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Droege, Sam
We went through the females. There's lots of similarity in the mails to the
females, but the males have a several different kinds of features that will be
new and I'm gonna switch now to sharing my screen and pull up a the most common
one celiac, says Sai.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, we'll talk about.
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Droege, Sam
Things in general, and then we'll get very specific. So I think most of you know
long abdomen relatively pointed the males have a cluster of projections at the
back end that I think there's usually depending on whether you count the
laterals somewhere between four, six and eight. They aren't used widely even
though they're gloriously obvious and when you vibe them.
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Droege, Sam
In other words, you look at it a new celiac axis, there's big differences in
how what this looks like, but they're difficult to describe accurately. So
they're not used a lot in separating. But you should always look at what's
going on back here to get a sense of what's happening. Another area that will
be looking at in concentrating on is these grooves. So here's T1T2T3. Both have
grooves which are.
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Droege, Sam
You can you can see by they're in the shadow right here, but we're going to
look at whether these grooves are continuous across the segments or they
disappear in the middle. Usually they're always present on the left, far
lateral sides, but the question usually is whether they're present on in T2 or
T3 across the middle.
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Droege, Sam
Additionally, in T2 and in one species on T3 there can be.
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Droege, Sam
No special features or there can be some sort of fovea, so phobia is just
refers to a recess that not a simple pit. OK, so there would be a pit and these
can be they're they're variable and useful in discriminating. So they're used
within the guides too, and they're usually located about.
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Droege, Sam
Between the center line and the lateral edges just to the I think just to the
north of the of the groove, I I could be wrong. Maybe it's just to the South.
We'll look at those a lot. Additionally, another feature that the males have
that will that the females do not that will talk about is not present here but
underneath the eye if we turn this to the side and we'll certainly will be
doing this, there is a.
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Droege, Sam
And you could call it a fovea. But there's a recess that's running from the
mandibles directly below the eye on the cheek, and inside that recess are of
variety of patterns of hair. So there could be none. There could be. It could
be lined with hair. There could be a simple strip of hair towards the top.
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Droege, Sam
The CI which I have on dock here is the simple strip on top kind of thing. Also
useful additionally leg color can be useful if if it's at one end or the other
if it's all red or it's all black, it's useful if it's in between you know.
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Droege, Sam
Then it's the kind of thing to skip. OK, now let's jump to the guy. So, Mike,
sadly at this point, does not have a.
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Droege, Sam
ID guide dichotomous ID guide for us. And so we're we're stuck with discover
life guides.
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Droege, Sam
So in Umm and you can always as usual use Mitchell and then there's a variety
of small revisions that can be tapped into, but within the discovery lifeland
what we have are.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Uh.
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Droege, Sam
So jumping back to our most common celiac axis in the East, here is Sai and Sai
and accidental, which we're gonna look at next key roughly out to the same. And
there's a difference in the groove pattern. So let's look at ohh. I should also
mention it's not on that first page, but there's a bunch of sternite issues
that are useful because the patterns and the sternites are also.
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Droege, Sam
I think very variable. So if you have a question regarding whether you're
looking at one species or two often that can be told. Sadly not in Celia.
Oxygen, oxygen, Tata and Sai, but often could be told by the architecture of
sternites four and five.
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Droege, Sam
So we can see into those recessed areas.
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Droege, Sam
So let's let's move to I'm going to try 90 here. Ooh, that's the wrong way.
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Droege, Sam
We're gonna go up to pound about 2500.
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Droege, Sam
Well, that's better. I think I'll go one more. For some reason it seems to be
working at a lower light level.
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Droege, Sam
When I maybe didn't have a light on, how about 800? OK, let's try that. So
going back.
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Droege, Sam
So zooming in.
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Droege, Sam
Quite far, so say I has fovea.
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Droege, Sam
In presentation.
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Droege, Sam
But they're small.
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Droege, Sam
Oops.
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Droege, Sam
For some reason, we seem to be going extra slow here in our pocasangre.
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Droege, Sam
Claire. Was there something in terms of refresh rate that maybe I clicked off,
I'm not sure. OK, we're gonna try and get some better view here, but here's the
fovea. It's difficult to see here because it's all dark, but this is an oblong
shapes or like size of a grain or shape of a grain of rice kind of thing. And
there's inside is darkness and no additional pitting like here, you'll see
other species have.
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Droege, Sam
About the same shade, little wider and pits inside of it. Let's see if I can
get a slightly better view of this going.
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Droege, Sam
And I'm going to.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
And I am not sure. I don't remember that being a setting that we've had to
change. But in my photo taking app there is so.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Alright.
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Droege, Sam
It just seems like, Umm, we're in a slow, refreshing rate here.
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Droege, Sam
Like I see how it just blurs.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah, I clicked the live, but it's something something else. OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
Sorry.
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Droege, Sam
We'll ignore it for now. Maybe at the end we'll play with it. OK, here's T1.
Here's the groove through T2 and I was incorrect in saying it was anterior, its
posterior to the groove. And here you can see pretty, pretty well the fovea. So
it's oblong. In that case, and you can't see any pits. Let's zoom in.
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Droege, Sam
And I need to shift it a little bit. There's the lovely actually sticking out.
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Droege, Sam
Projecting quite far and here is about as decent a shot as we're gonna get of
the phobia because it's a dark thing on a dark surface.
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Droege, Sam
I really don't like the fact that this is.
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Droege, Sam
Not letting me focus quickly.
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Droege, Sam
Interestingly, I can almost see some pits in there I think.
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Droege, Sam
So maybe we'll have to modify it, that it's not obviously visible because it
does look like if you actually peered into the depth, this is quite deep. There
is some pits in this particular one.
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Droege, Sam
Any case, we will contrast that and you'll see that. And this is a problem with
guides, right? You want it to be.
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Droege, Sam
The pristine. Yeah. So we'll, we'll look at that again, but there's the fovea.
OK. And so here's the two grooves. We're gonna back out. That are important in,
say I versus octo dentata and generally important to species. So this is
another one. That's a little tricky to see. I'm going to shift this so that
the.
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Droege, Sam
We're mostly concerned about what's going on in the central sections of the
specimen and what we will see is that in, say, IN T2, these pitted groove goes
all the way across and T3 though.
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Droege, Sam
This pitty groove sort of Peters out and becomes just a few sparse pits and you
really don't have a deep presence of that group, right? I'm going to shift the
specimen.
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Droege, Sam
So that hopefully.
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Droege, Sam
We are looking.
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Droege, Sam
In is a little bit problematic in that it is.
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Droege, Sam
Curving towards where we would want to see.
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Droege, Sam
Let's see what happens.
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Droege, Sam
OK, this might work.
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Droege, Sam
Tried to angle it so that the pin is not in the way yet we can see the middle.
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Droege, Sam
Of the specimen.
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Droege, Sam
Focus, please. Again an oddly slow refresh rate. Alright, orienting T1 is here.
This is the rim of T1.
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Droege, Sam
This is TT2. This is the rim of T2. Here's the groove running through here, and
you can see pits lining this whole way.
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Droege, Sam
Now T3 is the one that is the one that differentiates us between, say I and
octo dentata. You can see there's heavily pitted areas in a groove off to
either side and then it's sort of.
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Droege, Sam
Beads out there are, but the problem is is not like absolutely no pits and
absolutely flat. It's and comparison to what you'll see in Octave dentata this
is.
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Droege, Sam
Ohm relatively ungrooved a little bit difficult to see because there's No 3
dimensions here and there and this pitting a whole lot. Sparse, inactive then
tell you to this pitting. Run all the way across. I have spent so much time
looking for some alternative to that character and have as I'm sure others have
and have not found anything differently. In general, CIS, ubiquitous kind of
everywhere octadiene Tata cause I think it may be more associated with.
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Droege, Sam
Make a Kylie brevis so all the celiacs is I think are nest parasites Omega
Kylie.
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Droege, Sam
People can tell me if that is not the case.
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Droege, Sam
These uh nest parasites do like to.
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Droege, Sam
Jump to other groups periodically.
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Droege, Sam
So I'm going to now show you the side of the head.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
We're going to look for.
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Droege, Sam
The pocket under the head.
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Droege, Sam
In a little more magnification here.
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Droege, Sam
And should be going down to get it in focus.
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Droege, Sam
Keeps me at the other day emailed me and said, hey, you know, you guys take
such great pictures would be nice to have them.
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Droege, Sam
Instead of or, I took it to be no. Maybe we should consider having some of the
pictures up to that I can flip to, so not today.
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Droege, Sam
Dave Smith, but that was a great suggestion.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
So here I think I mentioned that these furry strips were at the top, but
they're actually, if you look at them from underneath, they look like they're
on the top, but they're actually.
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Droege, Sam
From the upright position on a a celiac axis male, it would be on the bottom of
this thing. So here is the eyeball edge of the eyeball is up there. This is the
bottom of the head down here. Here are the mandibles out in this direction. And
what you're looking for. And as Dave kepert.
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Droege, Sam
Is so much working on, just in general having a bunch of pictures of all these
different characters would be great.
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Droege, Sam
So we have things to do anyway.
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Droege, Sam
Now maybe that's it there too. OK, I'll have to look. I I took it as this. So
here's the hollow. It's there is almost no hairs in the middle of it. And then
I may be incorrect because I'm gonna have to spin this a little bit more as to
whether they strip of hairs. Is this down here which could be just simply
outside or that right there. So let's spin it some more.
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Droege, Sam
So that you have a better shot the interior.
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Droege, Sam
OK, we have a leg partially in the way.
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Droege, Sam
But.
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Droege, Sam
OK, it is at the top.
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Droege, Sam
We were looking at that was confusing the.
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Droege, Sam
The bottom here is that just for the edge of the thing so.
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Droege, Sam
I.
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Droege, Sam
Bottom of head. That's a leg in the way. Here's this hollowed out, large,
hollowed out area. Movia, if you will, I guess. And here's this, a strip of
hairs. And that's all that's in there. Everything else is bare. So that's
indicative of a set of species. And if I flip over to discover life guides and
you may want to do this while we are looking and explore some of these things
as you click on the guide you want here celiac's mail, they all do the same
thing.
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Droege, Sam
You click on menu. This opens up over here and you have this has button. So
I've already clicked it. But if you click the has button you get all the
questions associated with the guide and you can look at the scoring. So if we
go to the area of the facial fovea down here we look at.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, so we can click at has so it'll be. What you can know. Make it an English
thinking what has a.
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Droege, Sam
All this information which says we're looking at this hollow area and a brush
or short line of hair just inside the upper edge of depression.
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Droege, Sam
And we look at the and we when we click on that it shows everything that's been
scored for that. So we can see say I is in there and quite a few others are in
that same category and because we embrace ambiguity, we also for many of these
species might be scored for more than one of these characters. So you can get
some a little more clarity by clicking off has and putting on only.
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Droege, Sam
So now you'll have a list of only eight. In this case of species. Here's the
eight species that have this character and have not been scored for anything
else. So.
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Droege, Sam
What that?
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Droege, Sam
Would should say is that these are species are the most present. The clearest
case of this in this case this character, so you can say, say, is in there.
Occidentalis is also in there.
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Droege, Sam
I'm going to go back to the specimen now I'm anyway you. While we're talking
about these things, you can play around with the guide while I'm futzing with
the microscope and see what species might be involved.
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Droege, Sam
Part of just memorizing general patterns.
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Droege, Sam
Note the hair on the eyes. A good character for celiac axis, as if you need
more so.
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Droege, Sam
Now at this point I'm going to invert.
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Droege, Sam
The specimen.
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Droege, Sam
So we can take a quick look.
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Droege, Sam
And tour of its sternites.
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Droege, Sam
Which in the case of many species, because looking at sternites often is
problematic because it's upside down. So flipping a specimen upside down can be
tricky for people.
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Droege, Sam
And also.
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Droege, Sam
Umm I lost my train of thought. I was thinking of something else.
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Droege, Sam
The abdomens often can be curled over and things like that, so we tend to not
put.
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Droege, Sam
That information down, although in celiac axis.
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Droege, Sam
For whatever reason, they almost never curl their abdomen up, so usually you do
have a good view. It's just a little confusing as to what is going on here.
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Droege, Sam
S 12345, so four and five have stuff going on here and there's genitalia poking
out just to.
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Droege, Sam
Confuse or obscure some things, but we'll do a little bit of looking right now
because we'll come back to this when it's important for discriminating species.
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Droege, Sam
But at minimum this is a good place to look. If you're not sure if you have.
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Droege, Sam
The same or different species?
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Droege, Sam
Great. Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
It.
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Droege, Sam
Sure.
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Maffei, Clare J
Hey, Sam, I'm going to backtrack. We have a question in the chat. In what cases
would it make sense to use only as opposed to has? I suspect you would need to
have some knowledge about that amount of variation within the species.
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Droege, Sam
So I use only a lot of times if I want to pull a specimen that I think has a
good example of whatever the state of character is that's I'm asking about. So
if I want to take a picture of it or I wanna show someone, I'm gonna choose an
A species that is scored or only having that versus a species that is scored
for having.
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Droege, Sam
Having it so that's the has button, but it's also scored for some some of the
other categories.
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Droege, Sam
Which implies that maybe it's ambiguous.
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Droege, Sam
In other words, it sometimes has. It sometimes doesn't. Maybe it's difficult to
discern whether it does or doesn't so.
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Droege, Sam
That's why I that's what I use the only.
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Maffei, Clare J
Great.
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Droege, Sam
Doesn't make sense.
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Maffei, Clare J
Umm. Yep, they said thank you in the chat.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so in general, what we're looking at is in 1234, you have a strongly
sclerotized area and then a translucent extra area. I don't know what to call
these differences, but there's a translucent part and a sclerotized part,
usually very obvious to separate, and it's not visible here, but they're
similarly 2 sections. This is the genitalia. Ohh no, it's actually broken.
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Fred Morrison
Today.
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Fred Morrison
Is that?
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Droege, Sam
So you can see the specimen has curl up so bad example. We'll look at others,
but what's happening here? These both seem to be pretty clearly out curved, but
in many cases there can be a notch in the center. There can be something that's
greatly concave. One can be concave, the other can be out, you know, convex. So
that pattern can be used. Super useful.
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Droege, Sam
Anyway, bad example because the the bottom has been torn up here, so I I'm
gonna now show octadiene Tata.
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Droege, Sam
Which, because it seems to be associated with brevis and brevis, seems to be
associated with darias. Make Kylie brevis that is.
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Droege, Sam
With areas that are on the spectrum of the dry side of the spectrum.
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Droege, Sam
The Umm.
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Droege, Sam
We also see oxygen Toda more often in sand and gravel pits.
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Droege, Sam
Prairies, that kind of thing.
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Droege, Sam
And we also see it less often cause Revis is also seen less often.
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Droege, Sam
So it kind of fits together. There is a tendency for octo dentata, but it's not
100% for it to have more red in the legs. So that's like a hint. I'm not even
sure we mentioned that let's jump.
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Droege, Sam
To our.
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Droege, Sam
Has one and will look for. Here's a section on October and say I and let's see
what we see. Ohh this is.
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Droege, Sam
These two together. Here's Octo dentatus octadiene Tadas. Now. Sorry. There was
a ending change and I'm still using the old Lingo a lot of times. Forgive me.
So octane and tottus with a continuous and deep groove maintaining the same
depth all the way across. This is T3, so we really don't even mention the red
legs. And with a groove that shallows towards the center disappearing at the
very center. So literally.
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Droege, Sam
There's not much else to go on, but traditionally people have used the presence
of reddish, more reddish legs in oxygen tatus, but we don't mention it so.
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Droege, Sam
Probably.
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Droege, Sam
It's not mentioned because there's too many exceptions.
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Droege, Sam
Right. Let me center this.
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Droege, Sam
Bring the focus up again.
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Droege, Sam
OK. So we'll start at the high view. So you can see indeed this specimen has
redder legs and the other one. But like I said, there are exceptions, but this
could be a hint that maybe you should think on the octave dentatus side of
things.
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Droege, Sam
I think you might have been looking.
0:26:36.820 --> 0:26:40.30
Droege, Sam
At the tergites a bit.
0:26:41.60 --> 0:26:54.840
Droege, Sam
And what we're looking for are grooves, particularly on T3T2. Basically does
the same in both species, but that the groove is so T1, this is the edge of T1.
Here's the groove and T2.
0:26:55.540 --> 0:27:11.410
Droege, Sam
Edge of Tea 2 hears T3 and focuses the lateral side of T3 and as we get towards
the middle, I'm gonna put this in focus, but you can see that this through this
groove with pits really.
0:27:12.140 --> 0:27:34.430
Droege, Sam
Goes the entire way and is basically unchanged during that path, and in other
words, it doesn't become shallow or anything. Now it's in more or less in focus
there in the middle, and I think you know you can see there's really, it would
be hard to say that this central area is any different from this other area.
That's the difference and.
0:27:35.450 --> 0:27:42.830
Droege, Sam
You know, as in many of these kinds of things, you can just say if you're not
sure, octo dentatus slash say I.
0:27:46.150 --> 0:27:57.220
Droege, Sam
But if you look at enough of these, it's becomes pretty most of time pretty
obvious. We do have some specimens that are left as either or on there.
0:27:58.330 --> 0:28:1.100
Droege, Sam
OK. Any questions before we move to another group?
0:28:2.400 --> 0:28:4.110
Droege, Sam
We'll just go through species, I think.
0:28:4.660 --> 0:28:5.650
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, not so far.
0:28:6.450 --> 0:28:6.780
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:28:7.640 --> 0:28:11.60
Droege, Sam
Right. So but it's little tag back on.
0:28:21.170 --> 0:28:23.180
Droege, Sam
They had some Fish and Wildlife service people out.
0:28:23.580 --> 0:28:27.450
Droege, Sam
But last week, learning there characters so.
0:28:29.510 --> 0:28:31.540
Droege, Sam
This was part of that scene.
0:28:35.460 --> 0:28:38.30
Droege, Sam
Right. Let's start. We'll just do alphabetical.
0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:53.340
Droege, Sam
You'll have meals for everything, but I have a lot of meals, so we're gonna go
to alternata, which is actually this labeled. And the old way. And this tray is
alter, not Tuss now.
0:28:54.450 --> 0:28:59.780
Droege, Sam
It's relatively big and it is one of as we you were here.
0:29:0.420 --> 0:29:3.150
Droege, Sam
For the females, this is one of the doughnut species.
0:29:4.430 --> 0:29:5.130
Droege, Sam
So.
0:29:6.630 --> 0:29:9.70
Droege, Sam
We'll get it into the scope.
0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:15.170
Droege, Sam
You know what? I'm gonna take these two white. The contrast of the label is too
white.
0:29:18.460 --> 0:29:19.290
Droege, Sam
Get it in there.
0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:26.680
Droege, Sam
You can also look up on any of these species page, which would have the.
0:29:27.370 --> 0:29:27.820
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:29:30.410 --> 0:29:33.360
Droege, Sam
Specimen pictures that we have for each of these.
0:29:34.260 --> 0:29:35.690
Droege, Sam
Or perhaps a better look?
0:29:37.50 --> 0:29:39.320
Droege, Sam
Great. So here we are.
0:29:40.40 --> 0:29:40.610
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:29:41.290 --> 0:29:43.10
Maffei, Clare J
Then I didn't catch what species.
0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:45.100
Droege, Sam
Alternatus.
0:29:45.420 --> 0:29:45.870
Maffei, Clare J
Thank you.
0:29:55.420 --> 0:29:56.580
Droege, Sam
And.
0:29:57.610 --> 0:29:58.670
Droege, Sam
Alternatives and.
0:29:59.980 --> 0:30:4.330
Droege, Sam
Hunti and Texana all have this donut area.
0:30:5.210 --> 0:30:6.0
Droege, Sam
It's a.
0:30:7.70 --> 0:30:23.780
Droege, Sam
Not super obvious on this one, but the there's. These are swollen areas around
the central celli here. Let's see if I can get a different view of that. Let's
let's show the entire specimen, first of all.
0:30:25.950 --> 0:30:33.760
Droege, Sam
So if we look at this, you can see in this particular case that the central
grooves.
0:30:35.310 --> 0:30:41.660
Droege, Sam
If we were to keep this out completely, the central grooves are are disappear
in T2 and.
0:30:42.630 --> 0:30:46.460
Droege, Sam
TT3, uh or it looks like largely on T3 so.
0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:54.970
Droege, Sam
We uh no, this is T2. This is T3, but the the grooves in the center are pretty.
0:30:56.270 --> 0:30:57.450
Droege, Sam
Much gone.
0:31:0.840 --> 0:31:2.210
Droege, Sam
With that in focus.
0:31:8.430 --> 0:31:24.130
Droege, Sam
In those particular cases, Umm, I don't know if this species has fovea or not.
That could be fovea. There. We're gonna take a quick dive here because these
are rare species. They don't have memorized. And we'll go to.
0:31:26.30 --> 0:31:33.20
Droege, Sam
Are uh has area. We'll just do characters. Actually we need to redo this to get
everything on board.
0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:47.870
Droege, Sam
Nope, I need to clear off this is a problem like if you leave any check marks
then it messes up all your subsequent ones of using has. You can hit reset at
the top of that. So let's look at.
0:31:49.500 --> 0:31:52.950
Droege, Sam
Yeah, Celiac's and its characters.
0:31:53.630 --> 0:31:58.480
Droege, Sam
Really quickly here. So we get a sense so here S4.
0:31:59.80 --> 0:32:12.790
Droege, Sam
Umm. Characters and president, widely interrupted. So there you have the
disappearances of here. This is where we're gonna get into alternatives versus
Hunter, Hunter I and.
0:32:12.870 --> 0:32:22.210
Droege, Sam
Umm it is scored for both having short fur like hair in there or bear. So we'll
take a look at that.
0:32:23.40 --> 0:32:23.780
Droege, Sam
And.
0:32:23.860 --> 0:32:30.450
Droege, Sam
Umm, there are several other things like including having the skew, tell them
with hair down the middle.
0:32:31.220 --> 0:32:32.870
Droege, Sam
Umm so.
0:32:33.890 --> 0:32:36.840
Droege, Sam
Let's see here.
0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:47.680
Droege, Sam
We might. We'll come back to the I'll. I'll look at the the cheek area and then
we'll look at the difference between.
0:32:48.820 --> 0:32:55.340
Droege, Sam
Alternatives and I'll pull out Hunter I2 Hunter is not listed here because it's
just alternate is sorts of things.
0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:57.740
Droege, Sam
So.
0:32:59.110 --> 0:33:7.630
Droege, Sam
Let's look at the cheek, which is actually an ambiguous character over either
having nothing or some slight.
0:33:8.750 --> 0:33:9.890
Droege, Sam
Or covered in here.
0:33:10.930 --> 0:33:12.290
Droege, Sam
And see what that looks like.
0:33:13.190 --> 0:33:15.980
Droege, Sam
In this particular specimen, so it could have either.
0:33:17.150 --> 0:33:18.990
Droege, Sam
So my guess would be.
0:33:22.20 --> 0:33:26.790
Droege, Sam
If there's a little bit of hair in there, but you might mistake it for none.
0:33:28.910 --> 0:33:30.350
Droege, Sam
That's this thing is moving slowly.
0:33:38.330 --> 0:33:42.250
Droege, Sam
OK, so there's the head.
0:33:50.140 --> 0:33:52.240
Droege, Sam
And you don't see actually.
0:33:53.900 --> 0:34:21.320
Droege, Sam
You don't see much of anything, so it's scored for having none or lined with
hairs and not without and without a the upper line or strip of hair is up there
so you can see there's a few hairs in there and that's probably why it scored
for both because it could be interpreted either way, but it's certainly not
like the fovea on an endrina, which is covered in those kinds of hairs.
0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:34.650
Droege, Sam
OK, so now let's concentrate. And I think we are going to go to the head again,
probably for alternatives versus Hunter I, because we have the.
0:34:35.270 --> 0:34:36.480
Droege, Sam
Donut shaped.
0:34:37.570 --> 0:34:39.80
Droege, Sam
Swellings.
0:34:40.900 --> 0:34:43.790
Droege, Sam
On here. Oops, that's the base of the pen.
0:34:51.390 --> 0:34:52.50
Droege, Sam
To.
0:35:1.420 --> 0:35:4.450
Droege, Sam
Just feel like we got a lot of lag.
0:35:7.410 --> 0:35:8.710
Droege, Sam
So I overshoot.
0:35:12.700 --> 0:35:13.630
Droege, Sam
The.
0:35:16.450 --> 0:35:16.980
Droege, Sam
Focus.
0:35:17.670 --> 0:35:19.400
Droege, Sam
All right. So we're going to the.
0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:21.710
Droege, Sam
Middle acellus.
0:35:23.740 --> 0:35:24.470
Droege, Sam
And.
0:35:25.410 --> 0:35:29.70
Droege, Sam
There this area a little bit tricky to see here, but this is.
0:35:30.290 --> 0:35:38.560
Droege, Sam
Raised and on the east on the lateral sides, there's no pits and then going in
alignment with the.
0:35:40.720 --> 0:35:41.400
Droege, Sam
Uh.
0:35:43.0 --> 0:35:52.440
Droege, Sam
Longitudinal axis of the bee. You know there's pits going in through a small
depression to either side of these perens of raised.
0:35:56.110 --> 0:36:0.250
Droege, Sam
Umm. Spots. Let's see what the difference is.
0:36:1.110 --> 0:36:4.890
Droege, Sam
So this is only the alternative side of things. We could look at differences
here.
0:36:6.700 --> 0:36:10.500
Droege, Sam
And choose Alternatus and hunteri.
0:36:15.110 --> 0:36:18.480
Droege, Sam
So in looking at this.
0:36:19.580 --> 0:36:24.510
Droege, Sam
And it does show a bunch of differences, but it's really got both in there.
0:36:26.70 --> 0:36:48.850
Droege, Sam
And the other one hunter I scored for many more. Alright, so quite a bit of
information here. So there's pronotal Ridge produced and Pronal Ridge producer
today clearly extends above the surrounding hairs. That's similar to what the
females had hypotonia cavity will look at the angle to the inner walls.
0:36:49.890 --> 0:37:20.600
Droege, Sam
Umm scutellum, the slightly raised Karina at the rim, very similar to the
females type of thing and the median ocellus surrounded by a very slight
slightly raised area check, which is the area believe penetrated by pitting,
most often broken by lines of pits about 2 bits wide, extending from the
acellus through the interior. The interior edge. So if we go back that's that's
this line of pits here coming in.
0:37:20.700 --> 0:37:27.540
Droege, Sam
To this swollen area, I'm gonna up the main application so we can just look at
that a little bit more.
0:37:36.300 --> 0:37:44.690
Droege, Sam
These are uncommon, but they do seem to show up, at least in the Mid-Atlantic
pretty regularly. I think Mike gets them out in the Midwest too.
0:37:46.40 --> 0:37:57.240
Droege, Sam
So here's here's this raised area on either side, and here's the pits moving
in, particularly from, well, actually, from both sides into the interior now.
0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:3.190
Droege, Sam
If we take a look at the Roto Ridge which was mentioned there.
0:38:4.90 --> 0:38:5.300
Droege, Sam
Take a look at that.
0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:21.160
Droege, Sam
Yeah, and focus.
0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:27.650
Droege, Sam
And we're going to look over on this side over here because that's more clear.
The other side is being.
0:38:28.370 --> 0:38:31.740
Droege, Sam
Hidden by the pin and we're looking for.
0:38:33.0 --> 0:38:38.340
Droege, Sam
He edge the corner of the pronotum which?
0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:43.740
Droege, Sam
In this group often sticks up over the edge.
0:38:45.70 --> 0:38:45.940
Droege, Sam
Of the skewed them.
0:38:48.0 --> 0:38:48.600
Droege, Sam
Separate.
0:38:51.110 --> 0:38:53.230
Droege, Sam
Features but.
0:38:55.970 --> 0:38:56.910
Droege, Sam
Different groups.
0:38:57.590 --> 0:39:0.690
Droege, Sam
OK, so I actually don't see.
0:39:1.550 --> 0:39:3.370
Droege, Sam
It at all here.
0:39:5.320 --> 0:39:6.460
Droege, Sam
In this shot.
0:39:7.520 --> 0:39:9.300
Droege, Sam
Umm. Let's see what it says.
0:39:10.380 --> 0:39:21.340
Droege, Sam
Uh for Noodle Ridge produced, but does not rise in height above the
surrounding. Here is OK that makes sense. We can't see it. Hypostome Macavity
will turn that over and the interior walls.
0:39:22.350 --> 0:39:27.200
Droege, Sam
Forming the outline of corners by the edges roughly 90 degrees, perhaps
slightly less.
0:39:30.410 --> 0:39:31.150
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:39:33.900 --> 0:39:35.120
Droege, Sam
Take that over.
0:39:40.330 --> 0:39:43.760
Droege, Sam
Look this back down to low magnification.
0:39:45.890 --> 0:39:46.620
Droege, Sam
And move it.
0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.410
Droege, Sam
To the inside.
0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:52.470
Droege, Sam
Edge.
0:40:6.870 --> 0:40:8.100
Droege, Sam
Well, so slow.
0:40:10.410 --> 0:40:12.360
Droege, Sam
OK, the hypostome wall cavity.
0:40:13.550 --> 0:40:15.280
Droege, Sam
Is the location.
0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.330
Droege, Sam
Who this might be hard to see in this specimen.
0:40:24.780 --> 0:40:25.100
dave
Sorry.
0:40:25.850 --> 0:40:29.40
Droege, Sam
Is, so I'm gonna bring it up magnification wise.
0:40:31.820 --> 0:40:34.700
Droege, Sam
We can see the edge, but it's not great.
0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:37.690
Droege, Sam
Where the tongue lies.
0:40:38.920 --> 0:41:8.830
Droege, Sam
The slot under the head. So here's the cheeks. So this is that area actually is
a good shot of this. This largely bear with few scattered hairs. That's what
it's called for. And here's the bottom edge of the genus slightly carinate,
though that's not that useful. Goes to here. This is the tongue lying inside
the boundary of the hypostomus cavity. So the hypostomus cavity edge or Corina
is running.
0:41:8.930 --> 0:41:16.800
Droege, Sam
Up there and this is there's little tip coming out from there, but here's one.
And here's the other.
0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:19.750
Droege, Sam
Looks roughly 90 degrees there.
0:41:21.30 --> 0:41:23.740
Droege, Sam
Two interiors is roughly 9 degrees, perhaps less so.
0:41:24.790 --> 0:41:29.330
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Yeah, it says don't be distracted that the tip can be slightly
projecting.
0:41:29.980 --> 0:41:33.500
Droege, Sam
And the board of the book is slightly concave. OK.
0:41:34.570 --> 0:41:47.0
Droege, Sam
Hopefully we'll end the hunter. I will see a you know that a little more
clearly. I realize that this is not a great shot, but this is the angle. Let's
change the focus. We'll go down a little bit.
0:41:47.860 --> 0:41:49.630
Droege, Sam
And Umm.
0:41:53.190 --> 0:41:55.760
Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's it's messy and there.
0:41:57.70 --> 0:42:11.940
Droege, Sam
Can't really see, but that's that's the Geely of the tongue and very armored.
And here's here's the two edges like that. And then this is a this projecting
tip to the both. So hopefully in the next one we'll see better.
0:42:13.700 --> 0:42:14.280
Droege, Sam
Now.
0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:19.550
Droege, Sam
When we go to the scutellum, so we're looking at where the.
0:42:20.310 --> 0:42:21.480
Droege, Sam
Rear the skew. Tell them.
0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:36.210
Droege, Sam
Turns over and goes and presents a posterior face versus the dorsal face and
the posterior face is narrow. And that's where these oppressed hairs often lie.
I can't recall.
0:42:36.950 --> 0:42:38.600
Droege, Sam
In this particular species.
0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:43.680
Droege, Sam
What that pattern is will take a look if they're unless they're.
0:42:45.950 --> 0:42:49.820
Droege, Sam
Messed up and what we're looking for is.
0:42:50.0 --> 0:42:50.700
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:42:52.80 --> 0:43:0.990
Droege, Sam
Uh slightly raised Carina or Ridge, projecting upwards from the dorsal face, so
there should be if you were here last time, it would see have seen that.
0:43:1.690 --> 0:43:3.390
Droege, Sam
Tiny bit of.
0:43:6.580 --> 0:43:7.360
Droege, Sam
The edge.
0:43:9.160 --> 0:43:14.990
Droege, Sam
And we should tell him projecting upwards a little lip, but not across all
sections.
0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:17.30
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:43:18.930 --> 0:43:21.30
Droege, Sam
I think I have to go up now.
0:43:23.380 --> 0:43:25.160
Droege, Sam
And that looks good.
0:43:27.340 --> 0:43:29.610
Droege, Sam
Alright, we're closing in.
0:43:30.720 --> 0:43:42.30
Droege, Sam
And the crosshairs are pretty clear. So we're gonna go in here. What we're
looking for is to see if that area is slightly raised in the center and
upturned.
0:43:53.500 --> 0:44:2.350
Droege, Sam
Maybe I'll turn it sideways, but we're we're looking, so here's the scutellum
and the face of these scale skew. Tell him.
0:44:4.410 --> 0:44:10.830
Droege, Sam
Projects downward the meta node and is below that. They're the meta node and
oppressed hairs or across the whole section.
0:44:11.620 --> 0:44:18.430
Droege, Sam
This should be raised, but you know it's not the good a good angle to see if it
is raised. So let's look at it obliquely.
0:44:20.220 --> 0:44:21.150
Droege, Sam
And see.
0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:23.910
Droege, Sam
If we can.
0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:27.550
Droege, Sam
Find.
0:44:31.380 --> 0:44:31.850
Droege, Sam
Well.
0:44:33.300 --> 0:44:34.10
Droege, Sam
OK, there we go.
0:44:38.420 --> 0:44:39.850
Droege, Sam
I somehow feel like it's.
0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:44.590
Droege, Sam
Refreshing at some odd rate.
0:44:48.510 --> 0:44:50.480
Droege, Sam
OK, I have increased the.
0:44:53.890 --> 0:44:54.480
Droege, Sam
Power.
0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:0.870
Droege, Sam
In and.
0:45:3.670 --> 0:45:4.20
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:45:0.940 --> 0:45:4.830
Maffei, Clare J
If it's any relief, Sam, you only got like about 10 more minutes.
0:45:5.620 --> 0:45:11.330
Droege, Sam
OK, alright. Well, we'll do Hunter eye and then we'll have done a good.
0:45:12.500 --> 0:45:13.610
Droege, Sam
Introduction.
0:45:17.220 --> 0:45:17.650
Droege, Sam
All right.
0:45:18.310 --> 0:45:21.40
Droege, Sam
I don't know that this is showing well.
0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:28.200
Droege, Sam
So theoretically in this area this there should be a raised lip.
0:45:28.940 --> 0:45:34.330
Droege, Sam
Think because of time not going to spend a whole bunch more time looking at
that character.
0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:37.890
Droege, Sam
Uh, we saw it in the females pretty clearly.
0:45:38.670 --> 0:45:41.850
Droege, Sam
And I'm just not sure if it's not there or I'm just not.
0:45:42.530 --> 0:45:43.640
Droege, Sam
But showing it well.
0:45:44.720 --> 0:45:47.100
Droege, Sam
And we saw the ocelli. So let me just.
0:45:48.220 --> 0:45:52.570
Droege, Sam
The ocelli with the raised area to either side.
0:45:53.790 --> 0:45:55.650
Droege, Sam
So let me.
0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:58.350
Droege, Sam
What happened to my?
0:46:0.310 --> 0:46:1.40
Droege, Sam
My.
0:46:2.470 --> 0:46:5.460
Droege, Sam
Right. I have to find it later. Have lost.
0:46:6.440 --> 0:46:7.130
Droege, Sam
The.
0:46:8.950 --> 0:46:10.610
Droege, Sam
Tag for the specimen.
0:46:13.550 --> 0:46:17.760
Droege, Sam
Alright, let's pull is hopefully up. Clear it down on the ground.
0:46:24.230 --> 0:46:27.800
Droege, Sam
And yeah, if I don't put this back on.
0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:29.580
Droege, Sam
Later.
0:46:30.570 --> 0:46:31.470
Droege, Sam
We'll have problems.
0:46:32.270 --> 0:46:33.670
Droege, Sam
So hunter eye.
0:46:37.540 --> 0:46:38.0
Droege, Sam
Here.
0:46:39.650 --> 0:46:41.230
Droege, Sam
Got a meal picked out.
0:46:47.750 --> 0:47:2.320
Droege, Sam
So in looking at the hunter eye characters, so for Anodal Ridge is produced
that it extends above their hairs. We'll look at that first hypostome will
cavity the edges form and angle.
0:47:4.70 --> 0:47:5.990
Droege, Sam
Is less than 90 degrees.
0:47:7.230 --> 0:47:8.100
Droege, Sam
You tell them.
0:47:8.900 --> 0:47:11.450
Droege, Sam
Had the three couldn't see well in the other one.
0:47:12.270 --> 0:47:42.280
Droege, Sam
Without a raised Ridge, we won't bother to look at that because it lacks
something that we couldn't see and the other one. And then the middle of Celis
surrounded by a clearly raised area, not a slightly raised area, and dulled by
beating inner tube shaped almost never invaded by pits except by a penetrating
line of single pits from the acellus through the interior edge, and perhaps a
bigger one to the rear. OK, so first.
0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:48.540
Droege, Sam
Would be in this hunter I specimen to look for a clearly raised.
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Droege, Sam
Central.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Ronaldo.
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Droege, Sam
Angle.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
0:48:9.790 --> 0:48:13.670
Droege, Sam
Like we're spending the whole time just focusing this microscope.
0:48:16.990 --> 0:48:19.140
Droege, Sam
Emma said damn microscope, but I didn't.
0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:27.950
Maffei, Clare J
But then you did. So does it count?
0:48:29.0 --> 0:48:29.140
Droege, Sam
No.
0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:33.140
Maffei, Clare J
Great. This is a good rule.
0:48:34.300 --> 0:48:34.970
Droege, Sam
It is.
0:48:36.150 --> 0:48:36.560
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:48:37.620 --> 0:48:41.380
Droege, Sam
So in this case, what we're looking for is a pronotal.
0:48:43.50 --> 0:48:55.150
Droege, Sam
Ridge projecting or flange in this case is what it looks like projecting above
the surrounding hairs. There it is clearly up and above the edge where we
couldn't even find it last time.
0:48:56.420 --> 0:48:57.670
Droege, Sam
So I think that's.
0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:0.560
Droege, Sam
Relatively clear.
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Droege, Sam
Then we're looking at the hypothermal cavity.
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Droege, Sam
And we're looking for that, that cavity.
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Droege, Sam
Is.
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Droege, Sam
Ingles.
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Droege, Sam
Ignoring the projecting tip.
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Droege, Sam
Let's see if I get this in a good spot. Here is going to be less than 90
degrees.
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Droege, Sam
In its formation.
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Droege, Sam
Oops.
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Droege, Sam
Alright.
0:49:45.410 --> 0:49:48.340
Droege, Sam
We can see it, I think pretty well this time.
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Droege, Sam
Right. So.
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Droege, Sam
Here. So here's hypothermal cavity. There's the gallia or sheath. Or is that
the labrum? No, that's the labrum. There's a gallium below there. So that's
right, Megan. Kylie had these really long labor rooms. And. But this is the
edge on either side of the.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, the hypothermal cavity. And then here's the edge of the sheet coming in
here also and this species.
0:50:41.340 --> 0:50:43.350
Droege, Sam
Is a.
0:50:45.110 --> 0:50:51.980
Droege, Sam
The Hollow area depression, if you will, trying to get the darn thing and
focus.
0:50:52.950 --> 0:50:54.200
Droege, Sam
And in this case.
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Droege, Sam
There are not a lot of hairs, but there's a lot more hair here than there were
in alternatives. But again, it's is that and you could see the other heirs over
there too. Whether that's uniformly throughout or not. This is the angle and
we're not straight up and down.
0:51:15.510 --> 0:51:24.160
Droege, Sam
But you can see where the angle would go and you can see on this side this tip.
So they're tip that projects out a bit.
0:51:25.170 --> 0:51:31.420
Droege, Sam
Umm and I don't know what the other species of celiac's have for that tip, but
that might be an interesting area to explore.
0:51:32.540 --> 0:51:35.990
Droege, Sam
Like Mike's explorations of the.
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Droege, Sam
Umm antennal cleaning characters. So anyway this angle here is supposed to be
less than 90. It's a little bit difficult to tell from the saying because we're
not really looking at it in the the proper plane, but.
0:51:52.760 --> 0:52:6.280
Droege, Sam
And so I'm looking at it and go like, well, it could go either way for me from
slightly oblique to less than, but in theory we would be, which we have no time
to do, we're going get back and forth to.
0:52:7.590 --> 0:52:8.730
Droege, Sam
Get that angle.
0:52:10.230 --> 0:52:13.740
Droege, Sam
Documented and then the.
0:52:15.550 --> 0:52:19.780
Droege, Sam
In addition to the lack of the flange on the.
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Droege, Sam
You tell them.
0:52:24.0 --> 0:52:24.890
Droege, Sam
We have.
0:52:25.580 --> 0:52:36.340
Droege, Sam
He clearly raised donut shape area on top of the head instead of vaguely
raised. Alternatives have been more vague section and this was supposed to be
much.
0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:38.330
Droege, Sam
Clearer.
0:52:40.850 --> 0:52:42.450
Droege, Sam
In presentation.
0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.500
Droege, Sam
And certainly can see it.
0:52:47.210 --> 0:52:55.820
Droege, Sam
Better here, here's these two Umm, you know this raised area around and there
should be a single line not as wide of a line of pitting.
0:52:56.530 --> 0:52:57.620
Droege, Sam
Invading.
0:53:0.40 --> 0:53:1.10
Droege, Sam
That area.
0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:13.150
Droege, Sam
Easy to overshoot.
0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:16.750
Droege, Sam
Some here there.
0:53:18.250 --> 0:53:20.910
Droege, Sam
But you know, I'm gonna bring it up a notch here.
0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:33.130
Droege, Sam
But you can see the the raised areas is clearer than and the other one and
there is.
0:53:34.670 --> 0:53:53.420
Droege, Sam
Supposed to be just a single line coming in from here. It's hard to tell what
the hair, but it seems to present, at least in this specimen, as much narrower
gap with pits going into the center and then something is going on back there.
I'm not sure, but also coming in from the rear.
0:53:54.840 --> 0:54:19.480
Droege, Sam
So those would be the main features between 2 tricky to ID things since we
don't have a whole lot more time, I'm not going to dive into some of the other
groups. This is where the raised area which in theory this does not have a
raised area would go since we have this specimen on deck.
0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:23.350
Droege, Sam
Going to shift to look at the.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:54:25.770 --> 0:54:31.530
Droege, Sam
The abdomen and the tergites. And then we'll look at the sternites and we will
call it done.
0:54:32.670 --> 0:54:37.970
Droege, Sam
But we can also take questions as we go.
0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:44.10
Maffei, Clare J
There's no questions in the chat right now.
0:54:45.180 --> 0:54:46.140
Droege, Sam
There are or are not.
0:54:47.150 --> 0:54:47.590
Maffei, Clare J
Nope.
0:54:48.510 --> 0:54:48.840
Droege, Sam
Nope.
0:54:49.720 --> 0:54:50.990
Droege, Sam
Yeah, they're stunned.
0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:52.510
Droege, Sam
By.
0:54:53.240 --> 0:55:23.470
Droege, Sam
The information here, so I'm I'm pretty sure that in the guide it said there
were no phobia here and you see that we have this fairly uniform pitted area.
This is where the fovea would be. I don't see anything. I see less ruggedness
and general pits further apart. This is just the vibe of this particular group,
T1T2. Here's the lateral groove. This is very nicely seen here. Disappears. So
there is no groove.
0:55:23.550 --> 0:55:26.130
Droege, Sam
With the middle there and.
0:55:27.500 --> 0:55:31.960
Droege, Sam
It's a little bit ambiguous here with T3.
0:55:32.700 --> 0:55:33.330
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:55:34.350 --> 0:55:34.840
Droege, Sam
But.
0:55:35.930 --> 0:55:36.880
Droege, Sam
And believe OK.
0:55:37.610 --> 0:55:44.640
Droege, Sam
T1 there's a RAM, there's a RAM. That's the rim of T3. It looks like again,
there's nothing going on in the center there either.
0:55:46.250 --> 0:55:48.620
Droege, Sam
So there's a good case of.
0:55:51.390 --> 0:55:53.490
Droege, Sam
It being absent, if we look at.
0:55:54.170 --> 0:55:56.740
Droege, Sam
The rear end, which has.
0:55:57.830 --> 0:56:3.170
Droege, Sam
No explained characters. We can kind of see that the for example.
0:56:4.210 --> 0:56:16.640
Droege, Sam
And say I inacted entada all these other additional points were well recessed
from the tip, and they're here. They're kind of all close together. So it would
be another situation where simply looking at.
0:56:18.470 --> 0:56:19.570
Droege, Sam
The differences?
0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:26.270
Droege, Sam
Within your collection would would tell you. Ohh my gosh, these cannot be the
same species.
0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:38.510
Droege, Sam
Which is basically what taxonomists do when they're trying to figure out
whether they have a new species or not. They're comparing directly to its
closest members.
0:56:39.310 --> 0:56:41.200
Droege, Sam
Trying to look for.
0:56:42.20 --> 0:56:49.470
Droege, Sam
I think in general I always look for two different things because one different
thing might just be some kind of.
0:56:50.240 --> 0:56:51.110
Droege, Sam
Sport.
0:56:52.620 --> 0:56:53.980
Droege, Sam
Now we're looking at sternites.
0:56:55.550 --> 0:56:57.680
Droege, Sam
Uh, that wasn't used in this particular.
0:56:59.380 --> 0:57:3.970
Droege, Sam
Characters, but if you recall.
0:57:5.650 --> 0:57:8.540
Droege, Sam
We had torn off stir nights in the last one.
0:57:10.300 --> 0:57:17.830
Droege, Sam
So here's the genitalia picking out. Here's the architecture of the back end.
This should be.
0:57:18.470 --> 0:57:19.50
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:57:19.860 --> 0:57:36.230
Droege, Sam
Yes, 65 and four. So if we look so these two, four and five have this
interesting stuff that are useful. So if we go in a little bit more, we can
kind of see on F5.
0:57:37.750 --> 0:57:55.380
Droege, Sam
Umm, so here's the one rim, and then there's this one rim. And then there's
these are called double rims. I think in the celiac axis parlance. And then
there's a second one here that's just peeking out. And it's, I think, a little
bit hard to see, but I think you might be able to.
0:57:56.580 --> 0:58:3.620
Droege, Sam
Have a notion that that's concave or notched to the tip. Now if we move.
0:58:5.240 --> 0:58:6.150
Droege, Sam
To.
0:58:8.250 --> 0:58:9.280
Droege, Sam
Carefully move.
0:58:11.220 --> 0:58:13.930
Droege, Sam
To ask for.
0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:20.320
Droege, Sam
Umm so there.
0:58:21.290 --> 0:58:25.30
Droege, Sam
Theoretically, is the notched area of the two.
0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:27.410
Droege, Sam
Is it notched?
0:58:28.410 --> 0:58:30.840
Droege, Sam
From I looking at OK, let me back off one second.
0:58:33.650 --> 0:58:53.540
Droege, Sam
Maybe it's not nuts. I'd have to look at this more and here you have. Here's
the translucent rim. It seems to be convex the whole way. And as is the
secondary one, so not greatly illuminating in terms of differences, but you'll
see other ones that have a lot going on.
0:58:54.460 --> 0:58:58.110
Droege, Sam
So I think, Claire, you're you're saying we're probably out of time.
0:59:2.850 --> 0:59:3.170
Droege, Sam
You can.
0:58:58.650 --> 0:59:11.790
Maffei, Clare J
Yep, we're at 2:01, so I'm gonna pull the hook, but I did. I wanted to say
another thing that I missed saying in at the beginning. I'm trying to go back
through now.
0:59:13.10 --> 0:59:23.400
Maffei, Clare J
Both transcripts that are auto generated by teams but also going through past
transcripts and writing those through a program to get some.
0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:29.30
Maffei, Clare J
Get get them. So if anybody has been keeping great notes and.
0:59:30.150 --> 0:59:45.50
Maffei, Clare J
Wants to help me screen those for species names. I would super appreciate it,
or if you have interns or something like that. So just let me know so that we
can improve this for all of us.
0:59:46.520 --> 0:59:46.970
Droege, Sam
Great.
0:59:46.260 --> 0:59:48.620
Maffei, Clare J
And I'm going to end the recording now and.
0:59:49.650 --> 0:59:50.340
Maffei, Clare J
Log us out.
0:59:51.510 --> 1:0:3.690
Droege, Sam
So clear, I would say, are those transcripts, something that the web is is
scraping and indexing. In other words, you would want.
1:0:4.470 --> 1:0:17.970
Droege, Sam
That to happen so that someone says Ohh I'm interested in celiac is Hunter eye and
identification and it would say ohh well hey, someone talked about Celiac's
Hunter eye on this obscure website.
1:0:19.510 --> 1:0:19.740
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:0:24.220 --> 1:0:24.650
Droege, Sam
That's.
1:0:27.710 --> 1:0:28.250
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
1:0:29.340 --> 1:0:30.890
Droege, Sam
Yeah, and findable.
1:0:28.970 --> 1:0:35.990
Maffei, Clare J
Umm and plus, those are all supposed to there already, so that's the short
answer, but I'm gonna go now.
1:0:36.800 --> 1:0:39.190
Droege, Sam
OK, alright, alright.
1:0:38.120 --> 1:0:41.10
Maffei, Clare J
OK, cool. Thank you everybody.
1:0:42.760 --> 1:0:43.540
Maffei, Clare J
The see you next week.
1:0:44.710 --> 1:0:45.700
Droege, Sam
OK. Thanks.
1:0:47.20 --> 1:0:53.930
Droege, Sam
All right. Any other questions before I dive off, you can unmute. I don't have
been looking at chats at all.
1:0:58.590 --> 1:0:59.310
Droege, Sam
Right.
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Droege, Sam
22.
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Droege, Sam
Right.