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Maffei, Clare J
Start recording and we're just going to pick up where we left off a couple
weeks ago.
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Maffei, Clare J
So with Celia axis, right?
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Droege, Sam
Yep.
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Maffei, Clare J
All right. And I don't think that we are working through a guide. So we're just
going to be bouncing back and forth with discover life, right?
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Maffei, Clare J
Thank you.
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Droege, Sam
Great. Yeah. We'll work on species and show show characters and discover life
on that. Mike doesn't have any celiac axis, male or female guides at this
point, although we look forward to that in some point.
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Droege, Sam
So we we started down the celiac axis row last week. They tend to be uncommon
be except for celiac's Sai and we covered that in the female form. We're still
got some more to cover in female and I've got on deck celiac's modestus which
out here shows up pretty regularly and I'm going to.
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Droege, Sam
To to go to our share now.
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Droege, Sam
And share screen.
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Droege, Sam
And we will jump on. Is that up there clear?
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Droege, Sam
You see the specimen on deck.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, we've got it.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so just a an A general way. A lot of these celiac axis present very
differently. You can look at the clip PIAS and you can look at the vibe of the
of the abdomen shape overall and the thorax shape. And it may not be in a guide
because it's difficult to describe, but a lot of times you can you can eyeball
them apart. So in Modestus a couple things we can see at this elevation, one
is.
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Droege, Sam
At the T1 through three is relatively smooth. We'll zoom in on there and you'll
see that the the line, the sulcus, if you will, or the troth that runs across a
lot of these, is incomplete. It becomes flattened and through disappears in the
middle. And then we look at the shape here of the rear end. You can see how.
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Droege, Sam
Well, you can't see well, but we're gonna zoom in again. But there's hairs on
the outside edge. But on the inside, the the integument and and we're looking
here at the it's not clearly defined here, but we're looking primarily at the
sternite as six rather than T6T6 ends about there. Well, we'll zoom in to see
this, but you can see this proof of hair and it's dark. Those are dark hairs
that stick out. And that's pretty. That's a good indicator.
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Droege, Sam
That you're in this particular group that you're looking at as is the shape of
the sort of triangular shape or broadly rounded triangle here, and we'll talk
about that in a second. So let's zoom in first, in terms of character, is this
this piece is, by the way, has a really good character that I believe is
unique, at least to eastern species, of which Mike were here to, to validate
that. But if anyone else knows has any knowledge, and we're gonna look at a
knob that occurs here on.
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Droege, Sam
Key sticks, not S6, in a minute. So here let's zoom in and take a look at the
T2 and T3 area and get a sense of.
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Droege, Sam
What's going on in terms of sculpturing and the lack of any?
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Droege, Sam
See this.
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Droege, Sam
Clunky of the trough, which is is still there, but it's on the far lateral side
to see if I can go up a little bit more and define that maybe with the light so
normal under most species have some kind of through that starts here sulk as if
you will and then runs across the entire segment. The wing is blocking the
midpoint, but it doesn't matter because there is nothing here in the middle as
you can see kind of just from the light I'm gonna.
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Droege, Sam
Move the light around a little bit and you can see not super well the signs of
a lateral through in there right in here. And then it disappears here. So that
eliminates a bunch of different species. I believe that in this PC's the
appressed hairs of the backside of the meta nodum and the scutellum, which will
flip over to take a look our absent. So it hasn't have any there so that.
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Droege, Sam
That again helps define this species within the parameters of the guide.
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Droege, Sam
We look now at the T6.
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Droege, Sam
Tea.
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Droege, Sam
Uh T6S6 area. So this is T6. This is S6. I don't like this white background, so
I'm going to actually come in and take off the.
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Droege, Sam
Tags so that hopefully we get a little more contrast.
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Droege, Sam
The dark area.
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Maffei, Clare J
Sam, did you say you're doing modestus or molestus?
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Maffei, Clare J
As I thought, thank you.
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Droege, Sam
Modest us with the deed. Yeah, we'll we're gonna jump into milestones here in a
second.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, so we're back again. Hopefully the darker background will better
define.
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Droege, Sam
The integument here a little bit.
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Droege, Sam
So.
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Droege, Sam
We're going to look at it from the side, which will be much more apparent. So
here's T6. That's the edge. You can't see the knob. That's the our our key
character there. This is out of focus, but this is S6 and you can see that the
outline of the integument, not the hair, is the integument is broadly shaped
there. There is a bump at the end. Interestingly, we'll turn it over when you
look at it from the other side, this apparent bump on the tip is.
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Droege, Sam
Absent and I'm gonna flip to the guide and you can see here.
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Droege, Sam
That when we look at that character.
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Droege, Sam
Here you have a whole series of a possible choices, and this helps. This is
right at the top, usually in the guide. I think we're in the has section now
for looking at things. This really separates out big chunks of the celiacs this
world. And but the reality is, is that underneath it looks like this simple
smooth one. And from on top, which we had, you could see that there a tip on
there or not in fact.
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Droege, Sam
When I looked at it this morning, I thought, well, are they scored for both?
And so it turns out it was scored for this, which from underneath is the
appropriate one from on top. This was the appropriate one and it was not scored
for that. And this is just to show you briefly. So to make changes in the
Discover life guy, I can do that right away. I get a pin number which you have
to have permission to get and then you add it in and now you're active and now
you can see over here on this side.
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Droege, Sam
And active screen for making changes. Just to give you some background. So I I
have now scored it for this one as well as that one and that's why we're always
looking for feedback may not happen right away, but we can make changes right
away and this is the nice thing is that your you always using the most up to
date guide that we make up to date shall we say. So there's a bunch of there's
a long list of things to do and we always are recruiting people.
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Droege, Sam
Like.
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Droege, Sam
Steve Capper, David Kappert to help us and others are doing that too. So back
to modestos. So it's scored for both of those depending on which view you're
looking at. And here's the.
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Droege, Sam
I'm.
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Droege, Sam
Area that we're going to now look at from the side.
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Droege, Sam
To take a look at the the character that I think is is unique enough that only
modestus has it.
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Droege, Sam
Certainly in the combination with these other characters that we just spoke
about, which are on the front page of the Discover Life guides as important
things.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, rocks right out. It's not a character that's has its own character of
having this or not having this, you have to go to the modestus.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, character whoops, I just lost this.
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Droege, Sam
You saw it for a second.
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Maffei, Clare J
10 points out that Gelenius also has an upturn T.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, which does?
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Maffei, Clare J
But it's from the West.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh OK is it closely related?
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Maffei, Clare J
I'll let you know and Tim tells us.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
All right. So, out West, things are different and we encourage people to make
Western guides and to expand these eastern ones that election some already
expanded. So here there's this lovely little unique upturned tip. And I'm gonna
ask Sydney to.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, who's making that noise exactly? 7 probably. OK, I bet it might be
disturbing. Maybe not. Claire, is Sidney disturbing everyone with her noise?
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Maffei, Clare J
I didn't catch it.
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Droege, Sam
So anyway, that lovely little knob is very distinct when you see that in the
East, as far as we know, if it's if it isn't, it's a very uncommon species that
we just don't see enough of to see that.
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Droege, Sam
Uh. And so I'm going to flip this over so you can see that from the underside,
which is often where you look for the characters of the.
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Droege, Sam
Of S6.
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Droege, Sam
Uh from the underside.
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Droege, Sam
It has.
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Droege, Sam
Magically disappeared. That tip that you saw before, and now it is simply
rounded out triangular shape. Normally that's how you look at it, cause it's
easier to see S6 from underneath, but if you look from above, this has a point
on it. So we now have supported it for both. OK so.
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Droege, Sam
To finish this species up, we'll take a quick look at the absence of oppressed
hairs. I believe it's absence.
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Droege, Sam
Umm celiac's, I don't look at them every day so.
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Droege, Sam
Knowing.
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Droege, Sam
Everything memorized is little tricky, but I believe this is one that's absent.
That's a terrible view of it, so let's see if we can modify this.
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Droege, Sam
So that the wings are not in the way.
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Droege, Sam
OK, this might work.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, So what we're looking for is a pressed hairs or in this case, the lack
of a pressed hairs on the back.
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Droege, Sam
Of the meta Notum and the.
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Droege, Sam
Back in the scutellum, which are sort of vertical pieces. OK, so I would say it
looks like there is there are oppressed hairs, it's a little bit tricky to tell
here where the boundary is, if that's the.
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Droege, Sam
Skew Tellem edge, or that's the meta notum edge, but that's what you would be
looking for I believe. Or is this the podium? So I think this is the metamodel.
Let's take a look at the guide and see how it scores. So what we're looking for
is.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, who are X? And we're looking at the meta Nodum presence only or dominantly
of these oppressed hairs in the center, and let's see what shows up here,
whether and modestos does. And so that, I believe, means that the scutellum hat
is absent of these hairs.
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Droege, Sam
Click that off.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, no, actually it does not show.
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Droege, Sam
That it scored for absent.
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Droege, Sam
So must be scored for present. We're not scored at all.
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Droege, Sam
Can't believe it's not scored at all.
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Droege, Sam
Because it looks like to me and looking at this that we only have those
oppressed hairs on the meta notum.
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Droege, Sam
But I'll look at other specimens. We won't belabor that point here today.
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Droege, Sam
But if you find those kinds of anomalies like that, just let us know so we can
work it out.
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Droege, Sam
OK, now I'm gonna go to.
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Droege, Sam
Get find my pair of tags here so that doesn't get.
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Droege, Sam
Lost and go to a pair.
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Droege, Sam
To actually portray and celiac's molestus that are very very similar.
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Droege, Sam
Might have one good feature that tells them apart.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I've got my specimen box here now.
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Droege, Sam
Also show how.
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Droege, Sam
In a way that, oh, good, this is from the side.
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Droege, Sam
That the little teeth are visible. Sometimes you have to look very closely for
the little teeth. So when I'm talking about is and this should be visible from
above, you can see how far out and how much more pointy this is.
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Droege, Sam
Then the previous one.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
And I think it'll be easier to see from below, but we think we can barely see
what I'm talking about. So in this character on the guide.
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Droege, Sam
Go back to the top here. We have sort of. Basically, does it come to a point
like this or does it come to? Usually a sharper point maybe below this up and
there's these small teeth or notches. So this is where a illustration like that
comes in handy because they are small. So what we're looking at here is T6
projecting much more out than we saw in modestus. So this is modestus. Here's
the central Ridge. Easier to see.
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Droege, Sam
And what we're looking for is these tiny teeth, and I believe that's the tiny
teeth. Tiny tooth right there. You can see how tiny these things are. We'll see
what happens when we zoom in and then maybe we'll take a look from underneath.
So that's T6 right there. We're gonna go zoom in to.
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Droege, Sam
S6.
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Droege, Sam
And that is the tooth right there. So you see how?
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Droege, Sam
One has to I'm going to flip it over and see if we see a better from
underneath.
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Droege, Sam
Take the tag off.
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Droege, Sam
See how.
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Droege, Sam
This needs to be.
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Droege, Sam
So this should be from underneath.
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Droege, Sam
We're not getting, I think as much of a.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
So the tooth is there right there. You can see that it notched out. We got a
little bit of a darkness there. We can see it's a little bit see, but it is
just a small tooth and it's it is certainly present but not.
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Droege, Sam
In your pace, so to speak. OK, so there's our tooth. That narrows it down to a
set of species. There's other characters.
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Droege, Sam
On.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, this species that help narrow it down. I'm gonna look on the.
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Droege, Sam
Right here and it seems to have.
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Droege, Sam
In this huge Tellem and the metamodel Maria no abreast hairs whatsoever.
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Droege, Sam
Double check that now I'm second guessing my scoring of that pattern, but if we
look now.
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Droege, Sam
Setting up the specimen at the difference, so a lot of the characters will come
out pretty similar and will for Porter A and molestus will come out to be very
closely almost exactly the same. And there's a character here.
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Droege, Sam
No, I'm just gonna look. You're very quickly as to whether has. Oops, not that
one.
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Droege, Sam
Has absent.
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Droege, Sam
So Puerto Rican milestones, probably both should be, as Porter is absent and
absent there.
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Droege, Sam
Doing guide work while talking to you guys and they're too. So I think we are
scored correctly now.
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Droege, Sam
Now if we go to Las Ohh there's a character that is.
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Droege, Sam
Milestones and Porter ache. So in Ghana, in the guides, we always try to have
the alphabetically younger.
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Droege, Sam
Whipped to the screen now but.
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Droege, Sam
Interestingly.
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Droege, Sam
Sometimes it's hard to see if the specimen.
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Droege, Sam
Is a little, shall we say, goopy. And the what goofiness will do is it will
disguise hairs. It will make them less white, less visible. And so if you get a
really goofy specimens, you may struggle with whether these hairs are there or
not. You don't think this specimen is goopy, but you'll see it's not. So there
is a big fiber in the way. See if we can roll this higher so you can ignore
that.
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Droege, Sam
Favored to some example, so this fiber is obviously a artifact of.
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Droege, Sam
The dirtiness of the space. You can see dirt there, but here's T6. Here's S6
and here below the fiber.
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Droege, Sam
See, we got one more level is are a bunch of hairs.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
If it has the hairs, it's pottery and if it doesn't have the hairs, it's
westhus and I believe of the two.
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Droege, Sam
Orderly has a more southerly distribution and distributions.
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Droege, Sam
Are incomplete to some extent on something like discover life and gbif.
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Droege, Sam
Umm and.
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Droege, Sam
Working now on the bees of Maryland and looking at range wide things, I
realized that discover life usually is a little bit more advanced.
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Droege, Sam
But.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, they are often.
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Droege, Sam
Very helpful in discerning whether you have one species or another, as are, of
course, museum specimens. So I'm gonna put away portray and I'm gonna pick up
molestus, and we're gonna go to the same. It should look nearly identical on
all the other features. And this was really the only thing that we came up with
that separated these two. And I believe it was in the literature also,
Mitchell, I think mentioned it was.
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Droege, Sam
A specialist on Meg, Kylie and it may have been even his student Baker.
0:20:55.930 --> 0:20:57.210
Droege, Sam
Who published on?
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Droege, Sam
A series of, or one revision on a group of celiac axis who found this character
and good for them for spending all the time looking all over the place for
these differences. If we look at this one.
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Droege, Sam
So you can legalize this better.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Alright.
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Droege, Sam
Here we are T6S6 tilting down. There's a notch right there. Same thing. Very
difficult to see. Little tiny notch. And then this area here has, you know, you
could see this has hairs, but it doesn't have that furry patch. Let's call it
back there that.
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Droege, Sam
No portray did so. This is the key for molestus. We'll take a quick look here.
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Droege, Sam
To see what the.
0:22:7.310 --> 0:22:15.900
Droege, Sam
Uh, maps are and see if I'm there is explanatory help there. So we type into
the mapper.
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Droege, Sam
Order A and.
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Droege, Sam
Note that some of these celiac's names have changed recently.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Uh.
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Droege, Sam
Records throughout there and they tend to be a bit more northern, perhaps not
as much of a help, but certainly it's good to know that one is more common in
the other. So when you're making your determination of sure lean gonna lean in
One Direction.
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Droege, Sam
OK so.
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Droege, Sam
Go back now.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
Move on to a different species group. Let's see. I'm gonna go back to here and
put these away and pick up another one.
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Droege, Sam
People do donut hit next.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:23:31.450 --> 0:23:35.320
Droege, Sam
Let's see. You believe it is also.
0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:51.850
Droege, Sam
But they're not. As our and commander alternatives and examine Texanus, I only
have texanus rather.
0:23:53.10 --> 0:23:56.500
Droege, Sam
I believe I only have that in the.
0:23:59.950 --> 0:24:15.0
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I only have a male of techniques, so we don't have that, which Mike,
we're here because we and I have talked about this bit of a tricky group. So
the it's not German and German has the spike, it's not dry, I say germanna.
0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:16.590
Droege, Sam
Hunter eye.
0:24:23.510 --> 0:24:27.80
Droege, Sam
As you'll see, because Oops, I didn't put this one away.
0:24:28.360 --> 0:24:30.350
Droege, Sam
So that was our molestus 1.
0:24:37.630 --> 0:24:43.70
Droege, Sam
You'll see as a group they stand out because there's a big swelling, which I
call the donut.
0:24:43.810 --> 0:24:44.970
Droege, Sam
On their head.
0:24:45.650 --> 0:24:48.690
Droege, Sam
Around surrounding the middle acellus.
0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:53.800
Droege, Sam
Pretty much completely surrounding it. So we're going to go.
0:24:54.670 --> 0:24:56.100
Droege, Sam
Right into there.
0:24:57.950 --> 0:25:8.440
Droege, Sam
There's other features too that would key out that would get you closer, but in
at some point you're gonna have to wrestle with the differences here. And if
you see these Donuts, you will.
0:25:9.970 --> 0:25:14.920
Droege, Sam
Be right there. So what am I doing? I'm going to the guide.
0:25:16.50 --> 0:25:18.80
Droege, Sam
And we're going to go.
0:25:18.710 --> 0:25:20.530
Droege, Sam
Ah, look at the.
0:25:22.340 --> 0:25:25.310
Droege, Sam
Alternatives versus Hunter I OK so.
0:25:33.580 --> 0:25:34.420
Droege, Sam
And.
0:25:36.500 --> 0:25:39.130
Droege, Sam
It would be in here. We'll take it down a notch.
0:25:41.100 --> 0:25:41.690
Droege, Sam
And.
0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:48.640
Droege, Sam
So there it's a pretty obvious.
0:25:49.880 --> 0:26:4.840
Droege, Sam
Feature. So even from up here, first of all the donut part, the swollen part
around the middle of scelus is usually got relatively few pits associated with
it. So you can see this swelling here. We might change the.
0:26:17.780 --> 0:26:24.550
Droege, Sam
What I isn't necessarily a truly donut shape because it doesn't continue all
the way around.
0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.70
Maffei, Clare J
Sam, something happened. There we go.
0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.450
Maffei, Clare J
And which one did you actually pull up on deck of those two?
0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:34.650
Droege, Sam
This is hunter, right?
0:26:39.290 --> 0:26:40.220
Droege, Sam
OK so.
0:26:41.70 --> 0:26:45.90
Droege, Sam
It's swollen all the way around and these different parts here.
0:26:46.160 --> 0:27:17.590
Droege, Sam
Are the most, and there's where these pits come through, are slightly lower in
elevation, so let's go to that to refresh myself because I have to kind of
struggle through this too. If we go to the, how do you separate alternatus from
hunt dry and texana has a texanus is a little bit different too, but not in
this pair. So let's read this thorax actually projecting relatively long about
1/3 of length.
0:27:17.690 --> 0:27:22.500
Droege, Sam
And then, ohhh suture between actually in skewed and we can look at that.
0:27:25.60 --> 0:27:48.170
Droege, Sam
Uh, so the free tip end is relatively long cut that compared to the part that's
attached to this edge of the scutellum then we're looking at the thorax
pronotal Ridge more produce such that it extends above the surrounding here. So
we can look for that skew Tellem boundary between the dorsal and the narrow
posterior face.
0:27:49.450 --> 0:28:19.460
Droege, Sam
So that's the basically where it falls off the Cliff. So the like I mentioned
before and we saw when we were looking for the appressed hairs, the scutellum
has a very flat edge that's at almost at right angles to the dorsal part and is
facing to the rear of the bee and it says that the medial forth flat without
any raise or projecting ridges or boundaries abdomen T6 pits.
0:28:19.990 --> 0:28:29.770
Droege, Sam
Are larger. OK, so I think it's in the mail that we deal with the area around
the aselli. This is the.
0:28:41.790 --> 0:28:43.980
Droege, Sam
The Western group species.
0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:58.30
Droege, Sam
So I believe I don't think there's any east of the Appalachians. So now let's
go and take a look at some of these things. So there was a lot of talk about
what's going on.
0:29:9.700 --> 0:29:33.610
Droege, Sam
That they were speaking about is that this is a good angle to inspect. That is
that the. So here's the skew dum. Here's the axle to either side projecting
out. And then here's the edge of the scutellum and that the edge of the system
really does not have any raised area or a lip or a strong lip like older not as
has.
0:29:34.450 --> 0:29:40.180
Droege, Sam
And, Umm, the I think it mentioned I don't recall looking at this very much
that the.
0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:55.570
Droege, Sam
Umm, we actually, which are these triangular pieces here project off of the
scutellum by about 1/3 of the total length of the actually, so they're free of
the.
0:29:57.170 --> 0:30:9.550
Droege, Sam
Of the suture line for that one, I think we'll turn the specimen at some point
to get a better view on that. This is a little bit better here. So here's the
actually you can see the suture lines there.
0:30:11.60 --> 0:30:31.340
Droege, Sam
And the tip, and apparently it's in it's it's more expensive. That's certainly,
I would say a third out is free from the suture line, the boundary between the
two. So the other part has to do with the pronotal collar area, which actually
may be a slightly.
0:30:32.210 --> 0:30:37.920
Droege, Sam
Usually you look at it from the different directions, but let's take a look
here. Now that we have this lined up.
0:30:41.20 --> 0:30:42.750
Droege, Sam
So here's the head.
0:30:44.260 --> 0:30:59.590
Droege, Sam
This and focus a little bit better just to Orient. Here's the head. This is the
thorax. This area right along here. Basically the collar, the horse collar area
that is going to be immediately butting up against the.
0:31:0.360 --> 0:31:11.510
Droege, Sam
Had is right in this area, this is hard to see, but that's the edge of it. This
is the rest of this is the skew them. And then over here are these pronotal
collars.
0:31:12.630 --> 0:31:15.410
Droege, Sam
Review what they were talking about.
0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:25.990
Droege, Sam
Here, so thorax pronotal Ridge more productive than it usually extends slightly
above the surrounding hair. So we're gonna look at that. We're gonna look at it
from a different angle.
0:31:26.790 --> 0:31:27.260
Droege, Sam
Uh.
0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:46.120
Droege, Sam
And we saw, I think the others abdomen T6 pits larger in comparison though. So
that's a comparative thing rather than an absolute thing that's a problem. A
lot of these are if you had them both together, there's obviously more of a
difference.
0:31:47.330 --> 0:31:48.390
Droege, Sam
Umm OK.
0:31:50.610 --> 0:31:59.680
Droege, Sam
Umm. Wait, OK, thorax actually free tip. OK, we covered those. Now let's see
what we can see.
0:32:0.490 --> 0:32:2.450
Droege, Sam
By switching this around.
0:32:4.430 --> 0:32:5.250
Droege, Sam
And.
0:32:6.700 --> 0:32:12.490
Droege, Sam
Taking down the magnification to Orient, and we may do to do some.
0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:23.340
Droege, Sam
Reorientation. Yeah, I think we do to see it from the opposite direction. What
we're looking for now is.
0:32:24.510 --> 0:32:27.110
Droege, Sam
The angles on a pro node or.
0:32:27.930 --> 0:32:30.160
Droege, Sam
With the pronotum or the pronotal collar.
0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:38.580
Droege, Sam
People give them different names depending on the researcher and the species
they're looking at.
0:32:39.730 --> 0:32:41.960
Droege, Sam
Think I'm gonna bump up the lighting?
0:32:43.310 --> 0:32:44.920
Droege, Sam
To jump out of this view.
0:32:48.210 --> 0:32:49.840
Droege, Sam
Go to.
0:32:50.930 --> 0:32:52.300
Droege, Sam
See, now I can do it right here.
0:33:2.980 --> 0:33:9.330
Droege, Sam
To full screen and we're going to see if we can observe the prenota collar over
here by.
0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.820
Droege, Sam
Alright, we got the back of head and focus.
0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:27.520
Droege, Sam
And.
0:33:30.500 --> 0:33:47.170
Droege, Sam
She's a skewed him head. Pronotum was largely invisible because the scutum is
taller than the edge of the pro node which is below here. But here is that
pronotal angle or Ridge that we're talking about projecting up.
0:33:48.330 --> 0:33:56.590
Droege, Sam
Not the clearest, but you can see that it's certainly risen above the surface
of the scutellum. Let's take a look on the other side.
0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.10
Droege, Sam
And then we'll change the angle a little bit.
0:34:0.310 --> 0:34:1.740
Droege, Sam
See if we can see that better.
0:34:18.180 --> 0:34:18.890
Droege, Sam
Look again.
0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:33.530
Droege, Sam
Is.
0:34:34.730 --> 0:34:38.60
Droege, Sam
Unhelpful position, but hopefully.
0:34:39.250 --> 0:34:41.690
Droege, Sam
OK, so this side.
0:34:43.80 --> 0:34:44.10
Droege, Sam
Over here.
0:34:44.870 --> 0:35:15.10
Droege, Sam
Is pretty visible. So what we're talking about and I have a little bit of a
problem because some of these hairs are oppressed. Here's a pro nodal of Ridge
or angle. I think it's called on there. You can see and you'll follow it down
to the pronotal lobe would be coming off of here. So this angle is supposed to
be projecting higher is essentially higher and projecting above the hairs. It's
hard to see the hairs. So it's hard to get super excited about that. But if we
look at this.
0:35:16.70 --> 0:35:18.60
Droege, Sam
Uh, we can see.
0:35:19.390 --> 0:35:20.180
Droege, Sam
That.
0:35:21.540 --> 0:35:33.510
Droege, Sam
Uh. More produce. It's it extends slightly above the surrounding ears. OK,
we're gonna a comparative thing. So now we're gonna go. Let's take a quick look
at T6 at size, which is supposed to be bigger.
0:35:34.490 --> 0:35:35.540
Droege, Sam
Ohh in this one.
0:35:37.170 --> 0:35:39.720
Droege, Sam
And your brain keep this.
0:35:41.40 --> 0:35:43.970
Droege, Sam
So T6 would be the very last segment in this female.
0:35:44.750 --> 0:35:56.920
Droege, Sam
And we have no reference point because it's a relative thing larger than it's
not a great thing. But sometimes after you gotta work with, so we will.
0:35:57.300 --> 0:36:3.200
Droege, Sam
Memorize the size of the pits here in our minds.
0:36:5.300 --> 0:36:7.50
Droege, Sam
You can see them on both sides there.
0:36:7.880 --> 0:36:8.510
Droege, Sam
Difficult.
0:36:9.770 --> 0:36:10.780
Droege, Sam
As of the lighting.
0:36:12.210 --> 0:36:12.690
Droege, Sam
But.
0:36:13.590 --> 0:36:18.260
Droege, Sam
There is a number of features to look at. OK, so that's hunter eye.
0:36:19.700 --> 0:36:19.950
Droege, Sam
With.
0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.450
Droege, Sam
It's donut head.
0:36:24.270 --> 0:36:33.960
Droege, Sam
And now we're going to go to the alternatus, another donut head, just to look
at the donut head here to confirm that so you can recall seeing it.
0:36:41.170 --> 0:36:42.560
Droege, Sam
Again on this.
0:36:50.770 --> 0:36:52.980
Droege, Sam
It's hard to get the lighting exactly right.
0:36:55.550 --> 0:36:57.450
Droege, Sam
Wonder if that's automatic in this program.
0:37:5.150 --> 0:37:12.660
Droege, Sam
We don't use that in differentiating the two, but we do use it to find the
group.
0:37:24.60 --> 0:37:26.50
Droege, Sam
OK, so from.
0:37:26.700 --> 0:37:28.240
Droege, Sam
This direction.
0:37:38.130 --> 0:37:40.60
Droege, Sam
By turn it this way a bit.
0:37:41.20 --> 0:37:42.580
Droege, Sam
So on the scutellum.
0:37:43.540 --> 0:37:44.330
Droege, Sam
The back.
0:37:45.350 --> 0:37:47.620
Droege, Sam
May have to look at this from the side to see this well.
0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:59.170
Droege, Sam
Umm on the back here it should be raised up along with Karen 8 if you will
raised up flipped up turned up.
0:37:59.980 --> 0:38:1.230
Droege, Sam
Along the edge.
0:38:4.550 --> 0:38:20.760
Droege, Sam
I I. Well, we'll look at it from the side, but I believe that's what's going on
there, pretty subtle. And then the actually there's one tip should be less
projecting out into open space. Let's actually read what it says for
alternatives.
0:38:21.710 --> 0:38:35.880
Droege, Sam
So alternates the actually projecting free tip and relatively short, projecting
only about 12:45 third the length of the suture between the actually and the
scutellum. So in other words, the free area that is not.
0:38:36.700 --> 0:38:44.170
Droege, Sam
Connected to the skid tellers short compared to Hunter I thorax pronotal Ridge
less produced.
0:38:51.780 --> 0:39:21.190
Droege, Sam
Skew tell him boundary being the dorsal narrow or steal your face. That's what.
Just what we were looking at. The medial 4th. So it's really just the center of
that rim area, usually with a slightly raised Carina or Ridge projecting
upwards. We'll look at that a couple times. And in comparison T6 pits smaller.
You can see why there's a struggle here because a lot of these are relative
terms and this is the beauty of having access to comparative information.
0:39:22.770 --> 0:39:25.100
Droege, Sam
I mean, uh, comparative specimens sometimes.
0:39:31.590 --> 0:39:33.20
Droege, Sam
Move this up right.
0:39:33.770 --> 0:39:37.0
Droege, Sam
Into the side because we were looking at this scutellum.
0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:45.410
Droege, Sam
Here, let's see if this is a good angle to see the slightly raised area.
0:39:49.230 --> 0:39:50.340
Droege, Sam
On the rim.
0:39:51.990 --> 0:40:15.180
Droege, Sam
Little tricky to see, but I think you can see something is going on there and
it's not, you know, it's not huge, but this area here is slightly upturned. So
Karen ate braised line, so it's not just a flat area ending in a flat junction
here with the down curve side of the scutellum.
0:40:24.220 --> 0:40:25.810
Droege, Sam
Metanium probably does too.
0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:50.790
Droege, Sam
Pronotal angle.
0:40:52.140 --> 0:40:54.510
Droege, Sam
Rising not above the hairs, so.
0:40:56.20 --> 0:40:58.770
Droege, Sam
This may show it, but in a way it shows that.
0:40:59.650 --> 0:41:0.120
Droege, Sam
Is it?
0:41:0.900 --> 0:41:10.210
Droege, Sam
A little bit difficult because it's hidden by the hair, so there's the pronotal
angle again and you can see the hair is in front of it and really it's
difficult to pick out.
0:41:22.470 --> 0:41:23.40
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:41:24.790 --> 0:41:26.60
Droege, Sam
Nor.
0:41:34.740 --> 0:41:35.950
Droege, Sam
Give the suit focus.
0:41:41.690 --> 0:42:7.180
Droege, Sam
Obvious in comparison to what we saw last time. So here's a skew tell. I'm
sorry. Here's a skew. Tell. I'm over here. The actually in all bees, but
musically they're so unobvious and not part of any ID stream that you don't
look at them in things like celiac axis and then a few other species groups.
They stick out, right? So here's the edge of the scutellum. There's an angle.
0:42:8.350 --> 0:42:10.850
Droege, Sam
And this is the tip of the actually sticking out here, but.
0:42:11.750 --> 0:42:41.20
Droege, Sam
What we're looking at is that this free angle, which is a little bit fuzzy as
to where it ends comparative, will flip over to the other side, does not extend
out from the joined area between the actually and the scutellum that much about
1/4. So it's shorter. Again, a good comparative, but not a great standalone
character like the NOB on Modestus.
0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.520
Droege, Sam
I'm going to show the other side just in case.
0:42:46.330 --> 0:42:50.540
Droege, Sam
That is a better view. Perhaps it is.
0:43:3.780 --> 0:43:10.620
Droege, Sam
Hmm, began little bit tricky to see, but you can say here's the actually. And here's
the edges you tell them so.
0:43:12.90 --> 0:43:14.0
Droege, Sam
That's what you're going to be looking for.
0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:19.470
Droege, Sam
Relatively short, I'm here's another view of the.
0:43:20.860 --> 0:43:25.60
Droege, Sam
You know to caller and the prenatal angle, let's see if it also.
0:43:25.930 --> 0:43:32.130
Droege, Sam
Meets our definition of short and not projecting upward that much in
comparison.
0:43:33.170 --> 0:43:34.940
Droege, Sam
So again, we're looking at alternatives.
0:43:53.620 --> 0:43:59.510
Droege, Sam
Comparative one. That said, T6 had smaller pits. Let's see if.
0:44:0.560 --> 0:44:3.190
Droege, Sam
That is something we can agree on.
0:44:4.310 --> 0:44:6.200
Droege, Sam
Even if we can't quantify it.
0:44:9.80 --> 0:44:9.530
Droege, Sam
So.
0:44:10.720 --> 0:44:13.330
Droege, Sam
I am going to say yes.
0:44:14.140 --> 0:44:15.390
Droege, Sam
Umm but.
0:44:16.30 --> 0:44:31.420
Droege, Sam
You know your big pit in my big pit in your small pit in my small pit are gonna
be different. Unless we're looking at two different things and can compare them
side by side. So another call for reference material to be available and.
0:44:32.110 --> 0:44:49.950
Droege, Sam
Particularly when I was starting out, I would spend a lot of time in late
nights traveling to the Smithsonian and doing this kind of work where I would
have my conjectured identifications, and then I would compare them directly to
the specimens there at the seasoning.
0:45:25.220 --> 0:45:25.990
Droege, Sam
Rock solid.
0:45:26.610 --> 0:45:27.150
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:45:27.900 --> 0:45:37.530
Droege, Sam
I'm not into your identification stream. Does it match pretty simple? You just
go back and forth. Alright, So what time do we have here?
0:45:43.610 --> 0:45:44.590
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, you still time.
0:45:40.270 --> 0:45:44.730
Droege, Sam
And looking at but we have 148, OK, couple more species to show.
0:45:45.540 --> 0:45:45.790
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:52.90
Droege, Sam
So.
0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:56.320
Droege, Sam
Let's see.
0:45:58.300 --> 0:46:0.790
Droege, Sam
To look at in some essence here.
0:46:3.620 --> 0:46:8.860
Droege, Sam
I think we looked at coturnix, that's most the only one I have on hand is a
male.
0:46:10.180 --> 0:46:11.230
Droege, Sam
And then.
0:46:15.370 --> 0:46:18.750
Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's not a bunch of sort of singletons here.
0:46:23.670 --> 0:46:38.760
Droege, Sam
We won't be able to get through them all, but just to give you some vibe. So in
the South are some cool, well cool mega Kylie and they cool Mega Kylie have
will specimen with them. So here's celiac axis slosson they.
0:46:39.750 --> 0:46:46.340
Droege, Sam
Lawsonia and I have it in version Slauson. Any and version slony arena color.
0:46:47.230 --> 0:46:59.590
Droege, Sam
Off the top of my head, I mean, it's just something that you can look up off
the top of my head. I can't recall why there one thing or the other. I'm gonna
just run these under the microscope.
0:47:1.270 --> 0:47:21.600
Droege, Sam
During the little time that we have here and point out any features that leap
out, first of all, what leaps out here with both these species is that there's
a lot more red going on. So in lot of celiac's some, you know, the legs can be
read, but now we have red invading the.
0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:23.170
Droege, Sam
Abdomen.
0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:32.460
Droege, Sam
So that's unique. You can also see it is pretty darn shiny and when we zoom in,
it's nice that the wings are cut out.
0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:34.630
Droege, Sam
On this.
0:47:37.630 --> 0:47:38.940
Droege, Sam
We can see.
0:47:40.470 --> 0:47:40.950
Droege, Sam
That.
0:47:41.940 --> 0:48:2.190
Droege, Sam
The areas lateral these troughs, these I guess sulcas things, but they're
they're indentations here like in that group of celiac axis octane that Venkata
Sai and Ruth Itarsi that through went all the way across and there was some
nuance in.
0:48:3.410 --> 0:48:8.40
Droege, Sam
Between Celia and say I and Octane and TADA, but here you can see it's completely
absent.
0:48:9.200 --> 0:48:24.410
Droege, Sam
Pitzer, relatively large, we go back to the back end where so much action is
because this is the place they get to modify it a lot pending on their strategy
for inserting eggs and believe it's into the cell wall.
0:48:25.410 --> 0:48:29.280
Droege, Sam
Umm. Specimens of them. Megan. Kylie. Yes.
0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:49.370
Droege, Sam
And we can see here this is another of the notched group, important to look at.
So there's that tiny notch. So now you're getting a a portrait of that. Some of
the other features would come out is would be associated with S6.
0:48:50.690 --> 0:49:0.10
Droege, Sam
I don't know going to the guide what cause I I really almost never see this. It
looks like there's no appressed hairs there on the meta node.
0:49:7.270 --> 0:49:27.410
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So you tell him, but interesting set of hairs there. Let's see if there's
anything in the guide that we wanna talk about here with this group. So we can
look at characters and then run down to Sloss. Any a lot of it is going to
revolve around just their southernness of it.
0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:33.180
Droege, Sam
Narrow menu. My new teeth. We also have it scored as.
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Droege, Sam
Absent of a Ridge down the middle.
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Droege, Sam
Umm. Let's see if.
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Droege, Sam
These are unique things, flat face, not extending.
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Droege, Sam
It does say it does have.
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Droege, Sam
Apprentice terrace throughout so my quick vibe was not, but also says actually.
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Droege, Sam
This you tell him is absent or present.
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Droege, Sam
It's a relatively short in terms of things that are characters for this
relatively short list that gets you to that species and it's got some nice
color characteristics.
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Droege, Sam
So I'm not sure that we cover the two general, the subject of subspecies in
there. And so I'm not going to bother trying to figure out why one was slicing,
slicing and one was a ran a color. It's in Mitchell.
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Droege, Sam
Let's take a quick tour here.
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Droege, Sam
Of.
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Droege, Sam
This away.
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Droege, Sam
Of.
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Droege, Sam
These males or females?
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Droege, Sam
That's a male. So we're wrapping up the females and next time we'll be going
into the Mayo. That's another whole set of characters.
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Droege, Sam
So here's some interesting one. This is mexicana, which as you can figure out
is southern. And here's just an example. If we look at just its face, how the
face alone says Ohh this is this is a different look.
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Droege, Sam
And just the pattern of the the phase as a whole.
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Droege, Sam
Looks different.
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Droege, Sam
And you can see it is a little bit swollen there, but it has at the whole area
is invaded by pit, so it's not a a donut head per se.
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Droege, Sam
Wings are pretty dark. I don't know if that's useful and this again, species. I
never really see.
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Droege, Sam
And if we look at?
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Droege, Sam
Look at our tail end as six.
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Droege, Sam
Here if anyone has any experience with any of these that would be great to
hear.
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Droege, Sam
Really just doing show until for the last little bit. Well, there's a a raised
Ridge line on T6. We can't even see S6 here running all the way down. Let's
flip this over.
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Droege, Sam
See what's going on?
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Droege, Sam
There with Nick Siccama underneath.
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Droege, Sam
Nor my very dirty hands.
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Droege, Sam
And with Hilaria.
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Droege, Sam
From above, it's bent downwards. So we're gonna change the view on that.
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Droege, Sam
And try and see it.
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Droege, Sam
Oops.
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Droege, Sam
Take it off to the side.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
I think we have another notch tip, so this one is a little bit more obvious
right there, so I'm I'm going through these two fast now. I'm not quite sure
they'll get how dark those wings are. Lots of red on the other side, definitely
red legs. We're gonna be useful in determining what's going on. And we'll see
in the.
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Droege, Sam
Meals at this area underneath the eye. It's not really listed as a feature
within the females. Is gonna be important in terms of what the size and shape
is and whether there's hairs inside this hollow by the head. Although I wonder
if it's also useful for the females.
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Droege, Sam
So we can see again what's going on with the sulcus and it looks to me little
bit ambiguous here.
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Droege, Sam
It I can't this view would I would need to look at this a little bit more but
this looks like this socus this through does go all the way across and T3 and
up here in T2 you can see it clearly on the sides there.
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Droege, Sam
But no, it's not so clear here at the top whether that flattens out and
disappears.
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Droege, Sam
I'm here.
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Droege, Sam
When we're looking at the rear face of the scutellum and the metamodel, you can
see that there's quite a lot of prominent oppressed hairs.
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Droege, Sam
In.
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Droege, Sam
Move that one.
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Droege, Sam
Again, rare species that I don't see much in collectivity, I only have the
mail. So Dallas, you know. So Dallas I believe is a northern species.
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Droege, Sam
Take a quick look.
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Droege, Sam
I mean, this is coming from.
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Droege, Sam
So.
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Droege, Sam
This one T2 definitely has a troth.
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Droege, Sam
And this taking a quick look, let's take a look at the face and a different
presentation compared to some of the others. We just saw that alerts you to.
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Droege, Sam
Particularly when you're doing comparisons, not gonna be listed, but.
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Droege, Sam
A lot of times when you get things under the microscope and look at.
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Droege, Sam
Things you like. Oh, that's different. That's not what I'm what I have
undermined. This is upside down. But you can see all these thicker CT or hairs
compared to what amounts to complete coverage of the clipeus in hers and
others. You have almost no hairs here or only scattered ones going on so.
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Droege, Sam
That's.
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Droege, Sam
Look now at the.
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Droege, Sam
Here.
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Droege, Sam
In.
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Droege, Sam
The surface sculpturing particularly again, we go back to this presence of this
troth.
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Droege, Sam
Little bit difficult to see because they're very it's very dark, but there is a
trough going all the way across on T2 and T3 this.
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Droege, Sam
And when we look at the meeting with my finger, which is not very useful, we're
looking now at the meta notum and scutellum area.
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Droege, Sam
We can see.
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Droege, Sam
And we have no no appressed hairs on either segment. Looks like that, I think
is.
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Droege, Sam
Junk.
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Droege, Sam
Umm you can also see like interesting amount of white hair coming in on these
places.
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Droege, Sam
And finally, what is going on? This is my last specimen here.
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Droege, Sam
I think it's good timing.
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Droege, Sam
What do we have at the very end for this one?
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Maffei, Clare J
What? What species is this?
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Maffei, Clare J
Oh, we're still on that, OK.
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Droege, Sam
This one is so Dallas. So this is a northern species again? Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
And so here we have. So this this tea area, this is nicely illuminated and this
one.
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Droege, Sam
Often has a pretty distinct pattern of, you know, both the the ridgeline, which
is is quite a bit and more difficult to describe. Are these pattern of recesses
and craters and hollowed out areas, and what that pattern looks like? It's
difficult to verbalize that. So when we look now at Essex.
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Droege, Sam
So below, let's see what we can see.
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Droege, Sam
Without flipping it over.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
The answer is need to flip it over and I can't tell whether it's a broad
triangle with a smaller one, which I think it is on top or what we're going to
turn it over. So that's an example of one of the other states.
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Droege, Sam
Of a.
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Droege, Sam
As six sheep that's useful for separating things out.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So it's a little bit at an oblique angle.
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Droege, Sam
But you can see it very clearly. So here's the shape. There's always hairs of
some kind around there, only in obscure appentice. I think it's obscure.
Apprentice, which is really rare. Do we have something where the hair is really
play a role, but here you have this broad shoulder, triangular ish thing. So
another instead of being straight, you're have convex shoulders and then on top
of it is a smaller little also triangular shape, a mini shape.
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Droege, Sam
That sits on there and no teeth go soon, little bit more.
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Droege, Sam
So I think that's a good stopping point.
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Droege, Sam
Again, we would go on and on. If Mike were here or Rob Gene talking about
distributions and patterns that what are some of the other features that they
see that I don't see because these specimens are relatively uncommon. So does
anyone have any questions or observations of their own?
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Maffei, Clare J
The Chatman, really quiet everyone. UM, Elliot did point out way back on I
forget what species were on modestus I think.
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Maffei, Clare J
That there were in the same subgenus, the two that we were wondering the
western bee.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
Mm-hmm.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. The one with the knob. So maybe the knobby thing is it's subgenus.
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Droege, Sam
Ability, but you know, think about the North America clean. You can drive
across it. There's no big water gap, but there are certainly deserts and
mountain ranges and.
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Droege, Sam
Species distributions of hosts. So over time a lot of speciations occur that
are basically Eastern and Western and they go off on their merry way but
retain.
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Droege, Sam
Similarities because they're derived from the same original stock.
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Droege, Sam
So if only we had more Westerners who would score some of these specimens for
their area.
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Maffei, Clare J
And hand.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, those areas we can take a look at the distribution really quickly here.
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Droege, Sam
Of whatever it is that I've come up with and.
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Droege, Sam
That helps with probabilities. Hmm. I see that that one's rare. And that one's
common. So I should give some more credibility there.
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Droege, Sam
Did I spell this wrong? Is there to really just two specimens? No. Maybe it's
texanna.
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Droege, Sam
There we go.
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Droege, Sam
You know, so many texana and texana us, but it looks like here's an interesting
thing. I wonder if there's really isolation there or there's actually a
connection. And look at this population down there too.
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Droege, Sam
Things to do. We see that a lot and a lot of times people are now working in
these areas. They can kind of round out this distribution and pull it together
with records. So more collecting in that.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, Southern coastal Louisiana.
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Droege, Sam
Mississippi, Alabama.
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Droege, Sam
So in Georgia.
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Droege, Sam
And Panhandle of Florida, you have interesting set of records up there and
Kansas, Missouri belt too.
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Droege, Sam
OK. Any other?
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Droege, Sam
Observations or questions?
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Droege, Sam
Good.
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Maffei, Clare J
I think that's it for today. I'm gonna stop by recording. But, Sam, you can
stay on. Eric is wondering if we can chat for a second.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, sure.
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Maffei, Clare J
Thank you everyone.