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Maffei, Clare J
Boarding.
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Maffei, Clare J
Umm the little?
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Maffei, Clare J
So Sam.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Maffei, Clare J
Parenthese.
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Droege, Sam
Well, we we did parent vitium, but we sorry, I'm doing two things at once here.
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Droege, Sam
We also wanna bring up the new annex picture.
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Droege, Sam
We went through and Tidy Ellum a little bit, so enough to talk about Borealis
versus no Tatum and Mikes Key did not have perplexed Umm, so we will.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Jump into that again, I guess I don't have a picture of the.
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Droege, Sam
New annex. Anyway, I'll like we can talk about that another day. But we're our
new facility. New old facility will have plenty of room for doing lectures and
guides and teaching as long as well as 1000 drawers of specifics.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so anthidium, as I mentioned, Mike was talking about Borealis and his guide
versus no titanium Boreale was split out of notatum a little while ago within
the last couple years.
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Droege, Sam
And I'll talk now about the difference between no Tatum and perplexing, which
is a southeastern species, and I'll share my screen here first.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
There we go.
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Droege, Sam
Think think it's being shared, OK. Do we see the map?
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Maffei, Clare J
Yes, we do.
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Droege, Sam
OK, alright. So no, titanium is a very widespread species. Yeah, it's split. As
Mike mentioned the last time and do a number of different subspecies which
could later become species out West in the east, we have a population that's
fairly discrete, but as you go to the South, it does a color shift that will
look a lot like.
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Droege, Sam
Anthidium.
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Droege, Sam
Entity ellem perplexing, which is in blue here. So entity Ellum Perplexus M is
I would call it a San specialist. It's probably gonna bump up into Virginia and
may bump out to the West a bit. Once we do a little more surveying, but it is a
as you'll see, I have them lined up and ochre.
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Droege, Sam
Uh species. However, it's tricky because in the same area the notams turn that
same color range too, so differentiating if we jump now to.
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Droege, Sam
The Discover life guides.
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Droege, Sam
Uh to move this can I move that?
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Droege, Sam
Umm, out of the wing?
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Droege, Sam
Umm hmm.
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Maffei, Clare J
What do you think?
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Droege, Sam
I'm trying to move. There's a uh screen control thing up at the top.
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Droege, Sam
What happens if I know?
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Droege, Sam
Umm oh, there it goes. OK, good. I got rid of it. Now, if we go here to the
entity Ellem key.
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Droege, Sam
And which includes all the Western species and now includes mikes.
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Droege, Sam
Uh. Differences between no totem and Boreale we're adding overtime slowly.
Thank you. Francis Mullen, the species that Mike has and his wording too. So
you'll have multiple chances to get the species right.
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Droege, Sam
I'm using the Discover Life guides now and then ultimately we'll put in more
and more of other people's identification characters and keys and just put them
into the same format. OK, so when we look at the females we see here, no Tatum
versus perplexed them and we're looking at the head, the ocelli, and between
the Acela are two bumps and we are going to switch now to the.
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Droege, Sam
Viewer of.
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Droege, Sam
Let's see. I had it up. Oh, there it is. OK, so now when we take a look at
this.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, through the microscope. This is no totem. This is the northern sort of
nominate thing. Very bright yellow. Perplexing is never this color. And you see
between the ocelli here 2 raised areas which I think are relatively
straightforward to see and there are no pets on top of the the little ridges.
I'm gonna wiggle the lighting a little bit, so maybe.
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Droege, Sam
That will, sorry about the phone interruption. Illuminate that a little bit
better.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, I'll twist it too so.
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Droege, Sam
This is something to look for in any entity I need because a few of them show
these characteristics like in Diane. Did new things OK so in addition and 50
Elum it's pretty straightforward in the that we're looking at a female and the
antibiograms are smaller, so just size alone will discriminate the two and both
have very dark wings, but perplexing will have even darker wings. But this is
the primary character to split them apart.
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Droege, Sam
Flip back here to the guide.
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Droege, Sam
Umm well, someone is very persistent. Natalie corona. I'm gonna give this to Sydney.
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Droege, Sam
Pointer.
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Droege, Sam
Sorry, we're having it. Another lab move and then taking all their leftovers.
So if we look here.
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Droege, Sam
It's basically size and these ascella patterns. So let's take a look now at
video and perplexing.
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Droege, Sam
Will be larger in the females. Males have some other characters which will show
here. So first thing to see here is the color.
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Droege, Sam
We can clean this into view.
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Droege, Sam
It's yes, it has yellow, but many of the yellow sections are.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, surrounded by an invaded by this burnt umber cover, which just isn't present
in the northern population of, like I said, this can look almost exactly the
same in.
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Droege, Sam
The populations of no Tatum in the South in the same area where perplexing is,
and I've caught them at the exactly same spot.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so now though.
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Droege, Sam
First of all, I think in general you might notice that the Pacelli seem a
little bit smaller here, so let me just bump up my cursor size.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
As we're not, it's not very large.
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Droege, Sam
Get it to talk.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
About that.
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Droege, Sam
Back better. OK, so lateral celly in between. It's just a entire field of pits.
No, clearly no mound. Clearly, no difference in that pitting field. I'm even if
you didn't quite see the amount and some colorful fibers that have been added
in. So that's pretty much it for the females. I'll show you the back here. So
you get a vibe on this, this is.
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Droege, Sam
Noticeably, if you had a string.
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Droege, Sam
Going to be a larger species and.
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Droege, Sam
Here's your color.
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Droege, Sam
And, Umm, vibe on it. Lots of amber.
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Droege, Sam
Types of things burnt orange, burnt umber, whatever you wanna call it. Very,
very dark wings. But they both have darkish wings. OK, so I'm gonna flip now to
perplex sum males.
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Droege, Sam
So they have the same deal going on in terms of color, size and as well as.
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Droege, Sam
The.
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Droege, Sam
Range and the bumps on their thing, but additionally on.
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Droege, Sam
Tea.
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Droege, Sam
Kevin, which I'm going to have to rotate this more.
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Droege, Sam
Because it's the abdomen, as many bees do, as in the mail curls way under.
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Droege, Sam
Bring it back here.
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Droege, Sam
And hopefully we can see it. So the rim of T7 is.
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Droege, Sam
In the mail.
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Droege, Sam
Right angular.
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Droege, Sam
And towards the tip and instead of blunt, I'm gonna rotate that even a little
bit more.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, because I'm not sure it's expressing it completely well, it'll take off
the tag.
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Droege, Sam
Try more.
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Droege, Sam
Time here. Hopefully the pin will not be in the way.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, that's better.
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Droege, Sam
Bring up the magnification.
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Droege, Sam
Take it down.
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Droege, Sam
And there you can see. So T7 very clearly, you know rounded edges but
triangular and pointed and then.
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Droege, Sam
We will flip to notatum.
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Droege, Sam
In which that end will be truncate or squared off.
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Droege, Sam
Quite different.
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Droege, Sam
So a lot of this, the kind of complex of characters you would want to have or.
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Droege, Sam
Any.
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Droege, Sam
Species.
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Droege, Sam
Of closely related ones that would allow you to.
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Droege, Sam
Tell them apart instead of.
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Droege, Sam
Irritatingly subtle things.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, so I'm gonna bring the mancation up looking at no Tatum.
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Droege, Sam
And you can see that the end is shape is quite different, maybe not exactly
straight across, but clearly slightly concave rather than triangular.
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Droege, Sam
And slush across.
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Droege, Sam
How lovely the character is that.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so I think that the guys actually go out to the West. So we don't really
have Western specimens at this point. So I'm gonna say.
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Droege, Sam
Check that out yourself and as usual any.
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Droege, Sam
Alterations or question marks that you don't like. Let us know so that we can
put it in the list to update.
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Droege, Sam
Francis's updating entity, Elam, and may have done it already.
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Droege, Sam
I guess if there are questions now on the anthidium front, let us know.
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Maffei, Clare J
I have one.
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Droege, Sam
We haven't, OK.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Maffei, Clare J
Matt Nicole asks uh Mikes Key mentions a narrow and punctate line on T6 of
boreal females versus notatum. Lacking that, you show at 6 of a female mutate
them.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, sadly I do not have Borealis.
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Droege, Sam
Should I do have?
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Droege, Sam
Bees and I don't know about perplexing, but more reality is a lover of the pea
family that a male think that's a male. Sorry.
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Droege, Sam
This one let me just checking my other microscope.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
So and.
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Droege, Sam
Also seems to be OK sometimes with.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
In this. Is that really it looks like a that pattern of blocky spots is also,
yeah, that's the female is also a really good general.
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Droege, Sam
Vibe.
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Droege, Sam
Of and infinium.
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Droege, Sam
With the stripes at the top going into the blocky.
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Droege, Sam
Squares. I'm going to rotate it a little bit more.
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Droege, Sam
But birdsfoot trefoil and.
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Droege, Sam
Sweet clovers.
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Droege, Sam
They're on it.
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Droege, Sam
Midsummer thing.
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Droege, Sam
Fast. That's one of the problems. OK, so T6 is here. It's the last segment in
females.
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Droege, Sam
And Mike says Boreale has an impact date line, right? So that would mean Impune
Tate being the fancy name for no pits, so a pitless.
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Droege, Sam
No.
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Droege, Sam
Line through here and I see no sign of that in this particular specimen. Not a
surprise with pits entirely across. That's is that sufficient? Do people see
that character there?
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
Seems like it to me. Nicole. Yes, she said thank you. She also says that she
just identified the first entity Ellem from Minnesota. So I'm trying to keep it
out to keep it out to species. Today is very timely.
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Droege, Sam
I'm yeah, that would seem like the candidate a candidate for Borealis up there.
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Droege, Sam
So OK, I'll move on now to we'll shift gears and go to Diane Ethidium.
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Droege, Sam
So when we talk about Diane Phidian, let's put a specimen on there and talk
about the general characters first. I think we're gonna start with meals. So
let's work with curvatum. Maybe one of the most common ones, and I don't know
about all the species, but many of these are sunflowers specialists. So annual
sunflowers, but also the big perennials that you see in Texas and along
roadsides.
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Droege, Sam
And things in the Midwest and and then further to the West are.
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Droege, Sam
Often inhabited by.
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Droege, Sam
These speedy little impedes, and they're fast too. OK, so a couple things that
define.
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Droege, Sam
Diane Tedium and also help you differentiate it from Tricosa, which we'll talk
about next, but I don't know if we have time today. So this is the proposal.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Pronotal collar area.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
You can see that it's projecting up and is.
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Droege, Sam
Clear.
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Droege, Sam
So transparent.
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Droege, Sam
There, and I believe the pronotal lobe, but we'll check because I'm I'm maybe
mixing up my characters here.
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Droege, Sam
So very transparent, very tall. That's almost always an indication. And then
let's look and see what's going on elsewhere. The I'll also say that the.
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Droege, Sam
Tegular, or the base of the wing protector.
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Droege, Sam
Is also almost always massive. Now it's possible that you're CUSA, which is its
probably its nearest neighbor.
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Droege, Sam
Has that too, but I'm not sure but.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, you can see. So here's a pronotal lobe. And here's the the.
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Droege, Sam
From nodal angle or Ridge here defining so this is all the pro node I'm here.
This is the low bit comes in and this area is also transparent but this is
transparent and I believe maybe and I don't know if it's definitive that around
the edge of the very large.
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Droege, Sam
Iguana is a transparent rim, but this is mostly what you're looking for now.
This is also a pretty good angle to see the.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh malice. Ohh malice. I don't know how it's exactly pronounced. Well, we'll
angle it again. This is another thing that's separated. Separates us from
Jacuzzi. Because jacuzzi. The O'Neil is basically is a front leg holder. So
magine like a transformer. You can tuck all your legs in. Move those legs into
there. Bend your head over and you're just surrounded by armor.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, but in Diane Stadium and a couple and there's this happens in other
species too, but they're often these heavily armored ones. This is what would
be called the anterior face of the.
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Droege, Sam
Umm plura or the mazeppa sternum?
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Droege, Sam
And or the I guess is it. Yeah means that be sternum and.
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Droege, Sam
It's got a very sharp transition. Usually it's not pitted inside because this
is gonna tuck in. This is a sharp angle, whereas in most species this is just
simply rounded over the anterior face, which they all have that comes towards
the front is simply a continuation of the side face, and there's no particular
stop, start point. And in Diane Tedium, there is and it's not clear here, but
we'll change the angle and you'll see.
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Droege, Sam
That there's a also associated a raised line and the extent of that raised line
is sometimes used in identifying some of the species. In other words, some they
all have it, but not necessarily.
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Droege, Sam
To the same extent. Alright, let me bring in some more light here because we're
dealing with darkness and a tucked in area.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
We could use.
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Droege, Sam
Greater amount of light, so I'm going to change it to.
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Droege, Sam
400 so blow it out elsewhere, but hopefully when we magnify it, you'll.
0:19:8.410 --> 0:19:9.420
Droege, Sam
Be able to.
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Droege, Sam
And to press 4 things to get in here, see the umalis better.
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Droege, Sam
All right, so there's the front leg.
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Droege, Sam
And the Carina is what we're going to be looking for.
0:19:23.450 --> 0:19:35.710
Droege, Sam
In the front leg is where it's gonna tuck in next to the head, and the Somalis
is gonna protect it. And there is a Carina. Or should Nuggets spend too much
time on on this?
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Droege, Sam
And I believe this is the species that has only a partial Corina, so maybe I'll
push this up a little bit more.
0:19:47.290 --> 0:19:56.460
Droege, Sam
So a crina is just another fancy name for a raised line or Ridge here that
Carina is and then it stops, right? But this is still quite.
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Droege, Sam
Hey.
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Droege, Sam
A sharp transition, at least at the upper part. So I believe for this.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, species which should be curvatum that that.
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Droege, Sam
The others, it continues down. This might be also indicative, but let's jump to
mikes guy, because he does have a nice giant phidim guide. Now that we have
toured the morphology and I'm gonna knock back.
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Droege, Sam
The lighting here.
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Droege, Sam
To.
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Droege, Sam
More like let's do 200. That's good. OK.
0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.210
Droege, Sam
And bring this up.
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Droege, Sam
Four buttons to press and now go to Mike's guide.
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Droege, Sam
Here. OK, so in looking at Mike's guide, I don't have some of these Midwestern
specimens, but I do have a fair enough number that will be able to see examples
of the characters, I think.
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Droege, Sam
So texanum very rare, but everything else has the alternative characters here which
will go through. So let's take our.
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Droege, Sam
For Bam and going to take that off and turn it upside down and you'll see under
the front there be hind coxy and sometimes the front depends on the where we
are in the guide. Hinckley each with the short, sharp triangular projection
poking out from the tip of it. And let's just start with that. So go here.
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Droege, Sam
He was down.
0:21:45.170 --> 0:21:46.120
Droege, Sam
And.
0:21:51.410 --> 0:21:58.780
Droege, Sam
Bring that in and it is unhelpful to have a male, so take that. Wait, we are
working on nails.
0:22:0.710 --> 0:22:4.870
Droege, Sam
I think you want to see how his guide starts. No, he starts with females.
0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.950
Droege, Sam
OK, still take that down.
0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:19.650
Droege, Sam
There and bring in a female.
0:22:21.40 --> 0:22:21.840
Droege, Sam
Take that on.
0:22:23.380 --> 0:22:24.130
Droege, Sam
And.
0:22:26.370 --> 0:22:28.560
Droege, Sam
Look at the hearing koxie here.
0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:45.830
Droege, Sam
Hearing possibly no. I think we could see half of it. So the coxy is the last
segment before the leg.
0:22:47.290 --> 0:22:49.960
Droege, Sam
Meets the body, leg being.
0:22:51.140 --> 0:22:54.710
Droege, Sam
Something that doesn't really translate from our leg to their leg.
0:22:56.180 --> 0:22:57.250
Droege, Sam
Super well.
0:22:59.980 --> 0:23:3.230
Droege, Sam
But I may have to rotate this a little bit more.
0:23:7.400 --> 0:23:9.110
Droege, Sam
To get that in there.
0:23:10.10 --> 0:23:10.680
Droege, Sam
Sure will.
0:23:28.690 --> 0:23:29.480
Droege, Sam
There you go.
0:23:30.360 --> 0:23:35.470
Droege, Sam
OK, so orientation here's a coxy. Here's the spine.
0:23:36.270 --> 0:23:41.600
Droege, Sam
And on these are the and then this is the trochanter femur to be. Yeah.
0:23:40.260 --> 0:23:46.330
Maffei, Clare J
Hey, Sam, somehow you like. I don't know if you right clicked or something, but
there is a little window on your screen.
0:23:47.650 --> 0:23:48.730
Droege, Sam
So there is.
0:23:49.630 --> 0:23:50.150
Maffei, Clare J
Thank you.
0:23:49.550 --> 0:23:50.420
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:23:51.360 --> 0:23:52.530
Droege, Sam
Period. Oops.
0:23:53.910 --> 0:23:54.860
Droege, Sam
Oh, interesting.
0:23:56.430 --> 0:24:9.520
Droege, Sam
It might have been a way to get to full screen without having to do 4 things.
How do they do that anyway? OK, so here are the spines. So Texana would not
have them.
0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:12.270
Droege, Sam
All the others have them.
0:24:13.150 --> 0:24:19.480
Droege, Sam
And some will have them on the front row counter. So let's go to another
character here to look for.
0:24:20.630 --> 0:24:26.0
Droege, Sam
Model triangle smooth so not pitted, at least on the lower half.
0:24:26.790 --> 0:24:36.480
Droege, Sam
And simple Carina present laterally. So I think this is a pretty
self-explanatory thing. So proportial, maybe we'll look at the prodigal
triangle.
0:24:37.220 --> 0:24:42.580
Droege, Sam
So these names are used differently by different authors.
0:24:43.780 --> 0:24:48.670
Droege, Sam
Mike and I are perhaps old school and we use Proportial triangle a lot.
0:24:49.790 --> 0:24:53.320
Droege, Sam
Other people use something whose name is so.
0:24:55.190 --> 0:25:0.940
Droege, Sam
Clunky and I can't remember what it is at the moment. Someone could put that in
the chat.
0:25:3.640 --> 0:25:12.640
Droege, Sam
Lots of nomenclatural things. There's no real like it has to be like this kind
of thing in this world.
0:25:13.980 --> 0:25:15.490
Droege, Sam
So I always.
0:25:16.250 --> 0:25:17.430
Droege, Sam
Like to go with.
0:25:18.780 --> 0:25:20.570
Droege, Sam
The easiest to remember.
0:25:21.230 --> 0:25:21.970
Droege, Sam
In most.
0:25:23.40 --> 0:25:31.830
Droege, Sam
Explanatory like. Instead of saying in punctate, I say has no pits, even though
that's a couple more words. Alright so.
0:25:35.20 --> 0:25:35.600
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:25:36.890 --> 0:25:39.620
Droege, Sam
So let's look at Mike's wording here.
0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:51.450
Droege, Sam
Mikes wording on this is a sital Corina present laterally, so different people
called us so different things. So here's the I here's the top of the head.
0:25:52.150 --> 0:25:58.430
Droege, Sam
Here's the back of the head you can see in a shiny linear light. This is the
Carina.
0:26:0.860 --> 0:26:14.950
Droege, Sam
So occipital usually is having to do with the back of the head, and so some
people will call this area between here and there, the Gina.
0:26:16.20 --> 0:26:17.830
Droege, Sam
Do you know that he uses that turn?
0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:20.620
Droege, Sam
Umm. So if you look at it.
0:26:21.350 --> 0:26:51.930
Droege, Sam
Superintendence laterally. Yeah, he says he's including the occipital Corina
laterally, so that would be lateral to the edge of the head on the Gina. I
usually refer to it as just the cheek, because people get what a cheek is, I
think a little more easily than a Gina or the hospital. Carina. So what you're
looking at is a corona raised line, but a lot of times it's like as if the
cheek.
0:26:52.0 --> 0:27:1.600
Droege, Sam
Close down and then turns up a little bit at the end, forming this raised Ridge
along the backside, so that's present.
0:27:2.810 --> 0:27:8.280
Droege, Sam
And I presume if we go back to the guide that it's not present in Texana.
0:27:10.940 --> 0:27:20.390
Droege, Sam
Property is trying to bring in a simple Carina, absent laterally, so presumably
when Mike talks about laterally, I wish you were here. He would be talking
about that. It's.
0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:22.720
Droege, Sam
Absent.
0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:39.460
Droege, Sam
On the edges of the cheek, but perhaps at the top of the head again, we need
some clarification there, and we don't have the species to look at. So now look
at all these wonderful morphological characters we get to explore. So enter
enter.
0:27:40.370 --> 0:27:41.300
Droege, Sam
Yeah, sure.
0:27:38.660 --> 0:27:41.710
Maffei, Clare J
I'm gonna interrupt real quick about the proposal triangle.
0:27:47.750 --> 0:27:48.170
Droege, Sam
Yes.
0:27:43.590 --> 0:27:50.30
Maffei, Clare J
David suggests proportial enclosure equals triangle question mark, and Gene
offers metapost nodum.
0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:56.310
Droege, Sam
Yes, both are. Those are alternative words. In the case of.
0:27:57.690 --> 0:28:11.470
Droege, Sam
So sometimes they don't look very triangular, other times they might call it
the dorsal face. But there's really no dorsal face because in here, let's go to
it. When we look at.
0:28:13.20 --> 0:28:13.500
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:28:14.410 --> 0:28:22.820
Droege, Sam
When we look at a lot of the insidious and even the mega Kylie, because the
proposed Yum just basically.
0:28:23.550 --> 0:28:24.100
Droege, Sam
Ah.
0:28:25.120 --> 0:28:27.370
Droege, Sam
Goes complete vertical.
0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:29.420
Droege, Sam
On.
0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.760
Droege, Sam
After the menu item, so OK, I think this might show it.
0:28:36.820 --> 0:28:37.880
Droege, Sam
So recall.
0:28:38.550 --> 0:28:39.170
Droege, Sam
That.
0:28:40.940 --> 0:29:1.420
Droege, Sam
You were not seeing it, but the pin is going through the skew Dum. There's a
skew telum relatively large feature almost always, perhaps always in the same
plane as the skew dum and then other stuff can happen. So in a lot of the helictites,
the meta node on which is, I think pretty much always a relatively thin.
0:29:2.420 --> 0:29:3.440
Droege, Sam
Joining.
0:29:4.260 --> 0:29:6.340
Droege, Sam
Uh, no body part.
0:29:7.360 --> 0:29:36.770
Droege, Sam
And by parts you know are separated by sutures. So there's a suture, there's a
suture. So that's the meta notum. But we're now talking that these features are
in a vertical plane, whereas in helicity and a lot of other things and dream
up, they are going to be in a horizontal plane and it doesn't turn down until
you get to the rear face of the proposed, Umm. So the next thing is the podium
and it's already in a vertical plane here. So.
0:29:37.290 --> 0:30:5.150
Droege, Sam
The I think a lot of this was generated maybe by people who worked a lot on
endrina and some of the more common species and this triangle area. This is
you're seeing only part of it right here of the proposed Yum is still present
here, but it was more visible on top of the cause was horizontal on the entire
entity and the.
0:30:5.890 --> 0:30:30.260
Droege, Sam
Umm. Includes. No, not so much validity, but at least Andre entity and
helicity. So this is the proposal triangle. The prodigal enclosure, the meat
but metapost notum. Ohh, what a horrible word. And and similar things sometimes
in this case would not be the dorsal enclosure, because it's not dorsal.
0:30:31.530 --> 0:30:38.40
Droege, Sam
Dorsal meeting top so you can see how shiny this is. I can't remember what
character we were looking at, but.
0:30:38.860 --> 0:30:39.370
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.590
Droege, Sam
To go a little bit closer, since we have it here.
0:30:43.310 --> 0:30:44.140
Droege, Sam
To talk.
0:30:48.940 --> 0:30:49.630
Droege, Sam
Podium.
0:30:50.580 --> 0:31:8.170
Droege, Sam
And recall a lot of a lot of things get munged up by the fact that someone
determined that this segment the podium is actually an ancient segment of the
abdomen that got stuck onto the thorax. So by.
0:31:9.220 --> 0:31:20.850
Droege, Sam
Uh. The arcane jargon rules of entomology maybe not even a rule they decided.
Well, we can't call this the thorax. And this the abdomen because some of the
abdomen is stuck here.
0:31:22.730 --> 0:31:36.830
Droege, Sam
All right, I'm gonna go too far into that, but my point is like if I say
abdomen on a diantha adium and thorax on a diantha adium, everyone knows what
that is. But if I start using some of the alternative words, then.
0:31:38.420 --> 0:31:42.530
Droege, Sam
It just becomes a roadblock for learning about bees, I think.
0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:50.370
Droege, Sam
But I'll get off my soapbox. Alright. Proportial triangle. Let's see what he
said about that. So.
0:31:50.690 --> 0:32:9.100
Droege, Sam
I'm in Texana versus the rest, so these this would be one of the other
alternative to texanum things. So appodeal triangle smooth not pitted at least
on the lower half and so we we saw that occipital Carina present laterally.
0:32:10.190 --> 0:32:16.860
Droege, Sam
Inner antennal area unmodified, we saw the occipital Carina enter. Antennal
area has bumps.
0:32:17.460 --> 0:32:50.630
Droege, Sam
Umm, in texana. So it said pair of flattened bumps, which we would want to see
if we had a specimen, but we don't. So we're going to not bother because it's
just basically a uniform area of pitting, like almost all species have in the
alternative universe. The bumps here are of interest could be a margin also
without small teeth. So as is most species of bees, there's just a smooth line
going around the clipeus. Again, I don't think we need to see that.
0:32:50.770 --> 0:33:4.990
Droege, Sam
And the texanum is much more like anthidium manic ketum, which we saw the last
time, which has a whole series of tiny high. I call them pie margin like bumps
around their rim of the clipeus.
0:33:6.530 --> 0:33:18.950
Droege, Sam
Umm. And mandible, usually with a free apical or medial tooth. I'm gonna show
that because Tricosa has no teeth whatsoever down there. It's just one big
smooth line. It's.
0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.850
Droege, Sam
The species group that we most similar.
0:33:23.570 --> 0:33:23.830
Droege, Sam
But.
0:33:24.940 --> 0:33:27.530
Droege, Sam
There are plenty of alternative.
0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:29.670
Droege, Sam
Views here.
0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:45.330
Droege, Sam
Umm, I believe Diane Tedium uses resin and other things to make nests. Its Miss
Ness sound of someone could look that up. That would be awesome. And so these
big flat blade like as well as anthidium entity element at least.
0:33:46.40 --> 0:33:52.250
Droege, Sam
Anthidium tend to be more fiber oriented. Maybe that's why they have teeth and
not big flat spatulas.
0:33:53.350 --> 0:33:56.560
Droege, Sam
So in looking here.
0:33:57.460 --> 0:34:0.190
Droege, Sam
We have the.
0:34:2.70 --> 0:34:2.510
Droege, Sam
Edge.
0:34:3.250 --> 0:34:8.290
Droege, Sam
I think this one might be easier to see. The one on the lower part of your
screen.
0:34:10.740 --> 0:34:12.280
Droege, Sam
It's lapping the other anyway.
0:34:13.30 --> 0:34:26.770
Droege, Sam
So here we have the tip, which is usually would be called the first tooth maybe
the IT would be simple if it was only that, and then there's a second tooth and
sometimes these corners are called third teeth, depending on who you're talking
to.
0:34:28.300 --> 0:34:33.140
Droege, Sam
Uh, so in tricosa this is just big one broad blade.
0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:37.410
Droege, Sam
Fun.
0:34:38.310 --> 0:34:42.820
Droege, Sam
OK, so I think we have gone through the anti texana.
0:34:43.660 --> 0:34:44.110
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:34:45.500 --> 0:34:50.890
Droege, Sam
Identification marks. Let's see where we go to next. We're still in the
females. Then we come to.
0:34:52.510 --> 0:34:57.810
Droege, Sam
Concinna versus concinnum versus the remaining species we have.
0:34:58.750 --> 0:35:11.90
Droege, Sam
Provide them on deck here. Consider them as much smaller than curvatum. So if
we look at the alternatives, since we have the species here already area just
behind the ohh, we get to do even more.
0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:13.480
Droege, Sam
Umm fun.
0:35:14.940 --> 0:35:16.170
Droege, Sam
Work on.
0:35:17.980 --> 0:35:28.890
Droege, Sam
Difficult to see sometimes characters and loading this up, so the post
spiracular Corina so area just behind the post.
0:35:29.870 --> 0:35:37.790
Droege, Sam
The proposal post spherical spiracular Corina in punctate, so there's a patch
behind the.
0:35:38.230 --> 0:35:51.40
Droege, Sam
Umm, the spherical which does have a Corina, so a little raised area on the
podium that has no pits. That's what we're gonna look for. And let's see if we
can find that.
0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:53.320
Droege, Sam
Here.
0:35:55.340 --> 0:36:9.530
Droege, Sam
It's hard to see. So we have a couple problems. One wings, other is abdomen and
shift it to here and see how I need to approach this. So these sphericals
that's like the.
0:36:10.410 --> 0:36:12.850
Droege, Sam
Uh, no breathing port. Let's call it.
0:36:13.620 --> 0:36:14.210
Droege, Sam
Or.
0:36:16.740 --> 0:36:18.580
Droege, Sam
The species.
0:36:24.460 --> 0:36:25.570
Droege, Sam
And.
0:36:27.70 --> 0:36:39.910
Droege, Sam
Often that area is got some modifications going on. Hmm. Can I see it there?
They're small. OK, so we're at the edge right now. So this is just maybe a good
place to start.
0:36:42.110 --> 0:36:42.450
Droege, Sam
All right.
0:36:43.460 --> 0:36:46.440
Droege, Sam
There is the skukum scutellum.
0:36:47.330 --> 0:37:9.190
Droege, Sam
Tegula this is the mazeppa sternum or the plural of the side. We're looking at
the podium. Here's the Carina between one of the other plates. Maybe the Med
EPI sternum and here is the spherical. Let's get even closer if we can. So this
is one of a couple breathing holes.
0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.710
Droege, Sam
Umm for this animal.
0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:19.670
Droege, Sam
And it's a little bit hard to see we're going to change the angle here, but
there's a Corina.
0:37:20.470 --> 0:37:26.850
Droege, Sam
Off to this side and then when Mike talks about behind, I believe he's talking
about the surface, which we can't see right now.
0:37:28.110 --> 0:37:36.880
Droege, Sam
And that should be shiny and not hairy in this species and all the others
except for concinna. So let's see.
0:37:39.270 --> 0:37:44.880
Droege, Sam
If we can seek, the problem is now angle of the abdomen and angle.
0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:53.730
Droege, Sam
Of the wings preventing us so a little trick is that sometimes you can.
0:37:55.710 --> 0:37:58.950
Droege, Sam
Bend the abdomen with your finger and it won't snap off.
0:38:0.390 --> 0:38:10.540
Droege, Sam
No, not great for specimens, but sometimes you have these really long strings
of things you really do wanna see in there. I've never. I don't think I've ever
had them actually snap off.
0:38:11.860 --> 0:38:16.680
Droege, Sam
So in a lot of times he really this is a rich area, particularly osmia.
0:38:18.30 --> 0:38:20.500
Droege, Sam
That you really do need to see some stuff.
0:38:22.140 --> 0:38:26.30
Droege, Sam
So you might play around with that on more expendable specimens.
0:38:27.250 --> 0:38:31.650
Droege, Sam
See where the limits are alright? I I switched to the other side with hope.
0:38:32.850 --> 0:38:35.560
Droege, Sam
That we could see that area.
0:38:37.390 --> 0:38:39.160
Droege, Sam
And it's.
0:38:40.330 --> 0:38:41.520
Droege, Sam
Hard to.
0:38:42.730 --> 0:38:44.240
Droege, Sam
Or to see here.
0:38:47.580 --> 0:38:47.990
Droege, Sam
You know.
0:38:50.830 --> 0:38:51.340
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:38:53.240 --> 0:39:6.460
Droege, Sam
Right. So it's right in there. That's the spherical Corina. But the wings are
in the way. So I'm I'm gonna explain to snap the wing back so another little
trick but more.
0:39:7.780 --> 0:39:15.670
Droege, Sam
Deleterious to the specimen is you can take a pin. I'm not gonna try and show
that under wall.
0:39:16.410 --> 0:39:24.310
Droege, Sam
Umm we have it on the under the microscope, but you take a pin, you run it up
to the base of the wing.
0:39:25.390 --> 0:39:28.690
Droege, Sam
Well, our our two of them and then you just lift it.
0:39:30.110 --> 0:39:39.300
Droege, Sam
Most of the time it just cracks it cause it's just done and the wing stays on.
But again, you've now made it looser and.
0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:45.50
Droege, Sam
It's not a great thing to do for specimens. There's a big clot of stuff here.
0:39:47.70 --> 0:39:48.510
Droege, Sam
You see, if I can get that off.
0:39:49.490 --> 0:39:51.360
Droege, Sam
Umm but again.
0:39:50.620 --> 0:39:53.390
Maffei, Clare J
While you're while you're doing that, let me read something gene just shared.
0:39:53.890 --> 0:39:54.160
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:40:5.260 --> 0:40:5.620
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:39:54.230 --> 0:40:15.400
Maffei, Clare J
Umm, excuse me? Permissioned or 2007 nests of Diane Phonium usually consist of
several cells that are made of pebbles stuck together by matrix of resin and
attached to rock surfaces or twigs of bushes or trees. Some species, however,
make resin cells using pebbles and Chaffin holes in.
0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:18.930
Maffei, Clare J
In banks or in holes in wood or stems.
0:40:21.210 --> 0:40:25.700
Droege, Sam
So it sounds like. Thank you, gene, sounds like resin is like a.
0:40:26.720 --> 0:40:27.160
Droege, Sam
A theme.
0:40:27.980 --> 0:40:30.690
Droege, Sam
And the exact location.
0:40:32.740 --> 0:40:34.110
Droege, Sam
Is.
0:40:37.580 --> 0:40:41.730
Droege, Sam
Variable my species. OK, so I've snapped off the wing.
0:40:42.540 --> 0:40:45.70
Droege, Sam
I haven't stamped it off. I snapped it back. It's still there.
0:40:46.30 --> 0:40:50.100
Droege, Sam
And now we're going to zero in, because you can see.
0:40:51.470 --> 0:40:59.700
Droege, Sam
This area I'm trying to get the angle right though this is just a tough one,
it's worth a little bit of time here.
0:41:1.450 --> 0:41:5.340
Droege, Sam
There it is at the upper right to locate.
0:41:6.120 --> 0:41:8.970
Droege, Sam
Because it's just one of those head scratchers.
0:41:12.270 --> 0:41:21.70
Droege, Sam
And you, you know, depending on the species group, sometimes it's useful to
talk about it. Alright, so we're gonna put my glasses on here.
0:41:23.900 --> 0:41:32.630
Droege, Sam
I'm going to boost up the so this is the area. Here's the Marina and the
spherical is in there. But this is not.
0:41:33.460 --> 0:41:36.540
Droege, Sam
Enough light and it's dark, so we're going to.
0:41:37.790 --> 0:41:38.380
Droege, Sam
Bump it.
0:41:39.740 --> 0:41:42.350
Droege, Sam
Up to 400.
0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:44.440
Droege, Sam
And.
0:41:46.140 --> 0:41:46.650
Droege, Sam
There.
0:41:50.610 --> 0:41:52.110
Droege, Sam
And.
0:41:52.930 --> 0:41:56.640
Droege, Sam
I think, yeah, I want to bend the.
0:41:57.460 --> 0:41:58.390
Droege, Sam
Specimen.
0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:1.50
Droege, Sam
More to the side here.
0:42:2.50 --> 0:42:4.840
Droege, Sam
Inverter to get the look.
0:42:5.590 --> 0:42:8.160
Droege, Sam
You can see like this is not a straightforward.
0:42:9.760 --> 0:42:11.620
Droege, Sam
Oops, just not specimen off. It's.
0:42:12.260 --> 0:42:12.770
Droege, Sam
Pinned.
0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.270
Droege, Sam
Not a straightforward thing.
0:42:22.390 --> 0:42:22.850
Droege, Sam
All right.
0:42:24.50 --> 0:42:25.290
Droege, Sam
Let's get in there.
0:42:29.590 --> 0:42:30.820
Droege, Sam
Nice.
0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:41.950
Droege, Sam
OK, so this is good. I don't know why it's so nice, but you can see.
0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:47.260
Droege, Sam
Here's a spherical here's the Carina. This is the meta notum.
0:42:48.140 --> 0:42:52.10
Droege, Sam
This or that might be the meta node, I'm it's not clear.
0:42:52.780 --> 0:42:53.530
Droege, Sam
Rescue tone.
0:42:54.470 --> 0:42:57.300
Droege, Sam
And it's going a little bit out of focus.
0:42:58.470 --> 0:43:11.660
Droege, Sam
So the area they're talking about, like was talking about should be when he
talked about behind it should be right here. So again, it's one of those things
that you would like more pictures and clarity.
0:43:12.330 --> 0:43:13.230
Droege, Sam
David, are you listening?
0:43:13.870 --> 0:43:15.930
Droege, Sam
Umm and.
0:43:16.900 --> 0:43:28.70
Droege, Sam
So this is the area that's relatively not hairy. In fact, it's not hairy at all
and relatively not pitted. And we're going to look at Concinnum and try and
find that too.
0:43:29.180 --> 0:43:32.0
Droege, Sam
OK, so backing off.
0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:43.390
Droege, Sam
Very nice. You can see that Corina very nicely. There. A lot of times again,
it's dark and stuff's going on. So we're. I feel good about being able to see
that one.
0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:45.250
Droege, Sam
All right, let's go back.
0:43:46.620 --> 0:43:47.430
Droege, Sam
To.
0:43:48.980 --> 0:43:51.30
Droege, Sam
Uh, because I could hear.
0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:53.970
Droege, Sam
So.
0:43:55.120 --> 0:44:7.300
Droege, Sam
Behind that area, it's unpitted glabrous, so without hairs shiny and then also
clippies yellow, at least in part that straightforward. We're not gonna bother.
0:44:8.340 --> 0:44:37.310
Droege, Sam
Ohh Mel malice variable in our species, which we'll see later. It's got that
partial one, but in concinna the analysis incomplete and we are going to be
looking at the area behind the Corina again. But it's pitted, hairy, not shiny.
So let's see if we can now find that in our concinnum specimen.
0:44:38.10 --> 0:44:42.630
Droege, Sam
The sleeve. There's been nothing doing damage to these specimens.
0:44:43.430 --> 0:44:45.210
Droege, Sam
Right, so I have.
0:44:47.530 --> 0:44:49.600
Droege, Sam
The consent him. Me get rid of.
0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.150
Droege, Sam
This which also I think has a black clipeus which is.
0:44:55.180 --> 0:44:58.870
Droege, Sam
Super useful. Much more easy to spot than.
0:45:0.680 --> 0:45:2.50
Droege, Sam
A spherical.
0:45:2.880 --> 0:45:5.180
Droege, Sam
Mysterious spherical item.
0:45:8.90 --> 0:45:8.580
Droege, Sam
Great.
0:45:9.520 --> 0:45:10.150
Droege, Sam
Consider.
0:45:12.770 --> 0:45:18.860
Droege, Sam
This one has its wing already bent up and I chose it for that. I have more
specimens than that one.
0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:29.870
Droege, Sam
And let's, I don't know. Let's. I've got a lot of light on there. Now let's
continue with that and see if we can just get right in there again.
0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:41.810
Droege, Sam
Boom, boom, boom.
0:45:41.890 --> 0:45:42.690
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:45:43.620 --> 0:45:44.50
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:45:54.390 --> 0:45:56.710
Droege, Sam
You know, one of the things they did say it was Harry.
0:45:58.620 --> 0:45:59.710
Droege, Sam
In that area.
0:46:5.890 --> 0:46:8.0
Droege, Sam
Trying again oriented here myself.
0:46:11.740 --> 0:46:12.540
Droege, Sam
So.
0:46:14.540 --> 0:46:18.330
Droege, Sam
This should be the prodigium actually.
0:46:19.990 --> 0:46:24.700
Droege, Sam
Is that a leg alright, I need to. I need to look at this specimen.
0:46:28.690 --> 0:46:29.390
Droege, Sam
Find it.
0:46:30.170 --> 0:46:33.370
Droege, Sam
Oh, I see, that's a OHV area of.
0:46:34.820 --> 0:46:35.600
Droege, Sam
Damage.
0:46:37.140 --> 0:46:39.130
Droege, Sam
We're going further down.
0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:46.10
Droege, Sam
And.
0:46:52.590 --> 0:46:54.10
Droege, Sam
See if we can find it here.
0:46:57.950 --> 0:47:1.870
Droege, Sam
One of the problems is Mike's use of the word behind.
0:47:11.140 --> 0:47:14.980
Droege, Sam
Is why I believe this is concinnum. I'm not super convinced.
0:47:16.140 --> 0:47:20.130
Droege, Sam
I'm looking at exactly the right side of the.
0:47:23.210 --> 0:47:23.940
Droege, Sam
Spherical.
0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:27.270
Droege, Sam
Why is Mike gone?
0:47:30.170 --> 0:47:32.680
Droege, Sam
So this is the area in here.
0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:50.490
Droege, Sam
Got the one of the problems is the abdomen. So here's the the Unpitted area of
the prodigal triangle. So this is a podium and the spherical area. So it's
difficult to see, maybe because it is hairy.
0:47:51.950 --> 0:47:53.590
Droege, Sam
Is over.
0:47:55.350 --> 0:47:57.500
Droege, Sam
In this area here.
0:48:2.90 --> 0:48:14.480
Droege, Sam
So this I believe is the Corina right there and this area right here is the
area that's pitted and Harry, which certainly matches that.
0:48:15.770 --> 0:48:21.340
Droege, Sam
I'm going to do one more attempt at a shallower angle.
0:48:24.780 --> 0:48:25.670
Droege, Sam
Had seen that.
0:48:26.420 --> 0:48:27.130
Droege, Sam
May have to.
0:48:28.420 --> 0:48:34.570
Droege, Sam
Mike has no Internet, so we can't bug him today, but it would be nice to
revisit this with him.
0:48:36.420 --> 0:48:37.490
Droege, Sam
At some point.
0:48:44.30 --> 0:48:45.600
Droege, Sam
We doing for time there, Claire.
0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:48.900
Maffei, Clare J
You got 10 minutes.
0:48:49.190 --> 0:48:51.0
Droege, Sam
OK, alright.
0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:55.30
Droege, Sam
Get out of this land here in a second.
0:48:57.390 --> 0:48:58.970
Droege, Sam
But I know I have.
0:48:59.710 --> 0:49:2.960
Droege, Sam
I just don't. I think that last view was the best one.
0:49:8.630 --> 0:49:9.440
Droege, Sam
We're at the.
0:49:11.820 --> 0:49:12.810
Droege, Sam
And.
0:49:15.40 --> 0:49:19.260
Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's we're looking at kind of straight down now.
0:49:20.420 --> 0:49:30.670
Droege, Sam
And I I just don't think I can get a better shot of it than that. Anyway, the
other ones showed up. The Corina nicely. You have a general idea of where we're
looking and in.
0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:35.70
Droege, Sam
Uh concinna. We're looking at a.
0:49:36.330 --> 0:49:45.420
Droege, Sam
Black Clipeus, which we don't need to see because it's just simply black. And
let's see what other characters we can pick up here.
0:49:48.380 --> 0:50:18.530
Droege, Sam
In our exploration, OK, so back up again. So we're looking at this, the
difference between continuum and the other species that are following in terms
of could be us all black. That seems like the easy one. O'Neil is incomplete.
So we saw an incomplete umalis on the other one. But the IT does have an
incomplete one. But if you had a species that had complete, you know, it would not
be concinnum. But if it was incomplete.
0:50:18.610 --> 0:50:48.580
Droege, Sam
That doesn't necessarily discriminate the two because Mike is saying here
malice variable. OK, so I don't have ookii, but I do have the remaining. So we
look at the alternatives to ookii. So punctures or pitting of scutum very close
but with very narrow shiny interspaces and similar in size to the pits on the
skew Tellem, OK, we can see that and take a look at that.
0:50:48.710 --> 0:50:55.600
Droege, Sam
I'm Allison complete alright and I guess it this is the one where the analysis
is complete.
0:50:56.350 --> 0:51:13.690
Droege, Sam
Sadly, so we saw the an incomplete analysis in the curvatum that we just saw at
the beginning of the Diantha idiom adventure, and I'm gonna pull out that
curvatum again and we'll look at the pitting on the skukum.
0:51:14.470 --> 0:51:16.450
Droege, Sam
And let's just see if there's anything else.
0:51:17.510 --> 0:51:34.40
Droege, Sam
Umm, he's a plura all black, so that would be these episternal or simply the
plura. That's a lot of people call it without a yellow spot. OK, so, gosh,
those are much nicer characters. Let's bring the.
0:51:36.340 --> 0:51:36.960
Droege, Sam
Lighting.
0:51:38.650 --> 0:51:39.420
Droege, Sam
Packed down.
0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:42.810
Droege, Sam
To 100.
0:51:43.650 --> 0:51:44.460
Droege, Sam
Maybe 200?
0:51:48.40 --> 0:51:51.670
Droege, Sam
And let's take this specimen down there.
0:52:0.700 --> 0:52:3.190
Droege, Sam
Bring this up so the pitting.
0:52:4.990 --> 0:52:6.980
Droege, Sam
Is in this species.
0:52:7.770 --> 0:52:8.330
Droege, Sam
Group.
0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:20.740
Droege, Sam
Will be tight, but there's shiny spaces in between, so there's not overlapping
and it's similar in size to the scutellum.
0:52:23.370 --> 0:52:28.180
Droege, Sam
Little bit difficult to tell since she's telling is very light colored.
0:52:29.580 --> 0:52:30.700
Droege, Sam
In this case.
0:52:37.630 --> 0:52:42.460
Droege, Sam
Similar, although my eye says that the scutellum is a little bit bigger.
0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:55.740
Droege, Sam
Then there and also let's see, I think he said medially cause here you can see
now these pits are beginning to overlap and or at least touch. Let's see in my
Skype here what he's talking about.
0:52:56.940 --> 0:52:58.150
Droege, Sam
Umm so.
0:52:58.910 --> 0:53:6.520
Droege, Sam
The alternative, so the ochiai pictures of skewed. I'm very dancing contiguous,
so basically all touching without shiny interspaces.
0:53:7.370 --> 0:53:10.960
Droege, Sam
In a smaller than the uh pits on the skew Tellem.
0:53:12.430 --> 0:53:40.220
Droege, Sam
And which do have shiny bonaro interspaces and the malice complete. So here the
alternative would be pits of skewed them very close, but with narrow shiny interspaces
and similar size to the pits on the scutellum omalos incomplete. Yes, he's a
plural, all black without yellow spot. So like a lot of these things you want
more than one character. So I'm looking at this and I'm like, OK.
0:53:41.590 --> 0:53:43.660
Droege, Sam
That seems to be.
0:53:44.720 --> 0:53:50.30
Droege, Sam
To me, to be ambiguous like do I see?
0:53:51.340 --> 0:53:56.500
Droege, Sam
The UM shiny inner spaces in between. I'd wanna see the alternative species.
0:53:57.460 --> 0:53:59.300
Droege, Sam
Uh to in order to determine that?
0:54:0.790 --> 0:54:4.640
Droege, Sam
And I also think that the pits on the scutellum.
0:54:5.460 --> 0:54:6.600
Droege, Sam
Are a little bit bigger.
0:54:7.990 --> 0:54:15.660
Droege, Sam
My eye, at least. So let's look at some of these other features, which
basically are.
0:54:16.790 --> 0:54:21.140
Droege, Sam
What's going on? Uh mazeppa. Sternum or miso plural as he calls it.
0:54:22.850 --> 0:54:23.530
Droege, Sam
And.
0:54:24.830 --> 0:54:25.660
Droege, Sam
Get in there.
0:54:29.500 --> 0:54:31.370
Droege, Sam
And see if it's all black.
0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:35.530
Droege, Sam
As per not consent them.
0:54:36.550 --> 0:54:37.120
Droege, Sam
And.
0:54:39.40 --> 0:54:40.450
Droege, Sam
Appropriate for.
0:54:41.190 --> 0:54:42.20
Droege, Sam
Curvatum.
0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:46.110
Droege, Sam
When is it not focusing? Oh, there we go.
0:54:47.40 --> 0:54:59.230
Droege, Sam
You're right. So here's our incomplete Corina. I'll focus it a little bit
better here of the amalis. Here's the lateral Carina of the cheek.
0:55:0.450 --> 0:55:0.900
Droege, Sam
Or.
0:55:2.550 --> 0:55:30.900
Droege, Sam
I recalled it and when we're looking at this, so these EPI sternum or the meesa
plura is the section below the front wing. So there's the tegula, the front
wing and this whole section would be what we're looking for. And it is indeed
all black without a yellow spot many, many times. It seems like an
embellishment within bees is to stick some yellow right in the middle of that.
0:55:32.140 --> 0:55:32.810
Droege, Sam
So.
0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:40.940
Droege, Sam
Welcome to the ambiguous world of some of these characters.
0:55:41.970 --> 0:55:43.300
Droege, Sam
OK, so now.
0:55:43.760 --> 0:56:14.390
Droege, Sam
Umm, we have. So we're we've kind of explored the differences between the
missing in action, will kiai and the others which include curvatum and simile.
So Mike has a note here which is I think on the books they're separate species.
Basically curvatum is southern and simile is up north and he as you can read
says that the coloration is less up north but everything else seems to be the
same. So probably they're the same thing.
0:56:15.180 --> 0:56:26.100
Droege, Sam
And there's a differentiation between this group and subgroup Fulham, which is
again a western and more and uncommon species.
0:56:27.20 --> 0:56:36.50
Droege, Sam
So here the four coxa with a short blunt ****** like hispid process between the
four trochanters. Let's see if we can find that.
0:56:45.970 --> 0:56:46.400
Droege, Sam
So.
0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:46.710
Droege, Sam
To.
0:56:47.590 --> 0:56:52.430
Droege, Sam
The four trochanters. So four of meaning the basically front legs.
0:56:53.250 --> 0:57:3.400
Droege, Sam
And Trochanters would not be the Coxwell which we saw and looked at the last
time. I think I misspoke when I said that the.
0:57:5.170 --> 0:57:7.180
Droege, Sam
We were also going to be looking for.
0:57:8.280 --> 0:57:11.170
Droege, Sam
The blunt tip to the **** seat in the front legs.
0:57:13.110 --> 0:57:15.670
Droege, Sam
Because it looks like it's a.
0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:19.160
Droege, Sam
Some kind of bump, let's call it.
0:57:20.140 --> 0:57:20.780
Droege, Sam
Here.
0:57:21.890 --> 0:57:25.210
Droege, Sam
Need to focus on getting this in view.
0:57:26.580 --> 0:57:31.360
Droege, Sam
Between the front trochanters trick cancers are the second set.
0:57:32.900 --> 0:57:34.500
Droege, Sam
Uh leg segments.
0:57:44.710 --> 0:57:46.60
Droege, Sam
All right, so.
0:57:48.860 --> 0:57:51.930
Droege, Sam
Should be visible so here.
0:57:52.730 --> 0:58:2.520
Droege, Sam
Coxa coxa the there is these little projections like on the hindocha, but it
sounds like that's not what he's talking about. Here's the trochanters.
0:58:3.280 --> 0:58:3.960
Droege, Sam
And.
0:58:5.50 --> 0:58:6.650
Droege, Sam
Mike says.
0:58:8.140 --> 0:58:10.790
Droege, Sam
Umm, it's not something I'm familiar with.
0:58:11.500 --> 0:58:12.810
Droege, Sam
UH-4 coxy.
0:58:13.570 --> 0:58:20.650
Droege, Sam
Oh, for coxy, each with a very blunt ******, like has been processed. But it
says between the four trochanters.
0:58:23.630 --> 0:58:26.420
Droege, Sam
Umm, I don't know why.
0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:28.880
Droege, Sam
Between the fortran.
0:58:29.860 --> 0:58:36.740
Droege, Sam
I think I'm not sure we'll have to talk to Mike, but if we look here, we're
seeing the same process. Let's see if I can zoom it up.
0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:38.940
Maffei, Clare J
O.
0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:41.120
Droege, Sam
Umm that we saw in the behind coxa.
0:58:42.270 --> 0:58:42.520
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:58:41.570 --> 0:58:48.380
Maffei, Clare J
Sam, I'm wondering if it doesn't. If they're not. If he's not indicating to
like kind of the bottom of the, we have an error, yeah.
0:58:50.0 --> 0:58:50.460
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:58:52.780 --> 0:58:53.620
Droege, Sam
Yeah, right.
0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:57.30
Maffei, Clare J
So the the the place where we usually look for a spine, right? There's clearly
some stuff hanging out there, but we could maybe give him some wording feedback.
0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:0.900
Droege, Sam
Yeah, that might be, yeah. So for example.
0:59:2.420 --> 0:59:5.390
Droege, Sam
I think that the use of the four.
0:59:6.150 --> 0:59:35.920
Droege, Sam
Trochanters threw me off because this is the same kind of thing that happens in
nomada, so there's these front Coxwell spines, and they're exactly the same
place. What's their use? I don't know, but some of the groups in Noman are very
nicely because there's not a lot of characters sometimes that are in nomada
have spine. Sometimes they're blunt, sometimes they're quite long. And this is
a very similar kind of circumstance. So these have them and subproof full them.
0:59:36.260 --> 0:59:39.640
Droege, Sam
If that's the right way, you pronounce it, do not have them.
0:59:53.110 --> 0:59:53.560
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:55.160
Droege, Sam
So and the trochanters I guess was just a I don't know, it's just distracted
me. So I think that might be a good place to stop and we can work on the males.
0:59:55.740 --> 0:59:56.410
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:59:57.200 --> 1:0:1.160
Droege, Sam
Next, I know the we were on the females. Ohh maybe I.
1:0:1.970 --> 1:0:3.260
Droege, Sam
OK. Yeah, got it.
1:0:5.30 --> 1:0:8.790
Droege, Sam
Did I go through the meals? I did. I think I went through everything then.
1:0:11.470 --> 1:0:11.900
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:0:12.670 --> 1:0:13.120
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:0:8.930 --> 1:0:18.650
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, we got the the very tidy, very nice, neat package we just got through
though we could. I'll make a note in my things to just like loop background
without with Mike next week.
1:0:19.350 --> 1:0:19.570
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
1:0:19.290 --> 1:0:23.380
Maffei, Clare J
Are we meeting next week? I feel like I thought that there was a thing happening.
1:0:23.480 --> 1:0:26.230
Droege, Sam
Umm, I think we are.
1:0:30.160 --> 1:0:30.380
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
1:0:31.480 --> 1:0:33.540
Droege, Sam
And it's just not US, yeah.
1:0:25.780 --> 1:0:34.940
Maffei, Clare J
Oh, yes. Ah, next week we're gonna have Jamie Strange on to talk about
bumblebees. It is the following week that we are not on.
1:0:35.580 --> 1:0:36.100
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:0:36.840 --> 1:0:58.560
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So eastern bumblebees with Jamie, we can ask all about your questions
about the tricky ID pairs and I don't is he limiting, I can't remember. Is he
limiting himself to the east now because he's from the West, so or at least
been a quite a bit of time at the Logan lab.
1:0:59.750 --> 1:1:0.110
Droege, Sam
You know.
1:1:4.260 --> 1:1:4.690
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:0:59.40 --> 1:1:7.570
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, I actually think that he might be talking to up. I need to call him
anyway for a tech check and I will know the answer to the question then.
1:1:8.140 --> 1:1:8.460
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:1:11.400 --> 1:1:18.240
Maffei, Clare J
Great. And I'll send out another e-mail of a reminder e-mail because that's a
fun, you know, thing and you can tell your friends about it.
1:1:19.640 --> 1:1:19.990
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
1:1:19.140 --> 1:1:23.820
Maffei, Clare J
And have come visit, come visit us and learn about bumblebees with Jamie.
1:1:26.440 --> 1:1:26.760
Maffei, Clare J
Great.
1:1:26.380 --> 1:1:33.910
Droege, Sam
OK. Do we have any other questions or comments about the colorful?
1:1:36.50 --> 1:1:36.430
Droege, Sam
Groups.
1:1:35.480 --> 1:1:36.670
Maffei, Clare J
There's nothing else in the chat.
1:1:37.780 --> 1:1:38.110
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:1:41.400 --> 1:1:41.780
Droege, Sam
All right.
1:1:40.360 --> 1:1:41.970
Maffei, Clare J
OK, Pam. UM.
1:1:42.660 --> 1:1:46.20
Maffei, Clare J
I'll stop the recording and we'll see you next week.
1:1:46.760 --> 1:1:50.730
Droege, Sam
Right. We will be off scavenging lab equipment.