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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Droege, Sam
Great. Well, people should be aware that there's a a a coauthored by Mike, our duzer new paper out. So Mike, why are you talk a little bit about that?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, it's, uh. Basically broadly speaking, it addresses all the green helictite ones. They all go chlorines.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
In in the greater Midwest, and then touches on some extra limital.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Questions about certain species in that group, but it basically changes some names. I mean, I'll go chlorosis Metallica Fogeda is now officially. I'll go chlorosis curricula and there's ample.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Images and keys in this in the publication and.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Zach Zach Portman did all the heavy lifting and I kind of got Terry Long, so that's very fortunate.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, but it's it's Open Access in Zookeys and if you're interested in the greenheck dines in the Midwest, this is probably worth looking into sumptuous a. Also, a corpse assumption. OSHA got split into east and West, so the one on the where you guys are east of the mountains.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's sumptuous a but the one in the Midwest and further W into the Great Plains.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's humeralis and these are all existing names that were had been synonymized by previous authors we Zach drug dug up all the types and kind of looked at everything and.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's the outcome.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Now to chlorosis in general. It's so huge genus. When it's once you get down in Mexico and Central America and South America, they're over 100 species and no one's ever tackled the genus at the genus level. So there's still a lot of a lot of work to be done with that group.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I remember looking through a bunch of Texas stuff and going like ohh my gosh, what am I supposed to do with this?

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Droege, Sam
Right.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There are some big question marks. Yeah, we don't really didn't have enough material to really address it. Had to stop somewhere. So we stopped with them at least.

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Droege, Sam
So yeah, because where, where do you stop really?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.

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Droege, Sam
And so updates of databases and we'll have to update the.

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Droege, Sam
The the guides to and we have new species, just all of a sudden to add to our list, yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No names. Yeah, yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Great. So I will share my screen.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
We did our yeah.

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Droege, Sam
And we will jump to the anthidium guide. We're into the females. I think I wanna say that we discuss manicad him and it's bumpy rim, but did we did we should do that OK.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
All right. And then we went down to oblongata, him and I.

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Droege, Sam
Umm, I'm not sure, but I believe in the mails at least we saw the pronotal lobe really interesting.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that's how we finished. We finished up with that.

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Droege, Sam
Being let me get my screen thing set up here.

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Droege, Sam
And that's where we stopped. And right now I think on screen you can see just to in contrast with oblong with Manichaeism. Here's what most of the anthidium rims of the clipeus look like, which is basically just more or less straight across and not the kind of architecture. So manipulate them and sort of projects out. And there's bumps like a pie crust all the way around and in the others, it's pretty much plain and straight across.

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Droege, Sam
So.

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Droege, Sam
We'll go to Mikes Key now.

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Droege, Sam
And.

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Droege, Sam
See I have anthidium here.

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Droege, Sam
Set up and I think, yeah. I've taken it down to. So we talked about Manichaeism straight line clippies here we have Pablo and Gotham. We looked at the.

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Droege, Sam
Nice high line edging or the lamella.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah. To our Lamela around the pronotal lobe, which I believe is unique only to obligate them and at least in our.

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Droege, Sam
Eastern species.

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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Is that right, Mike?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah, I think so, yeah.

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Maffei, Clare J
Would you mind clicking the X on the navigation and on the update now so we can get the maximum view here?

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Droege, Sam
So.

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Droege, Sam
Back here.

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Droege, Sam
Ohh.

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Maffei, Clare J
No, no, on your screen there, but like closing the bar on the left and the, you'll let yellow bar on the top.

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Droege, Sam
I see. I see.

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Droege, Sam
And how do I close this bar?

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Maffei, Clare J
I don't know, but the one on the left you can just hit the X under the navigation.

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Droege, Sam
Oh, I see.

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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah. Thank you.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Droege, Sam
Thank you, Claire.

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Droege, Sam
OK so.

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Droege, Sam
Now.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, yeah, that's.

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Droege, Sam
We get to so those both have their unique, both not native species. So it makes sense that it would have something that the native species don't and then we get down to this couplet where we'll look at 10A flurry and everything else native. And while I'm teeing up my female tennis, flory, Mike, do you wanna talk about the differences there and maybe a little bit about the species too?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. That's primarily a northwestern North American species, and it had never been recorded.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
East of 100 Meridian or even further than that until fairly recently.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm and.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There was a specimen from Isle Royale and maybe more than one. What, maybe 8-9 ten years ago.

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Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.

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Droege, Sam
Yep.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then it's also been found recently in northern northwestern Minnesota. So and again, this is a very far north species and most of us will never see it, but.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know could be over into Maine, could be. And who even northern New York? Who knows. You know those? You know mountain boreal type things that could be there so.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Completely Yep.

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Droege, Sam
And there is a odd distributional pattern, at least a little bit of western rocky specimens arching over and then jumping off above the Great Lakes. And so Ile Royale is basically Canadian fauna and landmass. It's much closer to that than it is certainly to Michigan.

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Droege, Sam
I wish we should give it back to Canada, but.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No.

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Droege, Sam
Uh, at least the bees bees wanna go there.

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Droege, Sam
But we would not have a reason as much reason to go there and look at these weird things I'm looking at, for example, to Foria Mara.

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Droege, Sam
Which is just really cool. Weird, all black, black haired to Foria, which does the same things kind of the same distributional pattern.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So does Osmia, I saw Astralis.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's it's a significant list. Pretty interesting.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That and.

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Droege, Sam
Go ahead.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And yeah, and there are a lot of plants that had that same geographic pattern.

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Droege, Sam
Hmm.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Many of them considered disjunct disjuncts, but maybe maybe we've never collected enough between the Great Lakes and.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alberta, British Columbia, to maybe fill in those gaps. I don't know.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Canadians are working.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah. Well, they're just continues to be lots and lots of weird, disjunct population. That's very difficult in bees in the east, where there has been a fair amount of collecting with mainstem populations in the Midwest just over and over again. That makes you wonder what the heck we're looking at residual ones or just bad collecting in between. So that whole axis of Tennessee, Kentucky.

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Droege, Sam
Southern Ohio. And he actually even still probably a fair amount of Ohio, certainly West Virginia.

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Droege, Sam
Are not.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.

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Droege, Sam
Very well collected, particularly Kentucky and Tennessee, compared to Illinois. And that's where and then even in Illinois, Mike, you have been working with people where you're finding a bunch of new things, even though they had the famous Wally Laberge and predecessors, Robertson clicking the heck out of it, but.

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Droege, Sam
So it's.

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Droege, Sam
It just begs that for more work and a lot of, you know, head scratching over insect apocalypse and beat decline kinds of numbers when we can find these pockets.

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Droege, Sam
That no one knew about it.

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Droege, Sam
OK, so is this the only species in our group? That is all has all black on the head except for these dots up here on the clipeus and Periocular area.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, I think so. Unless you know there's an appearance specimen here there.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I yeah, I think this is that's one thing about this species, it's that it's a lot blacker overall than the rest of our natives.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
In this in the east.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'll do. We'll turn it around here so we can see.

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Droege, Sam
The back a little bit.

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Droege, Sam
And just the vibe on it. But again, in the the group there's some.

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Droege, Sam
Unlike a lot of other things, these I have some pretty good strong characters.

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Droege, Sam
To to play with.

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Droege, Sam
So.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
The exam was this collected from the species on Isle Royal from a number of different sites or just one you remember off top.

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Droege, Sam
I think that was more than one site this I'm looking at whether this one was from my arroyal or or or Badlands stuff.

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Droege, Sam
No, this was our Royale again. So yeah, this was this gal who was there just helping out the Park Service.

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Droege, Sam
And she did a Shelby Wilson. She did a a great job and found all kinds of rare things and didn't have any pins. Like, I got some of these. This one did was on a pin with sewing needles. And I I had a couple that were actually on Cotter pins. So.

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Droege, Sam
Anyway, see dedication for sure.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
But you can see the. Yeah, almost completely, I'd say maybe complete. Looks like a little bit on the tabula yellow thorax.

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Droege, Sam
Uh, and then reduced markings back there too.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
So yeah, it's and I don't think there's been much other work other than Shelby's. I mean, she just was an intern and did a little bit. I just can't imagine that there's not a whole bunch of other cool andrina, for example, and things that might be there.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You gotta wonder, yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
I think they need to pay you to go there, Mike.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't even think they need to pay me.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I've been there several times, but I've never collected there.

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Droege, Sam
Oh, OK. I can't believe that you've been there and weren't collecting.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It was a long time ago.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pre B.

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Droege, Sam
Got it.

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Droege, Sam
All right, so let's go back to here. So another relatively easy one to take care of. So then the rest have at least some manipulations on the clipeus and whether the Periocular area is maculated or not is.

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Droege, Sam
Up for grabs and you have a note here that the rest are fully eastern species with.

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Droege, Sam
Uh, Porter, a being of Western one, right? Is that what what we're looking at?

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Droege, Sam
Ohh OK.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it is. It's, yeah. Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma. But no records.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
East of those.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Great Plains states, but.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, these are strong trees that can disperse great distances, I would imagine. So that's why it's in the key. We think it might show up in Arkansas and Missouri or Iowa some point.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So I I don't have maculosa, but I do have a macula frons and a portrait here to look at.

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Droege, Sam
So although the portrait no, that looks like a female, so we can take that inspection there. Do you have anything you want to talk about macular osum?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know it's. I just at the last moment I put it in the key just because well, you know, maybe it's in Louisiana or Western Arkansas, no records of it.

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Droege, Sam
Umm.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And and but it's in Texas.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
East Texas, so you know.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Just wanna put it in there just in case.

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Droege, Sam
So I'm going to bring up on deck.

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Droege, Sam
Uh Matula fronts and I can't quite remember it's distribution. You know, this one from Florida is this one of the ones that are largely restricted to Florida.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, it's it's, uh, in southern Missouri.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
What else I think as far as far as northernmost records, I think.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, you know, Southern Missouri said it. And southern Illinois, you know.

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Droege, Sam
Umm.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I don't think there are any records from up in the Great Lakes region. I couldn't find anything. So it's, you know, lower Midwest and then I don't know on the East Coast how far it gets up.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Do you have any Maryland record?

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Droege, Sam
I I don't have any, certainly up in Maryland and I don't think it. I wanna say it may only reach up well let's we can we can do a quick dive into that here.

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Droege, Sam
Let's go to the global Mapper and put that in.

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Droege, Sam
Always worth checking out.

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Droege, Sam
Because he was mecula Franz. So we were looking at.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yep. I feel for us.

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Droege, Sam
Too many M ones.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, quite quite extensive numbers.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow.

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Droege, Sam
Oh yeah, you know, it's right. This is comes right up. So I have of course obviously interested in Maryland. It comes right up to Maryland. I believe that's not in Maryland. Yeah. So that's in Dahlgren, which is an Air Force Base. This was just happened this past year.

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Droege, Sam
And you can see that we just identified it a little while ago, but that's literally right across the river.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow, OK.

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Droege, Sam
Uh from Maryland, so it should be in Maryland. Probably is in Maryland given these kinds of patterns.

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Droege, Sam
Right.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, you can see this distribution up here. Looks like West Virginia. Yep. John Asher identifies it and then S. And then there's again this hiatus here that. But this is this is your big uncollected area. That's probably just a Tennessee.

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Droege, Sam
Umm yeah, seeing this as found in Tennessee. But this whole area, like through here, Cumberland Plateau, Southern Hills and Indiana and Iowa are Illinois and throughout Tennessee and Kentucky. Wow. Lots to figure out.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. And in the Midwest, we found it almost exclusively at legumes.

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Droege, Sam
Makes makes sense. A lot of them are legging lovers, that's for sure.

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Droege, Sam
OK, so let's check out here. When we look at the.

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Droege, Sam
Characters T so I've got a shot here. I think teed up of T6, so black versus spotted for pottery.

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Droege, Sam
And let's see if we can center that.

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Droege, Sam
Here we go.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Also pretty reduced and pretty white colored. I think that's that's a a indicative of the species. It's usually a a light white off white color, right.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.

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Droege, Sam
So nothing there. And then our couplet, Mike, indicates that Porter 8 does have.

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Droege, Sam
Accumulations in that segment.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, big ones.

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Droege, Sam
And then Mike, I'm gonna switch to the clipeus and you had I think several Clippy, OL.

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Droege, Sam
Seems to talk about here.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. UM, in an in a number of anthidium females.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I think it's probably over 8910 at least in terms of all new, all of the new world, a number of these females have.

0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:32.550
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.

0:17:25.410 --> 0:17:35.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hairs on the clypeus that are curved or hooked or WAVY, they're not straight, and there's manicad them is like that.

0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:50.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's not native, but it's. It has kind of cooked hairs and parkerized females have. I would call them WAVY hairs, but it's quite obvious and not straight. And if you compare porterai with.

0:17:58.920 --> 0:17:59.200
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:17:51.610 --> 0:18:8.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know macula, Franz, or some of the other species we've been talking about. There's a difference in the here's on the clip is the problem is they wear away and as the ages, so sometimes it's not useful character.

0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:19.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah.

0:18:8.60 --> 0:18:34.190
Droege, Sam
Yeah, and this this is a does appear to be a little bit warm, but also that the bad angle to look for those things, we'll look at them from the side and I've got a Porter A and it does have, I could see without even looking at the microscope, the hair. So that'll be a good indicator. But I believe you also talked about these, what would you call them Clipsal angles or teeth as a difference between the two?

0:18:36.10 --> 0:18:37.410
Droege, Sam
Alright and I mistaken.

0:18:36.620 --> 0:18:38.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Well, it's it's the labrum.

0:18:39.780 --> 0:18:40.880
Droege, Sam
It's the labrum.

0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:47.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
What? Yeah, which is often hidden, but sometimes in portrayed the these tubercles are.

0:18:53.940 --> 0:18:54.570
Droege, Sam
Alright, well.

0:18:48.940 --> 0:18:58.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Big enough, they often show up without having the mandible spread. Not always, but they're. I mean, they're not. They're not little bumps. These are things that stick up and pretty cool.

0:18:57.660 --> 0:19:13.810
Droege, Sam
OK. Well, we'll, we'll pull up a portrait and see if we can find the tubercles. The lack of tubercles are not gonna be particularly obvious on this other one, but let's take macula fronts and turn it to the side and see if we can.

0:19:15.170 --> 0:19:20.60
Droege, Sam
Spot the hairs the straight hair situation.

0:19:22.730 --> 0:19:32.100
Droege, Sam
On this specimen, which does seem to be a bit worn, at least I'm not seeing initially a lot of here there, well, I guess.

0:19:32.350 --> 0:19:33.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that could enough.

0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:34.130
Droege, Sam
You can see, yeah.

0:19:34.970 --> 0:19:36.810
Droege, Sam
I'll bring it into the center there.

0:19:38.900 --> 0:19:39.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Then.

0:19:38.100 --> 0:19:48.610
Droege, Sam
But now we'll flip to the other one. And yeah, there's nothing there that you would call certainly WAVY and not even really angled or occurred so.

0:19:49.470 --> 0:19:53.400
Droege, Sam
Let's look at our alternative species quite different.

0:19:54.350 --> 0:19:57.0
Droege, Sam
And want to make sure I put in this.

0:19:58.130 --> 0:19:59.170
Droege, Sam
Eggs back. Hold on.

0:20:0.680 --> 0:20:2.70
Droege, Sam
Quarterly coming up.

0:20:2.910 --> 0:20:3.910
Droege, Sam
Look at the.

0:20:4.950 --> 0:20:7.540
Droege, Sam
Years off to the side first.

0:20:24.70 --> 0:20:24.730
Droege, Sam
Here it's.

0:20:25.990 --> 0:20:28.150
Droege, Sam
Street named and.

0:20:29.310 --> 0:20:30.510
Droege, Sam
Bring up the.

0:20:37.120 --> 0:20:37.610
Droege, Sam
Level.

0:20:39.690 --> 0:20:40.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Getting there.

0:20:43.990 --> 0:20:44.880
Droege, Sam
Might have to.

0:20:46.260 --> 0:20:46.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean.

0:20:46.90 --> 0:20:52.390
Droege, Sam
I think part of the problem is it's in the middle, so I'm looking we're looking at the side here and.

0:20:51.530 --> 0:20:53.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
On the middles, worn away, OK.

0:20:55.700 --> 0:20:56.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:59.610
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Well, and you can, but I think you can see some of the curved hairs in the middle there amidst all that.

0:20:57.990 --> 0:21:0.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's good. That's good.

0:21:0.980 --> 0:21:5.390
Droege, Sam
I'd, you know, just let me try and brighten this image.

0:21:7.790 --> 0:21:8.560
Droege, Sam
Just a bit.

0:21:12.890 --> 0:21:15.550
Droege, Sam
You know, maybe spin it a little bit too.

0:21:24.120 --> 0:21:24.980
Droege, Sam
Maybe too much.

0:21:30.540 --> 0:21:31.130
Droege, Sam
Dough.

0:21:32.830 --> 0:21:33.830
Droege, Sam
Skip it back up.

0:21:35.860 --> 0:21:36.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. That, that. Yeah.

0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:37.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's good.

0:21:35.570 --> 0:21:39.570
Droege, Sam
So you can start seeing these spins there.

0:21:40.330 --> 0:21:41.400
Droege, Sam
He's turning.

0:21:42.250 --> 0:21:47.610
Droege, Sam
And because it's, we're also seeing it this through the hair.

0:21:49.140 --> 0:21:50.30
Droege, Sam
On the.

0:21:53.140 --> 0:21:53.650
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:21:55.590 --> 0:21:57.580
Droege, Sam
Lateral sides. Let's see if we can.

0:21:58.260 --> 0:21:59.220
Droege, Sam
Yet this.

0:22:1.950 --> 0:22:2.230
Droege, Sam
The.

0:22:3.270 --> 0:22:3.770
Droege, Sam
Bitter.

0:22:5.480 --> 0:22:6.590
Droege, Sam
Even looking at here.

0:22:20.20 --> 0:22:20.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's pretty.

0:22:19.830 --> 0:22:21.170
Droege, Sam
Trying to roll this all the way up.

0:22:26.850 --> 0:22:28.770
Droege, Sam
So yeah, you can see.

0:22:32.700 --> 0:22:36.190
Droege, Sam
Proved hers in there. Not real great.

0:22:35.140 --> 0:22:47.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's not dramatic, but didn't. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, they're clearly not there might be a few straight lines there, but so it's a subtle thing. But if it's a fresh specimen, you can see it pretty clearly.

0:22:48.70 --> 0:22:48.320
Droege, Sam
Yep.

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And there are other bees and other groups that also have.

0:22:52.850 --> 0:22:57.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Non straight hairs on the clypeus or sometimes other parts of the face.

0:22:59.370 --> 0:23:11.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the the word is that these are usually involved with pollen collection, but I have never seen any pollen on the face of any porterie, so I'm not sure what to make of that.

0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:19.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh yeah.

0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:20.90
Droege, Sam
I'm going to bring the light back down, but we're gonna look at T6, which has accumulations on them.

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:21.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Let's see it from here.

0:23:31.620 --> 0:23:32.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Two very big.

0:23:35.230 --> 0:23:36.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sparks.

0:23:36.860 --> 0:23:44.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And all the ones specimens I've seen in the Great Plains look look like that. It's like they're never greatly reduced. They're always quite large and conspicuous.

0:23:45.210 --> 0:23:47.980
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Like we've talked about before.

0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:58.790
Droege, Sam
On these groups, like the face pattern and the the size, shape and cut outs and patterns on the abdomen are often all all you would need for an ID guide.

0:23:59.430 --> 0:24:3.600
Droege, Sam
So there's something for someone to do is to create that ID guide.

0:24:15.10 --> 0:24:15.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah.

0:24:5.370 --> 0:24:22.990
Droege, Sam
So my thought is, since we have some time is to, we could talk about and show a suit anthidium nanum as a contrast and parent bittium juga torium which is native, the other ones not native.

0:24:23.710 --> 0:24:28.730
Droege, Sam
Uh, as a contrast and then go into anthidium anthidium if we wanted to.

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:31.450
Droege, Sam
How does that sound?

0:24:32.470 --> 0:24:33.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, sounds good.

0:24:34.780 --> 0:24:35.410
Droege, Sam
Let's.

0:24:36.530 --> 0:24:40.350
Droege, Sam
All the sudden podium nanum and I've got that.

0:24:41.90 --> 0:24:49.30
Droege, Sam
Up on discover life. So this is a species I. Let's. Let's just see. Here we are in macular fronts or.

0:24:50.70 --> 0:24:57.440
Droege, Sam
What the latest is in terms of its distribution, so my impression is it like super junkie areas?

0:24:57.940 --> 0:25:10.650
Droege, Sam
Uh, like behind car distribute, you know, distributors. And just like in industrial sites, in bulk, downtown Baltimore and New York City.

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:18.0
Droege, Sam
Uh, and it seems to be on cloverly things. I'll say. Alright, so.

0:25:19.350 --> 0:25:20.140
Droege, Sam
It's very small.

0:25:23.500 --> 0:25:24.150
Droege, Sam
And it would.

0:25:21.290 --> 0:25:25.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's one of the hallmarks. Uh, it had the the the females of.

0:25:26.870 --> 0:25:32.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
UH-5, usually 5 teeth, which immediately makes you think of anthidium.

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:33.480
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Now which which has even more but.

0:25:35.490 --> 0:25:37.90
Droege, Sam
They were key key to that.

0:25:42.190 --> 0:25:42.400
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:25:36.710 --> 0:25:42.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes, it would. It would probably key to anthidium in most in most guides and most keys, including Mitchell.

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:43.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:44.330
Droege, Sam
Wow.

0:25:45.100 --> 0:25:50.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, but it's very tiny, 5-6 millimeters generally and.

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:54.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Like saying.

0:25:54.430 --> 0:25:55.350
Droege, Sam
It looks and it.

0:25:56.120 --> 0:25:56.420
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:26:0.510 --> 0:26:0.930
Droege, Sam
Looks.

0:25:56.160 --> 0:26:2.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's an urban areas that we haven't found in Saint Louis. He spent despite a lot of looking. I don't know where that is.

0:26:7.500 --> 0:26:8.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:26:3.820 --> 0:26:9.0
Droege, Sam
Yeah, let's see. Might be a state. Yeah, it's Illinois. So Chicago probably has it.

0:26:9.730 --> 0:26:37.890
Droege, Sam
And so it's Fred pretty quickly since it's discovery, which I wanna say was around 2010 or so in the New York DC access. I think again just because people were looking and now if we look at numbers of records we're seeing like we've collected 19 and there's several other locations, but looks like is this a legit one that Oregon?

0:26:38.390 --> 0:26:39.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Good question.

0:26:51.610 --> 0:26:52.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep there.

0:26:39.10 --> 0:26:54.730
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So John is indicated that someone in Oregon has seen it in Minnesota, so it should be expected pretty much anywhere. I, I would guess, I don't know what it's southern limits are gonna be, but it certainly loved the crappy places.

0:26:56.250 --> 0:27:0.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, Detroit. Chicago seems specimens from Detroit, Chicago, I think, Cleveland.

0:27:2.150 --> 0:27:14.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There was a paper Zach Portman and a bunch of other people were involved with a couple of years ago in Great Lakes entomologist that has extensive images and a lot of descriptions of this species and.

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:19.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Covers it in great detail, so that and that's Open Access.

0:27:22.670 --> 0:27:30.800
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So it's it's got the, it's very tiny, very roundy looking orange legs and.

0:27:31.580 --> 0:27:41.490
Droege, Sam
We take a look on the face. This is another facial thing here and then the we'll look at the discover life but the.

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:44.780
Droege, Sam
The characteristics.

0:27:45.470 --> 0:27:52.690
Droege, Sam
For telling it from anthidium because it does have a fair number of teeth. I don't know if it's always exactly 5, which would be interesting.

0:27:54.140 --> 0:28:1.930
Droege, Sam
But it's an anthidium look alike. It does have a all black clipeus here.

0:28:2.840 --> 0:28:4.350
Droege, Sam
Believe this is a female.

0:28:5.650 --> 0:28:6.280
Droege, Sam
Is it a female?

0:28:14.660 --> 0:28:14.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.

0:28:13.350 --> 0:28:17.860
Droege, Sam
But the now there may be a better way now.

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.590
Droege, Sam
That people are splitting it apart, but.

0:28:22.930 --> 0:28:29.500
Droege, Sam
When we put this into the general guide, which I'm going to jump to here.

0:28:31.470 --> 0:28:39.420
Droege, Sam
Sued entity and versus dentium. They mostly are asking people to look at the rims of the.

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:49.40
Droege, Sam
Tergites and the differences between that on the rims of anthuriums that will try and pull one to look at this too.

0:28:49.710 --> 0:29:1.580
Droege, Sam
The depressed part of the rim. So for people who don't hang out on their on tergites very often, and this is confusing when you first get into it. If you will show a picture.

0:29:3.80 --> 0:29:16.670
Droege, Sam
It's not greatly depressed, so usually you have a the segment T2 let's say and along the rim you have different characteristics and if you look closely at some point.

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:34.0
Droege, Sam
Uh, you know, maybe it depends on the species. Anywhere from I'd say 1/4 to 1/3 of the way back will be a slight change in elevation that is demarked by a a a visible line.

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:44.260
Droege, Sam
That shows a the depressed rim is slightly, so that would be along the rim be slightly lower and the rest of the segment is higher.

0:29:45.180 --> 0:29:49.730
Droege, Sam
Like you can probably articulate that better than I can, but I'll try and lock this up.

0:29:47.670 --> 0:29:54.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No. Yeah. And and it's it's often not dramatic, but it's usually usually stands out if it's present.

0:29:56.70 --> 0:30:1.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Something else about Sudan tedium to anthidium nanum the front femur.

0:30:2.470 --> 0:30:7.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, in the females, and I think maybe the males, I'm not sure it's it's angulate at the base.

0:30:8.550 --> 0:30:12.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And uh, in all the anthidium AMS that I've ever seen is rounded.

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:14.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And.

0:30:14.890 --> 0:30:15.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.

0:30:17.70 --> 0:30:17.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That, yeah.

0:30:15.460 --> 0:30:18.350
Droege, Sam
No, that might be a good one. Alright, we'll take a look here.

0:30:19.330 --> 0:30:19.760
Droege, Sam
Go ahead.

0:30:20.250 --> 0:30:29.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it it's not, you know, angular like a sharp point, but it's definitely not rounded and it seems to be that seems to be a pretty good character.

0:30:30.620 --> 0:30:36.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The other thing is that this group Sudan Titanium in the old World has a bunch of species.

0:30:37.550 --> 0:30:38.190
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:30:57.170 --> 0:30:57.550
Droege, Sam
Right.

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:58.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And and they all. I think there's there's a difficult group. And so who knows? Or maybe another one or two gets introduced. So I mean it just keeps seems to keep happening every year we keep new things keep popping in into this world from the old world. And it seemed to go into it.

0:30:59.850 --> 0:31:2.100
Droege, Sam
And I think they are. They're tricky to tell apart.

0:31:2.260 --> 0:31:3.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh, totally yes.

0:31:4.430 --> 0:31:5.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, that's good.

0:31:6.860 --> 0:31:8.170
Droege, Sam
OK so.

0:31:9.180 --> 0:31:12.560
Droege, Sam
This area right here should be the depressed rim.

0:31:14.60 --> 0:31:18.130
Droege, Sam
And at least I see no other things and theoretically.

0:31:20.270 --> 0:31:22.40
Droege, Sam
So T2 and three.

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:37.600
Droege, Sam
Pitts uniform throughout the central portion of the abdomen. No noticeable shift in size or spacing towards the rim rim area, often with no discernible depression other than the thin unpitted ribbon. OK, that's what we're looking at. So blaming the very edge of the rim.

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:51.880
Droege, Sam
So if we go back here, this area is what they're talking about. And I think what they're indicating is that normally there and we'll, we'll switch back to an invidium that there should be an area further back here.

0:31:52.860 --> 0:31:58.170
Droege, Sam
That is, is depressed, but this is just uniform pits right to the edge.

0:31:59.30 --> 0:32:5.730
Droege, Sam
And I wanna. I'm gonna switch to a anthidium. Let's see if I have a good one to look at here.

0:32:6.760 --> 0:32:11.90
Droege, Sam
To see how this appears in contrast.

0:32:17.80 --> 0:32:19.90
Droege, Sam
Filthies up at the same time.

0:32:33.490 --> 0:32:40.150
Droege, Sam
OK, so I think that's T3. Let's go just to T2 here. Yeah, so.

0:32:42.390 --> 0:32:43.120
Droege, Sam
Here.

0:32:44.580 --> 0:32:45.860
Droege, Sam
Is, I think.

0:32:46.680 --> 0:33:12.660
Droege, Sam
So this is the depressed area. So this is defining. This is throughout of the bee worlds. You have this area where there's a slight elevational change you can see by the reflection here and also right here indicating this would be the depressed area and not sure if we're looking. Are we looking at a rim here or is this the under this is T3.

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:14.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's the. That's the base? Yeah. It's the base of T3, yeah.

0:33:13.530 --> 0:33:16.680
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah. So T3.

0:33:17.820 --> 0:33:24.170
Droege, Sam
Often not exposed like this has been pulled out a little bit. You can see T3, so there would be the actual rim.

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:36.880
Droege, Sam
So we don't have that light colored rim. We do have an actual depressed area here, defined by an edge, and you can see the same edge here. And then let's see what else.

0:33:37.940 --> 0:33:39.860
Droege, Sam
I don't know where I. I think I got this from.

0:33:40.750 --> 0:33:42.170
Droege, Sam
Mitchner's book but.

0:33:42.790 --> 0:33:43.410
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:50.790
Droege, Sam
So if we're looking at anthidium pitch on the depressed rim, smaller, more closely spaced.

0:33:52.450 --> 0:33:53.0
Droege, Sam
That was.

0:33:53.80 --> 0:33:56.350
Droege, Sam
It's not super noticeable, I have to say.

0:33:58.50 --> 0:34:0.190
Droege, Sam
If we're looking at, we're looking at one, I guess.

0:34:1.810 --> 0:34:5.950
Droege, Sam
Probably not, but it's not a. It's not a huge difference.

0:34:6.870 --> 0:34:16.770
Droege, Sam
So if we look at these two depressed rims, so they're supposed to be more closely spaced here on the depressed rim and smaller than in the basal area.

0:34:17.710 --> 0:34:24.990
Droege, Sam
So I think, yeah, if one were inspecting this closely, you could say it, but it's pretty subtle.

0:34:26.150 --> 0:34:26.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:34:27.90 --> 0:34:28.460
Droege, Sam
In this specimen so.

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:39.560
Droege, Sam
Let's we'll go back and look at mikes leg thing 7, Tennell sutures clearly arch outward, and sudo anthidium and.

0:34:40.250 --> 0:34:52.160
Droege, Sam
The 17 osugi straight or nearly so problem hard to see some internal sutures, often for from hairs to just glare. But we'll we'll see if we can see that.

0:34:53.10 --> 0:35:0.0
Droege, Sam
And this is small. These are gonna be smaller than even oblongata, which is probably our smallest and vitium.

0:35:0.870 --> 0:35:4.470
Droege, Sam
And it's, I would say, getting to be less rare.

0:35:5.840 --> 0:35:9.130
Droege, Sam
Should be on everyone's plate to look for in these collections.

0:35:11.990 --> 0:35:15.80
Droege, Sam
Alright, so let's go back.

0:35:16.310 --> 0:35:17.540
Droege, Sam
To here.

0:35:18.750 --> 0:35:19.630
Droege, Sam
And will.

0:35:21.310 --> 0:35:25.840
Droege, Sam
Look at the so we're looking at anthidium here, but I have.

0:35:26.830 --> 0:35:33.20
Droege, Sam
The suit entity M2, so you say there's a leg difference on the front leg, Mike.

0:35:31.710 --> 0:35:35.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, the front, the base of the front femur.

0:35:38.180 --> 0:35:39.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And sometimes the way it you know, they're.

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:42.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Positioned it might be hard to see.

0:35:43.630 --> 0:35:44.20
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:35:44.190 --> 0:35:55.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But the base of the of the front femur, ventrally is is rounded in the anthidium. All the amphibians and incident anthidium it's angulate.

0:36:0.670 --> 0:36:1.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sure, it looks like it.

0:36:2.550 --> 0:36:2.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:35:57.240 --> 0:36:4.140
Droege, Sam
So this should be the front femur here, unless I'm confusing things and so are you talking about here.

0:36:4.900 --> 0:36:5.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:36:5.760 --> 0:36:9.510
Droege, Sam
OK. So just to just essentially a simple curve in.

0:36:10.420 --> 0:36:10.660
Droege, Sam
Right.

0:36:9.170 --> 0:36:11.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes. Yeah, yeah, simple curve.

0:36:11.620 --> 0:36:12.860
Droege, Sam
Right, so now.

0:36:13.630 --> 0:36:15.480
Droege, Sam
Though to.

0:36:16.570 --> 0:36:19.80
Droege, Sam
Seems best when we were looking at for suit Antium.

0:36:19.750 --> 0:36:21.50
Droege, Sam
Two dough anthidium.

0:36:22.540 --> 0:36:24.240
Droege, Sam
To drop the O.

0:36:27.80 --> 0:36:31.500
Droege, Sam
And maybe needs to be repositioned, but let's take a quick.

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:33.380
Droege, Sam
Look here.

0:36:40.910 --> 0:36:42.950
Droege, Sam
And let me try and reposition it.

0:36:55.280 --> 0:37:0.50
Droege, Sam
Umm oh, I wonder if we can see it across the way like we did the other one.

0:37:4.350 --> 0:37:4.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.

0:37:4.830 --> 0:37:6.230
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:37:6.520 --> 0:37:7.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's not right.

0:37:8.540 --> 0:37:15.150
Droege, Sam
Yeah, it looks. Oh, wait, wait, that's because I've inadvertently switched back to the other specimen.

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:33.830
Droege, Sam
Definitely. We're not going to win Academy Awards for our movie movie Chatter and.

0:37:35.40 --> 0:37:36.110
Droege, Sam
Photography here.

0:37:37.100 --> 0:37:37.600
Droege, Sam
All right.

0:37:38.140 --> 0:37:38.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The boy.

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:42.570
Droege, Sam
Pretty darn busy in there.

0:37:42.940 --> 0:37:43.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It is.

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:44.800
Droege, Sam
You know, we may.

0:37:45.650 --> 0:37:47.680
Droege, Sam
Count on this for the moment.

0:37:52.180 --> 0:37:56.930
Droege, Sam
But visually, I think the small size should be the main alert and then you can.

0:38:4.310 --> 0:38:4.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:37:58.170 --> 0:38:5.320
Droege, Sam
It really it's kind of a picture book thing too. So we'll try and find some of these more clear pictures.

0:38:5.740 --> 0:38:8.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Any any tiny invidia?

0:38:8.960 --> 0:38:12.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, with multiple, you know, five or six teeth.

0:38:14.900 --> 0:38:15.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's gonna be that.

0:38:16.530 --> 0:38:16.780
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:38:17.650 --> 0:38:17.980
Droege, Sam
And.

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:24.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know it really it's, you know, because that will steal us, which are some of which are very small. Also they don't have five or six teeth.

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:28.910
Droege, Sam
Yep.

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:34.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then another one entity, Ellen, which we're going to look at, I think you're surely there are also small, but they have basically no teeth and a square mandible and so.

0:38:37.300 --> 0:38:38.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pretty straightforward really.

0:38:41.250 --> 0:38:52.150
Droege, Sam
OK, let me before we jump into anthidium. Let me just do one of the other things that can get mixed up in here in this, this clade.

0:38:52.830 --> 0:38:54.220
Droege, Sam
Of look alikes.

0:39:1.170 --> 0:39:1.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.

0:38:55.870 --> 0:39:2.200
Droege, Sam
Which can also include a steel. If you get a Steelers luisia, it has a visual.

0:39:2.630 --> 0:39:12.540
Droege, Sam
Umm, feeling we talked about this while you were gone, Mike, feeling that is some of the, it isn't Infineon I believe.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:13.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Mm-hmm.

0:39:13.710 --> 0:39:14.100
Droege, Sam
But.

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:17.820
Droege, Sam
That is different so.

0:39:19.50 --> 0:39:22.850
Droege, Sam
Here is a specimen and we are going to.

0:39:24.110 --> 0:39:28.880
Droege, Sam
Well, you might want to talk about. I'm gonna. I'll try and get the mid leg.

0:39:31.410 --> 0:39:32.630
Droege, Sam
Shot set up.

0:39:33.470 --> 0:39:36.570
Droege, Sam
Like can, which is always tricky the scoop like.

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:39.430
Droege, Sam
Aspect of it.

0:39:40.580 --> 0:39:42.660
Droege, Sam
Might looking at a front leg or a.

0:39:43.270 --> 0:39:44.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It looks like a front leg.

0:39:43.910 --> 0:39:44.880
Droege, Sam
That's front leg.

0:39:45.930 --> 0:39:46.210
Droege, Sam
Please.

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:46.980
Maffei, Clare J
Who are we looking at, Sam?

0:39:47.730 --> 0:39:51.330
Droege, Sam
This is parentium juga torium.

0:39:53.850 --> 0:39:59.600
Droege, Sam
Umm, looking for something that has a leg maybe sticking out?

0:40:0.490 --> 0:40:4.920
Droege, Sam
So like if you wanna talk about the life history while I'm trying to find this character.

0:40:5.720 --> 0:40:6.710
Droege, Sam
The bad boys.

0:40:7.610 --> 0:40:10.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, this is a be I have only collected once.

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:11.500
Droege, Sam
But really?

0:40:11.830 --> 0:40:14.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I might sound I'm there are no records from Missouri.

0:40:15.540 --> 0:40:35.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And there's an old publication of Mitches that mentions this in Missouri, and that he found mass, but it turns out that that's not what it was. It was dying video. And he clarified that enough later publication. So I don't know that much about this B in terms of its occurrence. And it's the ecology and where it shows up.

0:40:42.210 --> 0:40:42.610
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:40:37.250 --> 0:40:46.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The other thing about it is that there are there are three additional subspecies described for this fee, and it varies in terms of coloration that maculation.

0:40:46.910 --> 0:40:50.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
This, you know, based on the literature, this thing varies like crazy.

0:40:51.60 --> 0:40:53.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so.

0:40:53.900 --> 0:40:56.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But does have 4 teeth, 4 mandibular teeth.

0:40:56.850 --> 0:40:57.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The females.

0:40:58.490 --> 0:41:1.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the pronotal lobe is also lamellate.

0:41:3.70 --> 0:41:11.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And, but there's no OMAP omalos. There's no sharp edge to the anterior part of the these pleura.

0:41:16.50 --> 0:41:17.700
Droege, Sam
So I think I have.

0:41:19.30 --> 0:41:22.160
Droege, Sam
Let me just pull up the the slide.

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:24.410
Droege, Sam
Uh being here?

0:41:27.310 --> 0:41:29.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Do you find this on these East Coast?

0:41:30.30 --> 0:41:39.970
Droege, Sam
I actually have only collected one in Maryland and it's a specialist here on woodland sunflower. Not all the sunflowers, just woodland, apparently.

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:40.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:50.130
Droege, Sam
Sunflowers. And it was just on a mountain Rd in Western Maryland and I saw the plant and I'm like, OK.

0:41:51.170 --> 0:42:17.390
Droege, Sam
This should have parentium on them, even though there were no records and it seems to be that the access for the distribution is running through the southern Appalachian. But like more the Hill Country and plateau then and Ridge and Valley, which this was rather by Cumberland Plateau rather than so much the.

0:42:18.180 --> 0:42:23.100
Droege, Sam
Umm, you know, super the Super tall mountains that have northern aspects to them.

0:42:23.740 --> 0:42:29.870
Droege, Sam
But it does seem to be specialized on just that woodland sunflower. There's a couple species, but.

0:42:32.630 --> 0:42:33.610
Droege, Sam
But that's that's.

0:42:32.460 --> 0:42:35.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, that's what I. That's what I found it on in Arkansas, actually.

0:42:37.230 --> 0:42:38.610
Droege, Sam
Oh, you did OK.

0:42:41.410 --> 0:42:41.700
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:42:36.870 --> 0:42:42.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If my plan if my plan, if my plan ID was right, it was definitely healing helianthus.

0:42:43.470 --> 0:43:0.730
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Well, and there tends to be an earlier blooming helianthus. So The Woodlands sunflower and they call it Woodlands, soundflower, I think for a pretty good reason, which is that you see it along roads and things in the edges of these dry forest areas.

0:43:2.730 --> 0:43:3.390
Droege, Sam
OK so.

0:43:2.670 --> 0:43:11.500
Maffei, Clare J
Nancy says that she found one in Virginia on a larger sunflower thinks it might have been sunchoke and has a photo.

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:12.870
Droege, Sam
No, no. Wow.

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:22.980
Droege, Sam
But that's so that's that would be interesting, because Sun chokes that would be helianthus what Tuberosa or Jerusalem artichoke?

0:43:23.810 --> 0:43:25.500
Droege, Sam
So here.

0:43:26.300 --> 0:43:38.460
Droege, Sam
When we grow them and I have them all over my house, those are very, very late in the year and the like. The Parentium record that I had was I think 4th. I was out on the 4th of July weekend.

0:43:38.740 --> 0:43:39.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow.

0:43:39.890 --> 0:43:40.760
Droege, Sam
So.

0:43:42.460 --> 0:43:49.850
Droege, Sam
So we're they of inspection and maybe there's more than we know on going on. So we're going to.

0:43:50.570 --> 0:44:0.600
Droege, Sam
Look, now I think I've got this queued up and looks like the front and the middle have no spine on it.

0:44:1.380 --> 0:44:7.800
Droege, Sam
On the thing and it has got this weird round plate that that one may only be on the.

0:44:8.900 --> 0:44:9.540
Droege, Sam
Middle.

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:15.450
Droege, Sam
Middle line so OK, so.

0:44:16.260 --> 0:44:17.400
Droege, Sam
This a little bit.

0:44:19.230 --> 0:44:29.110
Droege, Sam
So this is the middle leg here and then you can see something similar because the front legs also visible, but there's no tibial spurs believe if I have that right.

0:44:30.210 --> 0:44:35.40
Droege, Sam
End date but it has this weird big roundy plate right there.

0:44:36.340 --> 0:44:40.880
Droege, Sam
Which I think might be a little bit scooped out if we looked at it in a different.

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:43.470
Droege, Sam
Direction.

0:44:45.670 --> 0:45:7.530
Droege, Sam
It but it also has that whole same pattern of Louisiana, a stylus and Louise A of anthidium anthidium anthidium in particular look and feel on the top. But this is this is the character. This is why, I guess probably one of maybe more than one reason why it kicks out.

0:45:8.470 --> 0:45:10.610
Droege, Sam
Let's go back here.

0:45:11.610 --> 0:45:15.460
Droege, Sam
So so here's this broad projection with a round tip.

0:45:17.720 --> 0:45:18.870
Droege, Sam
And.

0:45:19.690 --> 0:45:26.70
Droege, Sam
And beyond this projection as a hairless scoop shining and scoop like area, this ones often hard to find.

0:45:26.970 --> 0:45:30.460
Droege, Sam
Order to put manual with oblique angle to outer margin.

0:45:31.570 --> 0:45:36.50
Droege, Sam
So yeah, that mandibles look weird and we can show show them here in a second.

0:45:38.850 --> 0:45:46.970
Droege, Sam
So behind and pointing at this behind here should be this. I think I you have to actually turn it over. Let me see if I can do that.

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:50.750
Droege, Sam
Anything else to add on this one?

0:45:52.430 --> 0:45:53.830
Droege, Sam
Like that, we should be looking at.

0:45:55.910 --> 0:45:57.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, parent tedium have.

0:45:58.180 --> 0:45:59.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very, very tiny. I'll Selly.

0:46:1.310 --> 0:46:1.620
Droege, Sam
Help.

0:46:1.210 --> 0:46:3.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Compared to compared to.

0:46:6.950 --> 0:46:7.950
Droege, Sam
And you understand.

0:46:4.550 --> 0:46:13.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Most of the other devidians, I mean, they're smaller. There's the diameter of the ocellar smaller than the than the Intel sockets, which is pretty weird.

0:46:23.660 --> 0:46:25.700
Droege, Sam
This may be one of these things that is.

0:46:27.70 --> 0:46:36.300
Droege, Sam
Going to be more trouble than it's worth to find, but I think we might be looking at the area right here.

0:46:38.530 --> 0:46:39.410
Droege, Sam
In this area.

0:46:42.390 --> 0:46:54.900
Droege, Sam
Yeah, this should be it. A little bit difficult. So we're looking from underneath. Here's this half circular and here's this scooped out Hollow Bear area behind it.

0:46:56.60 --> 0:46:59.710
Droege, Sam
And not easy to see or define.

0:47:0.910 --> 0:47:7.970
Droege, Sam
So be aware that if you're collecting office sunflowers on woodland sunflowers that you should.

0:47:9.50 --> 0:47:15.840
Droege, Sam
Check this out. I believe if we go back, we'll see some of these characters Mike was talking about.

0:47:17.530 --> 0:47:18.170
Droege, Sam
That.

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:21.280
Droege, Sam
We'll give you.

0:47:22.530 --> 0:47:23.260
Droege, Sam
A.

0:47:24.350 --> 0:47:29.10
Droege, Sam
Mortgage stolt. Look, let's see if I can change this now to the head.

0:47:38.790 --> 0:47:39.50
Droege, Sam
So.

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:40.70
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'm not as.

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:48.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:47:50.750 --> 0:47:51.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:47:40.610 --> 0:47:55.660
Droege, Sam
Uh, what of these patterns here? Of the yellow are truly characteristic of the eastern one or not is hard to say, but it might. You know, it might be that this pattern.

0:47:57.410 --> 0:47:58.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah, that's.

0:47:59.10 --> 0:47:59.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The ones I had.

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:2.160
Droege, Sam
To the yellow yellow across the top here. Sorry. Go ahead Mike.

0:48:2.250 --> 0:48:7.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, my my specimens from Arkansas don't have those stripes on the skewed them.

0:48:9.270 --> 0:48:10.500
Droege, Sam
These thin ones here.

0:48:7.640 --> 0:48:14.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh. And uh, yeah, yeah. And there's no maculation on the frogs.

0:48:17.470 --> 0:48:19.20
Droege, Sam
This thing is good, yeah.

0:48:16.10 --> 0:48:19.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Again, that you know one of the yeah, that's gone.

0:48:27.810 --> 0:48:28.130
Droege, Sam
Great.

0:48:20.260 --> 0:48:34.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's one of the thing about antibiotics is that that color is so engaging that you wanna you just your eye is drawn to it. And sometimes that leads you to make snap judgments, which you later regret. Judge done.

0:48:33.450 --> 0:48:37.830
Droege, Sam
Ohg my God and and then no mada, no mada are crazy.

0:48:36.870 --> 0:48:39.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh, oh, well, that's even worse.

0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:41.440
Droege, Sam
You know. Oh, look at this.

0:48:42.690 --> 0:48:43.780
Droege, Sam
But it is this.

0:48:43.990 --> 0:48:46.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's the the antenna cleaner.

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:47.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:48:45.810 --> 0:48:51.40
Droege, Sam
Ohh, that's the antenna scraper and is this what? What was this thing that you call it again here?

0:48:50.980 --> 0:48:52.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Mayor the Mailer spine.

0:48:53.0 --> 0:48:54.110
Droege, Sam
Miller spine, right?

0:48:58.270 --> 0:48:58.710
Droege, Sam
Great.

0:49:2.210 --> 0:49:2.550
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:48:54.90 --> 0:49:2.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, which is always worth looking at. I think it's maybe, maybe more useful than we give it credit for.

0:49:3.470 --> 0:49:5.680
Droege, Sam
I think of you as Mr Mallar spine.

0:49:7.700 --> 0:49:8.910
Droege, Sam
You'll be on your headstone.

0:49:9.370 --> 0:49:9.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No.

0:49:10.270 --> 0:49:12.720
Droege, Sam
He made people aware of the Mallard spine.

0:49:15.80 --> 0:49:25.110
Droege, Sam
All right. So yeah, these are pretty darn small. They're not much bigger than some of the, you know, they're not even two pits wide. These aselli that's interesting.

0:49:28.260 --> 0:49:30.790
Droege, Sam
You know, we can tell stories about big Aselli.

0:49:32.820 --> 0:49:33.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:55.440
Droege, Sam
I there useful when it's nocturnal, but what do you say about small ones? And you know that's not, I mean the only other species that I can think of where a celly play even a size that on the small side play up a bit is pennsylvanicus versus Orocovis. So pennsylvanicus have really noticeable noticeably smaller.

0:49:57.140 --> 0:50:1.190
Droege, Sam
A selling and I'm like, no. Yeah. If I have any questions, I'm like, Yep.

0:50:3.810 --> 0:50:7.830
Droege, Sam
Anything else? So I guess the yellow thing is, you know, problematic.

0:50:8.610 --> 0:50:13.40
Droege, Sam
Now we can look at the mandibles here in a second, I'm going to tilt this up.

0:50:14.510 --> 0:50:15.430
Droege, Sam
We can see them.

0:50:13.860 --> 0:50:17.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So I I think the fact that that both of us have only seen that be.

0:50:19.100 --> 0:50:24.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Collected at once or twice that, I think it's safe to say it's a rare species. That's it. That's in in my experience.

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:45.190
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Yeah. Although I was in southern Ohio, so that's definitely Hill Country. There was a four service site that was doing. We had a work with the Forest Service on using basically stadium cups with glycol in it and.

0:50:45.830 --> 0:50:48.620
Droege, Sam
They got a buttload of.

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:49.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow. Wow.

0:50:50.10 --> 0:50:51.410
Droege, Sam
Suit entity, I'm there.

0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:52.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.

0:50:52.170 --> 0:50:53.640
Droege, Sam
There's been a couple other places.

0:50:54.20 --> 0:50:54.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's interesting.

0:50:55.110 --> 0:50:59.200
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And John Asher was telling me about a location.

0:51:6.960 --> 0:51:7.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.

0:51:9.610 --> 0:51:9.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Local.

0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:11.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hello.

0:51:0.400 --> 0:51:11.530
Droege, Sam
That was that I want to call it an Arboretum that had planned a lot of woodland sunflower, and they had these bees buzzing all over the place, so this might be another circumstance like we see.

0:51:12.310 --> 0:51:17.500
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah. Where if people started planning this plant more that it may.

0:51:18.450 --> 0:51:21.810
Droege, Sam
We colonize if it's in the area like you see.

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:22.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's a good that's a good shot of mandible.

0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:42.170
Droege, Sam
Yeah, we see that with hookah and things. So I think this oblique angle here is what they were talking about is strongly indicative, but certainly not. So this would be, you know, the closer ones would be anthidium and not really. And anthidium also they would be different.

0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:46.50
Droege, Sam
In shape, so there's enough here.

0:51:46.720 --> 0:51:52.310
Droege, Sam
But I think the main thing would be to be suspicious of things collected.

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:54.490
Droege, Sam
From sunflowers.

0:51:55.580 --> 0:52:0.70
Droege, Sam
And Nancy, I'd be interested in that specimen that you had or the picture and we could take a look at that and see.

0:52:2.140 --> 0:52:5.170
Droege, Sam
Now that stands out because this seems if it is.

0:52:5.970 --> 0:52:8.530
Droege, Sam
On Jerusalem artichoke it would be late in the year.

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:15.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.

0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:16.800
Droege, Sam
So what we got for time? Do we have time to throw up on some in entity elems?

0:52:18.20 --> 0:52:19.990
Maffei, Clare J
There is 7 minutes left.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Maffei, Clare J
153.

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Droege, Sam
Maybe.

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Droege, Sam
There's there booty, there's really.

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Droege, Sam
Mike, unless you disabuse me, there should just be be 2 species that we have to talk about and a couple color things. And in the notatum crowd, I'll T1UP.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's, this is another.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Anthony Allen is another example of multiple of an anthidium with the multiple described subspecies, I forget how many.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, there are and I don't know how many.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, I wrecked. John is recognized in his list.

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Droege, Sam
You know.

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Droege, Sam
Umm.

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Droege, Sam
Uh-huh. And.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I think there are multiple species. They're not subspecies, and if you look in the in the east, notate them and Borealis, borealis historically being a subspecies that Charles Robertson described, they're different and there's no overlap. They all, they're sympatric mostly. So I consider two separate species and that's not published anywhere, but just start looking at them. And they're, I mean, they're males and females, both genitalia are different, punctures are different. I mean.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're very different species.

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Droege, Sam
Right.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
At least in the in the Midwest or I mean.

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Maffei, Clare J
Like I have a key, I mean it's it's probably.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Maffei, Clare J
Updated. Since there's just the two, but it's from October 6, 2018 of yours is that.

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Maffei, Clare J
The copy that everyone should work from.

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Droege, Sam
I.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I it's probably good enough. Yeah, because I think it's been sometimes since I notice those differences. And I I think that, yeah, that that should work.

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Maffei, Clare J
Oh.

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Droege, Sam
OK. So maybe we we can't in the remaining minutes really cover all of this here, but and then?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right, right. Floridian. Yeah. Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
We because there's also perplexing, which is not covered in MIC Sky, but is a Deep South species on the East Coast. But just to show so first of all this pattern which is out of focus here.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Is really indicative in my mind of anthidium.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.

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Droege, Sam
And it's just like I don't have to see anymore. It's also super small. So it'd be the same size as sudden anthidium, but obviously has different characters and the primary one is this.

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Droege, Sam
Lamellate shelves for shelf, like projection of the scutellum. And so it's again when you're starting out, you don't have a context, but because sometimes you can look at amphibians and say, oh, well, is that projecting because it is a little sticky Audi. But this is way, way out here.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's like a like an awning, you know? And yeah, it's hard to miss.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, that's a good description.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
I'll see if I can spin it a little to the side here, but tiny very bee like I think of them as pee family lovers. I don't know if that's true for all of them.

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Droege, Sam
Here we are again.

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Droege, Sam
At the the edge there.

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Droege, Sam
In the Deep South of this show it very quickly.

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Droege, Sam
Umm.

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Droege, Sam
Is, uh, another species, perplexus. I don't have borealis.

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Droege, Sam
From here it's a little bit bigger, but the in the South the no tatums can look at the same coloration, so this coloration is often the coloration of species from.

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Droege, Sam
The Deep South of of several. Anything that anything that's a yellowish has yellow manipulations often brings in, and this is very true of what species too brings in this ocre color more and more as you go to the Deep South, or can particularly down to Florida, and anything that has bright shiny green becomes.

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Droege, Sam
Uh can become purple.

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Droege, Sam
And blue in color coloration.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
But also and so and perplexing. Has this really dark wing? So I think rather than try and quickly, quickly too quickly explore this just to point out some vibe right now. And then maybe we'll come back and do a good job on this next time and get into Diane Theum.

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Droege, Sam
To tricosa.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.

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Droege, Sam
Umm. And you know, just to kind of continue with the colorful.

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Droege, Sam
Uh.

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Droege, Sam
Wonderful group.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That sounds good.

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Droege, Sam
So anything else to to add on on this group? So we want to talk about the life history, which is kind of unique.

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Droege, Sam
In terms of nesting at least.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Am I going to bike on that one? I've got my headset.

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Droege, Sam
No, the the, the, the little weird glued together Pebble nests on the.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh above yeah on sticks and tweet. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I don't know if there's any any photos of that on discover life, but it's a curious, you know.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Reproductive strategy they.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'm gonna say glue, but they use resin to do assemble these globos cells that are above ground, and that's stuck to twigs and sometimes stones and other things.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they are alone in that. There's some other entities that do that, but it's just.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Different way of, you know compared to androids or electeds, it's an unusual way of of nesting.

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Droege, Sam
Yep.

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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Well, I think that might be good stopping place. If there anyone has questions or anyone else has other observations that would be.

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Droege, Sam
Great to hear.

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Maffei, Clare J
No questions, but Nancy said that she got the photos visiting Asclepias Tuberosa and posted a video on Facebook.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Maffei, Clare J
So I assume you mean in like the Biml Facebook group, maybe Nancy?

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Droege, Sam
Well, as crappy as tuberosa changes that you know, I I heard tuberose and I was thinking helianthus tuberosa.

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Maffei, Clare J
Well, yeah, the first thing that was that the first comment, said Sunchoke.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Maffei, Clare J
Parenthetical Jerusalem artichoke.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, because that's so late in the year in terms of its bloom.

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Droege, Sam
That a lot of these things are gone, I would think parent did even would be gone.

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Droege, Sam
But.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So we'll take a look, see, see what's to see.

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Droege, Sam
All right.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, both everybody have a great holiday.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, Ditto.

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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, have a good.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.

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Droege, Sam
Thanks, Claire and Mike for all of that.

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Maffei, Clare J
And we'll be back next week.

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Droege, Sam
OK, alright.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, alright, see y'all.

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Droege, Sam
We're colorful bees.

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Droege, Sam
Oh, Mike, hang on for one SEC.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm here.