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Maffei, Clare J
Backtrack to that introduction. Thanks everyone for being here.

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Droege, Sam
Alright, we're good, Claire.

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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all you.

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Droege, Sam
OK, alright, M1 of you. Tell us what you were doing yesterday with anthuriums. That primed you for today.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, we our state parks folks have a.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Then serving bees in the Ozark region for the last five years. And then?

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Droege, Sam
Umm.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Work come up with a fair number band tedium, and for a while they thought they had a something very new and it turns out it isn't, but it's still good.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, so yeah, we mostly yesterday we were working through ATMs and kind of.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh Rd testing this key and.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's fun.

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Droege, Sam
Good.

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Droege, Sam
Cool.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, we have a lot more. I think we have more out here than you do over on on these.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
How you do you do. I mean there is some some floor, a Florida species that you guys don't probably see but you start getting these Western things coming in. Yeah. And you know Prairie jumping.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.

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Droege, Sam
So it is a good. So the I think of like if it's if you find a native.

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Droege, Sam
Anthidium, you're in a a good natural area.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's that's I agree.

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Droege, Sam
And if you find a non-native one, you're in junk.

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Droege, Sam
With mannequin. Yeah, go ahead.

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Droege, Sam
Oh really?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, we have, we have yet we have yet to find either of the introduced ones and and what you what you and I would call a natural area. I mean they're in the city by the billions.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah. Ohh yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I see. Manicata is always associated with like stack keys and basically big gardeners and oblongata M is a little more loose, so I'll see them in weedy fields, particularly I think on I wanna say clovers.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.

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Droege, Sam
Or, you know, Birchwood trefoil and things like that.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, exactly.

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Droege, Sam
Which entity Ellum loves too, but then they they don't stray a whole lot further from that.

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Droege, Sam
Do you wanna? I don't know enough about the preferences for the other anthidium AMS the need of entity arms, but do you wanna talk about that? Just for a second?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, yes.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's a Denny's really high, and I think I'm pronouncing it right. That's largely a specialist on on Syria in the broad sense. That's plant genus has now been split up into, I think 3 different general, but occasionally as it other legumes. So broadly speaking, it's a legume specialist and so is.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But you're fronts, which is.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Another native.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That we usually find it on legumes.

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Droege, Sam
Yep.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then I could and then there are a couple other might be here species that are seem to be more generalist. Porter I and.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Maculosa.

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Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But we haven't found here yet, but they're off right on the borders.

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Droege, Sam
Yep.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So I think Salieri think of as in particular on collecting on go through.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sometime. Yeah, we found it occasionally. Not regularly, but it does go to that, you know.

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Droege, Sam
OK. Yeah, it's not usually so. I don't know if there's even a record for Maryland at this point for that species. And I think of Sir Allier not to get too into the weeds here. As a lover of sandy areas too.

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Droege, Sam
Umm.

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Droege, Sam
Ah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Out here? No, because we don't have. We hardly have any sand. You know, all these dry, rocky prairies.

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Droege, Sam
Great.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, that's where. That's where. That's where the plants are. So that's where.

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Droege, Sam
Yep.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Droege, Sam
Maybe just.

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Droege, Sam
Uh, well, starting with your key here, I will share my screen and then.

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Droege, Sam
We might want to, let's maybe with the males and then we'll do it separately with the females. We'll talk about what are, what makes it an anthidium.

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Droege, Sam
Umm thing?

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Droege, Sam
So the one of the problems is that.

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Droege, Sam
And I'm sure.

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Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.

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Maffei, Clare J
Real quick, I think it's worth mentioning if we if we were to look at the discover like keys, mikes is incredibly more comprehensive we have.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Maffei, Clare J
Five species in discover life, so the the group should really be looking at mikes.

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Maffei, Clare J
Makes resources right now.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But.

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Maffei, Clare J
Fairpoint. Yes.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, well, it depends. So if you're east of the Mississippi or at least, and particularly if you're way East, then discover life is fine. But we're in the process working with Francis to upgrade the Discover Life keys with Mike's information for all these particular groups. So it will come too, but it's it's a geographic coverage issue.

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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Umm. So I'm gonna share my screen here.

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Droege, Sam
And.

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Droege, Sam
But yes, we are definitely not covering the Midwest.

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Droege, Sam
As it should, particularly these rare things. OK, so do you see mikes guide here now.

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Maffei, Clare J
Sure enough.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh, there it is.

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Droege, Sam
On screen.

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Droege, Sam
Yes.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Droege, Sam
So.

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Droege, Sam
When I think of anthidium males, I looking basically at a large species with the anthidium in colors of yellows and blacks, and rarely some the yellows are whites and some of the western species. I actually in the southern species too and the IT does not have what Diane Ethidium has, which is the big tall.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Lamella. Yeah. Right? Umm.

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Droege, Sam
Pronotal ridges and does not have what Diane Tedium has, which is the expanded.

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Droege, Sam
Uh tegula and the the corona on the lateral sides of the plural that define a front face and a backspace face or a side face where they're, in other words, a deeper pocket for the legs to tuck in.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Does not have the projecting shelf on the skew Tellem, that entity Ellem has. We can look at, we'll be looking at these things too, but what else? And then the hind architecture is usually lobed.

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Droege, Sam
Which?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
I'm not sure what of the other groups maybe Percussa does. Who else in the mail thing has such fancy tea settings?

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Right.

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Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't think any of them are to the degree that anthidium is. I mean, they're they really, I mean, and then there's on T6, there are those little hooks on either side on most of the species. And so it's pretty the males are.

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Joan Milam
And he.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they're like you said, they're.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And and they were only is missing. You know, there's between the claws.

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Droege, Sam
Oh, right, yeah, I forgot about that one. Yeah. So there's a bunch of nice characteristics that will define these things and that are uncommon.

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Droege, Sam
Except in some urban areas where you have the the oblongata.

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Droege, Sam
And.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Medicare.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, the.

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Droege, Sam
Uh, Medicaid him group in, which sounds like they're not, not really having reached the a lot of the Midwest, or at least maybe you're not spending enough time and Saint Louis.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
The yeah, they're here.

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Droege, Sam
Ohh, they're not.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Droege, Sam
Yep.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm. And they're, they're they're in Kansas City, but they're all. They're only in, you know, certain parts of the urban area. And some of those are kind of trashy.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I think of them as like if I see a weedy, a deep, deeply weedy place behind the fast food joint, then that's mowed twice a year. It's like I'm gonna find, you know, junkie little Clover and at least I'll I'll blown. Got them.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, OK. I forgot that it was in the cities in the Midwest.

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Droege, Sam
Right. Well, good. They haven't invaded any further.

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Droege, Sam
OK, you want to talk about? I'll, I'll pull up. Oblongata him on the microscope. Do you wanna talk about the? The we're gonna get right into the rear. Rear end architecture.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, OK.

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Droege, Sam
So here's a.

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Droege, Sam
Oblongata, Adam. And this is Mike. You're splitting this out because just based on the the back end here.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pretty much.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know there's no in the on T7 which is you see there on most well all of the other amphibians that were.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That are, uh.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
In the Midwest and the East, there's a there's a spine like structure between those two lobes and an obligate them. There's nothing.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, there's two loaves, but then there's there's just space between them. And that's. I mean, that's it. That's diagnostic. But there are other things as well, but that's one that's usually pretty obvious. First, money first, look at it.

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Droege, Sam
And here's here's the spines ones out of focus over here on T6.

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Droege, Sam
That show up pretty easily.

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Droege, Sam
Very light here.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And what?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
And then this these kinds of patterns are pretty indicative of the whole group. It's gonna be something like this with cut outs of dark colors invading what could have been a stripe.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. And historically I think that's been one of the.

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Droege, Sam
Great.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's some specific meaning that they just.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm. Ohh yeah.

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Droege, Sam
So for example this one, which I don't have anymore is oblongata M, but it's like that is a really weird pattern.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It it is. Yeah. That's unusual. Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah, this from West Virginia.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam
But and also a lot of times I don't know if it's across the board. I kind of feel like it might be the males are larger than the females is, which is usually not the case in bees. Is that all the species Mike?

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, I mean, you know, yesterday we were talking about that, but with.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
All the other ones in the Midwest, sometimes the males are larger but not consistently. But within Manicata boy, it's almost it's almost always that way.

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Droege, Sam
Right.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And you know, they're very, I mean, they're one of the most entertaining these to watch. The males are just, you know, they literally will get in your face like male Carpenter bees and they protect flower patches, attack anything just about that comes around. I mean they're you can get quite close to them and they're incredibly agile and quick Flyers and it's quite impressive. But they're fun to watch.

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Droege, Sam
So, Mike, you wanna talk about the well I the skew Tellem, so here's the scutellum and the little.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You have that.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.

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Droege, Sam
Give it here and you can. This is another. So I satellite this is the only mail I have tons of females which just shows that I'm not keeping a lot of these super common things. But usually there's a whole lot more yellow throughout here, including on these actually and things. But go ahead.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there are on on either side of the ski. Tell them.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There is a.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
A weak, subtle. But I just call it triangular projection that doesn't show up well here, but all the other ones don't have and it's not dramatic. I mean, it's not something that jumps out at you. There you go, but it's present and it's on all the other ones. It's not. So that's sometimes that can be a helpful if the abdomen broken.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's sort of a confirmation.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's sort of a confirmation if you're running into like, oh, this doesn't look right or there's some other kind of question of. So that's there. This is the axilla this odd little, you know, plate I would call it that in this group doesn't do much, but sometimes you notice it. And then when you get to epls and try epulis and celiac axis and things this for whatever reason becomes greatly extended and moves down. But here, it's like most species just sort of.

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Droege, Sam
Part of the fabric of this complete set. And then here's this little tooth that Mike is talking about, which usually has some color associated with it. But in this case, this particular specimen is interesting, just in the fact of how.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Darkness.

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Droege, Sam
Basically it is dark and has it's like in nomada do this too as you can dial down the yellow markings or you can dial them up and you're looking for and usually it's done in a regular way, so.

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Droege, Sam
The last ones to go are often the the biggest ones and.

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Droege, Sam
So you have small patches. They're gonna go first and then things become decreased in size. These would be larger elsewhere and fatter. And then sometimes they just completely go away, like normally there would be some yellow up here.

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Droege, Sam
Just to trick us.

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Droege, Sam
All right. Anything more about oblongata, we want to look at.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't think so.

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Droege, Sam
OK.

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Droege, Sam
Let's go back to Mike's key. So we will see. So the rest of them have the spine is Mike mentioned and.

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Droege, Sam
Umm and T6 margin entire lacking any projections.

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Droege, Sam
And the scutellum also entire this projection on T6. I don't know. Maybe we'll just take a quick look at that. It's another one of those ones that are, yeah, it's there. But usually all you have to do is look at T7.

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Droege, Sam
Umm. And you've got your.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.

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Droege, Sam
Character, but see if we can find it here.

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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So from this direction, it's pretty obvious. So here's, so you're barely seeing the lobes, you're looking down the A scant sort of at the back end. And here's this lobed area coming out, but it's not.

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Droege, Sam
A tea 7 spine, which you'll see as a quite dramatic so.

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Droege, Sam
It's also. Yeah, it's good to note it.

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Droege, Sam
So that you don't call that a spine.

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Droege, Sam
On T7.

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Droege, Sam
Yep.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, sometimes right. Sometimes T7 is tucked, tucked away. You don't. Can't really see it very well. So any one of those characters, the absence of the spy on T7 or the little triangle on T6 or that little divots on the other side of sequel? Either one of those is diagnostic. You don't need to see them all, just anyone of them, because you're not present in any other of our experience.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh wow.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh OK.

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Droege, Sam
OK. So on this next couplet I have a female portrait, but I don't have a a mail. So we we'll we'll talk about. I do have mail, Florentia EMS when we get to them, but let's.

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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.

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Droege, Sam
Uh from elsewhere, from this weird Smithsonian little collection I have from Suzanne Batroc. I was like, well, wonder what they have. Ohh, there's Florentia, our Florentine them. So do you wanna talk about portray a little bit here?

0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:33.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah, it's a great playing species. Maybe the most common and video on on the southern or southern 2/3 of the Great Plains, it's very common.

0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:49.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Good size big B and both sexes goes to a lot of different plans, but likes it likes like teams and the males have a very conspicuous, narrowly triangular spine on.

0:17:0.630 --> 0:17:0.920
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:16:49.740 --> 0:17:3.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That sticks down from 6 that literally you can almost see with the naked eye. Not when they're flying course, but when you've got it in their hand and none of the other ones have anything approaching that. So that in itself it's pretty diagnostic.

0:17:3.870 --> 0:17:4.480
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:17:5.130 --> 0:17:6.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it it gets into.

0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:17.580
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.

0:17:6.780 --> 0:17:18.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The you know, he's central Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, but we haven't found it yet. In what what we call true tall gas period areas, but it's.

0:17:18.360 --> 0:17:18.640
Droege, Sam
Not.

0:17:19.590 --> 0:17:19.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And.

0:17:19.670 --> 0:17:25.700
Droege, Sam
Would it? Is it possibly a sand specialist so like E to central Nebraska? I think of the Sandhills.

0:17:24.380 --> 0:17:29.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It yeah, it it tends to be in those kind of areas.

0:17:29.870 --> 0:17:30.350
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.

0:17:32.390 --> 0:17:32.720
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:34.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, not exclusively, because we've found it, but it does seem to.

0:17:36.180 --> 0:17:39.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Favor those. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:17:52.580 --> 0:17:53.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Exactly.

0:17:54.120 --> 0:17:54.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:17:36.510 --> 0:18:4.320
Droege, Sam
Fever. OK. It sounds like it's got some pretty good projections. And then in most of the east, though, you likely don't have it, but possibly in Prairie pockets and things make big jumps period because she's never write off some of these Midwestern species as never occurring in the east, particularly if you're working in residual grasslands.

0:18:4.710 --> 0:18:5.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:18:4.820 --> 0:18:9.660
Droege, Sam
Uh, brush sand areas. Crazy, crazy existences.

0:18:7.470 --> 0:18:10.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally, yeah. You stopped. You found some? Yeah. Yeah.

0:18:10.510 --> 0:18:10.810
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:18:12.590 --> 0:18:22.820
Droege, Sam
OK, so so it has this S6 spine which we don't have. So now we'll go into Florentia mum and we'll start with seeing the T7.

0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:28.310
Droege, Sam
On it and this one and the pair that I have, it's.

0:18:30.110 --> 0:18:30.850
Droege, Sam
The meal.

0:18:31.940 --> 0:18:38.960
Droege, Sam
Which probably is related to manic item, is huge. Much huger.

0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:40.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow.

0:18:45.770 --> 0:18:46.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.

0:18:40.610 --> 0:18:48.590
Droege, Sam
And to correct me if I'm wrong, this is that introduced species right from that's been seen in Canada.

0:18:49.990 --> 0:18:50.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's not.

0:18:50.30 --> 0:18:57.600
Droege, Sam
And I'd never come across an actual specimen. You know that I've collected or seen by and anyone else's collection, but.

0:18:56.830 --> 0:18:59.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, we have never seen it in the Midwest at all.

0:18:59.430 --> 0:18:59.830
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:19:0.640 --> 0:19:10.30
Droege, Sam
I believe it was a Quebecois folks who found it first and then I don't know where it's been moving around is there, are there any US records yet?

0:19:11.30 --> 0:19:11.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Don't know.

0:19:11.970 --> 0:19:21.840
Droege, Sam
Yeah, but someone can do a quick DL look up on that and see if there's anything noted there. John would have of recorded it.

0:19:22.590 --> 0:19:38.250
Droege, Sam
All right, so here's its hind end. You can notice these massive T5T6 hooks, and you have a very pointed thing it it doesn't have much of a central spine here, interestingly.

0:19:38.890 --> 0:19:41.350
Droege, Sam
That I can see, unless this. We'll turn it over.

0:19:42.80 --> 0:19:44.460
Droege, Sam
And this is the first time I'm actually looking at it. Here's.

0:19:45.180 --> 0:20:0.470
Droege, Sam
An area that you would think, but this is the you I think we're just not looking at it the right direction. So usually this is the one in Manichaeism that's developed and will kill honey bees with.

0:20:3.390 --> 0:20:9.340
Droege, Sam
Wait. No. No, I'm yeah. Sorry for second. I was like, oh, my gosh, is this actually a female?

0:20:10.0 --> 0:20:11.80
Droege, Sam
But no, not like that.

0:20:10.60 --> 0:20:13.30
Maffei, Clare J
You want to back up and explain how we kill honey bees with them.

0:20:14.270 --> 0:20:16.0
Droege, Sam
Mike, you wanna take that while I'm?

0:20:16.60 --> 0:20:17.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, yeah.

0:20:17.470 --> 0:20:28.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm you know, Medicaid males are very, very territorial when it comes to defending floral resources. I think in the hopes of gaining and make.

0:20:28.890 --> 0:20:33.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm. And they're they're really aggressive. I mean, I I've watched them.

0:20:34.290 --> 0:20:46.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That what I would call attack hummingbirds that are trying to nectar. And so they're very aggressive and I've never seen this actually happen. But I've seen images and photos of honey bees.

0:20:48.170 --> 0:20:49.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Stuck to the hind end.

0:20:51.810 --> 0:20:53.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And when we get to Medicare?

0:20:52.410 --> 0:20:53.130
Maffei, Clare J
That's wild.

0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:57.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
When we get to Medicaid and you'll see this little Sam will show you that spine.

0:20:57.470 --> 0:21:26.760
Droege, Sam
Yeah, sadly, sadly and weirdly, I have no mails. I either gave them away or you know, like uh, I don't need to. I don't need to keep save any of these. I mean, this is. I'm gonna change with our new when we now have a big new collection, we'll say most things. But for now, we actually I was like, good grief. I don't have a macadam. How ridiculous. But anyway we have Florentia mum. And so if we're looking at this here.

0:21:27.900 --> 0:21:33.0
Droege, Sam
We're jumping back into things with a a spine like process.

0:21:34.220 --> 0:21:40.190
Droege, Sam
In the middle, but it's not super obvious. I have to say from this particular specimen, but.

0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:43.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, it looked pretty. I mean to me, I saw it and it looks like it's there to me.

0:21:53.870 --> 0:21:54.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah, OK.

0:21:42.840 --> 0:22:10.270
Droege, Sam
OK, I think of I you know I have in my mind the yes, yes, I agree it's there here. It would be here. I was looking for something bigger that maybe I was missing. But in like in mannequin them it's like so it's I think of it as like a peg because it's using that to nail like you know honey bees are so soft like of course you can just come up and kill them but.

0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.520
Droege, Sam
Yeah. It's like it's much more weaponized.

0:22:12.170 --> 0:22:16.990
Maffei, Clare J
That will. Can you screw? Can you redo that and Scrooge the?

0:22:17.930 --> 0:22:21.460
Maffei, Clare J
Little crosshairs alleyway cause. Let's try and take a picture for the group.

0:22:19.790 --> 0:22:24.820
Droege, Sam
Yeah, OK. I'm gonna try a different different angle here too.

0:22:26.260 --> 0:22:32.810
Maffei, Clare J
Also, Amy, I'm sorry. I don't know how to pronounce your last name, and it will be really rude for me to push it.

0:22:33.270 --> 0:22:40.660
Maffei, Clare J
Umm pointed out that there's one floor Antium observation on Ignat from New York.

0:22:41.120 --> 0:22:41.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.

0:22:41.550 --> 0:22:41.970
Droege, Sam
No.

0:22:42.710 --> 0:22:43.150
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:22:42.460 --> 0:22:43.760
Maffei, Clare J
And has been.

0:22:46.380 --> 0:22:47.50
Droege, Sam
Verify.

0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.510
Maffei, Clare J
There. Yeah, I'm checking that.

0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:49.590
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:22:50.360 --> 0:22:54.260
Maffei, Clare J
There's, there's quite a lot of suggestions. John Asher. Yeah.

0:22:55.220 --> 0:22:56.810
Maffei, Clare J
So say that's legit.

0:22:54.500 --> 0:22:57.370
Droege, Sam
Yeah, OK. I wouldn't be surprised, you know.

0:22:58.550 --> 0:23:11.690
Droege, Sam
It seems like it's been around for now, five years or so up in Quebec, and that it's the kind of thing that would naturally spread if it's already established enough that people found it.

0:23:12.860 --> 0:23:31.50
Droege, Sam
So here, right there is a central spine. It's just not as big. I will say, as in Mannheim. And then I think, Mike, you mentioned in the guy that T-65 and four have these lateral.

0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:32.270
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:23:33.370 --> 0:23:35.260
Droege, Sam
Spines projections.

0:23:35.250 --> 0:23:36.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.940
Droege, Sam
Umm, let's shift this a little bit more so we can.

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:42.300
Droege, Sam
Investigate that.

0:23:44.150 --> 0:23:46.300
Droege, Sam
T4 I wasn't quite seeing it.

0:23:47.150 --> 0:23:49.380
Droege, Sam
But he could have been just the angle on it.

0:23:49.530 --> 0:23:52.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, maybe more variable than I realized too.

0:23:54.820 --> 0:23:55.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:24:2.860 --> 0:24:3.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:23:53.460 --> 0:24:8.740
Droege, Sam
Well, it's there. It's just, you know, it's I mean, the here's T3 with nothing and the others would have nothing. So it's just not as these are pretty dramatic. And this would be dramatic in another, you know specific let's say.

0:24:9.170 --> 0:24:11.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, and none of our other, none of our other.

0:24:12.210 --> 0:24:14.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Amphibians look like that, so that's.

0:24:14.690 --> 0:24:15.830
Droege, Sam
OK, cool.

0:24:16.670 --> 0:24:37.20
Droege, Sam
I learned something today so and then so they they don't have these processes, but usually T6 has something like it on the others. So we're we would jump theoretically to manipulate them, but I don't have any manipulate them specimens.

0:24:38.150 --> 0:24:39.980
Droege, Sam
And yeah, it's a I mean.

0:24:45.620 --> 0:24:45.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:24:41.640 --> 0:25:1.500
Droege, Sam
Someone can Google up a picture very easily. It's got these really dramatic hairs that curl, you know, they're they're dense and their obvious and they're very curled on the, I guess the edges of the tergites.

0:25:3.400 --> 0:25:4.150
Droege, Sam
And.

0:25:3.480 --> 0:25:5.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's pretty. It's hard to miss that, you know.

0:25:7.460 --> 0:25:7.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And even.

0:25:7.380 --> 0:25:8.910
Droege, Sam
And yeah.

0:25:8.650 --> 0:25:17.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Even when they're beat up or wet, I mean it really it shows up. I don't know what, what that's all about, but it's very, very striking.

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:32.710
Droege, Sam
Right, this Florentin let me just take a quick look. I know yeah, it doesn't have anything even if we're looking at this specimens, it doesn't have anything close. Well, maybe up here. Let's take a look on the side and see if it comes any.

0:25:33.630 --> 0:25:37.780
Droege, Sam
Close, but there's a lot of good pictures out there on the web of these mails.

0:25:39.100 --> 0:25:40.970
Droege, Sam
Of the I don't know.

0:25:41.930 --> 0:25:43.150
Droege, Sam
Me and a key item type.

0:25:44.870 --> 0:25:54.70
Droege, Sam
So yeah, it's gotta hints of it. So these tops would be our what we're talking about in a way, but they're much more my impression would be.

0:25:54.680 --> 0:26:3.740
Droege, Sam
Bigger extend more down all the way down to, I would say at least he 5 and much more curled, tightly curled.

0:26:4.100 --> 0:26:5.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.

0:26:6.310 --> 0:26:6.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.

0:26:8.650 --> 0:26:14.770
Droege, Sam
But there's a hint of it, but the but these are so overwhelming and good character.

0:26:15.570 --> 0:26:18.120
Droege, Sam
That we don't really need the curly hair.

0:26:18.890 --> 0:26:19.640
Droege, Sam
Aspects.

0:26:20.530 --> 0:26:22.120
Droege, Sam
OK and.

0:26:23.380 --> 0:26:32.290
Droege, Sam
You would see in these other species the the scutellum as being a very nicely formed without any little teeth too.

0:26:33.570 --> 0:26:36.620
Droege, Sam
All right, so we get to manipulate them. We got the.

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:40.110
Droege, Sam
Pearls on the sides of the abdomen.

0:26:40.930 --> 0:26:44.680
Droege, Sam
Up and let's see pupil margin.

0:26:45.370 --> 0:26:53.460
Droege, Sam
So the female has tons of little teeth, but, and I don't ever actually look at the male clypeal margin, but it sounds like there are some a couple of teeth.

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:54.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.

0:26:54.540 --> 0:26:55.540
Droege, Sam
On either side.

0:26:55.740 --> 0:27:2.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And some of I'm not sure. And yesterday I I noticed that there are a couple of other species.

0:27:3.830 --> 0:27:4.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.

0:27:11.270 --> 0:27:11.900
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:14.660
Droege, Sam
OK, alright.

0:27:5.320 --> 0:27:14.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That might be interpreted by some as having something like that, but I so I don't. I'm not sure I'm going to leave that in that that part of the couple under.

0:27:16.120 --> 0:27:45.630
Droege, Sam
Alright, so the rest do not have those teeth, or at minimum, don't have these dramatic Tufts of hair. And so now we come to a bifurcation here that is T7 lateral processes nearly triangular to almost bonnefous and T7 lateral processes more broadly, low bait, not triangular. OK, so let's see what I have in terms of mails for any of these.

0:27:46.210 --> 0:27:48.540
Droege, Sam
And we'll put away this one.

0:27:49.330 --> 0:27:59.250
Droege, Sam
And I have a serale and everything else sadly are that I have in my collection. Everything else are.

0:28:1.70 --> 0:28:6.150
Droege, Sam
The are females, but I do have a sirali here so that'll illustrate.

0:28:6.800 --> 0:28:9.710
Droege, Sam
Mattie, you're putting that into the.

0:28:10.410 --> 0:28:11.100
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:28:17.30 --> 0:28:17.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.

0:28:12.790 --> 0:28:18.220
Droege, Sam
Uh. Latter process broader lobate not triangular. So let's take a look at that.

0:28:19.450 --> 0:28:22.70
Droege, Sam
And I'm going to get rid of the label on this.

0:28:24.130 --> 0:28:24.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Where's?

0:28:23.910 --> 0:28:25.880
Droege, Sam
Believe this is from the.

0:28:27.20 --> 0:28:27.980
Droege, Sam
Badlands.

0:28:28.650 --> 0:28:29.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.370
Droege, Sam
They had a bunch of others, which I gave them to Terry.

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:42.750
Droege, Sam
Because he likes pentiums.

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:45.290
Droege, Sam
Should have kept some.

0:28:46.460 --> 0:28:47.550
Droege, Sam
I have to go out again.

0:28:50.570 --> 0:28:51.920
Droege, Sam
Right, let's zoom in.

0:28:53.950 --> 0:28:55.680
Droege, Sam
Here this is useful.

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:8.380
Droege, Sam
So Mike here. Well, we'll just point out, here's a nice dramatic central spine. And here's the lateral projections here. So you wanna talk us through that mic.

0:29:9.170 --> 0:29:12.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. What? What is that that's sticking. Is that part of the genitalia? That's kinda.

0:29:17.250 --> 0:29:17.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:18.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:29:12.820 --> 0:29:19.860
Droege, Sam
I'm gonna say it is maybe one gonna stylist, maybe. I'm not sure we will. We can flip it over.

0:29:20.390 --> 0:29:23.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. So just so people understand that's not part of that.

0:29:23.370 --> 0:29:25.0
Droege, Sam
That's not a thing. Yeah.

0:29:28.530 --> 0:29:28.920
Droege, Sam
Again.

0:29:24.970 --> 0:29:50.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's perfect. You see that, that strong central, narrowly triangular spine. That's Glatz get missing. And on either side of that are we'll just call lateral lobes. And with Cerrelli in the next species, tend your flooring and many others, those lobes are more or less we'd call them broad, certainly not spine like or really narrow.

0:29:51.140 --> 0:29:51.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And.

0:29:52.770 --> 0:29:54.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And with Surya it's it's kind of.

0:30:6.140 --> 0:30:6.760
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:29:57.270 --> 0:30:7.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a little hard to tell, but the apex is pointed and there's a little bit of a concavity of in curving of the inner margin margin.

0:30:8.300 --> 0:30:11.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm and uh, that's yeah, that's good.

0:30:13.470 --> 0:30:14.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, that that's.

0:30:9.610 --> 0:30:15.480
Droege, Sam
So yeah, maybe I'll, I'll change the angle a little bit, but you're talking about right here, right?

0:30:16.170 --> 0:30:16.440
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:30:15.220 --> 0:30:17.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Correct. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

0:30:17.330 --> 0:30:19.650
Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's covered a little bit by hairs, but.

0:30:19.730 --> 0:30:20.170
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:30:20.890 --> 0:30:29.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the only other entities that we know of in the East, and it's very rare is the next species in the couple of tenure Flori.

0:30:31.970 --> 0:30:32.510
Droege, Sam
Everything.

0:30:35.610 --> 0:30:36.120
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:30:38.10 --> 0:30:38.440
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:41.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Which is northern. It's it's a western bean. And but it's been found in Minnesota recently and also on Isle Royale, so geography will probably help in that case, so.

0:30:42.580 --> 0:30:43.700
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I have a.

0:30:42.20 --> 0:30:45.270
Maffei, Clare J
Can you can you say that thing again about where the hairs are covering?

0:30:46.340 --> 0:30:59.750
Droege, Sam
OK, I'm going to try and make. You can speak to it, but I'll. I'll try a different shot if I can get a good angle is it's very curved abdomen. Let's see what a lateral look on this would do for us.

0:31:12.620 --> 0:31:13.940
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:16.550
Droege, Sam
What is going on down there?

0:31:18.230 --> 0:31:23.120
Droege, Sam
No, I think, yeah. So I think this is that projection, but it's completely.

0:31:24.230 --> 0:31:25.880
Droege, Sam
In line with the.

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.820
Droege, Sam
The edge. I'm not sure that's very illuminating.

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:32.370
Droege, Sam
Just to show that it creates.

0:31:33.30 --> 0:31:34.900
Droege, Sam
That pocket? Let me try another angle.

0:31:38.270 --> 0:31:44.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So something else I've noticed with our Indians is I don't get them in bowls very often.

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:49.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know if maybe that's just me, but.

0:31:51.390 --> 0:31:52.840
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:31:54.100 --> 0:31:59.510
Droege, Sam
I'd have to look. I think that we do well.

0:32:0.50 --> 0:32:3.800
Droege, Sam
Umm so I'm I'm looking at the head.

0:32:5.630 --> 0:32:9.820
Droege, Sam
So we do get them in bowls at times.

0:32:11.900 --> 0:32:17.870
Droege, Sam
Like on my trip out West in July, which was a horrible time.

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:20.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's a medial spine.

0:32:21.550 --> 0:32:21.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's good.

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:22.980
Droege, Sam
Umm to our June. Yeah, and.

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:29.460
Droege, Sam
Let's see if we can zoom to the edge of. This is the opposite one we saw.

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.170
Droege, Sam
I'm gonna get a little more. That's about all the magazines you can get, but.

0:32:37.300 --> 0:32:43.330
Droege, Sam
It's those I I wonder if this is this it back here too the that.

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:49.750
Droege, Sam
Concavity, or is that something else? Let me. I'm gonna up the light on this.

0:32:57.840 --> 0:32:58.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.

0:32:59.550 --> 0:32:59.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.

0:32:55.330 --> 0:33:2.440
Droege, Sam
And anyway, I got quite a few of the entity I end bowls, but I certainly have caught them in.

0:33:6.210 --> 0:33:8.520
Droege, Sam
By net quite a bit too, and they're fast.

0:33:20.220 --> 0:33:21.70
Droege, Sam
Right.

0:33:23.590 --> 0:33:32.410
Droege, Sam
So central spine, this is the edge. I'm gonna bring it into focus and we'll see what we can see it. Maybe there's just so much hair there.

0:33:39.90 --> 0:33:39.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:33:33.270 --> 0:33:51.160
Droege, Sam
But I believe it's the problem is. Here's here's the back edge, right? And so this is this little socket that is just, I think maybe in almost any view going to be covered with hairs, but it's it seems to be morphologically it's in a different plane too.

0:33:52.330 --> 0:33:53.600
Droege, Sam
Does that make sense to you, Mike?

0:33:53.810 --> 0:33:55.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:33:54.970 --> 0:33:55.240
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:33:56.620 --> 0:33:58.160
Droege, Sam
So there's a lot.

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:9.810
Droege, Sam
Probably you could just take pictures of all the species T sevens and not have to go any further in terms of IE.

0:34:21.870 --> 0:34:22.250
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.

0:34:8.360 --> 0:34:33.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's, you know, that's that if you know that there's a publication that came out about 10 years ago that basically a revision of all the new world and videos. And it does have that, it has several pages, diagrams of all the T sevens of all the amphibians in the new world and almost all of them are different. I mean, so that in some cases with the males, that's really all you need.

0:34:33.990 --> 0:34:34.500
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:34:34.130 --> 0:34:35.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, for the most part.

0:34:36.350 --> 0:34:38.380
Droege, Sam
Was at Bettencourt's. I can't remember.

0:34:40.810 --> 0:34:41.250
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:34:42.70 --> 0:34:42.470
Droege, Sam
Oh yeah.

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:46.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And now that was Victor Gonzalez and Terry Griswold. I think it's open. I think it's Open Access. Actually. I'm not sure about that though.

0:34:47.670 --> 0:34:50.300
Droege, Sam
Right. I'm gonna bring the light back down.

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:53.220
Droege, Sam
To more reasonable level.

0:34:56.370 --> 0:34:57.800
Droege, Sam
Here and.

0:34:58.640 --> 0:34:59.810
Droege, Sam
OK, let's see.

0:35:3.20 --> 0:35:13.320
Droege, Sam
Do we have uh, we'll go back to the guide here? So yeah, the problem is, let's go back up to here. So we don't have this.

0:35:22.140 --> 0:35:22.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:35:14.500 --> 0:35:22.590
Droege, Sam
First set here that has the spine. I had the females, but that the spinifera ST7 lateral process so.

0:35:28.470 --> 0:35:28.800
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:35:23.250 --> 0:35:30.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're very it's very narrow and triangular, totally different from what we just want to have. I mean and in anybody's.

0:35:31.250 --> 0:35:31.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Your point?

0:35:32.370 --> 0:35:38.620
Droege, Sam
Right, probably more like what we were looking at in the last species, the.

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:43.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
4 * 4.

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:43.260
Droege, Sam
Uh, what's the one with the F is for a titanium?

0:35:45.340 --> 0:35:47.940
Droege, Sam
In terms of its the aspect, so yeah.

0:35:49.890 --> 0:35:51.820
Droege, Sam
An important thing to look at the.

0:35:52.570 --> 0:35:57.320
Droege, Sam
The back ends, yet another picture set that we need to put together to.

0:35:59.40 --> 0:35:59.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'll be good.

0:36:0.100 --> 0:36:18.290
Droege, Sam
OK, so the problem is I'd have no more mails to illuminate anything here. What else do you wanna say about this group of four here we know how to split them into two. Do you wanna talk about macular funds? But versus maculosa sum?

0:36:24.90 --> 0:36:25.50
Droege, Sam
Yeah, in the cell.

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:26.190
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:28.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sure. Yeah. Macular fronds, I think you guys should have that thinking. The east. Yeah. Yeah. And the.

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:30.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It uh.

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:45.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The escape is all yellow and there are little little spiny processes on the underside of the hind. Cox Central Cantor, which not really obvious, but they're there. None of the others have that.

0:36:48.50 --> 0:36:48.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And.

0:36:49.330 --> 0:36:49.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.

0:36:52.240 --> 0:37:8.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The other ones don't have yellow on the escape, but you always gotta be wary of color. At least I am in the entity eyes because every night like we just saw what that obligate them. Sometimes they don't always have the yellow or you expect it to be. So I'll always be wary of that.

0:37:10.830 --> 0:37:12.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, I mean.

0:37:13.50 --> 0:37:13.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Please.

0:37:12.150 --> 0:37:23.220
Droege, Sam
And in my in my macula, Franz and I think of the others I've seen in other people's collections, who brought them by. It's a very pale yellow to off white.

0:37:23.890 --> 0:37:27.430
Droege, Sam
Rather than a bright yellow like the other ones we've been looking at.

0:37:28.0 --> 0:37:30.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right.

0:37:31.390 --> 0:37:41.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And maculosa M is real western. I mean it's there are no records of it, it might be in tallgrass Prairie regions of Texas. But other than that it's far western.

0:37:42.10 --> 0:37:42.330
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:37:42.590 --> 0:37:45.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then 10 year floor, is that real far Northern one so?

0:37:46.230 --> 0:37:49.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, you know, these almost split out geographically.

0:37:50.140 --> 0:37:50.420
Droege, Sam
Right.

0:37:51.350 --> 0:37:51.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Which is out.

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:55.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah.

0:37:56.500 --> 0:37:56.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.

0:37:51.290 --> 0:37:57.210
Droege, Sam
And I have one from I I have Kenya Flory from Isle Royal that female. So we can we'll be able to look at those.

0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:57.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.

0:37:58.250 --> 0:37:59.500
Droege, Sam
Umm so.

0:38:0.260 --> 0:38:5.170
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So I don't even know. Does sirali get that far north?

0:38:6.750 --> 0:38:8.110
Droege, Sam
I think, yeah.

0:38:5.490 --> 0:38:10.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, I think it's southern Michigan. It's, you know, you know and I don't think there's anything further N than that.

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:11.880
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:38:13.340 --> 0:38:13.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.

0:38:29.350 --> 0:38:29.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.

0:38:13.700 --> 0:38:33.110
Droege, Sam
All right. And Umm, so again, a lot of goodness, but again, you can't trust that because a lot of these things are so little collected and a lot of these cool the cool areas that you might go to are also not well collected or a million little pockets of Prairie to investigate.

0:38:33.930 --> 0:38:45.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just it's a helpful guide. It's certainly not a definitive way to identify something usually, but it you know, if you're in northern Minnesota.

0:38:53.410 --> 0:38:53.690
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:53.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I need collective imperium. You know. The odds are pretty good. It's just gonna be one or two of these on the list. It's not gonna.

0:38:55.250 --> 0:38:55.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Anyway.

0:38:56.240 --> 0:38:56.610
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:38:57.940 --> 0:38:58.650
Droege, Sam
Alright.

0:38:59.140 --> 0:38:59.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Emails.

0:39:0.350 --> 0:39:4.210
Droege, Sam
Females, what time do we have, Sydney? I mean Claire.

0:39:7.970 --> 0:39:8.350
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:39:5.820 --> 0:39:9.610
Maffei, Clare J
It is 142 and I'm going to wrap us up on on time.

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:15.260
Droege, Sam
OK, alright. Well, we can start in the is that OK that we start in on the females?

0:39:15.740 --> 0:39:16.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sure.

0:39:15.850 --> 0:39:16.520
Maffei, Clare J
Heck yeah.

0:39:33.730 --> 0:39:37.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's the.

0:39:16.980 --> 0:39:37.230
Droege, Sam
OK, alright, so I spent time looking at the may I may need to pull my specimens here. I'll lose track of what's what. But Mike, do you wanna introduce the females and baby talk about anthidium characteristics that make them anthidium in the female side of things while I'm playing with this.

0:39:37.740 --> 0:40:3.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
With uh, then our geography, all the females have. You know, I don't. This is kind of crazy to say it, but too many teeth to count on demandable. I mean, we're not talking about two or three or four. We're talking about five or more of various sizes. Not really. No other BB group in our in our geography has mandible like that. I mean it's just fascinating to look at them.

0:40:4.790 --> 0:40:14.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But all those little you know, there's some big teeth, some little teeth, but we consider all of those teeth. So basically any B with five or more mandibular teeth.

0:40:16.240 --> 0:40:17.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's only one thing it can be.

0:40:18.660 --> 0:40:20.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In it's it's gonna be this group.

0:40:22.50 --> 0:40:29.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And even when the mandibles are closed and that spread you, you can pretty much determine that. So that's that's a good thing. And there's no role in.

0:40:30.270 --> 0:40:37.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh. Between the clause and they had that classic pale yellow or bright yellow black.

0:40:37.780 --> 0:40:41.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pattern and they're big, most of them, relatively speaking.

0:40:42.570 --> 0:40:42.790
Droege, Sam
Yep.

0:40:43.870 --> 0:40:46.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the most of the females have.

0:40:47.910 --> 0:40:51.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's hard to describe, but the the basic tarsy.

0:40:59.910 --> 0:41:0.540
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:40:52.60 --> 0:41:10.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Incredibly densely hairy, I mean, so much so that, yeah, I'm thinking of Medicaid him females. So you can't you can't see the integument. There's so many dense hairs and that's kind of diagnostic necessarily because some of the letters are like that but.

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:12.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, it's it's interesting.

0:41:15.610 --> 0:41:16.70
Droege, Sam
Cool.

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:16.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.

0:41:17.290 --> 0:41:38.440
Droege, Sam
OK. So we'll just go right into the guide. So the first one is of course a specimen of which I only have a mail, but it sounds like to me, you got a a a line. So a Ridge, a Corina running down right down the middle of T6, splitting it in half, is that that the interpretation?

0:41:40.210 --> 0:41:40.570
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:41:49.690 --> 0:41:49.940
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:41:58.120 --> 0:41:58.910
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:41:37.550 --> 0:42:1.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Not that, not not that dramatically, but it's it's something you would notice, and then it kind of kind of terminates in my identity process. It's unique. I don't think there's any, there's any other species in it that in the country that has the females at which has something like that. So it's very unusual and stands out. That's all you need to see. Almost.

0:42:6.190 --> 0:42:6.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.

0:42:7.670 --> 0:42:8.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's picked the yeah.

0:42:2.610 --> 0:42:10.340
Droege, Sam
Right. And a darker bee, as even the males are a little bit darker where you're talking about the clipping. Simper Ocular area is black.

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:15.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, and that yellow is pale yellow, almost almost whitish, and some of the.

0:42:15.310 --> 0:42:15.560
Droege, Sam
Yep.

0:42:16.290 --> 0:42:16.520
Droege, Sam
Yep.

0:42:26.460 --> 0:42:27.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Thanks.

0:42:17.510 --> 0:42:29.830
Droege, Sam
OK, the others do not have such things. That's why they we start at the top now manipulate them. I actually have Manichaeism females here, so we can put one on deck.

0:42:30.700 --> 0:42:36.780
Droege, Sam
And so I think I when I'm looking at things I'm.

0:42:48.210 --> 0:42:48.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:49.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Nothing like.

0:42:51.570 --> 0:42:51.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:53.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's.

0:42:38.230 --> 0:42:58.330
Droege, Sam
In I'm in areas that don't have these Western things, so I almost always look immediately on this group at the clipeus rims because is it unique that they have these teeth there and I'm gonna, like, got it? That's what it is. I don't have to look any further.

0:42:59.90 --> 0:43:10.210
Droege, Sam
So here you can also see all the teeth on the mandible that we were just talking about and then Mike and talk about the the toothiness of the Clipsal rim there.

0:43:11.220 --> 0:43:17.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, you see the mandibular teeth and the mandibles narrow, you know, a lot of mega. Kyle is having robust.

0:43:18.190 --> 0:43:27.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Mandible throughout and some of the amphibians have. It's a long mandible with a lot of teeth, but it's not as robust as a mega Kylie.

0:43:28.390 --> 0:43:32.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh texana or something like that. The form is different.

0:43:33.830 --> 0:43:47.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So just just a little bit above and behind the mandible, you see this the the apex and margin that clypeus and it's got this these little tiny teeth or denticles along the margin.

0:43:48.540 --> 0:43:52.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And also the margins sticks out beyond what we call the suborbital line.

0:43:58.170 --> 0:44:0.240
Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's got a long ish face.

0:44:3.160 --> 0:44:3.480
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:43:53.970 --> 0:44:3.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And further than all the other native species. And so. Yeah. And that's right there. That's all you need to see. You know, it's medicated.

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:13.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:44:4.770 --> 0:44:15.800
Droege, Sam
What Mike, just, just out of curiosity, are all these teeth for handling fibers? Cause I know sometimes they line the nest with fibers, but I'm not sure if that's across the board.

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:17.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean.

0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:41.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's obviously has something to do with obtaining an or manipulating nesting material, but why they're teeth of multiple sizes and you know and distances between one another and really pretty fascinating to look at that so you know Medicaid them and uses plant fibers, fuzz or Paylocity so to speak.

0:44:40.890 --> 0:44:41.730
Droege, Sam
Yeah, for sure.

0:44:42.70 --> 0:44:46.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they're, you know, they nested tubes and above ground nesting.

0:44:48.290 --> 0:44:51.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Cavities. They don't make the cavities, they use existing ones.

0:44:53.500 --> 0:44:57.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I suppose I don't. I don't know if I've ever been found in the ground or not, but maybe.

0:44:57.800 --> 0:44:58.150
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:44:58.680 --> 0:44:59.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's a.

0:44:58.810 --> 0:45:0.560
Droege, Sam
The wool Carter be.

0:45:0.760 --> 0:45:2.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:45:9.650 --> 0:45:10.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah, look at that.

0:45:3.330 --> 0:45:34.510
Droege, Sam
And here's something interesting, but I think it's a illuminates a larger thing, so this is just a sport. This weird red area on here, and then a little bit over there and my, my take would be that it's just something happened during development, but a lot of times if something weird happens to a bee, it turns reddish rust colored, sometimes the hairs like if there's a damage serotonina will blank out and become reddish instead of yellow.

0:45:35.80 --> 0:45:36.510
Droege, Sam
So just something.

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:44.300
Droege, Sam
That every once in a while you run into, so there it is. The don't have any particular story about that one.

0:45:46.670 --> 0:45:47.520
Droege, Sam
So.

0:45:48.490 --> 0:45:52.800
Droege, Sam
Elsewhere, we don't have to deal with belong.

0:45:54.880 --> 0:46:4.890
Droege, Sam
Oblong them, but oblong. Them would have those little skew teller teeth. Will just look here real quickly at the lack of skew teller teeth.

0:46:13.230 --> 0:46:13.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.

0:46:6.250 --> 0:46:14.600
Droege, Sam
Back here, just a smooth line. And then when we get to oblong, I'm which I also have specimens of. We'll see the teeth in that area.

0:46:14.790 --> 0:46:16.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Do do you have female Florentine them?

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:19.550
Droege, Sam
I do. Should we go to that one next?

0:46:23.390 --> 0:46:23.700
Droege, Sam
Thank you.

0:46:18.590 --> 0:46:27.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, yeah. Yeah, because I think it looks a lot like, well, I haven't seen enough, but it looks similar to some extent to manipulate them and it might ultima.

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.160
Droege, Sam
Yeah, they must be in the same group.

0:46:33.190 --> 0:46:33.430
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:46:34.830 --> 0:46:35.260
Droege, Sam
Alright.

0:46:29.940 --> 0:46:36.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it ultimately, they may be found in the same place. I mean, you know, once if for time expands it could be found together.

0:46:38.790 --> 0:46:40.730
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'm trying to see where this one.

0:46:43.100 --> 0:46:45.30
Droege, Sam
Is from.

0:46:47.410 --> 0:46:48.80
Droege, Sam
Quinta.

0:46:48.790 --> 0:46:49.810
Droege, Sam
Regular where that is.

0:46:50.710 --> 0:46:55.80
Droege, Sam
It sounds like it's Mediterranean. Where is Quetta?

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:56.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know.

0:47:1.180 --> 0:47:6.90
Droege, Sam
Someone will know. OK, so let's actually, you wanna look at the Clippers? I guess first.

0:47:6.40 --> 0:47:15.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, the head I, you know, the ones I've always seen have been completely yellow clips and the females, whereas manicad them always has some black Vasily.

0:47:14.580 --> 0:47:17.450
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh. Have you actually seen specimens?

0:47:19.30 --> 0:47:20.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I have seen specimens.

0:47:23.30 --> 0:47:23.680
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:47:24.770 --> 0:47:25.400
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:47:29.500 --> 0:47:29.900
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:47:21.340 --> 0:47:36.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's been several years, but I've seen photographs and that's the exactly. That's what they look the clip is, is always yellow like that. And then the mannequin them basically the one you showed, and all the ones I've seen that there's some kind of a black triangle or black.

0:47:36.950 --> 0:47:39.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, at the basal part of the clypeus?

0:47:40.420 --> 0:47:40.700
Droege, Sam
Yep.

0:47:46.550 --> 0:47:50.690
Droege, Sam
It's, uh, there's a little weird one right here, right? Maybe.

0:47:41.0 --> 0:47:50.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So and the and there's no teeth there. I mean, if if there are any clip, you'll know it's it's kind of fake. Fake. Yeah. Fake faintly.

0:47:51.470 --> 0:47:51.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:47:53.770 --> 0:47:56.860
Droege, Sam
But here's a mandibular teeth and a lot more yellow.

0:47:57.590 --> 0:47:58.920
Droege, Sam
On this bad boy.

0:47:59.830 --> 0:48:0.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, definitely.

0:47:59.710 --> 0:48:4.640
Droege, Sam
Umm. Let's see what else is in the guide that we need to differentiate?

0:48:6.380 --> 0:48:7.150
Droege, Sam
Parentium.

0:48:8.440 --> 0:48:9.30
Droege, Sam
Uh.

0:48:9.740 --> 0:48:10.550
Droege, Sam
From here.

0:48:18.180 --> 0:48:19.640
Droege, Sam
Oh, right, OK.

0:48:9.660 --> 0:48:21.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think the female female floor in time have uh, T5 and T6 some of like the males have lateral processes which are native ones don't.

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:26.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:30.510
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And basically it doesn't have all the teeth on the clippings that this keeps it away from our friend Mannheim.

0:48:32.610 --> 0:48:32.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No.

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:34.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
A lot.

0:48:32.650 --> 0:48:35.310
Droege, Sam
Let's see. Let me turn this a little bit sideways.

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:36.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Lot of yellow.

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:37.980
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:48:40.470 --> 0:48:45.560
Droege, Sam
You have not. I have not come across one from anybody, but mostly I see US stuff.

0:48:46.380 --> 0:48:48.350
Droege, Sam
Wait, is that did I put the mail on?

0:48:49.60 --> 0:48:49.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:48:49.240 --> 0:48:49.920
Droege, Sam
There's a meal.

0:48:50.810 --> 0:48:52.850
Droege, Sam
Well, maybe I have. Hang on.

0:48:53.430 --> 0:48:54.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
22 males.

0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:54.850
Droege, Sam
Maybe have two males.

0:48:55.980 --> 0:48:58.580
Droege, Sam
Never mind. It's they're both males.

0:49:0.610 --> 0:49:2.620
Droege, Sam
Alright, no wonder. Ohh.

0:49:5.770 --> 0:49:15.830
Droege, Sam
Huh. But I thought I saw a ton of teeth are usually the males have sort of a shadow or mount. Well, maybe there's less, but clearly, yeah.

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:21.940
Droege, Sam
Just looking at it under here, this is a.

0:49:23.750 --> 0:49:39.700
Droege, Sam
Interesting. I'm looking at it now, which of course nobody can see except me and the it's got tea 7 and T6 have pretty good lateral spines like we saw in the other one, but tea?

0:49:41.30 --> 0:49:43.790
Droege, Sam
Umm 4 really does not.

0:49:44.450 --> 0:49:44.920
Droege, Sam
At all.

0:49:45.770 --> 0:49:46.440
Droege, Sam
So.

0:49:46.990 --> 0:49:47.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.

0:49:47.530 --> 0:49:55.420
Droege, Sam
Not sure. Again, these are really old specimens and so it's possible that you know this is a different species or something.

0:49:55.780 --> 0:49:56.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.

0:49:56.960 --> 0:50:2.270
Droege, Sam
So anyway, well, let's say I do not have females of.

0:50:3.280 --> 0:50:9.750
Droege, Sam
Yeah, and move on, but you would not see the in in the other females, you would not see the.

0:50:11.70 --> 0:50:11.460
Droege, Sam
Teeth.

0:50:12.410 --> 0:50:13.480
Droege, Sam
OK so.

0:50:14.30 --> 0:50:14.840
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:17.710
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:50:16.870 --> 0:50:19.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You want to show obligate obligate them real quick the female.

0:50:19.710 --> 0:50:21.70
Droege, Sam
We go to obligate it, yeah.

0:50:23.340 --> 0:50:31.870
Droege, Sam
Alright, so no clipping. Old teeth. I don't know that we need to see that, but we'll go to the skew Tellem, which is sort of the.

0:50:32.670 --> 0:50:37.40
Droege, Sam
Is that what you portrayed here too? Is the go to definitive?

0:50:38.20 --> 0:50:40.310
Droege, Sam
Character. Or do you have other?

0:50:41.230 --> 0:50:42.130
Droege, Sam
Characters.

0:50:41.30 --> 0:50:46.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm the pronotum? I mean the pronotal lobe and that's and the scutellum either one.

0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:50.860
Droege, Sam
OK, alright, let's go to the skew. Tell them first.

0:50:54.850 --> 0:50:56.420
Droege, Sam
Another dark one.

0:50:57.140 --> 0:50:58.460
Droege, Sam
And it will be.

0:51:0.570 --> 0:51:1.610
Droege, Sam
The bend it a little bit.

0:51:2.700 --> 0:51:10.370
Droege, Sam
It's often it is a. It is often difficult to see these things, and sometimes you have to move hairs, run a pin along the edge.

0:51:14.710 --> 0:51:19.620
Droege, Sam
But there there you can see it. So if we look right here.

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:22.130
Droege, Sam
There. So here's the axela.

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:24.80
Droege, Sam
On there.

0:51:23.180 --> 0:51:24.450
Maffei, Clare J
Can you pop up the light?

0:51:25.410 --> 0:51:25.670
Droege, Sam
Yeah.

0:51:27.170 --> 0:51:31.120
Droege, Sam
And at least move it to more of a center on this tube.

0:51:31.530 --> 0:51:32.560
Maffei, Clare J
And five minute warning.

0:51:32.900 --> 0:51:33.620
Droege, Sam
OK, got it.

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:34.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's good. That's good.

0:51:34.870 --> 0:51:38.40
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'll I'll add some more light so we can.

0:51:39.470 --> 0:51:40.860
Droege, Sam
Get a good shot of it.

0:51:46.20 --> 0:51:48.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They can see this is kind of sucked, kind of subtle.

0:51:56.610 --> 0:51:57.0
Droege, Sam
Hmm.

0:51:46.770 --> 0:52:2.430
Maffei, Clare J
While you're well, I was just gonna backtrack that Madeleine offered a while ago in the chat. But the you guys were having a good conversation that they've noticed that the mega Kayla Day in general don't seem to get caught in bowls as much as other groups.

0:52:3.30 --> 0:52:16.100
Droege, Sam
Umm, it depends, but I think if you when you do these calculations so we've got netting versus you know ratios that may Kylie is lower definitely in bowls but.

0:52:17.300 --> 0:52:18.770
Droege, Sam
Rambis mendica.

0:52:19.990 --> 0:52:25.800
Droege, Sam
And some of those other species we see right very regularly in bowl traps, so.

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:32.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Click.

0:52:25.870 --> 0:52:35.830
Droege, Sam
Ohh, other groups are really shy away like hyleas. Calidis really don't wanna go into a bowl trap.

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:50.220
Droege, Sam
And some of that may be that they're working at higher elevations because you put up a vein trap and sometimes you get like, for example, some of the what I call the spring tree high layus sparsest.

0:52:52.400 --> 0:53:21.390
Droege, Sam
Georgica me floridanum murky show up when you throw something away up in the trees and they may. Maybe federal fedoryka too. It just may be that we don't have bowls where they're flying too. It's hard to say. But yeah, in general, naked Kylie, one of the lower end things because you can also, they're very obvious. You can hear them and you can see them. So when you're netting, if there's a Megan Kylie in the area.

0:53:22.0 --> 0:53:24.810
Droege, Sam
You pretty much can 0IN on it.

0:53:25.720 --> 0:53:26.820
Droege, Sam
Umm 2.

0:53:30.410 --> 0:53:32.940
Droege, Sam
Like you don't even do that much bold trapping, do you?

0:53:33.860 --> 0:53:34.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I did.

0:53:33.710 --> 0:53:35.340
Droege, Sam
Where you see a lot of people's stuff.

0:53:42.90 --> 0:53:42.950
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I mean.

0:53:44.470 --> 0:53:44.830
Droege, Sam
Right.

0:53:35.710 --> 0:53:46.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. No, I do some. I mean when if I'm in a new place, a new area, I always make sure I'm put out some bowls. I mean, not not by the hundreds. But, you know, I mean, I did that this.

0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:48.70
Droege, Sam
But do you see the same same thing?

0:53:47.430 --> 0:53:58.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah. Although with Mega College, it's particularly osmia. I usually don't get them in bowls, but sometimes when I do, I get a lot of them. So I don't know what I don't know what that means.

0:53:57.170 --> 0:54:5.870
Droege, Sam
Ohh. Umm ask me a off in the mails are which are often hard to get are surprisingly common in bowls.

0:54:8.230 --> 0:54:9.600
Droege, Sam
And yes, in the spring.

0:54:11.240 --> 0:54:15.220
Droege, Sam
As being our regular, I would say in bull traps.

0:54:18.180 --> 0:54:18.690
Droege, Sam
Yep.

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:20.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So there's that process before we close out today.

0:54:19.770 --> 0:54:23.510
Droege, Sam
And so here's the rest of this you tell them they actually.

0:54:24.830 --> 0:54:28.140
Droege, Sam
Probably running out of time here now, but is there?

0:54:29.250 --> 0:54:32.10
Droege, Sam
You were talking about the pronotal lobe.

0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:32.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.

0:54:34.370 --> 0:54:38.290
Droege, Sam
We'll keep that rather than adjusting the way. Let's see if we can find it here.

0:54:39.10 --> 0:54:39.520
Droege, Sam
Umm.

0:54:58.80 --> 0:54:59.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, there.

0:54:54.450 --> 0:55:0.280
Droege, Sam
I think I have to turn it on its side. And what are we looking for on the pronotal? I don't even know that one.

0:55:0.880 --> 0:55:1.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a.

0:55:2.700 --> 0:55:4.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's got it week lamella.

0:55:5.320 --> 0:55:5.750
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:55:5.990 --> 0:55:8.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Where the other ones don't, and there are few hairs.

0:55:9.680 --> 0:55:10.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's.

0:55:11.350 --> 0:55:18.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's different from all the other ones, but maybe not dramatically so, but I found it useful there. Go get you can kind of see the edge of it sticking out.

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:20.610
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah.

0:55:20.850 --> 0:55:22.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. So the yeah, the other.

0:55:21.340 --> 0:55:23.690
Droege, Sam
No, cool. I I did not know that one.

0:55:23.900 --> 0:55:25.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. The other ones don't have that.

0:55:28.150 --> 0:55:28.730
Droege, Sam
So.

0:55:30.790 --> 0:55:31.650
Droege, Sam
Yep, so.

0:55:28.10 --> 0:55:34.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's kind of transference kind of translucent, you know, some somewhat, someone like a dying tedium. Not to that extent, maybe.

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:55.690
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So here's the edge of the sclerotized, or dark or opaque part. And then there's this little clear, weird rim, which really almost no other groups have at all. And it apparently in Invidium, none of the others have, too. So there's another nice little diagnostic thing to add to.

0:55:56.670 --> 0:55:57.360
Droege, Sam
Your.

0:55:58.300 --> 0:56:7.570
Droege, Sam
Umm your set of information about oblong them or amphibians that you can spout at your next cocktail party.

0:56:16.170 --> 0:56:17.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah yeah.

0:56:18.340 --> 0:56:18.790
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.

0:56:28.530 --> 0:56:29.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah.

0:56:12.10 --> 0:56:29.540
Droege, Sam
So I guess we should probably stop there, Claire, and and then we'll dial in and then we'll probably run to and 50 Elum, but maybe bring in the sudden ethidium and parentium folks with that.

0:56:30.350 --> 0:56:45.290
Droege, Sam
Group that sort of 1 offs and then we can evolve to might as well do the rest of the entity. Any you know have do some DIY antheum and focuses.

0:56:47.700 --> 0:56:49.330
Maffei, Clare J
Sounds like a great plan we have.

0:56:50.130 --> 0:56:51.710
Maffei, Clare J
You know, December mapped out.

0:56:52.550 --> 0:56:53.260
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:56:54.510 --> 0:56:55.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK. Thank you.

0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:57.630
Droege, Sam
Are there questions?

0:57:3.250 --> 0:57:3.680
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:56:54.720 --> 0:57:5.610
Maffei, Clare J
Awesome. Well, we will. We did take the vote that we will see you next week. Mike, will you be able to join us that day before Thanksgiving?

0:57:4.760 --> 0:57:5.950
Droege, Sam
Right now, work for you, Mike.

0:57:6.440 --> 0:57:7.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think so, yeah.

0:57:8.300 --> 0:57:8.670
Droege, Sam
OK.

0:57:8.130 --> 0:57:9.460
Maffei, Clare J
Fantastic. Well.

0:57:10.540 --> 0:57:11.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alright.

0:57:10.980 --> 0:57:11.440
Droege, Sam
All right.

0:57:10.550 --> 0:57:11.570
Maffei, Clare J
See you all.

0:57:11.900 --> 0:57:12.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.

0:57:12.370 --> 0:57:13.700
Droege, Sam
Thanks Claire and Mike.

0:57:12.500 --> 0:57:13.760
Maffei, Clare J
There were times in my place.

0:57:14.780 --> 0:57:15.400
Maffei, Clare J
Thanks.

0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:16.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes, example I talk. Can I talk to you for a second?

0:57:16.980 --> 0:57:17.940
Droege, Sam
Yeah. OK.