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Maffei, Clare J
OK. Well, right so last time we wrapped up mega Kayla Day, we had kind of an
open office hour situation and.
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Maffei, Clare J
The votes were either to go into Endrina, which we are not ready to do, or to
stay within Mega Kayla Day, and that's what we're doing. So going to jump in
with steel is that we chose to jump in with stuff that my guard user didn't
have keys for it, since he will be joining us when he can and we like to go
through his keys.
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Maffei, Clare J
And no class next week because Sam is gonna be somewhere doing something.
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Maffei, Clare J
Though.
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Droege, Sam
Mississippi meetings collecting.
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Droege, Sam
Of course.
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Maffei, Clare J
Of course, collecting Sam, how many bees in each of those transacts from your?
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Droege, Sam
Of the Arizona.
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Maffei, Clare J
A desert? Yeah, the Arizona visit.
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Droege, Sam
My ohhh. My gosh, I we probably are gonna go over 10,000 total but I don't know
what the per transect. Sometimes it's hundreds.
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Droege, Sam
So yeah, and all without any bloom. Essentially no bloom in the deserts, but
there are bees going in the traps.
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Maffei, Clare J
Any wild?
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Droege, Sam
Pretty amazing.
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Droege, Sam
Uh.
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Maffei, Clare J
Umm.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Should are we ready?
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, we're ready. You just, you wouldn't.
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Maffei, Clare J
Go do your thing.
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Droege, Sam
All right, stelis.
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Droege, Sam
He parents hitting B group. I'm gonna share my screen here.
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Droege, Sam
Of megachile Eddie.
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Droege, Sam
And has been split and lumped several different times internally. Now we're in
a lumping phase and I'll show you if I can get to my screen here.
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Droege, Sam
So we are we seeing my screen now?
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Maffei, Clare J
Yes, we are.
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Droege, Sam
OK, this is uh, I'll show you a little bit higher res, but basically this is
from the Arby's of Maryland little online publication. And you're looking at
Steelers. And there's two of the way to think about it is there's two color
groups. One is almost always dark with cream or white markings, and the other
looks a lot like the anthidium entity, elim groups, and they are dark with.
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Droege, Sam
Varying often in Florida, you can get some different colorations, which
sometimes have also been named species.
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Droege, Sam
That are a yellow to orangish yellow markings on that black. So we'll right now
they're all lumped together and I think we'll jump to the microscope now and
take a look at the defining.
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Droege, Sam
Now it's he was ago.
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Droege, Sam
Forward F there we go. The defining characteristic for Steelers, which is
pretty obscure and worthy of a look because sometimes it's hard to see, and
then we'll talk about the gestalt, which is like the kinds of things you should
look at and are stateless and go like, oh, that's probably a Steelers. And
these are very uncommon bees. So nobody gets long strings of them, stateless
laterales, which we'll see is probably the most commonly occurring one in the
east.
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Droege, Sam
And it's an osmia parasite and small about the same size as osmia. And then you
have a variety of others that it's.
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Droege, Sam
Umm that are parasitizing both osmia but also some Megan Kylie groups.
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Droege, Sam
So right now this is the defining character. So if we're looking here on the
the parcel end are the the yeah, this is the tarsus of.
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Droege, Sam
A steel less Louisiana I believe. And what we're seeing here is the tibial
spur, a tibial spur there, which were ignoring and we're looking instead and
This is why it gets confusing, like, oh, you see that that's, is that what
they're talking about? But no, you're looking at the end of the tibia itself
where it would join if they were there. The tarsal segments based tarsi going
off in that direction. And what we're looking at.
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Droege, Sam
Here are two.
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Droege, Sam
Uh. Somewhere between a spine and a lump?
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Droege, Sam
And their pointy, they're not very big. One is longer than the other, and in
the other similar groups, I IE other mega quality, you're only going to see one
stub slash spine.
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Droege, Sam
On that segment. So that's what you look for. And sometimes it's really hard to
see, particularly if you have a small one, the legs are curled up or you're not
quite sure what to look for, but this is this is the basic configuration of all
those.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Maffei, Clare J
Sandwich leg is that.
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Droege, Sam
It's the middle leg.
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Droege, Sam
So the tibia of the middle leg, the end, the apical end, and ignoring the
tibial spur. But looking at the shape and the projections, too small spur like,
let's call it spine. Like, possibly. But they're very they're relatively low
profile and oblique.
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Droege, Sam
So the vibe often though, so here's this is Stelis Louisiana, and it would be.
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Droege, Sam
Instantly sort of thought to be in that anthidium anthidium type of group and
it looks an awful like like them.
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Droege, Sam
And maybe there's reasons for that. A couple things within Luisia A, which is
the one that US northern, the yellow one that us Northerners see you have just
to talk about identification straight species ID.
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Droege, Sam
Is you have T13 and four with lateral markings, not really stripes per se, but
they're complete and in the other possible things like entity and entity LM
parentium these lines are not complete. There are yellow markings, but they're
broken as we might call them in the middle. And this is always sort of fuzzy
line area with maybe markings, maybe not.
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Droege, Sam
Like in, not not well developed in that group. What sort of in a vibe way
characterizes the females in particular, is that the back end of the abdomen is
relatively flattened so and wide. So instead of coming to a nice point or
really being.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Rounded out or thick and I'm going to show the side now it's relatively.
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Droege, Sam
What we dorsal ventrally flattened, so it's squished down as if you took them a
anthidium behind in and just squeezed it with your fingers and so.
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Droege, Sam
This.
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Droege, Sam
Maybe not dramatically is an awful lot flatter and a little bit longer than the
rounded ends of other species, possibly to help with a nest insertion of its
eggs and things like that. While we're looking here, the shape of the rear end
on the females, and sometimes there's actually spines and things back here on
some rare ones Steelers knitted, for example, not Louis CA.
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Droege, Sam
In federalist.
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Droege, Sam
Can be quite different. It's one of the character.
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Droege, Sam
States it's one of the characters, and then there's different states of what
the end of the the segment looks like. Additionally, now that we have this
specimen on deck and we can talk about another character to look at in both the
black and the Yellow Group, so it doesn't really matter is the presence of
upright dark hairs. You can see these hairs, I think pretty well here.
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Droege, Sam
Versus no hairs or in a few cases I guess.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, you see, dark hairs are almost always projecting up. They're almost never
prone like white hairs are, so it's probably more the case. I just don't see
that many to have this all memorized. More of the case that these dark hairs
are present and upright on the back end of that specimen, there's additional
characters and we might look at different specimen to look at on the head in
the.
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Droege, Sam
Head area right at the vertex well might as well zoom in because it's
convenient and what we'd be looking for here is the presence of.
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Droege, Sam
Mark cares at the vertex, so the vertex being in general, this area between the
lateral ocelli and the rear of the head. Here I would say entirely white.
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Droege, Sam
Right.
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Droege, Sam
A lot of times.
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Droege, Sam
In steel less.
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Droege, Sam
You have to look really closely because the as as in several other species
groups, a dark hair is.
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Droege, Sam
Dark on its branches or partially translucent, so it's difficult because of the
way light is being transmitted through it. To see that it is actually a
darkened, not a light here. If we move down, I'm seeing something that might be
possibly dark here, as further down to.
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Droege, Sam
Illuminate that point and do I really see that? So for example, and I don't,
I'm not sure if we look so this would be.
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Droege, Sam
Below and more towards the face. There does appear to be some dark hairs.
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Droege, Sam
Just there, which I don't know is an identification point for this group.
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Droege, Sam
But it could be so.
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Droege, Sam
Within steeliness.
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Droege, Sam
There has been a bunch of taxonomic back and forth and no one has really
revised these or tackled the these in a long time. Frank Parker started, but it
and Terry Griswold shop started in on this but never really finished anything
other than a possible unpublished manuscript that I saw once.
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Droege, Sam
But as you can imagine, the dark specimens and these light colored specimens
have been put into different groups.
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Droege, Sam
Additionally, this is stelis louisae a. This is if I have my information right.
This is a nest parasite of the resin using mega Kylie like.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, exiles and Campanelli.
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Droege, Sam
Which is sometimes split off from Mega Chilote. So interesting taxonomic
association there, this and one other species whose name I can't remember are
the only ones who have this shape to the proposed Umm. So if we look here at
the proposed Yum.
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Droege, Sam
So here's orientation.
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Droege, Sam
Going on and we'll flip this the other direction. So here's the scutellum. It's
projecting a little bit, but nothing like anthidium anthidium rather.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, but you know a little bit confusing again with anthidium having a a very
thin shelf like plate projecting out even further, but this this does project a
little bit.
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Droege, Sam
It's the problem with the taxonomy. Sometimes is like we know it when we see
it, but telling you how to know it when you see it can be tricky. Working with
known specimens way to go. So here's this. The scutellum, and here's the proposal.
Gum. And here in other species, almost all the others except for this and one
other species.
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Droege, Sam
The proposed Yum is dropping off like a Cliff straight down, and here we have a
little shelf. Not exactly at right angles to the surface here, but quite
noticeably angled out, and it's filled. We'll see a better picture of this.
It's filled with squares that are defined by raise line. Karina, if you want.
So there's cells that run all along that.
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Droege, Sam
Area and that that separates out, we see A and again this other species I can't
recall, but we'll see it soon enough.
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Droege, Sam
From the other Steelers and also puts it in its own sub genus, which sometimes
delicate, delicate stelis. Sometimes it's listed. I think it may be even listed
in the.
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Droege, Sam
Discover life genera section.
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Droege, Sam
Our genus section. I'll have to check on that. So if we look now.
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Droege, Sam
Straight down.
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Droege, Sam
We're seeing this shelf filled with these pits.
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Droege, Sam
Big, blocky pits there and when we are going to look at the other species, you
don't really see this projecting out. This would be a vertical.
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Droege, Sam
Section of that bees body and you, if you saw pits, they would be only at the
far lateral sides. So we'll we'll show that next.
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Droege, Sam
So.
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Droege, Sam
Have I mentioned before, but this is these are nest parasites, so the females
don't have scope under the abdomen. This is a female and there are hairs there
though, so it's not that it's bare, it's just nowhere near. I'll show it
nowhere near the.
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Droege, Sam
Density of hairs that you would expect, say, from an anthidium anthidium type
of species because they're not carrying pollen.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, we're going down here. So female.
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Droege, Sam
Here's this flattened the T6 and here are hairs, right?
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Droege, Sam
Down here but.
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Droege, Sam
Were there nowhere near the density of any of the other medications that are
pollen Darian?
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Droege, Sam
Again, when you're starting out, is you could have that question. Is that a
here or is that not?
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Droege, Sam
And that's why the tibial characters are useful.
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Droege, Sam
And always getting your specimens double checked by someone else's. So useful.
So easy to go down a rabbit hole. OK, so.
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Droege, Sam
Let's.
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Droege, Sam
Go to the guides now and let me find that here so we.
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Droege, Sam
Well, if we.
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Droege, Sam
There's a couple things here one.
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Droege, Sam
To have the B generate guide. So in the B General Guide, there's illustrations
of the.
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Droege, Sam
Steelers.
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Droege, Sam
But which seems to have scrolled off of this page somehow.
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Droege, Sam
Go to the top. So we're a lot of times when you have questions now that you're
sophisticated, you would simply go to.
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Droege, Sam
The haze button. So we're in that category now and you get to see all the
various categories and we can do a simple fine for steel list cause you know
that you wanna double check there's your Delica steel list versus steel list.
We want to double check our ID's upload Steelers which I believe is a probably
a Mexican or South American well or Caribbean.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Would presume parasite that's not stelis but like stelis. And here is our
Steelers versus selected other genera.
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Droege, Sam
And why didn't not jump all the way down to where it was supposed to? There we
go and you can see the illustrations of these points here that we just saw
online to.
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Droege, Sam
Dull spine like things and then in the other groups, the other entity I need,
probably you just have a single spine.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so we are done with the B genera. Now let's go to the Steelers page. So on
the Steelers page, we'll just restart the whole guide here.
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Droege, Sam
There are males and females would be separated by presence of a sting, which is
often poking out in the on steel list. Females are much more common and then.
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Droege, Sam
Because you don't have scopal hairs, you're going to be looking probably more
often at the antennal counting as your safe place to determine gender. The
meals. We'll see one hopefully here in a second that have the usual 7 exposed
tergites, since I guess sternites, but tergites at least. But the 7th tergite
usually is tucked way in.
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Droege, Sam
I would call it under ST6, so often it's a little fuzzy as to whether you're
looking at a tergite or a sternite. We'll see a couple examples there. So as we
Scroll down to some of these characters, we have the obvious ones here where
we're looking at the tergite color. So we're seeing with the bright red and
yellow marks on there, and that gets us into Louis, CA, and then these
australis and Grossa.
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Droege, Sam
More southern species. So we see A is a as a group is only is is what most of
us are going to run into species wise in the South Louisiana in the past again
with a lot of mix ups and things too going on in the literature has been split
into floridana and costalis I think. So you'll see those names sometimes, but
right now they're all placed into that one particular group.
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Droege, Sam
Then you have the black and white with some pale markings group which is the
bulk of the things you'll see. So those are these dark ones. And then oops, I
included that by accident. The red ones too. So there is that group and then a
few are completely black.
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Droege, Sam
So already we have some sections that allow us to split things out pretty
quickly.
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Droege, Sam
These.
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Droege, Sam
Umm to I think diversity, color and utter are all we can look at. The map are
are also corpus is Northern Steelers University color are the southern species
so yellow and green down below.
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Droege, Sam
And I think after is maybe a Florida peninsula specialist.
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Droege, Sam
I did want to mention as I was poking around on the web, that a very, very good
guy, one that has really been ginned up by.
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Droege, Sam
And the land fall over the last few years versus.
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Droege, Sam
I mean, I pasquerilla, who basically just took apart Mitchell's guide for.
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Droege, Sam
UH-4 Florida and added in some pictures through his microscope, Glenn has been
adding some really high resolution photography here that you can see. Here's a
lovely shot of the identification character that we were just seeing before to
spines at the end.
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Droege, Sam
For one of his steel of species. But oops, I watched it.
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Droege, Sam
Anyway, they have. I've a pretty complete guide to all the bees in the
peninsula of Florida which.
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Droege, Sam
Our special often have limited distributions and is certainly worthy of a look
sometimes if you're in the South working on be identification as yet another means
of identifying and trying to identify. I'm just realized like, Oh my gosh,
there's so much high quality pictures here that I need to talk to Glenn and see
if we can.
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Droege, Sam
Umm I port some of those over to discover life.
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Droege, Sam
So anyway, there they are.
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Droege, Sam
Yes, it's.
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Maffei, Clare J
Pam, can you just copy and paste that into the chat for everybody instead of
having to like trying to grab a screenshot?
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Droege, Sam
You know, try to just do a ease of Florida.
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Droege, Sam
Who were at this should be it. I'm looking for the general general link here.
Yeah. John Pascarella started it and.
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Droege, Sam
Glenn really made it into something.
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Droege, Sam
Even better. All right. I'm putting it into the chat. Is that the plan here?
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Droege, Sam
In.
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Droege, Sam
Change.
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Maffei, Clare J
Well, we also just saw a very effective search string. So I think that the very
smart people on this call are can be able to figure that out.
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Droege, Sam
Well, I'll put this in for the dumb people on this call. As Claire was
indicated.
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Maffei, Clare J
Thank you. Yes, thank you for including it for me and only me.
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Droege, Sam
Look at you. You're that was a good, good repost there on that.
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Droege, Sam
Attack by myself on peoples mentality. OK, so let's get back to it and not get
in trouble in any sort of way so.
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Droege, Sam
We will go back to the Steelers guide here.
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Droege, Sam
And we restart this. So anyway, these groups may be split out at some point or
another, but right now they're all together mitchener thought they should be
all stay together, so he owes a lot of gravitas.
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Droege, Sam
A lot of these are very straightforward characters, colors, clipeus, color. You
know whether it's black mix and black and yellow and yellow, and then we have
the.
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Droege, Sam
The.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, there's colorations by and next to the compound eyes. It's basically a
yellow stripe as in a lot of other kinds of species that runs up the inner
margin of the eye. And you have different options to.
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Droege, Sam
Market there.
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Droege, Sam
And then color of hair, this is where we were talking about when we were
looking at hair color and if we look at it, let's see if mix of white and dark.
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Droege, Sam
Umm. Yeah, good. Thank goodness Louisiana is not on there, so it should be.
0:23:22.930 --> 0:23:24.780
Droege, Sam
There in the light color.
0:23:25.910 --> 0:23:30.220
Maffei, Clare J
Can we grab one of those before the classes over to see if we can find those
dark hairs?
0:23:30.830 --> 0:23:31.900
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So.
0:23:33.180 --> 0:23:43.910
Droege, Sam
Let's see, I do have specimens there, so I think it was sub emarginata, baby.
Yeah. Let me pull my. So I'll be more genata out.
0:23:45.530 --> 0:23:46.100
Droege, Sam
Let me put.
0:23:47.780 --> 0:23:49.650
Droege, Sam
We see A to bed.
0:23:51.980 --> 0:23:57.550
Droege, Sam
And all the submarginal on a lot of these are so uncommon we've only seen one
or two.
0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:3.990
Droege, Sam
In any of our collecting or partners collecting the years.
0:24:5.800 --> 0:24:13.590
Droege, Sam
Hand traps without pan traps. I'm not sure where some of us would come from the
West, where people were actually collecting a lot by hand.
0:24:17.10 --> 0:24:19.900
Droege, Sam
How are we to determine status of these rare things?
0:24:22.210 --> 0:24:22.620
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:24:24.210 --> 0:24:43.860
Droege, Sam
So theoretically, up there we go. So we have, it's a, it's not all dark, it's
mix, right. So there's not a character that says all dark, let's just really
zoom in here. And so you can see that and as on the skewed them here too,
here's the aselli back of the head.
0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:56.970
Droege, Sam
Compound eye. You have both light colored hairs and a scattering of dark
colored hairs that if you looked too quickly you potentially would or could
miss.
0:24:58.930 --> 0:25:6.660
Droege, Sam
I believe this species now that it's on deck. Well, let's look at a couple
things here. This is one of the groups that has the.
0:25:8.70 --> 0:25:12.140
Droege, Sam
Light colored markings on basically a dark black bee.
0:25:13.370 --> 0:25:20.410
Droege, Sam
Probably osmia well, actually this is a bigger one. You can't tell, so this
could be how Politis maybe.
0:25:21.750 --> 0:25:28.180
Droege, Sam
I'm not sure that we know enough to about these species preferences.
0:25:28.870 --> 0:25:35.300
Droege, Sam
Trying to show you the proposal area not showing it well but.
0:25:36.150 --> 0:25:36.570
Droege, Sam
That.
0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:41.990
Droege, Sam
At least presents over the wings in the way a bit of being.
0:25:43.20 --> 0:25:51.110
Droege, Sam
More vertical without a shelf of pits, but let's see if I can change this to
straight up and down.
0:25:54.70 --> 0:25:58.470
Droege, Sam
Whether that's and we have other specimens, so we can get some of that stuff.
0:26:0.530 --> 0:26:0.980
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:26:3.430 --> 0:26:14.710
Droege, Sam
Yeah, pretty well. So get the arrow out of the way and we'll go up. Min
magnification. We're gonna look for is the lack of a shelf.
0:26:16.100 --> 0:26:32.960
Droege, Sam
For that, what would be called the traditionally, in other groups, the dorsal
section of the proposed Yum. So orientation scutellum propositum is this entire
section here and.
0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:37.830
Droege, Sam
What? I'm gonna bump up the light here one second.
0:26:43.220 --> 0:26:43.590
Droege, Sam
Good.
0:26:44.700 --> 0:26:45.240
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:26:46.310 --> 0:26:48.540
Droege, Sam
And going to.
0:26:50.20 --> 0:26:52.820
Droege, Sam
To really adding a lot of like for now.
0:26:53.850 --> 0:26:54.550
Droege, Sam
The back.
0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:56.390
Droege, Sam
Go in.
0:26:59.60 --> 0:27:13.660
Droege, Sam
What we're looking at is the same area, which is this. It's not a shelf, it's
still present. You still see at the lateral sides these cells that are defined
by raised lines.
0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:19.330
Droege, Sam
But in the center it's gone. So there are the cells disappear as you get to the
center.
0:27:20.130 --> 0:27:37.660
Droege, Sam
Species is it can't be a species specific trait as to how how well defined
those cells are. So it's worth looking at if you have some question marks as to
which species you have, but it's tricky to define and I think we dropped that
character where we were trying to.
0:27:38.670 --> 0:27:42.340
Droege, Sam
Address how to separate out these identifications.
0:27:43.910 --> 0:27:46.60
Droege, Sam
I'm gonna bring up white back down now.
0:27:48.340 --> 0:27:51.740
Droege, Sam
When looking at these dark specimens.
0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.530
Droege, Sam
The a key character in general.
0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:6.570
Droege, Sam
Is the pattern of these light markings. So this is a pretty for this group.
This is a pretty extreme one.
0:28:7.430 --> 0:28:10.530
Droege, Sam
Why can't I get this to go along it out? I have to click on it.
0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:14.940
Droege, Sam
With move it further back.
0:28:16.30 --> 0:28:31.320
Droege, Sam
With quite bold stripes on there and many of the other groups, these are are
simple spots and in a couple they're completely apps. Mostly there is something
to look at here and it's always this cream.
0:28:32.210 --> 0:28:35.710
Droege, Sam
Toleration with sometimes the.
0:28:36.410 --> 0:28:39.460
Droege, Sam
Uh, let's call it the maculation the marking.
0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:48.240
Droege, Sam
Feeding I would call it faded so that it looks sort of like a a dull.
0:28:49.510 --> 0:29:3.300
Droege, Sam
Mark, that has white highlights and I'll show later Ellis that I think has that
rather than this bright bright sort of characteristic weight, let's go to.
0:29:4.570 --> 0:29:9.120
Droege, Sam
This to show that because Ladder Alice is the most commonly seen.
0:29:10.180 --> 0:29:11.210
Droege, Sam
Species.
0:29:12.220 --> 0:29:14.810
Droege, Sam
And so it's good to get a vibe on it and it's got.
0:29:16.370 --> 0:29:31.790
Droege, Sam
A fairly distinct set of patterns of markings on its abdomen, so it has what we
were looking at before the rear face. The podium is essentially vertical, a few
blocky.
0:29:32.610 --> 0:29:33.590
Droege, Sam
Sets of.
0:29:34.580 --> 0:29:45.670
Droege, Sam
Sells on the side of that, that, that first section of the podium and then when
we look at the back here now this is actually quite well marked. So but you can
see so usually it has.
0:29:46.510 --> 0:29:47.560
Droege, Sam
But these can be quite.
0:29:49.110 --> 0:29:53.620
Droege, Sam
Difficult to see sometimes, so these can be quite restricted.
0:29:54.470 --> 0:30:12.660
Droege, Sam
This is, I would say, at the extreme end and the males have more stripes
across, but for females this is quite extensive amount of white coloration on
there. There's still more the Oval or the round than a stripe. And then there's
usually the secondary.
0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:43.330
Droege, Sam
Dots elsewhere and this this one down here is very much what sometimes you will
see for all the ones and this this one shows it too where you're beginning to
lose. This is this is dust that's possibly dust too. That might not be actually
a doctor and where you begin to see that the edges are not well defined things
turn tan and can become darker and darker until it all goes blends in with the.
0:30:43.510 --> 0:30:46.760
Droege, Sam
Black background. But this general pattern.
0:30:48.50 --> 0:30:49.460
Droege, Sam
And not sure if.
0:30:51.0 --> 0:31:20.70
Droege, Sam
What the variation on this is, but this with A at least one set of dots to the
interior on. I guess that's 1234 on T4 is common, but these lateral dots
probably why it was called literalis are pretty distinctive, but things like
corticus and a couple others have something similar enough that needs to be
addressed. So let's pop back here.
0:31:20.810 --> 0:31:27.620
Droege, Sam
Turn that off. So we've looked at this, the dark erect errors on the on T6.
0:31:28.340 --> 0:31:40.70
Droege, Sam
And and here's the sub general if you so desired. And so we'll now go to the
hidden characters, which are always findable.
0:31:40.870 --> 0:31:43.190
Droege, Sam
By going to the menu.
0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:59.410
Droege, Sam
And clicking on has now every single character in the guide shows up here, and
we can scroll through these to see if any of these any others of these are in
need of illumination.
0:32:0.550 --> 0:32:13.370
Droege, Sam
So dark hair is yes. Tour guide collars. Yes, we've covered that female abdomen
S6 shape. So this is.
0:32:13.930 --> 0:32:29.160
Droege, Sam
So for some species this makes it super easy to narrow it down they because
they have things like spines. So here on if we look at somewhat concave and
center with a distinct central spine.
0:32:30.890 --> 0:32:32.710
Droege, Sam
Ooh, I have to click has.
0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:39.600
Droege, Sam
Are beers only two species and when you see one of these you it's they're just.
0:32:40.570 --> 0:32:51.100
Droege, Sam
Which sadly, I don't have any females of these two species. It's really
dramatically present there, and so there's several other versions of.
0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:52.850
Droege, Sam
This.
0:32:54.50 --> 0:32:57.480
Droege, Sam
Umm. And we can take a look at.
0:32:59.220 --> 0:33:10.910
Droege, Sam
To the state point in the center at her and diversa color. I don't know that I have
those, and I might actually. I've got some specimens from the Smithsonian here.
0:33:12.570 --> 0:33:16.140
Droege, Sam
And this is diversity color, is it a male or a female?
0:33:19.970 --> 0:33:21.530
Droege, Sam
And it is a male so.
0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.290
Droege, Sam
Uh, and I don't have a term that's that.
0:33:25.40 --> 0:33:26.670
Droege, Sam
Species from Florida.
0:33:28.510 --> 0:33:30.40
Droege, Sam
Let's see if we can find.
0:33:33.180 --> 0:33:43.700
Droege, Sam
No. So it was fine. No central spine, somewhat concave. So you're looking at S,
let's see evening rounded situation. So let's take our.
0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:48.180
Droege, Sam
Laterallus, which is under the scope and take a look at that.
0:33:49.570 --> 0:33:50.720
Droege, Sam
PS6 area.
0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:56.470
Droege, Sam
Don't know that we need to spend too much time on this because it's going to
look like.
0:33:57.740 --> 0:33:59.60
Droege, Sam
But probably most.
0:34:0.0 --> 0:34:0.780
Droege, Sam
Of these.
0:34:2.520 --> 0:34:5.490
Droege, Sam
Boots click let's take down the power.
0:34:8.980 --> 0:34:15.870
Droege, Sam
So here we have the female. You'll notice that there are hairs, but not a whole
lot. And when we look.
0:34:16.650 --> 0:34:20.640
Droege, Sam
Yeah. This area, we see that there's.
0:34:21.350 --> 0:34:36.610
Droege, Sam
Not much of anything going on down here. It would look like almost any other
kind of beat. Let's see if we can find something that's a little bit different.
So that's evenly rounded across on S6 and no central spine, somewhat concave in
center, no central spine.
0:34:37.790 --> 0:34:38.480
Droege, Sam
Perhaps.
0:34:39.210 --> 0:34:42.500
Droege, Sam
No permaculture, I don't have that one either. OK, so.
0:34:44.750 --> 0:34:48.460
Droege, Sam
Can be a great character if you have a central spine, otherwise.
0:34:50.90 --> 0:35:14.340
Droege, Sam
And possibly there's a A pointed ones, but relatively few species are split
out. Then we get into these differences between species, which I'm not going to
go into at the moment because these are just such rare things that I think
those and I don't have specimens for all of them because of that, that those
would have to be.
0:35:15.490 --> 0:35:28.120
Droege, Sam
Learned as you have the specimens come along clipeus color. We talked about
head color of the hair. We talked about that too. And the yellow now the mails.
0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:30.360
Droege, Sam
We haven't talked about very much.
0:35:31.70 --> 0:35:32.780
Droege, Sam
Pull this specimen and.
0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:34.930
Droege, Sam
Bring in a.
0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:41.930
Droege, Sam
Steal his Louisiana again, but this time a male leave. It was at one point.
0:35:43.90 --> 0:35:46.100
Droege, Sam
Called corticus in this case.
0:35:49.50 --> 0:35:55.250
Droege, Sam
No, it was called. Sorry, that court, because that's a legit species cost to
us.
0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:58.230
Droege, Sam
And.
0:35:59.820 --> 0:36:0.490
Droege, Sam
This one.
0:36:1.690 --> 0:36:2.240
Droege, Sam
Oh, here it is.
0:36:3.70 --> 0:36:5.670
Droege, Sam
And we look at the mails which have.
0:36:6.830 --> 0:36:10.480
Droege, Sam
Really different types of.
0:36:12.450 --> 0:36:13.820
Droege, Sam
Sheeps to.
0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:22.810
Droege, Sam
T7, which is a little bit difficult to see, that's why I wanna show this. Here
I only have a few males.
0:36:26.110 --> 0:36:26.610
Droege, Sam
There we go.
0:36:30.30 --> 0:36:34.260
Droege, Sam
Because of the way the abdomen shaped.
0:36:35.130 --> 0:36:42.810
Droege, Sam
We'll go back. So what we're looking at here is let's see, has outplayed turned
off, the has is up there. I did.
0:36:43.870 --> 0:36:44.940
Droege, Sam
Has.
0:36:45.700 --> 0:36:46.650
Droege, Sam
A.
0:36:48.80 --> 0:36:59.360
Droege, Sam
This this first character is the Louis, CA and Australis, again one which has
as usual, a number of really fantastically great characters that.
0:37:0.560 --> 0:37:2.470
Droege, Sam
Should have been spread around to.
0:37:3.450 --> 0:37:7.890
Droege, Sam
The other steel a species but was not so.
0:37:8.660 --> 0:37:10.840
Droege, Sam
But we'll start with this one because it's quite.
0:37:11.510 --> 0:37:12.340
Droege, Sam
Distinct.
0:37:20.460 --> 0:37:21.520
Droege, Sam
OK so.
0:37:23.690 --> 0:37:27.110
Droege, Sam
I think a little bit of the trick here is that.
0:37:29.40 --> 0:37:54.20
Droege, Sam
If we're counting back, I guess think that's one which we're doing the turkeys
123456 from the top, you only see these six. So that's why it general it makes
sense to do antennal counts on steel lists because or you look for genitalia
sticking out because the 7th abdominal segment here.
0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.110
Droege, Sam
They can get a little bit more light on that.
0:37:59.580 --> 0:38:3.250
Droege, Sam
They have to bump it up in the program.
0:38:4.270 --> 0:38:20.40
Droege, Sam
Is right here. So and this is a relatively small segment too, so again pretty
easy to miss. Let's see if we can bring this in and I might have to turn this
sideways, but the cool and neat thing about.
0:38:21.90 --> 0:38:24.810
Droege, Sam
This species, let's let's bring in more like.
0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:34.40
Droege, Sam
Is. It's got quite the almost like a spine. Little mountain like peak.
0:38:35.20 --> 0:38:36.170
Droege, Sam
Inside there.
0:38:36.870 --> 0:38:37.660
Droege, Sam
That makes.
0:38:38.540 --> 0:38:41.160
Droege, Sam
Right here. Like so, let me boost it up.
0:38:44.430 --> 0:38:50.680
Droege, Sam
Uh, that becomes quite obvious. I'm going to change it to a.
0:38:51.430 --> 0:38:52.270
Droege, Sam
Inside view.
0:38:53.870 --> 0:38:57.460
Droege, Sam
So it's a little more defined.
0:39:2.690 --> 0:39:17.140
Droege, Sam
Yeah, these are as a group, this is the kind of thing that you just have to
collect a lot of bees before you run into these or you're somehow lucky and
working with a nesting aggregations of.
0:39:18.250 --> 0:39:19.340
Droege, Sam
Their hosts.
0:39:21.130 --> 0:39:21.820
Droege, Sam
And.
0:39:22.510 --> 0:39:23.170
Droege, Sam
You can spot them.
0:39:24.670 --> 0:39:31.240
Droege, Sam
It's a little bit blown out from the high light intensity, but now you can
pretty clearly see.
0:39:32.170 --> 0:39:46.60
Droege, Sam
Some problem with dark things, so here's this mountain. Ish spine ish broadly
based. If we turned it to the other direction feature of T7 in Steelers Louis,
CA.
0:39:48.180 --> 0:39:49.730
Droege, Sam
Go back to the guide here for a second.
0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:51.80
Droege, Sam
And.
0:39:51.770 --> 0:39:54.310
Droege, Sam
There are other.
0:39:55.250 --> 0:40:5.320
Droege, Sam
Groups that match some of the kinds of things that we look at in other species,
flat across the end sharply and obviously pointed in the center of the rim.
0:40:6.860 --> 0:40:12.950
Droege, Sam
Really just don't have very many males. Yeah, that's only steal us australis,
which I have a female of.
0:40:14.190 --> 0:40:19.780
Droege, Sam
And to slightly concave and then trilobed which is the trilobed 1.
0:40:21.100 --> 0:40:23.100
Droege, Sam
Near the. Yeah. And I don't have that one either.
0:40:24.540 --> 0:40:37.200
Droege, Sam
But if you have those specimens, those become very helpful. Here we get into
the differences among the species, which we're not gonna spend any time on
because everything is so rare.
0:40:38.270 --> 0:40:43.680
Droege, Sam
And I think we're dialing down to the end.
0:40:44.870 --> 0:41:5.800
Droege, Sam
Oh, so here. I guess we did keep these pit things. So recall when we were
looking at the first specimen, Steelers Louisiana, that we had these square
pits that were on a shelf. And this particular case and ran completely across
the segment here. I think what we're just looking at is.
0:41:6.580 --> 0:41:29.160
Droege, Sam
The uh, the the pattern and completeness of those rectangular cells across that
whole section. So here we run. Let's just see what's going on here. Have I said
the problem with has and do you often leave a click mark somewhere else?
Fortunately, it's in blue. We have not.
0:41:30.260 --> 0:41:37.140
Droege, Sam
That will mess up your searches afterwards. So what is absent? So there are a
few apps, that ones.
0:41:38.930 --> 0:41:39.940
Droege, Sam
In summer.
0:41:40.650 --> 0:41:48.280
Droege, Sam
Not so here. Interestingly, we have females and males, but not their opposite sexes
sometimes.
0:41:49.940 --> 0:41:54.180
Droege, Sam
And complete. So this should be stateless Luisa A and.
0:41:55.210 --> 0:41:55.570
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:41:57.590 --> 0:42:0.850
Droege, Sam
Uh, look, looks like several others can fall into that category.
0:42:1.780 --> 0:42:5.120
Droege, Sam
Interrupted. But this is the percentage. Whoops.
0:42:8.620 --> 0:42:14.250
Droege, Sam
And OK, I'm that we're wrapping it up here because we're seeing.
0:42:14.940 --> 0:42:15.470
Droege, Sam
Ohm.
0:42:17.730 --> 0:42:21.180
Droege, Sam
You know, a lot of overlap between these categories.
0:42:21.950 --> 0:42:23.770
Droege, Sam
It may be something that we should just drop.
0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:26.870
Droege, Sam
And I I'll also point out.
0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:28.660
Droege, Sam
That.
0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:41.700
Droege, Sam
Another difference between a lot of the black ones and the yellow ones is the
presence which I'm shifting now and then we can take questions if there are
any. And I'm gonna bring back the light.
0:42:42.730 --> 0:42:44.440
Droege, Sam
To something more reasonable.
0:42:46.300 --> 0:42:47.220
Droege, Sam
At 100.
0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:55.230
Droege, Sam
And.
0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:1.890
Droege, Sam
That on the.
0:43:5.610 --> 0:43:6.770
Droege, Sam
Thorax.
0:43:7.550 --> 0:43:38.50
Droege, Sam
The Meese EPI sternum, which is the big plate below the front wing, here's the
tegula wing. With this Telus, the wing cover skewed them. This is me, the EPI
sternum, sometimes called the pleura. Mitchell would call it the pleura. And as
you see in a number of groups, particularly in the anthidium one, sometimes
there's a a sharp demarcation between the lateral.
0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:46.830
Droege, Sam
Facing surface of the proposed Yum of the means that be sternum and the
anterior or front facing surface. So in this case.
0:43:47.690 --> 0:43:50.70
Droege, Sam
You can make it out here. I think a little bit.
0:43:50.910 --> 0:44:6.560
Droege, Sam
And what we're looking at is a sharp line. So you see that sharp line. This is
basically where the legs, the front legs tuck in. If it's a tuck in situation
for this speed and so.
0:44:8.130 --> 0:44:33.810
Droege, Sam
Some guy, a little fancy and made it a sharp line, a little raised line. This
tucks in, perhaps better, because that in others have the old model, which is
this entire area, is not sharply defined, demarcated, no raised line No2 plate
like surfaces going on and it's simply rounded over. Those would be, I think,
all of the black ones.
0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:44.160
Droege, Sam
Again, the Steelers, Louise A. This is just a subspecies of it has a number of
pool characters that others do not.
0:44:45.0 --> 0:44:45.620
Droege, Sam
And me?
0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:52.230
Droege, Sam
Engender it as a separate genus at some point when the molecular people get
hold of it.
0:44:52.900 --> 0:44:54.440
Droege, Sam
I think that's all I have.
0:44:55.960 --> 0:45:0.270
Droege, Sam
I will open it up. Claire, do we have any questions?
0:45:2.170 --> 0:45:6.210
Maffei, Clare J
There's nothing in the chat, but I I'm gonna put.
0:45:7.370 --> 0:45:15.500
Maffei, Clare J
This steel is that David sent and David can unmute and give us the story
because it's blue.
0:45:16.260 --> 0:45:21.610
Droege, Sam
Ohh yes, that's that's cool. Western one. What's the name of that?
0:45:24.660 --> 0:45:25.420
Maffei, Clare J
Is he still on?
0:45:27.810 --> 0:45:28.290
Maffei, Clare J
He.
0:45:28.170 --> 0:45:29.720
David Cappaert
OK, here I am. Here I am.
0:45:26.460 --> 0:45:30.160
Droege, Sam
I don't know, but it's just points out. Ohh yeah. Yeah, OK.
0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:30.790
David Cappaert
So.
0:45:29.100 --> 0:45:31.190
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, they're OK. I didn't know if he was. Yep.
0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:42.760
Droege, Sam
Hmm.
0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:44.30
David Cappaert
So this is a batch of specimens that came from Lauren Phenicia at University of
Oregon. This one has a Terry Griswold determination. It does not have a species
name and it's from your Yosemite.
0:45:45.220 --> 0:45:53.930
Droege, Sam
I think I can put a species name because I have a splurge specimen and I just
don't think there's more than one of these around.
0:45:54.650 --> 0:45:55.260
David Cappaert
Mm-hmm.
0:45:55.380 --> 0:45:56.80
Droege, Sam
That.
0:45:56.890 --> 0:45:59.160
Droege, Sam
Is in this collection.
0:46:0.620 --> 0:46:2.330
Droege, Sam
Yeah. What is it? This is like a.
0:46:1.300 --> 0:46:3.900
Maffei, Clare J
Sam is from the Smithsonian. Or is this ours?
0:46:3.90 --> 0:46:6.430
Droege, Sam
Yeah, this is like 100 hundred year old collection that.
0:46:6.800 --> 0:46:7.230
Maffei, Clare J
Mm-hmm.
0:46:7.570 --> 0:46:13.480
Droege, Sam
Someone was had at their house. This is from Corvallis. Ohh my gosh, look at
that.
0:46:12.990 --> 0:46:14.680
David Cappaert
Hello wow interesting.
0:46:14.630 --> 0:46:16.740
Droege, Sam
And Steve was Montana.
0:46:17.510 --> 0:46:21.160
Droege, Sam
So people could do a quick look up and see if that still the name.
0:46:22.70 --> 0:46:25.90
Droege, Sam
And determiner was.
0:46:27.340 --> 0:46:28.80
Droege, Sam
I can't read it.
0:46:29.690 --> 0:46:35.430
Droege, Sam
But night from 1932 and it was collected in 31 May 16th.
0:46:36.890 --> 0:46:38.240
Maffei, Clare J
Wow, it's an old Bing.
0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:41.640
Droege, Sam
Yeah, very cool. Not a super big bee, but certainly.
0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:44.120
Droege, Sam
You know, it went metallic.
0:46:45.110 --> 0:46:55.690
Droege, Sam
Which must be some pretty easy to do things since the number of bees, there's
nothing like ohh kind. You know, there's not a lot of kind of metallic, a lot
of them. Just switch on the.
0:46:56.380 --> 0:46:58.90
Droege, Sam
Greens in the Middle Blues.
0:46:58.580 --> 0:47:0.370
David Cappaert
Yeah. The other one, Sam.
0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:0.690
Droege, Sam
But yeah, that's really nice one.
0:47:3.540 --> 0:47:4.230
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
0:47:1.50 --> 0:47:7.90
David Cappaert
The other one I sent to Claire just a minute ago is hoplites. That is equally
iridescent blue.
0:47:7.310 --> 0:47:7.650
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:47:8.370 --> 0:47:8.890
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:47:8.170 --> 0:47:8.950
David Cappaert
A bit of a surprise.
0:47:8.530 --> 0:47:10.550
Maffei, Clare J
Look at that. Look at that.
0:47:10.790 --> 0:47:14.170
Droege, Sam
Is that fogeda or no? It says Louisiana OK.
0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:14.750
David Cappaert
Hmm.
0:47:15.410 --> 0:47:22.570
Droege, Sam
The and we don't have either of those metallic members out in the east, so.
0:47:23.220 --> 0:47:23.840
Droege, Sam
You're lucky.
0:47:25.60 --> 0:47:25.630
David Cappaert
Umm.
0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:26.780
Maffei, Clare J
It's so pretty.
0:47:29.190 --> 0:47:35.980
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah it does. Anyone have any other questions or things that you wanna share on
the screen for the good of the glass?
0:47:38.240 --> 0:47:39.970
Droege, Sam
Any mystery steel lists or?
0:47:40.910 --> 0:47:44.10
Droege, Sam
Stories I do. Let's see. There was something I wanted to mention.
0:47:45.330 --> 0:47:55.380
Droege, Sam
Ohh I'll just mention that if anyones interested you could e-mail myself or
Claire really. We're gonna have a Bombus affinis gathering.
0:48:3.650 --> 0:48:3.910
Shaun McCoshum
Yeah.
0:47:56.520 --> 0:48:11.370
Droege, Sam
To share information about the species and Appalachia. So there's this isolated
population mostly in Virginia and West Virginia. But Mark Heppner refounded in
Maryland.
0:48:12.140 --> 0:48:13.40
Droege, Sam
This past year.
0:48:14.40 --> 0:48:32.500
Droege, Sam
And there's possibilities of also at being down North Carolina at minimum. And
anyway, there's a lot going on. It's isolated. Nothing in Ohio, Kentucky, other
parts of Virginia and Maryland and to the northeast. And then you have to go
all the way over to the.
0:48:33.420 --> 0:49:2.950
Droege, Sam
Four Corners area of the Midwest to get the main stem, which is insane. Much of
Bombus affinis why they both are still exist, and those areas are not others
very mysterious anyway, if you're interested, you can e-mail us. It's
basically, yeah, an open discussion. We give people 10 minutes slots. There's
three hours now of 10 minute slots that people are sharing the information that
they have or are planning to do for.
0:49:3.430 --> 0:49:4.960
Droege, Sam
Our friend Bombus affinis.
0:49:9.80 --> 0:49:10.600
Maffei, Clare J
We did get a question in the chat.
0:49:11.170 --> 0:49:11.640
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:49:11.0 --> 0:49:17.910
Maffei, Clare J
Umm, you mentioned asked me I as one of the hosts. What are some other common
hosts? I think you said the pilots in general.
0:49:17.590 --> 0:49:40.950
Droege, Sam
Umm yeah, so osmia I think the the I wanna say, but I'm not 100% sure that the
common pattern is that the little dark ones are osmia the medium sized dark
ones are hoplites and the colorful ones are mega Kylie. But I'm not certain of
that and there could be.
0:49:42.430 --> 0:49:53.80
Droege, Sam
Other shenanigans with tricosa and things like that, but if anyone has any
information, I'm sure it's out there, I just I'm not aware of it. This is just
my impression.
0:49:58.160 --> 0:49:58.910
Maffei, Clare J
Umm.
0:50:0.500 --> 0:50:3.700
Maffei, Clare J
Spencer says. I think stelis. Mm-hmm.
0:50:5.230 --> 0:50:7.730
Maffei, Clare J
Court chicas, hmm.
0:50:7.970 --> 0:50:8.730
Droege, Sam
Who articus.
0:50:8.960 --> 0:50:12.430
Maffei, Clare J
There we go. There we go. Corticus. That's how you break that down
phonetically.
0:50:12.980 --> 0:50:16.430
Maffei, Clare J
Ah, steel is correct, because has been found with varieties.
0:50:17.150 --> 0:50:22.750
Droege, Sam
Oh wow. Yeah, it is. Yeah, of course. Because he's a pretty tiny one, and that
makes sense.
0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:32.590
Maffei, Clare J
Uh, Jeff asked. When is the baby's affinis discussion that the 28?
0:50:31.50 --> 0:50:32.780
Droege, Sam
Oh, sorry, Friday.
0:50:33.820 --> 0:50:37.390
Droege, Sam
Friday at starting at 10 eastern.
0:50:38.460 --> 0:50:39.820
Maffei, Clare J
Yes, this Friday the 28.
0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:42.590
Maffei, Clare J
There.
0:50:40.290 --> 0:50:45.670
Droege, Sam
Yeah, we can just send you a teams link and you can click and join.
0:50:45.420 --> 0:50:46.420
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, just e-mail me.
0:50:47.430 --> 0:50:47.780
Maffei, Clare J
Sam.
0:50:51.420 --> 0:51:18.340
Droege, Sam
All right, that was easy. You know the, you know the I'll say the problem is,
if we invite Mike, then Mike and I have share too many stories and get into all
the all kinds of other details or arguments over species things. So I'm sorry
that mikes not here because I'm sure he has lots to add, but we actually are
just finishing up the entire genus in one session, which is pretty amazing.
0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:23.600
Maffei, Clare J
It's a small one though, and you don't have any samples, so kinda.
0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:25.180
Maffei, Clare J
There's that.
0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:28.60
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
0:51:23.350 --> 0:51:40.890
Droege, Sam
Right. Yeah. And then people don't run into them enough to really have to worry
about a lot of. Well, if you run into, you know, per maculatus, then you have
to watch out for this. But. And, you know, I've seen many of these just one
time in a few, not at all.
0:51:45.220 --> 0:51:51.560
Maffei, Clare J
And if you want to come off, you can share this with the group. But Spencer
says, I think I saw on discover life that.
0:51:52.260 --> 0:51:58.110
Maffei, Clare J
Umm Stelis Nita was going after asking a bucephala any idea where that came
from?
0:51:59.720 --> 0:52:20.70
Droege, Sam
Umm, I'm not sure I've clicked in one once and I knitted. Or maybe I've seen
two. It's the biggest of those black ones, so it would make sense that it would
be chasing after the larger things and bucephala, as befitting the name
Bucephalus was Alexander the Great Giant horse.
0:52:21.750 --> 0:52:26.470
Droege, Sam
Is big, so where that came from certainly wasn't from me.
0:52:27.530 --> 0:52:30.870
Droege, Sam
That perhaps someone has founded a nest or something.
0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:34.390
Spencer Hardy
Thank you.
0:52:39.910 --> 0:52:40.490
Maffei, Clare J
OK.
0:52:41.460 --> 0:52:41.940
Droege, Sam
Or any.
0:52:42.190 --> 0:52:54.370
Maffei, Clare J
While no class next week, while Sam Adventures and then so we'll be back, we'll
set the second week in October and I think we said we were gonna come back with
the entities.
0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:56.540
Maffei, Clare J
I think.
0:53:0.10 --> 0:53:0.330
Maffei, Clare J
Umm.
0:52:54.970 --> 0:53:1.190
Droege, Sam
OK. Yeah. And do we have a Mike Scott good keys for those who you can look
those up and practice?
0:53:1.870 --> 0:53:5.30
Droege, Sam
And do we? Windsor next guest speaker?
0:53:6.120 --> 0:53:7.270
Droege, Sam
Do we have anything lined?
0:53:6.670 --> 0:53:9.700
Maffei, Clare J
Uh, we do we have.
0:53:12.890 --> 0:53:18.320
Maffei, Clare J
Maybe it's actually not until December. Jamie Strange is joining us December
7th.
0:53:19.20 --> 0:53:19.420
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:53:20.170 --> 0:53:20.780
Droege, Sam
And.
0:53:20.0 --> 0:53:21.330
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, I thought it was sooner too.
0:53:21.980 --> 0:53:35.110
Droege, Sam
And also if anyone has any suggestions or knows someone or wants to talk about
a guy that they've developed or bring someone else in on who's a specialist on
identification.
0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:37.220
Droege, Sam
That would be awesome.
0:53:38.550 --> 0:53:39.770
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, we would love that.
0:53:38.810 --> 0:53:56.220
Droege, Sam
Particularly as we go out to the West, you know, so these Western things and we
can jump around because people are mostly looking these things up online. But
it'd be nice to have some start thinking about bringing in some more Westerner
folks to discuss.
0:53:57.390 --> 0:53:58.630
Droege, Sam
The nuances there.
0:54:1.700 --> 0:54:2.210
Droege, Sam
All right.
0:54:2.640 --> 0:54:2.990
Maffei, Clare J
Great.
0:54:3.920 --> 0:54:4.650
Droege, Sam
Thanks everyone.
0:54:3.990 --> 0:54:6.210
Maffei, Clare J
OK, we'll see you all in a couple weeks.
0:54:7.210 --> 0:54:8.340
Droege, Sam
Yep. Thank you, Claire.
0:54:9.310 --> 0:54:9.780
Maffei, Clare J
I.