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Mary Jo Mosby (Guest)
You know.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
Don't have any announcements this week, Sam. We have a couple other people for
fall slash winner for bumbles hopefully coming in, but.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
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Maffei, Clare J
You know, we'd love to hear what worked.
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Maffei, Clare J
Umm. And anybody else that you want to recommend or guess like that? Anybody
who's just been here for a minute? Where wondering what to do after Mega.
Kylie. So taking taking
thoughts.
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Maffei, Clare J
And I I'm gonna pass it over to you all now.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, I just want to check in here with you. Mike. Did we do addenda last time
or did we not do it?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I I I thought we did.
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Droege, Sam
OK, alright.
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Mary Jo Mosby (Guest)
This is Mary Jane.
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Droege, Sam
How we do?
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Maffei, Clare J
We did do addenda. I have, Umm, I have it in my.
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Mary Jo Mosby (Guest)
Yes.
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Maffei, Clare J
Notes.
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Mary Jo Mosby (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
OK, alright, good.
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Droege, Sam
So then I think then we are at the cusp of mandible with four teeth. And so we're in Mike's guide. I'm gonna
share my screen here and.
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Maffei, Clare J
Mike, I just accidentally unmuted you.
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Maffei, Clare J
Or I accidentally muted you, so you'll need to unmute.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, there we go.
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Droege, Sam
All right and.
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Droege, Sam
So we are in mikes guide and this is we've been Mike has been adding several
versions. So if you don't maybe we'll send out maybe
Claire you could send out another version here because Mike's been working on
this as we've been going on. So it has multiple
benefits to the community.
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Droege, Sam
I thought we're focusing MIC on some things.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so I think we left off here. We did addenda. Has that nice, lovely central
spine and is pretty identifiable from its aspect of
its rear end. And now if we look, we have mandible with four teeth versus
mandible with three teeth. And the general problem is if you have not pulled
the mandibles while the specimen was fresh, as we've spoken about several
times, it's really difficult to do that after the
fact.
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Droege, Sam
In fact, Mike, you pretty much say like it's impossible. Like even with relaxing you can't get those mandibles open or is that not
100% true?
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's tricky. Yeah, you can lose heads. Definitely. You know, it just depends.
Sometimes you can.
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Droege, Sam
Great.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You've been without spreading them with depends on how the pubescent sound like
libius is, and sometimes you can see the teeth. Other
times you're not entirely sure, so you might have to go both ways and the key
to assume.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. And then discover life. We have the same thing, and you view might just
completely not click on on either because you
wouldn't know the teeth. And yes, sometimes the mandibles are, you know, if
it's an ethyl acetate or something, there's a tendency for the mandibles be
open a little bit.
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Droege, Sam
But if not, then usually there's a lot of clips. You'll hair that's hanging
down, and then just the overlapping and the recessed and a lot of times I just
can't, can't tell but.
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Droege, Sam
If we so but we're following the guide and it's fine because the each both
discover life and the dichotomous keys have different
pathways. But if you couldn't, you would follow both and see where that took
you and look at pictures and associated additional information to try and get a
determination and a lot of times it's like, well, maybe you would set that
specimen aside and come back to it because maybe you have a.
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Droege, Sam
A series of the same species within your collection that do have their teeth
open and and then so rather than struggle with that
one particular one, I think a lot of times what I tell people is like 5 minutes
just do 5 minutes on each specimen and if you haven't got an answer, put it
aside, move on and a lot of times it sort of self clarifies by looking at
additional material. Sorry about the phone. I don't know how to turn it off.
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Droege, Sam
But Mike, you have a strategy along that. I'm gonna pull
a petulance here.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
What? Well, yeah, at least in the Midwest.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know you're going for a couple of 29 the the, the
species that have only that have 4 teeth are pretty distinct
apart from that. So yeah, petulant is really is unlike
the others completely.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so, you know, if you're not sure if it's three or four teeth, go both ways
in the key and it'll resolve itself pretty quickly.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah. Petulance and parallela. I don't have a Townsend and Townsend DNA.
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Droege, Sam
Ah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pretty unique.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh, I'm specimen on hand right now, but they they do have a look and feel. So
like when I come across a petulant's I pretty much
know what it is by just looking at the rear end and that is what we're gonna do right now.
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Droege, Sam
If I can get the.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Screened to show why would that be the case?
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Droege, Sam
We should be live.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Am I too bright here?
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Droege, Sam
Changing ohh I'm way way up
there.
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Droege, Sam
Take it down to 100.
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Droege, Sam
And go again and live.
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Droege, Sam
Apps.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Mike, when you talk about plans for a little bit while I OHP, I think I've got
it here, OK.
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Droege, Sam
Sorry, I'm on the phone right now. I'm doing a zoom session and can't talk bye.
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Droege, Sam
Alright.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah something 's showing up there.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Very distracted by the telephone.
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Droege, Sam
Here we go.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So petulance males have a unique hind end and that's gonna
show up pretty well, Sam.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'm gonna.
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Droege, Sam
Bend it here a little bit more.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Perfect.
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Droege, Sam
And I'm gonna brighten it and go to full screen.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
I do need to.
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Droege, Sam
Get better eyes.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So you're looking at.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
T6 has that V shaped notch and that's diagnostic.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And all that, then the the rest of the surface dorsal
service at T6 is pretty much covered with oppressed white tomentum.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That what you're seeing there is.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, at least in the Midwest, it's completely unique to petulance males.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Nothing else really looks like that.
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Droege, Sam
There we go.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know how common that is east of the mountains, but in in the greater
Midwest, this is one of the more common species.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
To all kinds of habitats.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
6 speed pretty much uh floral generalist generalist
and habitat generalist.
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Droege, Sam
Sorry I'm I'm for some reason it's not letting me
change the.
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Droege, Sam
Exposure.
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Droege, Sam
Let me look up here.
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Droege, Sam
Automatic continuous.
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Droege, Sam
It should be.
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Droege, Sam
Very bright.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's not.
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Droege, Sam
Not shifting.
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Droege, Sam
Usually it works fine. What am I automatic white balance? Automatic exposure maybe?
I have want that off.
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Droege, Sam
And do it manually.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, a curious thing about petulance.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is that no one's ever found the nest that I'm aware of. There's no publication.
There's no note in any in any final list.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it must be a ground nester.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It doesn't show up in the trap. Nesting studies and publications that I know
of.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I've been looking for Vanessa. This thing for a long time, and I've I've just haven't, despite its commonness.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I found it so I'd be interested to know if anyone has.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alright.
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Droege, Sam
OK, we're back in the game. Sorry I I've certain button on that shouldn't have
been on. Now I'm gonna change it to.
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Droege, Sam
Full screen.
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Droege, Sam
Which also seems to be not happy.
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Droege, Sam
What did I do that?
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Maffei, Clare J
Sam, how many other tabs and programs do you have open right now?
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Droege, Sam
There we go. Oh my God.
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Droege, Sam
OK, alright. So.
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Droege, Sam
So.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow.
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Droege, Sam
I see it somewhat regularly, but not to great extent. So
this presentation is pretty much unique. And then if we look on the underside,
you'll see some of the things that Mike mentions in his key.
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Droege, Sam
Which is the transparent rims.
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Droege, Sam
Of.
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Droege, Sam
The.
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Droege, Sam
And thickened rims of some of the sternites. So
there's a transparent I I particularly look for.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think it's four, I think.
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Droege, Sam
This section right here, which is this transparent. I don't know. I guess
that's a a translucent portion of S3 is that S3 there
or S4 four?
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
And again the the top part is really all you need to
look at. But if you want to confirm, you can go underneath and you'll see in
the true rim area here, which is a little bit difficult to see. But if we
looked around this edge, you won't see any teeth.
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Droege, Sam
And the vibe of the next species Parallela on is a little bit similar, but
you'll see that the architecture back here is quite different in there's two
big teeth on the rim of the true rim there.
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Droege, Sam
All right, I'm going to shift now. Anything else you wanna
say about sternites mic?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh Nope, the other. There's pretty
thick fascia on that's too, and that's three.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's that stand out that's not unique, but it's pretty
distinctive, almost.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sort it out.
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Droege, Sam
Great. I'm going to shift to a nice parallela from South Dakota.
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Droege, Sam
Big first of all, it's big and that really narrows
things down because it is so large.
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Droege, Sam
And let's just take a look here. So
we're still in the four tooth area.
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Droege, Sam
And we have this Townsend, Diana. I don't have a specimen of, I think it's
largely restricted to either Florida or Florida and adjacent low
lying areas.
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Droege, Sam
No.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Since fascinates in Oklahoma.
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Droege, Sam
Oh, you do.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, Southern southwestern, I think.
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Droege, Sam
OK, maybe it's more.
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Droege, Sam
Continuous territory. I guess that's just where I've collected it.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so here we have the true apical rim with these very pronounced apical
teeth. We'll see and then Mike mentions that there's really
no apical fascia.
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Droege, Sam
But and the S2 and three.
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Droege, Sam
And let's see if I can get that on deck now.
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Droege, Sam
In the black one. So if we look straight to the back.
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Droege, Sam
We see something that looks a bit similar it's it's
got all this oppressed hair, which I think of as very.
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Droege, Sam
Very similar in in it's look and feel to petulance,
but instead of having that V shape nuts, it's got this lovely curved notch here
and you can see the teeth are so large on the true rim which is so this is what
all the males have in or many of the males have I should say, and make it
highly this flange that's part of T6.
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Droege, Sam
And then the true rim is below that. So this is
projecting out. Here's this large notch, similar to
addenda and the true rim is below that often invisible, and the teeth are
therefore invisible, will get a better view of this by flipping it, but you can
already see the teeth on this one from that particular view.
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Droege, Sam
I'm going to change that.
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Droege, Sam
To the underside view.
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Droege, Sam
Mike, do you have any parallel of thoughts?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well it it's fairly common in the Midwest.
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Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And you know, that's the size immediately rolls out a lot of other things and
both in the males and the females.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it I usually find it on things in the Asteraceae Daisy family, sunflowers and related things.
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Droege, Sam
And I get a good shot. The legs are a bit in the way here.
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Droege, Sam
Of.
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Droege, Sam
The underside.
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Droege, Sam
So these are huge teeth.
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Droege, Sam
And so here's the true rim.
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Droege, Sam
Seen from underneath over here. And here's one monster tooth. And here's
another fairly large tooth right there. So as you'll see, when we get into mendica
and brevis here in a second and texana where the
teeth are actually pretty difficult to detect, particularly when you're just
starting out, this is a walk in the park.
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Droege, Sam
And here's the.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, just long hairs on the underside rather than any kind of short dense band
fascia that Mike was talking about and we saw in.
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Droege, Sam
Had duance.
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Droege, Sam
Anything else here, Mike?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, I don't think so.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Do you run across this one?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, OK.
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Droege, Sam
Well, only on trips away from here. We don't have this at all. I think there
are no records anywhere near here. Seems to be an interestingly.
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Droege, Sam
It seems to be in Florida, which makes you a little bit suspicious.
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Droege, Sam
As well as the upper Midwest, but doesn't.
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Droege, Sam
We don't see it coming up the East Coast, for example, except I think it may be
into the Carolinas. So I'm not quite sure what's going
on there. I've looked a little bit and it does look like they have slightly
different looks and feels.
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Droege, Sam
So another one of those Florida things that might be worthy of more work. OK,
so we're moving on. So now we're gonna get into
mandibles with three teeth.
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Droege, Sam
And the first one is mendica.
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Droege, Sam
Mike and I have both mentioned that these are our most common, most abundant.
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Droege, Sam
Mega Kylie in our regions at least, that's what's true here in Maryland.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh yeah, yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're everywhere.
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Droege, Sam
By a lot.
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Droege, Sam
So I'm not going to show try to show even the three teeth. That should be
something that you guys know when I'm looking at a mega Kailua.
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Droege, Sam
Now my vibe is I'm gonna look at the abdomen first.
It's just in case it is mendica and this is sort of
what I'm looking for here. White hair on T6. We're not seeing that very well
because of the angle here. And then the usual sort of airband,
this is a specimen that's a little worn or perhaps maded,
but there's white hair bands across on the abdomen.
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Droege, Sam
And and nothing much is going on in terms of the
front legs. So in other words, we're not seeing really
expanded from base Itarsi or anything. It's a kind of
generic looking leaf cutter in a way. And then I'm looking right here along the
rim and I'll be interested to see what you think,
Mike, what your your vibes direction is on mendica and there are no, there is no hair band across
here. So both in Revis and then
in.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.
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Droege, Sam
Texana to a little bit lesser extent, there's a
strong white hair band that goes right across there and then mendica there's nothing. And then I'll turn it over. So
how?
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Droege, Sam
OK.
0:18:41.0 --> 0:19:1.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, you're, I agree completely. I mean, that's the same. I follow that same same path, but I will say and we
can look at maybe take a look at the front, the underside of the front basitar ISIS and Mendonca is kind of unique. It may be hard
to see, but it's got a very narrow narrow and I just
think of it as a basket.
0:19:2.670 --> 0:19:3.20
Droege, Sam
Hmm.
0:19:2.190 --> 0:19:3.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh and uh.
0:19:4.690 --> 0:19:5.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Then brevis.
0:19:7.60 --> 0:19:10.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And Texana don't have quite such a distinct.
0:19:11.890 --> 0:19:12.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pair pattern.
0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.570
Droege, Sam
Alright, let's see.
0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:19.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But but T but T5 is, I mean that's the first thing to
look at if you see.
0:19:20.620 --> 0:19:29.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The mail was absolutely no fascia on now the the margin
of T5 that mantikas the first thing that should come
to mind.
0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:31.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Super common.
0:19:39.410 --> 0:19:40.80
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:19:33.970 --> 0:19:42.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And even brevis and texana, when they're worn and
kind of beat up, they usually still have the suggestion of of
the turkle fascia.
0:19:46.20 --> 0:19:56.780
Droege, Sam
Great seeing that underside of that character because I didn't select the specimen
for it's from days of tarsal thing. Let's see if we can find it pretty quickly.
0:19:57.630 --> 0:19:59.650
Droege, Sam
And I'm here. Ohh that is that it?
0:20:1.330 --> 0:20:3.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Can you crank up the mag? Yeah.
0:20:3.30 --> 0:20:3.680
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:20:5.150 --> 0:20:7.360
Droege, Sam
I think that's the front basitar sis there.
0:20:8.230 --> 0:20:9.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:20:9.470 --> 0:20:11.630
Droege, Sam
And So what are we looking for with this one?
0:20:11.690 --> 0:20:12.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:20:13.210 --> 0:20:20.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, instead of the underside of the basic Tarsis
being covered with hair, it's outlined.
0:20:21.500 --> 0:20:26.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, with a fringe of hairs and in the center of that very narrow.
0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:31.320
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:20:27.150 --> 0:20:33.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, basic tarsis. It's basically hairless, so it's a
thorn forms, so that's yeah, it's.
0:20:33.40 --> 0:20:35.790
Droege, Sam
There's that hair right there. Let me let me. I'm gonna.
0:20:36.940 --> 0:20:37.510
Droege, Sam
There's not.
0:20:35.340 --> 0:20:39.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No. Well, you need to move that. Uh, the next segment.
0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:40.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Down.
0:20:41.380 --> 0:20:43.240
Droege, Sam
OK. Ohh are we looking at
the tibia there?
0:20:43.120 --> 0:20:44.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah, we are, yeah.
0:20:44.780 --> 0:20:49.870
Droege, Sam
OK, alright. I'm gonna put in focus and I'm gonna bring in some light here.
0:20:50.770 --> 0:20:52.490
Droege, Sam
Because this is pretty dark.
0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:59.330
Droege, Sam
Which was a easier way to do
that on this microscope? Alright, let's take it up.
0:21:0.820 --> 0:21:2.210
Droege, Sam
To here.
0:21:3.340 --> 0:21:4.530
Droege, Sam
Maybe one more.
0:21:7.940 --> 0:21:9.420
Droege, Sam
Just to see if we can get in there.
0:21:10.170 --> 0:21:10.840
Droege, Sam
And then.
0:21:17.690 --> 0:21:19.140
Droege, Sam
For some reason.
0:21:20.50 --> 0:21:21.650
Droege, Sam
So I had to be looked in there.
0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:27.40
Droege, Sam
Here we go. OK, so I'm gonna reposition here a little
bit.
0:21:30.870 --> 0:21:45.650
Droege, Sam
Yeah, compared it is also very parallel sided. The tibia compared that's I
don't look at the bazaars as so much compared to particularly Texana which is you've got a little bit of.
0:21:46.490 --> 0:21:49.280
Droege, Sam
Vibe to it. So am I showing this well, Mike here.
0:21:49.170 --> 0:21:51.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's, it's it's a tough, I mean.
0:21:56.530 --> 0:21:57.0
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:21:52.750 --> 0:22:8.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's where you ought to be. But like it doesn't. It's not showing up well.
So. So what? I do? You know, I'm like you. I look at T5 and if there's any
uncertainty that I look at that the front base of Tarsis, if the genitalia or
out.
0:22:8.810 --> 0:22:9.230
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:22:9.330 --> 0:22:10.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So but.
0:22:22.790 --> 0:22:22.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:22:10.140 --> 0:22:24.140
Droege, Sam
Can take a look there. I I
also look my second look I I'll have to check into this visa tarsal character
is to look and this might be a good position right now is to look at the teeth
and this was Mitchell's thing.
0:22:24.380 --> 0:22:24.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:22:25.150 --> 0:22:26.840
Droege, Sam
The teeth on.
0:22:30.460 --> 0:22:31.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
T6.
0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.950
Droege, Sam
The true rim and they have a.
0:22:35.70 --> 0:22:51.430
Droege, Sam
Again, a lot of light here, so that might be good to see this
and this is, you know, I have to say when I was starting out, I spent a lot of
time trying to even figure out what the heck he was talking about here.
0:22:51.810 --> 0:22:53.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
What could be a good angle there?
0:22:53.0 --> 0:23:5.810
Droege, Sam
Yeah, so here, here there's sub lateral, so near the center of two teeth here.
And so this brevis and texana
have this too. And then there are.
0:23:6.650 --> 0:23:12.650
Droege, Sam
Ones on the far side, which are always harder to find, not the bees are piece
of cake.
0:23:10.610 --> 0:23:15.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's showing up there. It's it's not totally in
focus, but I think you can see it. It's right there.
0:23:15.700 --> 0:23:25.580
Droege, Sam
OK, let's see if we can focus this a little bit. And so in, yeah, that's that
would be it there. So the idea and generally the case.
0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:45.870
Droege, Sam
But usually I don't have to go here. Is that these teeth? The distance between
here and here is less than between here and here. So
these are much closer together. And then when we go to brevis, we should be
able to flip this over. And these teeth are more to the sides.
0:23:48.210 --> 0:23:51.180
Droege, Sam
But now I have to look at the basolateral character
too.
0:23:52.640 --> 0:24:18.470
Droege, Sam
I should also mention that we have started making progress in translating mikes
keys to the guides and we have Francis who just got his master's degree and he is working on has done, and Chapman and I
think ANTHIDIUM and Anthidium and you guys can see.
And if you wanna see any changes in how we're
presenting that.
0:24:19.590 --> 0:24:30.440
Droege, Sam
That would be fine, but it'll essentially is a a
second set of characters, but ones that follow Mike's wording with some a few
changes in formatting.
0:24:31.670 --> 0:24:32.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.
0:24:33.260 --> 0:24:33.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.
0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:35.450
Droege, Sam
Into a little bit of change in the the glossary.
0:24:40.140 --> 0:24:40.460
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:24:36.80 --> 0:24:53.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The uh say one thing about mendica and then brevis,
which will follow they they nest. I I found the nesting and rolled up newspaper and rolled up
leaves under rocks and trapnest. They just seem to
nest in anything that is even remotely like a cavity.
0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:55.160
Droege, Sam
Hmm.
0:24:53.800 --> 0:25:0.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that part, one of the reason I think they're so
common is they just are at such a generalized nesting.
0:25:2.440 --> 0:25:12.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Biology. I mean, they're they're not tied to any of
the holes in wood or anything like that. They'll just wherever it works,
they'll use it.
0:25:13.850 --> 0:25:14.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Please in the Midwest.
0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:20.790
Droege, Sam
So you would you say then that brevis and texana are
pickier.
0:25:25.340 --> 0:25:25.580
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:25:27.310 --> 0:25:27.690
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
0:25:31.210 --> 0:25:31.860
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:25:21.290 --> 0:25:42.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh no brevis and Medicare both very super general texana is definitely bigger. I
mean I think the only texana nests in the ground. I
think all the records are in the ground and usually in friable soils and it
will actually excavate in those soils, make its own little
short tunnel.
0:25:45.140 --> 0:25:45.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In the soil.
0:25:48.40 --> 0:25:48.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Listen.
0:25:49.60 --> 0:25:50.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's been my experience.
0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:53.740
Droege, Sam
Migrate so.
0:25:54.420 --> 0:25:57.370
Droege, Sam
I'm going to show a specimen here.
0:25:58.750 --> 0:25:59.820
Droege, Sam
And.
0:26:1.600 --> 0:26:6.710
Droege, Sam
This one actually I think just it was just a really
nice specimen. This is actually suedo
brevis.
0:26:7.430 --> 0:26:7.760
Droege, Sam
But.
0:26:9.30 --> 0:26:10.430
Droege, Sam
I'm not even sure.
0:26:12.650 --> 0:26:14.560
Droege, Sam
That I can tell.
0:26:15.430 --> 0:26:30.740
Droege, Sam
The so this is something that Corey Sheffield resurrected to a species level
again that I can tell the difference in the mails between brevis and pseudo
brevis. Mike, do you have much experience with pseudo brevis?
0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:38.180
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:26:31.170 --> 0:26:45.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, you know, that's the problem in the Midwest, we see everything from one
extreme to the other. I mean, so I I'm not convinced that that I know
molecularly it it it's those two.
0:26:46.420 --> 0:26:56.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Are identical, but I I find you know rabbis with all
pale hairs and then brebis with all dark hairs in the
same area sometimes.
0:26:56.890 --> 0:27:1.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And you know, Southern Missouri and in Oklahoma, Arkansas.
0:27:2.840 --> 0:27:9.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then those that are half and half, I mean you'll you know some of the
periodically dark some light. So there seems to be a lot of variation at least.
0:27:10.220 --> 0:27:14.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In the Midwest, so I don't know, I just call him all the Redis for now.
0:27:14.770 --> 0:27:41.510
Droege, Sam
OK, so I don't see that as much. So we basically see
the, the you know the one form I see more hair color on the body differences
and I see in females. So I'm mostly looking at females
and the males. I'm like I can't can't really
partition any of the the mails like pseudo brevis or
the what's the one in the upper Midwest Oncale Uncle
branch.
0:27:41.610 --> 0:27:43.360
Droege, Sam
I there's.
0:27:45.270 --> 0:27:45.680
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:27:42.990 --> 0:27:47.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's more more Western. I don't think there's any
verified records, but.
0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:51.510
Droege, Sam
Does not something from South Dakota. I thought maybe I ran into.
0:27:50.290 --> 0:27:53.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes. Yeah, I think I think you probably did find it out there.
0:27:52.260 --> 0:27:54.540
Droege, Sam
Somewhere, if we got, if we talk about.
0:27:56.30 --> 0:27:58.940
Droege, Sam
You know our loose a looser definition of the Midwest.
0:28:0.770 --> 0:28:10.340
Droege, Sam
But anyway, I haven't been able to separate out males. It's been all female and
it's all basically come down to what Mike was talking about, which is here.
0:28:11.930 --> 0:28:15.200
Droege, Sam
Color on under tea.
0:28:16.0 --> 0:28:19.380
Droege, Sam
UH-6 on the females and then the males like.
0:28:20.270 --> 0:28:24.910
Droege, Sam
Nothing. Thank you. Thank Corey. Might have mentioned something, but I would
have never been able to see it.
0:28:26.360 --> 0:28:33.440
Droege, Sam
Maybe for this reason. So here is a a look, maybe
I'll. I'm gonna spin this a little bit.
0:28:34.410 --> 0:28:41.710
Droege, Sam
Further back, this will show you the opposite character than what we saw with.
0:28:42.870 --> 0:28:48.170
Droege, Sam
Mendica, which is that the rim of T5 does have.
0:28:49.790 --> 0:28:51.970
Droege, Sam
Here's right along that.
0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:54.650
Droege, Sam
Unpitted rim.
0:28:58.270 --> 0:28:58.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:28:58.550 --> 0:29:0.270
Droege, Sam
And this is usually pretty obvious.
0:29:2.500 --> 0:29:26.430
Droege, Sam
And here we have the same thing, so almost everything else has the same vibe,
so here's a pressed hairs in the center part, not like petulance. All the way
to the side and not as dense as petulance either. There's
some oppressed hairs. Often I see a lot of this
toothiness, but it's really variable too. Like you can see that at the edges.
Here. Here's the central notch I always.
0:29:27.420 --> 0:29:28.680
Droege, Sam
It usually find.
0:29:29.510 --> 0:29:34.790
Droege, Sam
And then there's things that can go from extreme teeth.
0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:40.890
Droege, Sam
In other words, it almost looks like there is no rim to something relatively
smooth with some undulations.
0:29:42.780 --> 0:29:43.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.610
Droege, Sam
What's your take on it? Yeah.
0:29:43.970 --> 0:29:45.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally, yeah, yeah.
0:29:47.70 --> 0:29:48.360
Droege, Sam
Right. So.
0:29:49.540 --> 0:30:3.530
Droege, Sam
It makes you think there's a lot going on in there and then you look at the
molecular stuff and it's not clear. So when you're
looking, I'm gonna change and go to the true rim here
to show the teeth pattern. But what are you looking for in the base of Tarsus?
0:30:4.470 --> 0:30:6.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Within brevis, that's.
0:30:6.640 --> 0:30:23.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I hesitate to use the word normal, but there's no
there. It's completely hairy. I mean, these are short, very short, short hairs,
but there's no nothing that's simulates a narrow basket or a fringe of hairs.
It's just the underside of the four basic stars is.
0:30:24.710 --> 0:30:26.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Loaded with short, stiff hairs.
0:30:30.380 --> 0:30:32.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah, we don't need to look at that. We don't
need to look at.
0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:56.930
Droege, Sam
OK, I think I'm you know for time purposes and things where it won't go. Yeah,
because it's it's like here it is Harry. And the
other one we saw which wasn't that Harry was just
difficult to get the angle and the presentation very well. I'm gonna up the lighting on this a little bit but we're
looking for teeth this is the true rim right through here genitalia sticking
out. And Mike while I'm doing that to you.
0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:1.390
Droege, Sam
Have anything to say about genitalia in these groups, or is that a useful?
0:31:10.310 --> 0:31:10.870
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:31:1.530 --> 0:31:30.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It is but uh. But Mendica brevis and texana have very similar genitalia, and Mitchell, Mitchell and Mitchell's volume to of Visa. the US. He has
good illustrations, and you can't tell them apart. It's just that the
differences are slight compared to others, but they're consistent and it's
useful. It's just that you really almost need to see
all three to have that those images in your head.
0:31:30.940 --> 0:31:31.230
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:31:47.910 --> 0:31:49.460
Droege, Sam
Being apart Umm.
0:31:33.470 --> 0:31:52.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it is also not only the genitalia, but the start. The 5th and 6th actually 4th, 5th and 6th Sternites also had distinctive
patterns, but those are even harder to see, usually because you really have to
pull them out. Yeah, but they are diagnostic. It's just usually you can't see
them.
0:31:54.810 --> 0:31:55.950
Droege, Sam
All right, so we're.
0:32:20.220 --> 0:32:20.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:31:56.580 --> 0:32:21.40
Droege, Sam
Orientation. Here's this, uh. This rim, this false rim. This projection over
the top. We've had all the little teeth in it that we were just looking at. And
here's the true rim underneath, sort of in the shadow of it, there's a central
E margination or concave area. And then just like in mendica,
I believe that's a tooth there. I wanna say that's a
tooth. And that's a tooth here.
0:32:21.850 --> 0:32:25.380
Droege, Sam
See if we can, uh, we're at our Max here.
0:32:26.250 --> 0:32:36.470
Droege, Sam
And then if we do this distance comparison, this is should be
let me get the pointer out of the way. Let's see if we can see that.
0:32:38.660 --> 0:32:52.550
Droege, Sam
Well, a little bit difficult to discern, but the T the distance between this
tooth that's possibly do. But I think it's just the angle off
of that, this tooth, this tooth compared to that tooth and that tooth,
this is quite a bit.
0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:59.880
Droege, Sam
Or it's distinctly, let's say wider in this gap compared to that gap.
0:33:5.110 --> 0:33:5.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:33:1.530 --> 0:33:24.420
Droege, Sam
But plenty of circumstances where you have a bent over specimen, or a goopy
specimen or hair, or a a lot of other factors where
that's difficult to see. But it's common, and usually you're getting strings of
these things and can tell them apart by being simply part of a long string,
even if you can't see all the characters on each of them.
0:33:27.490 --> 0:33:30.20
Droege, Sam
Anymore brevis insights there, Mike.
0:33:39.190 --> 0:33:39.470
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:45.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, not really. But compared to Texana, which you're gonna show up next, in general, texana
is bigger. I mean, there is some overlap, but in general text saying is gonna be a bigger version of brevis.
0:33:52.660 --> 0:33:55.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah. Oh yeah, there's some other. Yeah, some
other.
0:33:46.510 --> 0:33:56.950
Droege, Sam
Also, I haven't. I'm not looking at your key. Let's jump to it. Aren't there black
hairs on texana? OK, and none on none on brevis,
right.
0:33:58.140 --> 0:33:58.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.
0:33:58.40 --> 0:34:0.470
Droege, Sam
On that TT, two and three.
0:34:4.840 --> 0:34:5.350
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:34:2.340 --> 0:34:6.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's one of those variable things, at least in the Midwest.
0:34:9.240 --> 0:34:11.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So I you know I.
0:34:12.490 --> 0:34:14.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It seemed to be variable enough that.
0:34:18.10 --> 0:34:18.310
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:34:15.790 --> 0:34:31.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's not all that useful, but to T4 and T5 in Texana
as you're going to show in a second, they're formation they're they're morphology is very different from that of brevis,
and much more, for lack of a better word, exaggerated.
0:34:33.130 --> 0:34:53.300
Droege, Sam
Alright, we're we're going right there. Yeah, for
some reason, maybe it's just an eastern one. I am more used to like, if I have
a question, whether I'm looking at Texana or brevis,
I'm looking at tea two and three and looking at the hair patterns there.
0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.400
Droege, Sam
To see if I've got.
0:34:59.940 --> 0:35:1.140
Droege, Sam
Black hairs.
0:35:2.540 --> 0:35:10.880
Droege, Sam
There where in Texana,
whereas in brevis I don't and you have to. This is one
of these things like oh, that looks like all white hairs but if.
0:35:11.870 --> 0:35:34.520
Droege, Sam
We might be able to see this, but you're I'm looking in these instances for
hairs interspersed through here and here that are dark and a lot of times when
you look straight down, particularly when you have super bright light, which
I'm gonna change, it will look all light. And this is
something that happens over and over again. Melissodes are another classic clean.
0:35:34.610 --> 0:35:44.560
Droege, Sam
Umm. Collides. Also it's like ohh
those are light hairs on first glance, but then you turn it and particularly
the shaft is often.
0:35:45.40 --> 0:35:50.910
Droege, Sam
And I understand it may not be black black,
but it's sort of dark and sometimes it's a little bit even.
0:35:50.990 --> 0:35:54.980
Droege, Sam
In translucent so you know.
0:35:55.750 --> 0:35:56.540
Droege, Sam
Makes it tricky.
0:35:59.350 --> 0:36:2.600
Droege, Sam
All right, so we're back here at a reasonable.
0:36:3.760 --> 0:36:4.950
Droege, Sam
Light level.
0:36:6.550 --> 0:36:7.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there.
0:36:6.480 --> 0:36:7.480
Droege, Sam
And so.
0:36:9.100 --> 0:36:9.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's showing up.
0:36:9.170 --> 0:36:13.800
Droege, Sam
So, Mike, you wanna walk us through what you're
looking at here in terms of characters?
0:36:21.240 --> 0:36:21.670
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:36:35.500 --> 0:36:35.880
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:36:37.590 --> 0:36:39.40
Droege, Sam
I'm gonna spin it.
0:36:14.180 --> 0:36:39.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it may. I I can see it that, but that's because
I'm used to seeing it. But if you notice, if you're looking at the tergites,
you see the depressed rims but and then basil to those depressed rims, the tour
guide is kind of elevated and across the whole segment and brevis is not like
that.
0:36:41.740 --> 0:36:45.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that specially when you know lateral view, it's pretty
obvious.
0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.330
Droege, Sam
Great. And that of course, is a great character.
0:36:51.220 --> 0:36:52.910
Droege, Sam
Except try to explain it.
0:36:53.870 --> 0:36:54.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:36:58.490 --> 0:37:1.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh, you see the dark hairs? Yeah.
0:36:53.980 --> 0:37:5.620
Droege, Sam
Because it's a relative terms thing, so you can see even here you can start
seeing. Ohh there's dark hairs there and then you see
this elevational change here and here.
0:37:6.920 --> 0:37:7.790
Droege, Sam
Pretty well.
0:37:19.770 --> 0:37:20.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:37:9.730 --> 0:37:22.80
Droege, Sam
You can see the dark hair, so the dark hair is for me. Are
I? I don't use this very often, but a lot of times. Ohh
big rugged looking probably takes Ana in often.
0:37:22.810 --> 0:37:26.980
Droege, Sam
I see these in, let's call them more interesting areas.
0:37:33.470 --> 0:37:33.870
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:37.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know we have we have a project in Saint Louis where we're looking at all
these rooftops and the most common mega Tyler on the rooftops and we're
talking.
0:37:38.540 --> 0:37:40.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Several of your study is texana.
0:37:44.870 --> 0:37:46.280
Droege, Sam
Huh. And they were up there.
0:37:48.830 --> 0:37:49.180
Droege, Sam
No.
0:37:41.10 --> 0:37:51.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I I just doesn't. I don't understand it. But I
mean there dozens and dozens of, yeah, up three or
four stories. And these are gardens on top of rooftops downtown, downtown Saint
Louis.
0:37:49.980 --> 0:37:53.250
Droege, Sam
Yeah, maybe the maybe the soil medium.
0:37:53.620 --> 0:37:56.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I guess I was just shocked to see that.
0:37:56.870 --> 0:37:57.210
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:37:58.490 --> 0:37:59.980
Droege, Sam
All right. And rooftops.
0:38:2.600 --> 0:38:30.270
Droege, Sam
Alright. And then a lot of times see here the smooth edge to the projecting
flange, pretty darn smooth. You almost never see all this toothiness that you
can see in brevis this area often is a in between mendica
I I find in between mendica
and brevis where and so we score it for having both having it and not having
it.
0:38:30.690 --> 0:38:37.40
Droege, Sam
Where a lot of times, you know, there's a white hair band on the side, then it
disappears in the middle and then.
0:38:37.740 --> 0:38:45.330
Droege, Sam
Umm reappears on the other lateral side. It's not as robust as in brevis.
0:38:47.210 --> 0:38:50.580
Droege, Sam
And what about basitar soul characters?
0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:55.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's kind of in between. It's a it approaches mendica.
0:38:56.570 --> 0:38:59.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that there is a there is a fringe around the margins.
0:39:0.790 --> 0:39:3.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Of the front base of Tarsus.
0:39:4.440 --> 0:39:4.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:39:3.780 --> 0:39:5.150
Droege, Sam
Yeah, and I find.
0:39:3.980 --> 0:39:6.960
Maffei, Clare J
Before you move too far along, I have questions from the chat.
0:39:9.940 --> 0:39:10.190
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
0:39:7.740 --> 0:39:15.850
Droege, Sam
OK. Well, I'll just make him mention one last thing, which is for Texana, which from my point of view which is that the
front.
0:39:16.510 --> 0:39:16.970
Droege, Sam
Tibia.
0:39:18.850 --> 0:39:19.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm yeah.
0:39:17.40 --> 0:39:41.210
Droege, Sam
Yeah, are are not very parallel and that the I'll
call it right now. So orientation and legs is
sometimes difficult because you know they're they're
tucked like this and then they're outwardly spread. So
if you were to spread them out in front, like pull them forward, you'd be
looking at the.
0:39:42.910 --> 0:39:53.520
Droege, Sam
Interior edges, or the ventral edge. It still depends on the on which side, but
anyway, one of the edges is expanded in the center.
0:39:54.670 --> 0:39:54.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:39:56.710 --> 0:40:1.930
Droege, Sam
But again, it's really difficult to use that character
because it's sort of relative to the others.
0:40:3.510 --> 0:40:10.610
Droege, Sam
OK. And these are the three, these are sort of the three that get mixed up the
most I would say in collections.
0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:20.840
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:40:28.740 --> 0:40:29.190
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:40:29.260 --> 0:40:30.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's just kind of a warning.
0:40:31.80 --> 0:40:31.480
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:36.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
To me anyway, that there's they don't always look like they're supposed to
look.
0:40:39.350 --> 0:40:39.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:40:37.250 --> 0:40:56.980
Droege, Sam
And make it Kylie was his group too, so he spent a lot of time looking and he
also, I don't think ever used the hair pattern thing, so he was all about the
true rim and the little teeth there and like the mendica
having no hair and brevis having hair. I don't think he mentioned that at all.
0:40:58.370 --> 0:41:3.480
Droege, Sam
But that's why multiple people looking at the same thing can be very useful.
0:41:5.120 --> 0:41:9.490
Droege, Sam
All right. So Claire, did you have some more questions
that people?
0:41:9.240 --> 0:41:9.920
Maffei, Clare J
Yes.
0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:19.600
Maffei, Clare J
You probably explain this, but could you remind us if
there's a function for the tooth margin in T6 and the males of some mega Kylie
species?
0:41:21.300 --> 0:41:22.790
Droege, Sam
You mean in discover life?
0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:25.830
Droege, Sam
Or a function, sorry.
0:41:31.170 --> 0:41:31.560
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:33.770
Maffei, Clare J
Umm, so this is a phone number in the chat. If you're able to unmute, you are
welcome to.
0:41:35.460 --> 0:41:36.80
Maffei, Clare J
To do so.
0:41:38.820 --> 0:41:40.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Maybe a biological funk.
0:41:39.430 --> 0:41:40.340
Maffei, Clare J
Or chat more.
0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:44.410
Maffei, Clare J
What do they use them for? Yeah.
0:41:41.70 --> 0:41:45.230
Droege, Sam
Oh oh, you mean? Ohh. Like
a bike like ohh what they're using for.
0:41:47.300 --> 0:41:49.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know. I don't know.
0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:49.750
Droege, Sam
Umm. Mike. Yeah, I don't know either.
0:41:51.470 --> 0:41:52.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That must have.
0:41:51.980 --> 0:41:52.910
Maffei, Clare J
Very satisfying.
0:41:51.140 --> 0:41:54.830
Droege, Sam
All right. Another another thing that group can work
on.
0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:56.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, presumably.
0:41:55.970 --> 0:41:57.230
Droege, Sam
Should have some captive.
0:41:56.200 --> 0:42:1.240
Maffei, Clare J
And then as a follow up to that, does texana nest in
soil, in the rooftop gardens?
0:42:1.920 --> 0:42:7.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, we never found this, but people weren't really looking for it. But like
Sam said.
0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:11.350
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:42:8.460 --> 0:42:23.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That has to they have to abandon because there was
males and females and these, you know, there was a lot of a lot of different
plants being grown on these rooftops. But the only soil was in the beds that
the plants were in. So.
0:42:27.50 --> 0:42:27.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Exactly.
0:42:24.690 --> 0:42:32.320
Droege, Sam
Which is a very light mix. It's not really soil, it's something that doesn't gonna collapse the roof. So it's
sort of.
0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:42.450
Droege, Sam
Uh, you know, like vermicular, lots of vermiculite and Thomas and all kinds of
very lightweight things. So that's pretty interesting.
0:42:42.750 --> 0:42:45.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it was. I was shocked, actually. I just, I would
never.
0:42:49.270 --> 0:42:49.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No.
0:42:51.140 --> 0:42:51.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:42:44.340 --> 0:42:56.650
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And the whole notion that they can even find something that high and
almost right away is pretty cool. I recall I always
quote, let the study in Chicago.
0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:14.410
Droege, Sam
That was done that at the answer is 16 floors like. They can find a or
something. Can find a bee, can find a green roof up to 16 floors and then above
that they they don't. They don't discover it but how
far up did you go in Saint Louis?
0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:16.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
These were this stuff. Four stories.
0:43:16.630 --> 0:43:21.100
Droege, Sam
OK, yeah, that should be like, no problem apparently.
0:43:20.450 --> 0:43:21.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:43:22.330 --> 0:43:25.780
Droege, Sam
All right. Do we have any more texana questions or
anything else?
0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:42.490
Maffei, Clare J
I have a question for this suite. So with Texana you just said that they're like there's that dark
hair, the dark hairs on the abdomen. What was the like base trait for the other
two? Are there white hairs? No hairs, mix of hairs. What? What are we comparing
that to?
0:43:59.350 --> 0:43:59.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:44:1.590 --> 0:44:1.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:43:41.510 --> 0:44:3.630
Droege, Sam
So I think, yeah. So I think Mike and I have different
experiences. So if I were in the East, I would say ohh light hairs. But I think, Mike, you saying
that you can get brevis types in the Midwest at least that also have dark hairs
in the basal portions of the turbidites 2 so.
0:44:10.210 --> 0:44:10.540
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:44:4.210 --> 0:44:11.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But but but never the
specimen you have up there has really black black hairs and that.
0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:12.140
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh. Yeah.
0:44:23.890 --> 0:44:24.370
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:44:12.570 --> 0:44:25.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean that that to me that's very indicative of texana
the hairs and brevis and to some extent medica are dark, but they're not that
intense. That's black, at least not around here anyway.
0:44:25.930 --> 0:44:49.400
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And sometimes if you look at that, those hairs really
closely, what I've found is that the shaft may be dark, maybe a little
translucent, but that the the fine here is that are
usually present off of the main here. I don't know what they call it. Follicle,
our light. And so it presents in this less than
absolutely black level.
0:44:51.660 --> 0:44:52.990
Droege, Sam
But that might be just my story.
0:44:54.450 --> 0:44:55.700
Droege, Sam
All right, so.
0:44:55.420 --> 0:44:56.30
Maffei, Clare J
Speak to it.
0:44:57.550 --> 0:44:58.430
Droege, Sam
Now.
0:45:0.140 --> 0:45:13.800
Droege, Sam
We put this away. So let's go back to Mike's guide
here and see where we are. So I think we did, we cover
all of these. Ohh do you wanna
talk about the mysterious libier situation?
0:45:14.420 --> 0:45:15.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I.
0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:36.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's another that was originally gets kind of nomenclature really
complicated, but it was originally a variant subspecies of I believe, texana, and it might have been a subspecies of something
else at an earlier time, but at any rate, it's been elevated to full species
level by chef, of course, Sheffield.
0:45:37.340 --> 0:45:42.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And his gang in the uh, the Megachile of Canada,
which is a great publication.
0:45:42.610 --> 0:45:42.910
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:45:42.890 --> 0:45:58.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So and I I have a lot of specimens from out West and
there's I think I completely agree that that isn't it's distinctive, but there
are records on some databases of it being in the Midwest and.
0:45:59.100 --> 0:45:59.960
Droege, Sam
And the east.
0:46:0.80 --> 0:46:2.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes. And I I have doubts about that.
0:46:3.200 --> 0:46:3.520
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:46:5.80 --> 0:46:5.630
Droege, Sam
It's a.
0:46:4.270 --> 0:46:6.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So. So that's something to keep an eye open for.
0:46:20.850 --> 0:46:21.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:46:23.220 --> 0:46:23.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:46:6.850 --> 0:46:24.220
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So I've right. So I'm
glad that you have doubts too, because I've had doubts and I'm like really, is
that like I don't see the characters that they're talking about, which I
believe are mostly extra dark hairs along the lateral sides in the female.
0:46:25.260 --> 0:46:28.600
Droege, Sam
That are often present in different species.
0:46:29.540 --> 0:46:54.530
Droege, Sam
And you know, again seems to me one of these things that could easily get
dialed in and dialed out. It's just like we were talking about here with the texanna versus brevis kinds of things. So
I think there's a temptation because there are eastern records and I think
Corey may have even said in the publication that there were these eastern
specimens.
0:46:55.240 --> 0:46:55.600
Droege, Sam
But.
0:46:56.490 --> 0:46:59.690
Droege, Sam
I'm yeah, I'm yeah, it's tricky.
0:47:0.740 --> 0:47:20.410
Droege, Sam
So I'm not sure what to say because I haven't been in the West identifying of,
you know, big stretches of of lapier,
but the, the, the stuff in the east, you should be. We should all be pretty conservative or just put a question mark after it,
you know, could says let's go back to it.
0:47:21.50 --> 0:47:21.860
Droege, Sam
Another day.
0:47:20.790 --> 0:47:39.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, in about 10 years ago, uh, there was a revision of this subgenus that
brought us and Texana Medicare, part of some genus.
Slidell make it Kylie, which is still valid as far as I know. And on the maps
in that publication, which is cited at the end of my key.
0:47:46.390 --> 0:47:46.840
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:47:49.730 --> 0:47:50.100
Droege, Sam
Hmm.
0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:51.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The the there was only one record of Libya in the
east and that was in Missouri, if I remember right. And so
I.
0:47:51.710 --> 0:47:53.370
Droege, Sam
It's a thumb in the eye there, Mike.
0:47:53.210 --> 0:48:8.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I know. So. So anyway, you just need to be aware of the this the great
variation and this group of three species and the fact that there are satellite
species, so to speak, around each of these main names and just be aware of that
and.
0:48:8.490 --> 0:48:8.850
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:48:9.600 --> 0:48:24.910
Droege, Sam
And that people make mistakes in all these things in terms of like, you should
always if you got something that's an outlier or whatever, it's always worth
checking a lot of times it turns out like, ohh
something got mixed up there.
0:48:26.110 --> 0:48:29.960
Droege, Sam
We're in the we're in the middle of that with Pennsylvania records and stuff
right now too, so.
0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:35.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:48:51.540 --> 0:48:51.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:48:31.220 --> 0:48:54.30
Droege, Sam
How about we all do that? Like I've got a bunch of Maryland question mark
things that I've got to I'll just you can just leave them as question marks.
Like could be there's maybe some issues or I'm not 100% sure it's totally good
to be, you know, Libier question Mark in that and
that at least sets a marker that you're thinking that it's possible.
0:49:5.970 --> 0:49:6.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.
0:48:56.560 --> 0:49:24.240
Droege, Sam
All right. Ruger. Franz. I don't have any specimens. I see them really only I've only seen a couple three and there's none.
No records from Maryland. There really are a mid Midwestern.
Like, if you're doing E versus Midwest, there's just so few records out across
the Appalachians. So I'm not sure why isn't it a? It's
a sunflower specialist or is it, is it not?
0:49:26.790 --> 0:49:27.160
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:49:24.830 --> 0:49:27.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
We find it on a variety of things and it's.
0:49:28.820 --> 0:49:29.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Fairly common.
0:49:30.150 --> 0:49:30.470
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
0:49:33.630 --> 0:49:33.970
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:36.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the females, of course, are bizarre, and they're just really nothing like
them. The males are a little more subtle.
0:49:40.910 --> 0:49:51.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, but again, they don't have any the species, not that we're going to
be talking about now until the end of whatever we're finished are those without
any front 4 Coxwell spines or projections.
0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And Ruger Francis, one of those.
0:49:55.40 --> 0:49:57.920
Droege, Sam
Oh, great. Yeah. Forgot to mention that we've shipped it now.
0:49:56.770 --> 0:50:5.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, and it it the the
females have Ruger France are really bizarre. The
males are pretty ordinary and normal and don't have
anything dramatic about them.
0:50:7.700 --> 0:50:10.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But out here they're they're fairly
common widespread.
0:50:11.610 --> 0:50:11.980
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:50:23.30 --> 0:50:23.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah.
0:50:13.540 --> 0:50:30.950
Droege, Sam
All right. So then we're going to jump down to, yeah,
so Mike's right, these are what resin bees, resin species that are mostly not
cutting leaves, but gathering globs of resin to make their end caps and perhaps
lining the cell too with resin, I'm not sure.
0:50:32.660 --> 0:50:37.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I don't know. That's been noticed or not, I can't remember saying.
0:50:38.40 --> 0:50:38.470
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:50:38.380 --> 0:50:43.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But, but that's important thing. I mean, they this used to be a separate genus
and a lot of the older literature.
0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:47.710
Droege, Sam
OK so.
0:50:46.730 --> 0:50:48.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Because of the biological differences.
0:50:50.30 --> 0:50:57.150
Droege, Sam
Yeah, right. Oh, yeah. I've seen that in several places. OK, I'm going to pull
specimens now. So what time are we at?
0:50:58.860 --> 0:50:59.190
Droege, Sam
Layer.
0:51:0.60 --> 0:51:1.510
Droege, Sam
How many minutes to soon?
0:51:0.990 --> 0:51:2.210
Maffei, Clare J
152.
0:51:2.530 --> 0:51:14.220
Droege, Sam
152 OK. Well, we can maybe cover this first pair here. So
this is these are also my you want to talk about a little bit, they're pretty
common specimens, one more southern.
0:51:20.630 --> 0:51:21.550
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Yep.
0:51:14.740 --> 0:51:29.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, XLS and Campagnoli are at least I think those
are the ones that you're going to talk about, Sam. But yeah, these are common
in the Midwest, very similar in appearance, similar size often you see them
together in the same places.
0:51:29.710 --> 0:51:38.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm. And then the field, it's hard to please. It's hard for me to tell them
apart, but once under magnification there are some differences.
0:51:40.550 --> 0:51:44.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And these are compared to a lot of the.
0:51:44.720 --> 0:51:55.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's mega Kylie species. We've looked at up till now. These are very pretty narrow, streamlined in both sexes compared to a lot
of other.
0:51:56.610 --> 0:52:2.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'll make the Kylie. And again that's sort of a subtle
thing, but it's a good field character, I think.
0:52:10.950 --> 0:52:11.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:52:4.480 --> 0:52:13.990
Droege, Sam
So I'm going to pull. I've got a camping. No, I've got a XLS here. I always
call it anxious. But XLS sounds more scientific, so we'll go with that.
0:52:15.10 --> 0:52:15.690
Droege, Sam
And.
0:52:17.40 --> 0:52:19.980
Droege, Sam
We will stick it under the scope.
0:52:18.510 --> 0:52:24.610
Maffei, Clare J
You're you're definitely gonna have to show us the mastic. Mastic. Go for us.
0:52:25.40 --> 0:52:27.210
Maffei, Clare J
That's the gaffers. There we go.
0:52:24.110 --> 0:52:35.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh, that's the gopherus.
Yeah, we we owe that. I think we owe that to the late
Roy Snelling. That was his thing. But it is something that's pretty
under under magnification. It's really easy to see and.
0:52:36.0 --> 0:52:38.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, and it's.
0:52:39.150 --> 0:52:40.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Present in.
0:52:40.700 --> 0:52:52.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Exilus or Exilus and it's a
basically a strand, a long strand of hair or a seedy with a tough at the end
that comes off the front.
0:52:53.450 --> 0:52:55.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, the tip of the front.
0:53:3.0 --> 0:53:3.720
Droege, Sam
Is it the?
0:53:4.520 --> 0:53:4.980
Droege, Sam
Listen.
0:53:4.70 --> 0:53:6.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Work. Yeah. The basic tarsy, yeah.
0:53:7.270 --> 0:53:7.790
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:53:7.230 --> 0:53:14.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's like a whip. It's like a whip. And I I'm trying to remember the the Greek origin of this, but I think it has something to
do with the whip.
0:53:15.740 --> 0:53:17.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Which makes sense. That's kind of what it looks like.
0:53:17.860 --> 0:53:32.500
Droege, Sam
Right. We're gonna. I. This is a completely new one
for me. So we'll have to see if we can find it. OK. So we're in excelis land here. So I I think of them having big
differences or relatively.
0:53:43.50 --> 0:53:43.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:53:33.610 --> 0:54:2.230
Droege, Sam
Apparent differences in the the amount and color and
expansion of the frame front basitar see Mike, you're
here 44 coxa hair short, dense, mostly appressed. So
we'll see if we can see the coxa. And in this this particular
business in the four basic tarzy twice as long
as wide pale in color has this thing master go for us.
0:54:3.10 --> 0:54:20.300
Droege, Sam
And most heim, basil tarsal hair is several times
longer than width, and basil tarsi. OK, so let's start with the front. And I
think I've got the view here of the runt.
0:54:20.380 --> 0:54:20.650
Droege, Sam
To.
0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:27.390
Droege, Sam
Of the basic tarsal segments here.
0:54:32.0 --> 0:54:32.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's good.
0:54:33.310 --> 0:54:33.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:54:29.0 --> 0:54:35.450
Droege, Sam
Being more, I always often think of it as more cupped and.
0:54:34.850 --> 0:54:56.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, and. And the, the apical one, as you notice those those
first two are concave underneath. You're looking at the underside and the but
the last ones like like a bead like a round bead and
excel lesson and Campanula, which I don't we'll get to today or not it's
different. So that's a good character too.
0:54:58.650 --> 0:54:58.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Please.
0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:5.450
Droege, Sam
So the four coxa, let's see if I can flip this over. I'm not quite sure.
0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:13.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh totally yeah yeah.
0:55:6.220 --> 0:55:15.230
Droege, Sam
What this specimen has, you know, this is this area that often the legs fold up
and it's can be very busy.
0:55:18.80 --> 0:55:19.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Early might have it there.
0:55:22.20 --> 0:55:22.600
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:26.120
Droege, Sam
OK. And you could, yeah.
0:55:24.580 --> 0:55:28.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So, you know, yeah. See if they're just covered with that oppressed dense white
hair.
0:55:30.190 --> 0:55:30.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's good.
0:55:30.30 --> 0:55:54.480
Droege, Sam
And also notice that there's the lack of long spine, so the but note that there
is something bumpy to like if you were in a different part of the species
group, you might even call this a spine, but it's nothing at all like the long
one. It's more like a triangle with a nub on top, and then these are the hairs
you must be talking about here.
0:55:54.260 --> 0:55:55.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:55:56.470 --> 0:56:3.150
Droege, Sam
OK. And now this whip, the master gopherus, is. Where
is that?
0:56:4.370 --> 0:56:6.630
Droege, Sam
Present it's on the four coxa.
0:56:14.150 --> 0:56:14.590
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:56:5.310 --> 0:56:17.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's. It's from the front leg on the comes off the actually
the end of the tibia for tibia. I remember right. I should have put that
should have put that in the key because who knows what?
0:56:18.510 --> 0:56:19.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, don't tell you.
0:56:16.30 --> 0:56:19.770
Droege, Sam
OK, alright. Well, uh, work in progress. Alright so.
0:56:29.690 --> 0:56:29.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
To.
0:56:22.230 --> 0:56:31.80
Droege, Sam
Here, let's just work from where we are now. I'm here. It's at the base or the the tip. So here would be the tip of the tibia.
0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I don't see anything there that's showing up.
0:56:33.60 --> 0:56:33.680
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:56:35.240 --> 0:56:35.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.
0:56:34.870 --> 0:56:36.860
Droege, Sam
Yeah, this is. I don't even know.
0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:42.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. No, it would. You know, that's you're looking at the right place. It's
just it's a very narrow.
0:56:45.460 --> 0:56:48.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, hair like structure, but I don't know. I don't see it there saying.
0:56:48.310 --> 0:56:54.40
Droege, Sam
OK. And is it, would you call it a a hair or a CT or
a splintering?
0:56:58.360 --> 0:56:58.900
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
0:56:52.810 --> 0:57:1.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
More of a it's more of a city, but it's very long and
with the tough at the end, it's really it's unlike
anything.
0:57:2.100 --> 0:57:5.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm in any of the other mega chilies we've looked at?
0:57:5.580 --> 0:57:15.0
Droege, Sam
Let's look at the other side. It's possible because we're at the angle is
wrong. Is it coming off the ventral or the dorsal side? So
we're looking more ventral right now.
0:57:14.430 --> 0:57:17.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, that's good. That looks like a good view.
0:57:21.890 --> 0:57:22.780
Droege, Sam
If the sampling.
0:57:21.330 --> 0:57:23.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then go up you correct them.
0:57:23.930 --> 0:57:26.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Go use go up and down with the focus gently.
0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:27.580
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:57:27.710 --> 0:57:29.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
See if it shows up that way.
0:57:33.330 --> 0:57:36.80
Droege, Sam
Alright, we may have to look at our specimens.
0:57:36.500 --> 0:57:37.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:57:37.770 --> 0:57:39.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well anyway.
0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:44.630
Droege, Sam
Alright, I'll try and yeah, for next time I'll try and find that. Could this be
it here.
0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:45.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.
0:57:45.310 --> 0:57:45.810
Droege, Sam
This.
0:57:48.170 --> 0:57:50.0
Droege, Sam
I mean, I'm at my Max.
0:57:47.790 --> 0:57:51.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, I don't know that could be broke. It could be broken too. It's possible.
0:57:52.20 --> 0:57:52.390
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:57:53.630 --> 0:57:54.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know.
0:57:55.180 --> 0:57:56.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That will will.
0:57:53.770 --> 0:58:1.680
Droege, Sam
Alright, well, I'll I will make an effort next time to
actually get a specimen and get it in.
0:58:0.550 --> 0:58:2.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
City City and see it, yeah.
0:58:2.440 --> 0:58:9.20
Droege, Sam
Focus. OK. And the contrast with Campanelli is that
it does not have that?
0:58:9.410 --> 0:58:10.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right, right.
0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:35.250
Droege, Sam
OK. No. Interesting. And then is like in the females, if we looked at the T6 or
T5I, can't remember in which is it is you have a hair band and XLS and not a
hair band and campanulate but or is it vice versa? And I think that's right.
But is that at all true for?
0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:39.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The mails. Yeah I have.
0:58:41.80 --> 0:58:41.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:58:36.20 --> 0:58:42.110
Droege, Sam
Umm, I guess there's really no these are these are
basal hair bands, not apical hair bands.
0:58:43.30 --> 0:58:44.970
Droege, Sam
So I guess it's inappropriate.
0:58:46.60 --> 0:58:48.790
Droege, Sam
Since there are no apical.
0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:52.70
Droege, Sam
Bands whatsoever.
0:58:52.860 --> 0:58:54.890
Droege, Sam
OK, alright.
0:58:54.930 --> 0:59:0.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Another you know, just a biological note is that excellence seems to be.
0:59:1.70 --> 0:59:8.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Kind of a generalist likes legumes, but companion only is pretty much a
Bellflower specialist. I mean, that's if you want to find it. That's what you
look for.
0:59:9.580 --> 0:59:14.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Something something in the campaign. You, Lacey, from
family. Hence the name.
0:59:16.130 --> 0:59:17.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It is in the in the Midwest.
0:59:23.50 --> 0:59:24.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah yeah.
0:59:15.780 --> 0:59:27.190
Droege, Sam
Well, except it might be. Yeah, so it it's possible. It's Venus looking glass
around here because we almost are completely absent of.
0:59:29.500 --> 0:59:30.470
Droege, Sam
Of.
0:59:31.140 --> 0:59:32.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Any companion?
0:59:31.860 --> 0:59:34.570
Droege, Sam
I can't. Yeah, of actual Campanula.
0:59:35.70 --> 0:59:36.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that makes sense.
0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:47.430
Droege, Sam
The genus right here. Now you go to the West, into the mountains and you get
them. But like around here, I never see him. I've now got them planted. But we
do see both species often the same place, like you mentioned.
0:59:52.140 --> 0:59:53.250
Droege, Sam
You know, I wonder if.
0:59:53.70 --> 0:59:55.530
Maffei, Clare J
So by the way, it's 201.
0:59:56.140 --> 0:59:56.480
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:0:6.40 --> 1:0:6.480
Droege, Sam
Right.
1:0:8.850 --> 1:0:12.120
Droege, Sam
There's this should be Campanula.
1:0:15.860 --> 1:0:20.90
Droege, Sam
All right. So I guess we'll, we'll revisit this when
we get back.
1:0:21.200 --> 1:0:29.230
Droege, Sam
But in comparison it should have less hairs on the front of cocksucka
and won't have the long spine and all that kind of thing.
1:0:31.720 --> 1:0:33.650
Droege, Sam
So we will return.
1:0:38.850 --> 1:0:39.410
Maffei, Clare J
Awesome.
1:0:38.340 --> 1:0:39.870
Droege, Sam
Any questions or anything clear?
1:0:41.700 --> 1:0:49.600
Maffei, Clare J
Nothing in the chat, but might look like Sam was using a more updated version
than we might have had. I think Sam maybe said that before.
1:0:51.270 --> 1:0:53.210
Maffei, Clare J
Do you have a chance to send that along? That be awesome.
1:0:53.720 --> 1:0:56.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think I did, but it was like it.
1:0:56.160 --> 1:0:58.910
Droege, Sam
Might have just been just before because I really.
1:0:57.890 --> 1:0:59.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it was it.
1:1:1.190 --> 1:1:1.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
1:1:3.730 --> 1:1:4.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
1:0:58.920 --> 1:1:4.250
Maffei, Clare J
OK, I might not have looked that up yet. OK, well, then I'll send that along to
the group before next class.
1:1:5.830 --> 1:1:6.210
Maffei, Clare J
Great.
1:1:5.980 --> 1:1:11.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You gotta make make a few
more edits that I've discovered today, so that's good. It's always good to have
all this feedback.
1:1:11.930 --> 1:1:12.480
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah.
1:1:12.320 --> 1:1:12.650
Maffei, Clare J
OK.
1:1:13.950 --> 1:1:14.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Thank you.
1:1:15.200 --> 1:1:16.240
Maffei, Clare J
Thank you everyone.
1:1:15.930 --> 1:1:16.740
Droege, Sam
Alright everybody.
1:1:18.210 --> 1:1:20.40
Droege, Sam
See you next time. Thanks, Mike.
1:1:21.670 --> 1:1:21.970
Droege, Sam
All right.
1:1:19.600 --> 1:1:22.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK. Yep. Thank you, Sam. Thank you, Claire.