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Droege, Sam
Maybe it would be good for everyone who's online to vote for what species Group
we tackle next.
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Droege, Sam
Because we still have, I'm sure, two more days of Megan. Kylie. But you know,
coming up should be thinking about what we might do next.
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Droege, Sam
And so.
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Maffei, Clare J
Oh wait, I have. I do have an announcement. Ohhh my gosh. Next class.
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Maffei, Clare J
Will be our first bumblebee.
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Droege, Sam
No. OK, good.
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Maffei, Clare J
Class with the lane.
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Droege, Sam
How great.
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Droege, Sam
All right. Well, we'll have to.
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Droege, Sam
Tapner.
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Maffei, Clare J
So I'll make that announcement, I'll put it up on the listserv and all of that.
But definitely if you're watching this in recording, try to come September the
14th.
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Maffei, Clare J
Or I forget what region she's doing.
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Maffei, Clare J
Is that northwest maybe.
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Droege, Sam
Umm yeah, I would think.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, I think so.
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Maffei, Clare J
So next week.
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Droege, Sam
Yay.
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Droege, Sam
I'm trying to get my microscope light to work here, but I think we'll jump to
the guide and let Mike explain while I try and get this to acknowledge better
what's going on. It's on.
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Droege, Sam
Of Robert I'm. I'm gonna be online here.
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Droege, Sam
And so I'll share my screen.
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Droege, Sam
And we will.
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Droege, Sam
Jump to the latest version that just got sent out of mikes. Magically mail key
has all always we are always working on keys.
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Droege, Sam
And so I'm gonna jump. So can everyone see on on my on their screen the
highlighted yellow part of the new key.
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Droege, Sam
That's showing up.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, I don't that's.
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Maffei, Clare J
We don't see your screen.
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Droege, Sam
OK. OK. I think I didn't share completely.
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Maffei, Clare J
And I'm emailing the group that I'm keys that the new key as of an hour ago.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. And it's probably not an significantly different for what we're gonna
talk about today.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Actually it is.
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Droege, Sam
Oh, it is? Never mind.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But yeah, yeah, well, 'cause I I forgot to add 1 species and I.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I just noticed that the other day.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a common one how I missed it but.
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Droege, Sam
Right. So.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.
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Droege, Sam
All right, so do you see the guide now on your screens, OK. And so that was
frugalista, I think that you were talking about.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's that's correct, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
OK. Yeah, we might.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh could very we should get into that. Actually we will because we left off.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right there, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Here and we we discussed the.
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Droege, Sam
The the.
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Droege, Sam
Uh species that have hair patterns that aren't banded and that have only that
have 4 teeth. And now we're gonna jump to the three toothed ones and that have
more that, let's say classic.
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Droege, Sam
Characteristics of the species. I think we did talk about Pruinosa, so we're
going to skip that and we're gonna jump down, jump down here to.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
19.
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Droege, Sam
Well, we did. We did both in January and Perlina. So wait a minute. Why am I
no.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, so this goes to 19. Sorry.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, sorry.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. And there we are now here and but.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, I indicated on the last one that we this is the couple that was missed. So
sorry, let me work on my. Actually I can't now because I you'll see what I'm
doing. But so anyway, let's talk about frugality. I'll pull us frugals specimen
while you're talking, Mike.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right. So this next group of species, which they're four in the east and and
several others out West.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, isn't this group that has always been called, say, APIs subgenus and still
is, and they're all they have. They're big, long and narrow, and both in both
sexes. And the males all have 3 teeth on the mandible and a ventral basil.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Tooth.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And many of them are are fairly common.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the first one for Galois is the only one in the east.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That has normal people just call it normal legs, that front, front tarsi aren't
modified, they're they look just like the mid tarsal.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they're not yellow. It's dark, and then they're all very, very normal
looking. All the other three that we'll get to have highly modified.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Front.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Fantasy.
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Droege, Sam
OK, I'm gonna so go ahead. I'm gonna flip to the microscope. It says error and
communicating with camera.
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Droege, Sam
And let me.
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Droege, Sam
Switch back there, switch here.
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Droege, Sam
See if it it's not loading the.
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Droege, Sam
Screen I'm going to dive out and dive back in on this.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
Then I've got frugalista here as well as pagnotta, but I don't have polar Keras
to look at, but should just take a second.
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Droege, Sam
To do that.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So this.
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Droege, Sam
And what else? Go ahead, Mike.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, these are these are all above ground cavity nesters in?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Goals and wood or twig nests or trap nests and the fairly well known. I mean
there's a because of the fact that they you can get him a nest and study them.
Biology and most of these these next these four species is fairly well known
and most they like composites or Asteraceae.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Fairly.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
At least frugalista is fairly common, at least in the Midwest.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Find it frequently. Don't know how common it is on the east.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow.
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Droege, Sam
Not super common. In fact, we when we started, we got the first record for
Maryland.
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Droege, Sam
And now I've I've got a I've got a handful, but not not like a tons. I mean,
just have almost the impression that they're increasing in numbers.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
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Droege, Sam
Right. So.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the other thing about the truth, frugal as males is.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
The above the four Coxwell spines, there are no bristles. It's just long white
hairs and the other three species that will get to all have really unique
reddish bristles on the front coxie, which are otherwise bare. So it's for
Dallas stands out from from this, the other three productively.
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Droege, Sam
Right. In particular, with the lack of the gigantic white.
0:7:24.650 --> 0:7:25.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, from target.
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Droege, Sam
Uh tarsal segments on the front legs.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
I'm apologizing here. I'm not using the microscope behaves very nicely.
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Droege, Sam
And this time.
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Droege, Sam
Yet.
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Droege, Sam
Is not.
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Droege, Sam
We're going to open it back up again.
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Droege, Sam
All right. That part were that's working.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. And I have. Aren't they a legume lover? The frugalista.
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Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, I'd like legumes and composites both, at least in the Midwest.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, those are the two things you find in that almost right now without
almost exception.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's also true of the next other three pug needed.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pull the Carrison and emica. They love Vasteras CE and occasionally.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Things in the bean family.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I see them a lot on the, you know, the big composites.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, it seems to be thinking the that it will play with us.
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Droege, Sam
And there it is. The software always shows that doesn't like how much space I
have on there.
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Droege, Sam
And we should be able to click live.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
Up there we go, OK.
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Droege, Sam
All right, so I'm zooming in. I've got frugals on the deck.
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Maffei, Clare J
Sam, can you change your cursor before we get into the microscope world?
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Maffei, Clare J
Thank you.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Your.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
All right.
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Maffei, Clare J
Super.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, see you.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, we will of lip.
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Droege, Sam
This over so we can see the.
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Droege, Sam
I take the specimens off here.
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Droege, Sam
Tables.
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Droege, Sam
So we can see the four tarsi and then we will contrast. I've got pug, not a
right up here.
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Droege, Sam
Who were some of the prior characteristics that got us to frugalista?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, 33 teeth, three mandibular teeth.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Spines on the Cox front cocsa that are pretty obvious.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And this group in America, I mean frugality and the next three species of
follow all have.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well defined uh fascia on the tour guides. Very distinctive.
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Droege, Sam
And yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And very white, very bold and very, very complete.
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Droege, Sam
And the CT, which are pretty much absent here.
0:10:52.290 --> 0:10:54.680
Droege, Sam
On the front cocsa.
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Droege, Sam
Just here, let me turn it around to the other side.
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Droege, Sam
I think the.
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Droege, Sam
Or tibia is easier to see. I think you know in discover life it seems to keep
pretty quickly down to the species.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Got put that pug.
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Droege, Sam
And ohh I'm now sorry we're looking at the bug. Nada which I have. I should
never put them on the same.
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Droege, Sam
Piece of play.
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Droege, Sam
OK so.
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Droege, Sam
Here.
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Droege, Sam
And I'll do full screen here too.
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Droege, Sam
But here it basically we're showing that there's really nothing going on here.
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Droege, Sam
In terms of the.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Front legs.
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Droege, Sam
No up front legs is gonna be magically different if we can. This should be the
four coxa there and we it's hard to see down there. But like you said, there's
basically there's no, there is a spine which I think we're looking straight
down on, but there's no CT down there, just hairs.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, just long white hairs.
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Droege, Sam
You know.
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Droege, Sam
Given how difficult it is to see into those areas where to see nothing, we're
gonna say.
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Droege, Sam
That that's.
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Droege, Sam
Acceptable view of that. And now I'm going to switch to Pug gnata.
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Droege, Sam
And we can see the lovely characters it has on its four cocsa, including the
mysterious row of black CT there.
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Droege, Sam
I'm going to put this away.
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Droege, Sam
Great, so now.
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Droege, Sam
Now pignata can come into play.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So in the upper Midwest, but now it's really common. But in Missouri and
further South, they're just a handful of records.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know about one of these coast.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's good.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So in Maryland, it's very regular and I've got him at home. I've got him
here at the lab. And if you put up trapped, trapped nests.
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Droege, Sam
You see those?
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Droege, Sam
See them in the trap nest regularly. You know, if you put up like your hotels,
B hotels for osmia, then later in the summer Gnata will show up. I'm gonna drop
the lighting down just a little bit.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. So we're looking at the front legs there and that bold.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
This patch narrow patch of black seedy.
0:14:3.880 --> 0:14:4.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
This on the.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Today's itarsi. Yeah, yeah. Enlargement are the expansion of it very
distinctive.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, there we go.
0:14:19.580 --> 0:14:20.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, that's good.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, you can see how huge that is and then this this brush here of black
hairs. I think that's how it basically is is going to be.
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Droege, Sam
Separating it from Inimica, right?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, what other things? Yeah, yeah.
0:14:37.150 --> 0:14:44.300
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So what are some? I'm not looking at the guide right now. We can flip
back, but now that I'm less discombobulated.
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Droege, Sam
So we we're skipping full of cameras and with police cares, which is in our
area would be a much further to the South. I think there's no records for
Maryland, for example species and it has this very broad and flattened mid,
Baeza Tarsis that's different and bigger and wider than the hind base of
Tarsus. So that's really obvious. But sadly I don't have a mail to show for it.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, Pollock areas is very common in the in the central Midwest.
0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:22.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wait, maybe?
0:15:23.10 --> 0:15:24.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's definitely more common than bug. Nada.
0:15:26.190 --> 0:15:26.540
Droege, Sam
No.
0:15:26.170 --> 0:15:26.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.
0:15:27.740 --> 0:15:29.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's a cool it can be for sure.
0:15:31.80 --> 0:15:43.380
Droege, Sam
And it looks like it has some differences in the number of CT one to two versus
two to five and maybe the the others below here have smaller CT.
0:15:43.740 --> 0:15:54.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's. Yep, that's right. And the front cockier yellow, completely yellow. And
then the others. It's they're dark, so bullet terrace is stands, stands out.
And that's really distinctive.
0:15:55.130 --> 0:15:55.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The mail.
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Droege, Sam
So I'm here. We're looking at the difference between Inimica and pagnotta. Both
are both are in Maryland too, and we were looking at the pagnotta specimen. We
still have it up on the screen there. What else do we have? So you want to talk
about the apex?
0:16:16.490 --> 0:16:22.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. When you look at that, uh and Sam had it in tokus there, uh, that
enlargement.
0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Of the basic Tarsis.
0:16:27.750 --> 0:16:33.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's you can kind of tell, I think in this picture in pugnet a it reaches
further.
0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:40.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Down to the tarsal segments, then and then if it does by by one segment.
0:16:41.230 --> 0:16:42.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So if you if you.
0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If you look at that front tarsi.
0:16:49.50 --> 0:16:57.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
All the segments together, the tip of the scale or the tip of that enlargement
of the base of Tarsis reaches to the third.
0:16:58.890 --> 0:17:3.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Tarsal segment INCOGNITA, but only to the second in an Amiga.
0:17:4.210 --> 0:17:25.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, but the the other thing though the most obvious thing is what you're
seeing right in front of you, that dark, very discreet patch of dark hairs out.
And then like it has some dark hairs, but it's not. It's less, far, less
distinct. And you'd never confuse them. So that's, I mean, that's maybe the
best deal marked for the mail, right, data, what you're looking at right there.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, that's usually what I focus in on when looking at them.
0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:47.510
Droege, Sam
And you just looking at your other characters here with the plug gnata lower
genome margin below the eye with large bare area. Ohh sort of reflecting.
0:17:50.310 --> 0:17:51.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right, right.
0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:53.680
Droege, Sam
What's in the female? Which that big pulled out wrong? OK, we'll take a look at
that.
0:17:59.270 --> 0:17:59.920
Droege, Sam
See.
0:18:0.660 --> 0:18:2.290
Droege, Sam
He quite see it here but.
0:18:9.180 --> 0:18:9.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.
0:18:3.90 --> 0:18:10.600
Droege, Sam
We'll flip that over. And what do you think that prong is for? So and the
females right about here would be this big.
0:18:12.110 --> 0:18:18.990
Droege, Sam
A big snot, really. A spine, I guess. But projecting tooth almost.
0:18:19.860 --> 0:18:24.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, for anybody that's ever had the opportunity to watch.
0:18:24.940 --> 0:18:26.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh pignata?
0:18:28.10 --> 0:18:28.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Nesting.
0:18:29.690 --> 0:18:32.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Their aptly named because they are.
0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Truly pugnacious. I mean they they tear out the nests of other.
0:18:38.770 --> 0:18:47.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Nearby Mega Kiladze, it could be their own species, and I've seen this over and
over, and they.
0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:48.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know that's.
0:18:50.410 --> 0:18:52.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So I don't know if that thing hanging down from the females.
0:18:54.0 --> 0:19:0.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Geek is involved in that, but they're they're very aggressive species with
respect to other mega pilots.
0:19:5.870 --> 0:19:6.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:19:9.550 --> 0:19:10.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
0:19:1.110 --> 0:19:23.60
Droege, Sam
Right. You could see if if a lot of their MO is to hook, it would be that that
could hook out the the nesting material pretty quickly and perhaps be reused.
So I think this is the area you're talking about, but it's not visible so well.
So I'm gonna change the perspective a little bit here and see more down below,
but it's a bear, it's bear spot, right, Mike?
0:19:23.220 --> 0:19:25.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it is now.
0:19:31.750 --> 0:19:32.370
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:19:27.700 --> 0:19:33.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I suppose if that's ones come out of liquid in our our dried ride or something
might not might not show up as well.
0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. There you go. It's kind of seeing it there.
0:19:39.470 --> 0:19:43.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then animoca, it would be far less obvious.
0:19:47.430 --> 0:19:50.180
Droege, Sam
So we're talking this area right here.
0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:51.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I guess so, yeah.
0:19:54.340 --> 0:19:55.880
Droege, Sam
For this area back here.
0:19:58.150 --> 0:19:58.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:20:0.370 --> 0:20:1.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yes.
0:20:1.630 --> 0:20:11.980
Droege, Sam
Most of our specimens are coming out of liquid. Well, we'll contrast the two
and this would be this area right here would be the area for.
0:20:13.150 --> 0:20:14.140
Droege, Sam
The.
0:20:16.300 --> 0:20:16.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
0:20:17.390 --> 0:20:17.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
0:20:16.110 --> 0:20:19.720
Droege, Sam
Uh, where that the prong would be in the female?
0:20:18.650 --> 0:20:19.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the female? Yeah.
0:20:21.780 --> 0:20:27.90
Droege, Sam
And this this I'm just a little bit confused, so here's the bottom of the eye.
0:20:28.230 --> 0:20:33.600
Droege, Sam
Is this the edge of the mandible and the mandible over there? Are we actually
this, not the mandible, is it?
0:20:39.140 --> 0:20:40.390
Droege, Sam
Ah, OK.
0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:41.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think that's the ventral, ventral basil. You know, tooth or projection of the
mandible, I think. I think. I think that's what that is.
0:20:41.730 --> 0:20:44.670
Droege, Sam
Yeah, that's the problem with these microscope things here.
0:20:47.930 --> 0:20:49.780
Droege, Sam
Great. And it's tucked in and up.
0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:58.280
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So in that area and again we have less than perfect specimens that have
been through.
0:20:59.0 --> 0:20:59.830
Droege, Sam
The.
0:21:1.560 --> 0:21:6.810
Droege, Sam
Like I'm almost everything out of our lab is coming out of liquid, so I'm gonna
flip.
0:21:7.610 --> 0:21:9.220
Droege, Sam
To inimica now.
0:21:9.440 --> 0:21:9.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:15.510
Droege, Sam
And take off the label and we'll start with the.
0:21:18.170 --> 0:21:19.870
Droege, Sam
Front be the tarsal area.
0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.430
Droege, Sam
We're looking for a shorter projection of the.
0:21:26.650 --> 0:21:30.320
Droege, Sam
These intersal expanded space.
0:21:31.610 --> 0:21:32.540
Droege, Sam
As well.
0:21:33.350 --> 0:21:33.960
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:21:31.250 --> 0:21:42.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And in the Midwest, in the Midwestern species, yeah, the the, those, the four
tarsi aren't as bright yellow. And then again I think that's, yeah, that's
probably the same way on the coast.
0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:44.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Compared to pugs.
0:21:43.420 --> 0:21:49.850
Droege, Sam
Yeah, that's right. There's there's some subspecies, whatever that means
involved aren't there with the inimica.
0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:57.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there is one. At least one still recognized. I think that has all the
legs are all red and the females.
0:21:58.520 --> 0:21:58.990
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
0:21:59.460 --> 0:22:1.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that's the one we.
0:21:59.830 --> 0:22:1.200
Droege, Sam
Then your western.
0:22:4.250 --> 0:22:4.600
Droege, Sam
Help.
0:22:2.170 --> 0:22:9.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's the one we find in the Midwest almost all the time. Occasionally,
occasionally, we find those with dark legs or mixed, so I don't really know.
0:22:12.20 --> 0:22:12.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh really?
0:22:10.300 --> 0:22:14.30
Droege, Sam
We never see red ones like I'd. I would notice that. Yeah, never.
0:22:13.620 --> 0:22:14.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah.
0:22:14.830 --> 0:22:15.400
Droege, Sam
Never. Ever.
0:22:15.870 --> 0:22:16.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:22:17.350 --> 0:22:18.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, they're, I mean.
0:22:17.850 --> 0:22:19.140
Droege, Sam
And mentioned yeah.
0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're completely rad, really distinctive.
0:22:22.120 --> 0:22:22.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In the females.
0:22:22.330 --> 0:22:23.630
Droege, Sam
And so yeah.
0:22:24.810 --> 0:22:51.240
Droege, Sam
So Umm here you can you know, it's quite a bit the look and feel is a little is
quite different too. So this big projecting part of the front Basil Torres is
not nearly as long as in the other species. And I'll try and roll it over and
we'll see what, if any dark hairs are on the inside upper edge there that we
saw that long black band.
0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:53.290
Droege, Sam
In.
0:22:55.70 --> 0:22:56.300
Droege, Sam
Magnata mail.
0:23:0.640 --> 0:23:1.210
Droege, Sam
To.
0:23:10.380 --> 0:23:12.580
Droege, Sam
I'm not seeing it well here.
0:23:18.610 --> 0:23:20.350
Droege, Sam
May have to turn it over.
0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:24.370
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:23:23.170 --> 0:23:24.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is that little black dot again?
0:23:29.60 --> 0:23:29.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:31.830
Droege, Sam
Right, so this should be the Bayes Atari system. It has black hairs, but not
that big crisp.
0:23:33.430 --> 0:23:34.510
Droege, Sam
Whole section.
0:23:36.650 --> 0:23:43.210
Droege, Sam
Out of curiosity, I'm going to see what we said in discover life here to about
that telling the two apart.
0:23:46.20 --> 0:23:49.80
Droege, Sam
So we'll go pick our jump.
0:23:50.620 --> 0:23:52.30
Droege, Sam
Should have this set up already.
0:23:54.650 --> 0:23:55.610
Droege, Sam
And.
0:23:57.170 --> 0:24:0.480
Droege, Sam
Good ideas and make Kylie.
0:24:1.370 --> 0:24:15.740
Droege, Sam
Mail and after again as you use these keys like with the Mega Kylie, you may
know that you just need to go in and look at just that inimica pignata section
and you can do that through the has without.
0:24:16.630 --> 0:24:25.240
Droege, Sam
Blowing your way through the whole guide, just like when you're using
dichotomous keys, you often jump down to the section you think is.
0:24:28.60 --> 0:24:29.550
Droege, Sam
The one you want. So we want.
0:24:32.10 --> 0:24:33.810
Droege, Sam
I can see that small.
0:24:35.370 --> 0:24:57.920
Droege, Sam
Up there he go. Pagnotta versus inimica. So in DL. So we'll be adding mikes
characteristics here too. We have Francis Mullen, who's coming into work with
us tomorrow as a matter of fact, to start in on that. So front base starts as
lacking a distinct brush that we were looking at here and you can see in this
picture this match is very nicely.
0:24:58.750 --> 0:25:15.0
Droege, Sam
What we're looking at in the microscope here, you can see this. You know,
basically a fairly plain inner space without this huge projecting basil tarsal
wedge, which you can see in.
0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:31.200
Droege, Sam
In the picture here and they don't have this one line of teeth. Let's see if we
can blow this up over here. Yeah. No, no. Brush of black hair. So that's like a
kind of brush you would.
0:25:32.80 --> 0:25:38.700
Droege, Sam
When you're going to church, you would take out the brush and brush your shoes
to Polish them kind of thing.
0:25:40.10 --> 0:25:44.290
Droege, Sam
Going back in a long time ago for me, so.
0:25:44.370 --> 0:25:59.860
Droege, Sam
Umm, so short hair on the interior of the base only hears about the same rusty
colon color. Skew them and T1 with hair of moderate length and versus student
one with long and messy hair and a lot of how useful that is.
0:26:1.510 --> 0:26:4.580
Droege, Sam
Now let's go back to Mike's key.
0:26:5.720 --> 0:26:9.110
Droege, Sam
And so you wanna talk about the other characteristics here?
0:26:9.940 --> 0:26:12.210
Droege, Sam
Or did we pretty much cover well?
0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:13.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think, yeah, I think you pretty much covered it.
0:26:14.360 --> 0:26:14.690
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:26:14.460 --> 0:26:14.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:21.860
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:25.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Others you know, Animoca doesn't get as far north as Pugna does. I mean, that's
sometimes range helps narrow things down.
0:26:27.290 --> 0:26:29.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, in the East, I mean in the Midwest.
0:26:30.850 --> 0:26:39.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, Southern Michigan, southern Wisconsin, southern Minnesota, it's kind
of that's it for an America. But plug natives way up into the Upper Peninsula
and.
0:26:40.870 --> 0:26:42.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Northern parts of the Midwest.
0:26:43.990 --> 0:26:44.190
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:26:43.940 --> 0:26:45.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very common, very common up there.
0:26:47.400 --> 0:27:2.860
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So, so that takes care of that group and also in America is mostly to the
South and not to the north where we are too. We're sort of at the northern
edge. So we see it most more on coastal plain Eastern Shore.
0:27:4.420 --> 0:27:4.990
Droege, Sam
So.
0:27:5.750 --> 0:27:34.920
Droege, Sam
Here we're leaving this section of mikes guide, and we're going here to 22 and
for a lot of you know this, but you can often you can tell where the jump the
pre, the jump for this character was by looking in the brackets. So this came
from six we ignored that and went down the various legs of the guide till we
got to plug not up but now we're actually going back to an earlier place where.
0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:36.570
Droege, Sam
We.
0:27:36.650 --> 0:27:53.680
Droege, Sam
Umm. And and revisiting that. So here we have a pair, a couplet pair, one of
which is gonna take us to the three introduced species. The small species with
the pseudo phobia, and then the other.
0:27:54.250 --> 0:28:17.210
Droege, Sam
Umm couplet is going to take us into the lovely tangle of bees that are very
common and that we have to deal with and try and figure out what's brevis, what
is pseudo brevis and what is mendica and and texana and so forth. So in this particular
couplet.
0:28:18.650 --> 0:28:30.950
Droege, Sam
The the trick is seeing these pseudo phobia on the hind abdomen, so I'm gonna
go put something up on deck if you wanna talk about that a little bit more,
Mike.
0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:33.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. These are we when we.
0:28:34.930 --> 0:28:50.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Did the female, mega Kylie we we talked about this and looked at some and these
pseudo phobia or these weak weak depressions are very, very fine dense hairs
show it better in the males at least.
0:28:51.130 --> 0:28:59.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, I see it then. Then they do in the females, but they're present on both.
So that's a that's a useful character. If you see that.
0:29:0.80 --> 0:29:16.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's on the G2 or G3, you know, it's this group, and they're also tend to
be small. There's not much overlap, brevis. Small specimens of brevis sometimes
overlap with the bigger specimens of.
0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:20.870
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:29:19.230 --> 0:29:26.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Rotten data. And then it's relatives. But in general they're little and it's
stands out and.
0:29:26.390 --> 0:29:38.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, they petalis at least in the Midwest, which is a rare one. We don't hardly
ever see that has Fulvia on T2 and T3 and the specimens I have, it is super
distinct. You can't miss it.
0:29:39.590 --> 0:29:46.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The other two species, real time data and concinna and which there may be a
four another fourth species masquerading is constant.
0:29:49.100 --> 0:29:51.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's only phobia on T2.
0:29:52.830 --> 0:30:3.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And depending on how how telescoped the abdomen is, sometimes those can be
concealed or partly concealed, so sometimes you do have to look pretty
carefully.
0:30:4.560 --> 0:30:6.510
Droege, Sam
And I'll also mention.
0:30:7.220 --> 0:30:15.690
Droege, Sam
That if you don't prepare your specimens very well in terms of washing them,
then this fovea, which we're gonna look at here.
0:30:16.930 --> 0:30:27.110
Droege, Sam
Is often obscured because it's really a pretty fine. Just sort of, I call them
skidmarks distinction of.
0:30:33.650 --> 0:30:33.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's.
0:30:35.470 --> 0:30:35.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's good.
0:30:28.490 --> 0:30:45.650
Droege, Sam
Patterns in the integument. So if you can't and you really are going to be
rocking this back and forth a lot to see, and this will pop out and it takes a
while, like when I was first starting out, I was like, where what are they
talking about and what am I looking for?
0:30:58.710 --> 0:30:58.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:30:46.300 --> 0:30:59.410
Droege, Sam
I think I a helpful thing is if you see a mega Kelly that's unusually small,
you should immediately start looking for these things, even if you don't have a
lot of experience with them.
0:31:0.860 --> 0:31:3.330
Droege, Sam
So you can see it's not. It's not like a.
0:31:4.300 --> 0:31:18.490
Droege, Sam
There's a huge recessed area. It's not like endrina phobia. It's not like Celia
Oxis slots on T2. It's just a little bit of a different pattern there.
0:31:21.670 --> 0:31:22.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's good.
0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:26.120
Maffei, Clare J
And.
0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:27.680
Droege, Sam
And you really are going to change change the the visuals back and forth to see
it.
0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:29.330
Droege, Sam
This is rotund data.
0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:30.440
Maffei, Clare J
Who is this on deck? Thank you.
0:31:37.770 --> 0:31:38.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:31:39.50 --> 0:31:39.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:31:30.140 --> 0:31:42.450
Droege, Sam
Yeah, rotten data. And so there's nothing here on T3. This is the most common
species where we are probably where you are too. Super disturbed sites urban.
0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:51.260
Droege, Sam
But you know it. They leak into old fields all the time too, so you can't just
use that. Here's the other one over here. You can actually see that pretty
well.
0:31:52.750 --> 0:32:0.860
Droege, Sam
At the same time, the and we'll look at this in a second concinna is or
pusilla, depending on who you're believing these days.
0:32:2.220 --> 0:32:26.750
Droege, Sam
Is the trickier one, because we'll take a look and see if we can find them.
It's often just this tiny little slot there, and I'll also bring in discover
life because we have a male Section 2 and we'll see how because this is the
this is a tricky group to split apart here and.
0:32:28.150 --> 0:32:31.80
Droege, Sam
Might see I'm better. Look, just look it up.
0:32:35.420 --> 0:32:52.470
Droege, Sam
So here we have. So now we'll look at the differences between these three. And
so we have roton data. So as Mike mentioned, and I'm sure he's in your keys
here too, T2 is the only place that has patches in Royton data.
0:32:53.490 --> 0:32:54.300
Droege, Sam
And.
0:32:54.380 --> 0:33:17.390
Droege, Sam
Umm. And these patches take up about 1/4 of the lateral distance and you know I
we spend a little time explaining what to look for for people who never looked
for those T3 no patches. And here's on T5, I think this will help separate
apicalis from this teams on hairs on T5 all light colored.
0:33:18.140 --> 0:33:20.380
Droege, Sam
And what do I?
0:33:21.90 --> 0:33:29.580
Droege, Sam
Tarsal claws. Ohh, this is something that the guy who did the revision in Europe
talks about. We can try and take a look at this so.
0:33:30.470 --> 0:34:0.30
Droege, Sam
You look at the hind tarsal claw and there's C this is like who would even look
at this like you would look at this. But you look at the CT behind the claw and
we're gonna have to look at the link. So let's let's try and track those down.
And so we'll take a look at back at Rowton data here again. So, Mike, what are
the characteristics that you use to in your key to separate out as I'm moving
this specimen around a little bit?
0:34:0.820 --> 0:34:4.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Rotten data and concinna or whatever it is. Those two, yeah.
0:34:3.370 --> 0:34:6.830
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Or any apicalis all of that, that whole group. What's?
0:34:11.340 --> 0:34:11.850
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:34:5.990 --> 0:34:15.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, well, I apicalis males have phobia, very obvious phobia on T2 and T3I
mean it's, you know and they are slow.
0:34:13.370 --> 0:34:15.970
Droege, Sam
Yeah, if you can find, yeah.
0:34:15.860 --> 0:34:21.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, the ones I have, I mean it's it's very it's to me it shows up pretty
readily and there.
0:34:20.860 --> 0:34:25.650
Droege, Sam
Right. But you don't you don't have to deal with cookies, you know, horrible
specimens, so.
0:34:26.370 --> 0:34:27.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sometimes I do.
0:34:28.900 --> 0:34:29.600
Droege, Sam
That's true.
0:34:28.270 --> 0:34:29.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm but.
0:34:31.850 --> 0:34:38.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But the real trick is, you know, real time data and concinna or whatever we're
calling it. Those two can really be.
0:34:43.980 --> 0:34:44.320
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:34:48.300 --> 0:34:50.990
Droege, Sam
Ohk. OK, so you have some genitalia differences.
0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:58.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Depending on the condition of the specimens can very difficult and that's why I
included. This is the genitalia characteristics and which I didn't. Yeah, I
didn't include those for any other negatively species. But for these two I did just
as an insurance. If you want to think about that way.
0:34:59.730 --> 0:35:1.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But the.
0:35:2.550 --> 0:35:4.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The four basic tarsal hair fringe.
0:35:5.800 --> 0:35:16.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
On on the two is slightly different, but again, if the specimens are are messed
up, are not dried, dried or something that can be very difficult to.
0:35:16.860 --> 0:35:17.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
To figure out.
0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:23.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's also something that constantly has what we call it tubercle.
0:35:24.500 --> 0:35:25.50
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:35:24.330 --> 0:35:28.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, if the kind of behind the base of the mandible on the cheek?
0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:29.290
Droege, Sam
No.
0:35:33.210 --> 0:35:33.860
Droege, Sam
Yeah, that's.
0:35:28.870 --> 0:35:38.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That is that hidden by hair, but it's there and and rotund data doesn't have
that. But it's not easy to see, but.
0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:45.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know it's it's that's one of the classic ways of separating those two, I
think.
0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:51.10
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'm not sure our European revision guy I think is it.
0:35:51.690 --> 0:36:13.200
Droege, Sam
Yeah, Sebastiani is I think he was the guy. Maybe who did this anyway, I'm
trying to. Of course. Now you're in need of really high-powered, higher powered
microscopes. We're looking at the hind tarsal clause. And. And this is not the
exact right angle, but the there's CTT behind the edge of the tarsal claw here
that he uses.
0:36:15.0 --> 0:36:15.390
Droege, Sam
It says.
0:36:16.270 --> 0:36:26.970
Droege, Sam
1st CT behind Claw, long and hair like second one similar but slightly shorter
so you can see one sticking out, but this is a terrible shot and I'm not sure.
0:36:27.890 --> 0:36:30.240
Droege, Sam
I can easily get that.
0:36:30.780 --> 0:36:38.450
Droege, Sam
Umm so and I don't want to spend too much time just trying to get a picture of
the.
0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:45.580
Droege, Sam
CT on this one, we might see it better on one of the other specimens and just
try and find out where that is.
0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:51.540
Droege, Sam
So let's flip to we'll go to apicalis.
0:36:56.120 --> 0:37:2.150
Droege, Sam
And I think we mentioned when we talked about the females, apicalis is a a.
0:37:3.210 --> 0:37:8.100
Droege, Sam
At least according to the books and where I found them too, is knapweed
specialist.
0:37:8.540 --> 0:37:9.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah.
0:37:8.770 --> 0:37:12.360
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I don't know whether it's star Thistle 2.
0:37:13.410 --> 0:37:33.760
Droege, Sam
But the common spotted nap? We need that in the east over here is everywhere.
Like any any where railroad tracks are my favorite place to look because it's
can handle the sprays that are getting laid down in these tracks, track areas.
And so it's one of the few things that seems to grow.
0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:35.60
Droege, Sam
There.
0:37:37.110 --> 0:37:40.920
Droege, Sam
I'm looking at my apicalis specimens and ohh I'm wondering if I.
0:37:43.330 --> 0:37:45.20
Droege, Sam
No, I do have a e-mail.
0:37:49.30 --> 0:37:50.80
Droege, Sam
OK so.
0:37:51.20 --> 0:37:51.550
Droege, Sam
1st.
0:37:53.860 --> 0:37:54.420
Droege, Sam
Line.
0:38:1.30 --> 0:38:1.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, exactly.
0:37:55.30 --> 0:38:3.520
Droege, Sam
Bench is going to be defined the T2 and T3 and it's a little bit bigger in
compared to service so it's not not.
0:38:3.620 --> 0:38:7.950
Droege, Sam
Umm great in itself, but you'll get.
0:38:8.730 --> 0:38:22.790
Droege, Sam
No matter almost what you do, you're gonna get a bunch of Rd time data and then
when apicalis shows up, it might be illuminating just from the size, right? So
here is the mail.
0:38:24.300 --> 0:38:30.130
Droege, Sam
And I'm trying to get in and I may have to change the lighting again so we can
see.
0:38:31.240 --> 0:38:32.190
Droege, Sam
Hopefully.
0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.510
Droege, Sam
May have to bend the wings back here a little bit.
0:38:38.380 --> 0:38:42.910
Droege, Sam
See T2T3 provia in here.
0:38:47.130 --> 0:38:49.680
Droege, Sam
We may be at a bad angle also.
0:38:50.930 --> 0:38:51.700
Droege, Sam
Yeah, let me.
0:38:53.50 --> 0:38:57.900
Droege, Sam
Me. Turn it around this way and see if that does anything for this.
0:39:13.290 --> 0:39:14.500
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:39:18.670 --> 0:39:19.220
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:39:20.70 --> 0:39:21.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, not seen much.
0:39:21.20 --> 0:39:23.900
Droege, Sam
I'm really not seeing it. I mean, it's possible that I have.
0:39:24.590 --> 0:39:29.740
Droege, Sam
Placed a they don't have debts on each of these I placed a concinna in here by.
0:39:30.740 --> 0:39:31.590
Droege, Sam
Mistake.
0:39:33.460 --> 0:39:34.950
Droege, Sam
And usually I think also.
0:39:35.490 --> 0:39:41.510
Droege, Sam
Umm. In the Discover life guides it'll I think it talks about that there's
black hairs on T5.
0:39:42.340 --> 0:39:46.410
Droege, Sam
T5 with short, slightly thickened, upright black hairs.
0:39:47.180 --> 0:39:50.770
Droege, Sam
Uh, these here's only slightly longer than on T3T4.
0:39:52.150 --> 0:40:3.670
Droege, Sam
Umm, so I'm wondering if I have what the wrong specimen in the wrong box here
and this is my only male in here so.
0:40:4.960 --> 0:40:6.200
Droege, Sam
You going to?
0:40:7.200 --> 0:40:13.990
Droege, Sam
Swap that out and maybe jump to concinna. Just taking a look under my
microscope to see if only.
0:40:20.910 --> 0:40:21.180
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:40:17.470 --> 0:40:26.750
Droege, Sam
We see that, yeah, I think this is concinnum. So I'm. I'm gonna set that aside
and make sure that I put it in the right place this time.
0:40:29.550 --> 0:40:30.460
Droege, Sam
And.
0:40:35.240 --> 0:40:37.70
Droege, Sam
Let me and sadly that's my only.
0:40:39.590 --> 0:40:46.20
Droege, Sam
Mayo apicalis. So let me go now to a pretty big box here of concinnus.
0:40:48.430 --> 0:40:50.20
Droege, Sam
And we'll take a look at that.
0:40:52.420 --> 0:40:54.370
Droege, Sam
And here the problem.
0:40:55.460 --> 0:41:0.340
Droege, Sam
My PC, seeing these relatively small patches of.
0:41:1.940 --> 0:41:4.720
Droege, Sam
The pseudo phobia.
0:41:5.580 --> 0:41:6.210
Droege, Sam
Which?
0:41:8.370 --> 0:41:10.780
Droege, Sam
In general, just really subtle.
0:41:11.750 --> 0:41:15.700
Droege, Sam
In this one, and very and much narrower, so this one.
0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.540
Droege, Sam
Appears to have, you know is.
0:41:19.650 --> 0:41:33.900
Droege, Sam
And Nice looking specimen and you can kind of see and you can see the area
well, but I think we'll also see like it's really difficult to define in this
one a fovea area.
0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:47.770
Droege, Sam
So T1T2. So in this area should be a. You know my impression when I do see
these and I do struggle sometimes with even seeing them that it's narrower.
0:41:48.870 --> 0:41:49.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I agree.
0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:49.990
Droege, Sam
And.
0:42:2.400 --> 0:42:2.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think.
0:41:51.670 --> 0:42:4.460
Droege, Sam
So it should be in this area and when I was looking under my other microscope,
I was like, maybe. But in reality, like I it's so vague. Yeah.
0:42:4.250 --> 0:42:5.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think you're looking at three.
0:42:6.930 --> 0:42:8.860
Droege, Sam
No, right up here. Ohh up here.
0:42:11.270 --> 0:42:11.650
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:42:6.760 --> 0:42:12.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
At the tea, because TT T1 is smushed up against the property.
0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.470
Droege, Sam
Let's bring that up and see if we can.
0:42:16.430 --> 0:42:18.20
Droege, Sam
See it there.
0:42:26.530 --> 0:42:27.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, pretty obscure.
0:42:28.420 --> 0:42:36.520
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'm gonna change. I can move the lights around. Let's see. So sometimes
you can see some things.
0:42:37.430 --> 0:42:43.300
Droege, Sam
You can see that area doesn't change, but I don't know if that means anything
in this particular context I.
0:42:44.650 --> 0:42:45.260
Droege, Sam
I just.
0:42:46.790 --> 0:42:50.930
Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's tough. I don't really see it. That could be it there.
0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:52.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're little shorter hairs, yeah.
0:42:51.590 --> 0:43:14.300
Droege, Sam
But that's that's sort of the sort of the characteristic you have to deal with.
And so the fact that it is hard to see should make you think of concinna. I'm a
lot of times on the rear end, it's got more. I'm gonna bring it around here.
You know, these aren't really in the keys, but I see a lot more small teeth at
the backside.
0:43:14.990 --> 0:43:20.180
Droege, Sam
Of these things, it's also a disturbed site species.
0:43:23.340 --> 0:43:27.740
Droege, Sam
So I see more of this, these kind of toothy nesses at the end of the.
0:43:29.100 --> 0:43:29.770
Droege, Sam
Abdomen.
0:43:33.710 --> 0:43:47.310
Droege, Sam
In uh, the you can see there are black bars on the sides, as many species are,
but in apicalis T5 here would have, you know, big bowl black hairs all the way
across.
0:43:48.740 --> 0:43:49.630
Droege, Sam
On that one.
0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:54.850
Droege, Sam
So let's see. What else do we have here for differentiating them?
0:43:55.830 --> 0:43:56.640
Droege, Sam
Concinna.
0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:6.290
Droege, Sam
T5 with robust long, upright dark hairs, these hairs about twice as long as on
T3 and T4 and then legs hind tarsal claw.
0:44:7.860 --> 0:44:8.940
Droege, Sam
Behind the claw.
0:44:9.730 --> 0:44:20.490
Droege, Sam
Umm, second, much shorter and stouter and more spine like, right? We could take
a look for that. But that's one of these. Really probably too much for this
particular system.
0:44:21.710 --> 0:44:25.470
Droege, Sam
What about your guide here? Mike, what are you looking at?
0:44:26.10 --> 0:44:26.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I.
0:44:26.470 --> 0:44:26.910
Droege, Sam
We.
0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'm like you. If I if I.
0:44:31.170 --> 0:44:44.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If I know it's in that one of those two and the pseudo phobia are really
obscure and I'm not even sure they're really there, then I look at the base of
the man both for that tubercle.
0:44:45.30 --> 0:44:45.320
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:44:46.330 --> 0:44:53.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And sometimes you have to take a pen, and depending on the condition of the
hairs and kind of feel your way.
0:44:54.490 --> 0:45:3.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And if you at the specimens in good condition, the hair fringe on the four base
Itarsi is different between the two, but it's subtly, you almost have to have.
0:45:4.120 --> 0:45:4.830
Droege, Sam
Imperative.
0:45:5.10 --> 0:45:6.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Both of them to compare.
0:45:8.0 --> 0:45:13.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I mean the I think people are getting the point that those two are
difficult. The males are difficult to separate and.
0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:19.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sometimes you know the genitalia if they're out, that helps the.
0:45:22.620 --> 0:45:30.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Rotunde and consent. And there's something there's pairs are present or absent
along the Gangtok sites and that's pretty obvious, but.
0:45:32.230 --> 0:45:39.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Usually mega Kylie's when they die, they don't stick out the genitalia. You
have to extract and that can be time consuming.
0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:42.350
Droege, Sam
Great, particularly if you don't do it right away.
0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:43.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
0:45:45.450 --> 0:45:46.810
Droege, Sam
Are we looking at it right there?
0:45:48.0 --> 0:45:51.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, you know, saying I'm not sure it could be. Yeah, yeah.
0:45:52.300 --> 0:45:53.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think so, yeah.
0:45:52.80 --> 0:45:56.240
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So then you know, these are specimens that get matted down on all that
kind of stuff.
0:45:55.710 --> 0:45:57.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah, OK yeah.
0:45:58.580 --> 0:45:59.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's it.
0:45:57.40 --> 0:46:11.830
Droege, Sam
Ohm, so it's possibly it's just been revealed or my only other thought is that
it's somehow, oh, you know what? No, we're I think that's the the projecting
tooth on the mandible.
0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:12.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, OK.
0:46:13.100 --> 0:46:19.870
Droege, Sam
Yeah, because here here's a other mandible 123 going off that direction, and
here's or is it?
0:46:21.470 --> 0:46:23.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, it's in the right place. It's in.
0:46:23.460 --> 0:46:24.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Here it's a.
0:46:27.260 --> 0:46:28.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's where it should.
0:46:28.770 --> 0:46:30.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's where it should be, yeah.
0:46:21.730 --> 0:46:46.900
Droege, Sam
It looks like it's it's looked like it. It looks like it's coming right off the
the maller. Yeah. And that's the mandible base, is there? Yeah. Cause here's
the clipeus here over the clipeus. As usual. There's the base. Yeah. OK. And so
in the other species, I guess we're just lucky being able to see this. Is it
just absent or lower? What?
0:46:45.890 --> 0:46:47.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's, it's, it's it's absent.
0:46:48.580 --> 0:46:49.90
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:46:48.490 --> 0:46:55.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm. And the most I think. I mean there is some roughness there, but it's not
like that. It's very different, very discreet.
0:46:53.930 --> 0:47:24.20
Droege, Sam
OK, how very cool. You know, that's a new one. New one on me. And then we added
some. So I've I've spent a bunch of time with this group that's, you know,
several periods where I just pull them all out and go through them all again
and like, OK, what am I missing here? So this is a it can be a hair pulling
group. And this is a good reason to have to keep them for a long period of time
because you might go back and find, you know.
0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:43.570
Droege, Sam
That you mix things up or you have a little bit of better reference material
and there's no shame like if you're doing surveys. And I do this all the time
where you like, I can't tell. This is either apicalis or, you know, rotund data
or whatever I'm looking at or I just put it at the sub.
0:47:43.790 --> 0:47:51.620
Droege, Sam
Umm sub genus level? Or I do a slash? You know it could be Rotunda data slash
Priscilla.
0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:53.620
Droege, Sam
And.
0:47:54.440 --> 0:48:1.160
Droege, Sam
Later, if you have a database and you have the specimens still, you can go and
update that. If you get better information.
0:48:9.510 --> 0:48:10.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think that's it.
0:48:4.670 --> 0:48:19.510
Droege, Sam
So anything more we want to do with the concinna group, so we have, OK, we have
some hair things. Well, I'm gonna do you know, because we magically were able
to get that pool.
0:48:21.630 --> 0:48:29.620
Droege, Sam
Uh projection on the mall or space? Let's see if we can see what they're
talking about on the.
0:48:31.790 --> 0:48:34.610
Droege, Sam
On the foot, on the hind tarsal claw.
0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:41.660
Droege, Sam
I'm not going to spend too much time trying to find it, but it is in the keys.
0:48:43.300 --> 0:48:48.870
Droege, Sam
Here, but the problem is of course getting good look at the right angle of the
tarsal clause.
0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:51.340
Droege, Sam
I'm going to look at that one.
0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:55.80
Droege, Sam
See if we can see well.
0:48:55.750 --> 0:49:7.200
Droege, Sam
All right, so you can see the tips of the tarsal claws. You can see that there
are CT there. I'm not gonna try and spend a bunch of time trying to find it
around, but there are some differences in there as.
0:49:8.520 --> 0:49:14.410
Droege, Sam
As well as the hairs on T5 back here.
0:49:15.610 --> 0:49:17.0
Droege, Sam
In terms of.
0:49:18.550 --> 0:49:32.670
Droege, Sam
I think this is T5 here as he 12345 you see these long black hairs. We go back
to the discover life and you be interested in seeing if you see this too, Mike.
So here we talk about.
0:49:34.250 --> 0:50:2.340
Droege, Sam
T5 with robust long, upright dark hairs, these hair is about twice as long as
the hair is on T3 and T4. These long hairs here being longer than that versus
in apicalis T5 with short dark upright, dark hairs only slightly longer than on
T3 and T4. So I was wrong because consented has dark hair, they're just long
and that seems to.
0:50:2.760 --> 0:50:11.550
Droege, Sam
Some back up what we're looking at there and I'll have to look at the specimen
that I thought was apicalis. Again, I may have just simply moved it to the
wrong.
0:50:12.350 --> 0:50:12.900
Droege, Sam
Box.
0:50:14.370 --> 0:50:19.620
Droege, Sam
Our boxes get paid through all the time. Alright. Anything more on our lovely
introduced friends.
0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:21.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think that.
0:50:22.910 --> 0:50:23.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a pretty good picture.
0:50:24.620 --> 0:50:24.850
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:50:26.470 --> 0:50:41.960
Droege, Sam
OK, so back to mikes guide here. So we just went through the three. And so
these were the ones with the suit aphobia and S2 to three with dense extensive
apical fascia.
0:50:42.750 --> 0:50:57.250
Droege, Sam
Uh, which is very similar to what we were seeing in the females, but in the
females. Of course it's underneath, it's on the rims of the sternites
underneath and bit, but still visible through the.
0:50:57.850 --> 0:50:58.440
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:29.170
Droege, Sam
Through the scopal or polling hearing hairs, and they're just small now, we get
to travel to 25 and really get into some of the fun things. So first, this
first couplet here, 27 is going to take us to two specific species that I've
have very limited experience with. So I'm gonna punch to you, Mike. And I don't
have any specimens. I don't think I'll look. But you wanna talk about?
0:51:29.790 --> 0:51:31.0
Droege, Sam
The split there.
0:51:31.430 --> 0:51:35.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there's a a large, large group of Mega Kylie.
0:51:36.0 --> 0:51:37.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In the country that.
0:51:38.790 --> 0:51:46.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That used to be called 0 Mega Kylie and they've been put into something else now,
but they have one pretty distinctive characteristic, the.
0:51:48.90 --> 0:52:1.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, uh. The the pre apical Corina on T6 in the males of this group when you
look at it in lateral view it isn't flat, it's weekly con.
0:52:2.530 --> 0:52:3.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Vax.
0:52:4.60 --> 0:52:7.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it doesn't have a notch in the medial part.
0:52:10.80 --> 0:52:18.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Versus all the others that come after it. There the free apical crying on T6 is
flattened very flat and it's also got a depressed.
0:52:18.890 --> 0:52:24.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, at the base of it, it's got a a depression, kind of like a hit, a very
distinctive.
0:52:25.690 --> 0:52:41.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So anyway, the only two species in really east in the east on these are in the
Midwest or the South. Are Dakota anxious and deflexa they're both sand
obligates as far as we know. In the Midwest, the code ensis.
0:52:42.300 --> 0:52:52.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is an upper Midwest. No records from Missouri or Southern Illinois, but once
you get around the Great Lakes, it shows up and.
0:52:58.120 --> 0:52:58.710
Droege, Sam
And rare.
0:52:54.500 --> 0:53:3.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And deflects A is more southern and to the West it's not really. Yeah. And
rare. I don't think there are any Midwestern records, but that's in the key.
Just because, well, who knows?
0:53:5.0 --> 0:53:8.240
Droege, Sam
Great. Yeah. Well, that stuff shows up. I actually all the time.
0:53:8.470 --> 0:53:9.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:53:10.730 --> 0:53:11.460
Droege, Sam
So.
0:53:10.730 --> 0:53:17.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, those those are not something you'll see, you know, east of the
Appalachians as far as we know, but.
0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:19.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Never know.
0:53:21.430 --> 0:53:23.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that everything that comes everything.
0:53:27.80 --> 0:53:28.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah, OK.
0:53:30.70 --> 0:53:30.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:53:20.890 --> 0:53:34.760
Droege, Sam
Great. Well, the flexor deflexa I think makes it up the coast here. We can find
out really quickly a little bit. So if we go to the global Mapper and we'll
type in.
0:53:35.790 --> 0:53:36.300
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:53:38.100 --> 0:53:41.370
Droege, Sam
I know it's all over Florida all over being in quotes.
0:53:48.180 --> 0:53:48.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:53:44.270 --> 0:53:56.720
Droege, Sam
And I think it a lot of these Floridian things run up the the coast a little
bit. I'm gonna get rid of John Asher's state records cause that gets confusing
because it puts it in the middle of the state.
0:53:58.580 --> 0:54:3.420
Droege, Sam
And this is how you, you know, in playing around with distributions?
0:54:4.200 --> 0:54:13.870
Droege, Sam
You should be thinking about, which is to get rid of. You could do it here.
Drop. We could just do this right now. Drop points from county and state
centroids. OK, that's just says.
0:54:14.590 --> 0:54:43.20
Droege, Sam
Here's a record. It says it's from the state we don't have anymore information,
so we're just gonna use the center of the state as a record. So John Asher
keeps track of things state by state. So we just dropped a lot of his work and
maybe there were some others. So you can see there's a, like, first of all,
this is like, nothing. There's almost no records here to begin with. I think
that one is my only record. And these are those like Wilmington, probably.
0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:50.330
Droege, Sam
Umm, you know, people like to go to to the beach or Wilmington and of course,
collect County Brunswick.
0:54:51.210 --> 0:55:1.130
Droege, Sam
Umm, what do you what else would there be to do? Yeah. Wilmington. So it does
look like it could be found in coastal plains. And that's probably.
0:55:2.550 --> 0:55:9.770
Droege, Sam
The the dunes and that one is probably a Carolina Beach.
0:55:10.610 --> 0:55:17.430
Droege, Sam
And that one might be a centroid and no one realized it, cause it sounds like a
beach to me.
0:55:18.590 --> 0:55:24.590
Droege, Sam
Not in the you know, depending on like, that's from Kansas. So who knows how
they databased it.
0:55:25.300 --> 0:55:26.970
Droege, Sam
You look like in the wrong place anyway.
0:55:27.660 --> 0:55:29.230
Droege, Sam
Sand sand dunes.
0:55:30.490 --> 0:55:32.290
Droege, Sam
Other sorts of things for both.
0:55:33.270 --> 0:55:41.480
Droege, Sam
And sadly, we don't have that. But we do have plenty of the ones we're coming
up with here. And what do we have for time, Claire?
0:55:43.300 --> 0:55:43.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Not much.
0:55:48.330 --> 0:55:48.740
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:55:57.720 --> 0:55:58.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
0:55:43.370 --> 0:56:1.320
Maffei, Clare J
We're coming up on the hour, but I'm not in a rush to end you today, but since
you open up my mic, Ellen asks just the group. If you don't see in the chat,
they don't have a copy of the European Mega Kylie revision and it looks like
Gene has shared something. So.
0:56:2.110 --> 0:56:3.220
Maffei, Clare J
Those are available to you.
0:56:4.940 --> 0:56:10.270
Droege, Sam
And I'll pull up an I'll pull up a denda, which is a good one to talk about if
we're gonna just talk about one more.
0:56:14.260 --> 0:56:16.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Then there's a large bee.
0:56:18.80 --> 0:56:19.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Late spring, early summer.
0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:30.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, primarily at legumes in the Midwest, but there's some other records from
very different plants, including cranberries, which is.
0:56:29.980 --> 0:56:32.890
Droege, Sam
Yeah, there's Jim Kane's famous cranberry article.
0:56:36.410 --> 0:56:36.700
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:56:32.740 --> 0:56:42.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's that what that was. Mind boggling that you're here. Here's AB that
I needs to thinking of as a legal specialist. And he's finding it on something
that totally is unrelated.
0:56:43.230 --> 0:56:52.880
Droege, Sam
And right and and you know, cranberries are native, but they're not very
common. And a lot of the areas that we're getting.
0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:58.250
Droege, Sam
Uh, uh records of addenda. There's not a cranberry within.
0:56:59.10 --> 0:57:0.100
Droege, Sam
100 miles.
0:57:4.670 --> 0:57:5.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, curious.
0:57:1.640 --> 0:57:6.130
Droege, Sam
So yeah, it's. But why? Why that hearing is odd.
0:57:7.650 --> 0:57:15.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's usually in in Midwest, it's in dry sights, not exclusively sand, but in
dry, rocky prairies and.
0:57:18.540 --> 0:57:19.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Just one generation here.
0:57:20.370 --> 0:57:21.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ground nester.
0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:24.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah, junkie.
0:57:21.970 --> 0:57:39.520
Droege, Sam
And they're big compared to the their look alikes are the look alikes are in
that sort of mendica texana and particular and brevis crowd, although they're
very white and sometimes brevis is tan or tan but.
0:57:41.210 --> 0:57:48.800
Droege, Sam
It's the biggest, and then it's got these sort of it's got, I often just look
right at the rear end because.
0:57:50.140 --> 0:57:54.690
Droege, Sam
There's some pretty distinct characters here, so here is this.
0:57:55.350 --> 0:57:59.120
Droege, Sam
Is this S7? Or is that T seven OK?
0:57:55.620 --> 0:58:0.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's that's T seven. That's T seven. That's the T7 spine.
0:58:2.650 --> 0:58:19.460
Droege, Sam
And we'll we'll change the perspective here because that, but you can see it
now. And actually the genitalia are coming out. So that's fine, it's super big,
super obvious. And here is the rim of T6's in here somewhere. And the flange,
as we call it.
0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:31.410
Droege, Sam
Or the projecting shelf is above here and we'll change the perspective, but you
there's almost always a very, very large, super obvious.
0:58:32.50 --> 0:58:39.990
Droege, Sam
Umm, cut out in the flange through which you can see that's fine. So let me
just see if we can change this.
0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:45.440
Droege, Sam
View so that that can be seen on screen.
0:58:58.840 --> 0:58:59.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, yes, that's good.
0:59:0.460 --> 0:59:0.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's good.
0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:12.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Really.
0:58:55.690 --> 0:59:16.110
Droege, Sam
And just find that the flange itself is just pretty distinct, so here's the
flange. So normally you just don't see this big of a dip and the flange itself
is actually quite, I'd say, enlarged compared to others. Here's that spine up.
I'll bring it into focus here.
0:59:17.730 --> 0:59:26.340
Droege, Sam
That there's some hairs around it, but it's it's almost always really pretty
straightforward to see through.
0:59:27.20 --> 0:59:28.50
Droege, Sam
The slot.
0:59:29.510 --> 0:59:34.490
Droege, Sam
And in that that pretty much I you know I think that pretty much nails what
that species is.
0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:35.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah, I agree.
0:59:36.820 --> 0:59:37.520
Droege, Sam
So.
0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:38.890
Droege, Sam
Even.
0:59:37.740 --> 0:59:38.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And how common do you find it?
0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:45.570
Droege, Sam
Well, I'm I find it in. I'm sorry, I just missed this up.
0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:52.320
Droege, Sam
I tend to find it in dry areas. I would call it so it can be in sand.
0:59:57.170 --> 0:59:57.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:59:58.240 --> 0:59:58.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
1:0:2.70 --> 1:0:2.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Mm-hmm.
0:59:53.500 --> 1:0:10.640
Droege, Sam
But it also can be in like super Rocky, Western Maryland things and usually
pretty good sites, you know, not you're like oh, I find it in the middle of DC
kind of thing with the others often can show up. And so I would say.
1:0:12.520 --> 1:0:25.330
Droege, Sam
Regular would be how I would call it. It's never abundant, but every once in a
while and some of these sans sites I'll get a big string of them. So that's
sort of my ammo, but it's pretty uncommon.
1:0:28.70 --> 1:0:32.390
Droege, Sam
Let's see what else. There's a what are I mean, the?
1:0:31.920 --> 1:0:35.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The there, but that's a patch of bristles on the front Cox.
1:0:35.610 --> 1:0:37.370
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah, right. And.
1:0:36.420 --> 1:0:41.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're short and they're not easy to see, really, but they're the lots of
them. They're just very, very short and dense.
1:0:42.430 --> 1:1:6.320
Droege, Sam
I'll also point out I don't know if it doesn't show up in the mails as much as
the females that they there's a quite a topography, I guess not as much. The
topography of the tergites is, you know, like there's a a pretty strong Ridge
and a a. There's more relief in across the segment than in most lots of
species, but I guess that's.
1:1:6.940 --> 1:1:9.510
Droege, Sam
Pretty subtle, but let's find the CT.
1:1:15.770 --> 1:1:26.100
Droege, Sam
And so the front, like the others, many of the most, maybe all the others in
this group, they they don't really have very expanded front base Itarsi.
1:1:26.630 --> 1:1:27.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Not. Not at all, yeah.
1:1:29.50 --> 1:1:35.30
Droege, Sam
There is a little bit of shape differences which we talk about, but yeah, it's
pretty subtle.
1:1:36.30 --> 1:1:37.660
Droege, Sam
So we're trying to.
1:1:38.460 --> 1:1:40.440
Droege, Sam
And we have the usual problem of.
1:1:41.640 --> 1:1:49.750
Droege, Sam
Kind of find our way into the legs between the legs here on the specimen.
1:1:52.600 --> 1:1:53.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's not.
1:1:54.160 --> 1:1:54.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
1:1:51.440 --> 1:1:55.820
Droege, Sam
I can see the you can see the spine, but we're trying to see below.
1:1:56.500 --> 1:2:1.950
Droege, Sam
And I don't know if we can see. You can see the other spine well, I think.
1:2:2.680 --> 1:2:6.690
Droege, Sam
If we, that's the other spine, so that should be the Cox are there.
1:2:7.350 --> 1:2:15.140
Droege, Sam
We don't know if we're gonna be without a spending again. A lot of time here.
Super successful.
1:2:16.470 --> 1:2:18.580
Droege, Sam
Can you say there's just one spine in there, right?
1:2:19.580 --> 1:2:20.330
Droege, Sam
One cheating.
1:2:21.170 --> 1:2:22.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But no, there's a patch.
1:2:22.580 --> 1:2:23.550
Droege, Sam
A patch, OK.
1:2:23.490 --> 1:2:23.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
1:2:24.460 --> 1:2:24.850
Droege, Sam
Visit.
1:2:25.740 --> 1:2:26.100
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
1:2:26.450 --> 1:2:28.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But they're they're short.
1:2:26.850 --> 1:2:29.120
Droege, Sam
And then how does that differ from the others?
1:2:30.610 --> 1:2:32.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, it's shortened dense.
1:2:41.280 --> 1:2:41.560
Droege, Sam
You know.
1:2:33.520 --> 1:2:41.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. I mean it's, I mean it's there's some others that are similar, but in
terms of the species that follow from this point in the key on, it's pretty
distinctive.
1:2:43.290 --> 1:2:44.940
Droege, Sam
Wait, I'm going to.
1:2:46.520 --> 1:2:50.870
Droege, Sam
I'm just going to try one more species since we're pretty much out of time and
just see.
1:2:54.120 --> 1:2:54.560
Droege, Sam
What?
1:2:50.130 --> 1:2:55.510
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, I was gonna say you're getting kind of in the weeds and we are at 2:05.
So like.
1:2:55.690 --> 1:2:59.800
Droege, Sam
Isn't the whole thing in the weeds, you know, really, really glare.
1:2:59.310 --> 1:3:1.520
Maffei, Clare J
OK, you have a point there.
1:3:2.570 --> 1:3:6.570
Droege, Sam
All right, but yeah, well, we could ask if there's any questions and I'll just.
1:3:7.810 --> 1:3:12.440
Droege, Sam
Pull another specimen or two and see if I can. Well, anyone, if anyone's
talking.
1:3:15.800 --> 1:3:19.230
Droege, Sam
Find the multi. This looks promising.
1:3:24.670 --> 1:3:25.680
Droege, Sam
All right, well.
1:3:26.780 --> 1:3:30.850
Droege, Sam
Maybe we can't quite see them, but there's certainly the shot we wanna see.
1:3:42.680 --> 1:3:46.470
Droege, Sam
And I'm not seeing the CT there.
1:3:49.550 --> 1:3:49.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
1:3:49.300 --> 1:3:53.620
Droege, Sam
Unless it's just, you know, dark like this could be the CT right there.
1:3:53.740 --> 1:4:2.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think it is. It's just it's dark and again they are very short and fine. You
almost have to see it in the lateral oblique, bleak view.
1:4:3.70 --> 1:4:3.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Difficult.
1:4:1.690 --> 1:4:8.830
Droege, Sam
Which is gonna be almost impossible. Let me just. I'm gonna pump up the light
on it a lot to.
1:4:9.530 --> 1:4:13.480
Droege, Sam
See if we can we maybe just looking straight down on a.
1:4:15.320 --> 1:4:16.850
Droege, Sam
Fine, fine.
1:4:22.260 --> 1:4:22.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
1:4:23.940 --> 1:4:24.980
Droege, Sam
Right. OK.
1:4:30.180 --> 1:4:35.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Maybe I'll move to Bristol thing. And the key to the last part of the
key, since they're that aren't that hard to see.
1:4:34.80 --> 1:4:39.620
Droege, Sam
Yeah, well, yeah. And again, that might be the area right there. It's hard to
see.
1:4:42.760 --> 1:4:44.310
Droege, Sam
OK, alright, we'll stop.
1:4:45.730 --> 1:4:47.130
Droege, Sam
Are there any questions?
1:4:50.140 --> 1:4:51.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Thanks for your patience everyone.
1:4:52.270 --> 1:4:52.910
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
1:4:53.940 --> 1:4:55.750
Maffei, Clare J
No, that was the. There's no one.
1:4:54.100 --> 1:4:58.430
Droege, Sam
Hellacious. Oh. Oh, never. Never mind. That was a female.
1:5:2.630 --> 1:5:7.280
Droege, Sam
There we go. I'm not gonna look anymore. I just grabbed it like, oh, there's
one. But it was a few minutes.
1:5:8.780 --> 1:5:9.70
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:5:10.180 --> 1:5:10.640
Droege, Sam
Umm.
1:5:9.940 --> 1:5:11.260
Maffei, Clare J
We can look for it next time.
1:5:15.630 --> 1:5:16.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
1:5:21.690 --> 1:5:22.880
Maffei, Clare J
Yay.
1:5:11.700 --> 1:5:34.130
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Next time we get into all those all the the mendica and brevis and texana
are sort of the killer, the killer group, but. And we'll look at petulance,
which is I think, pretty straightforward. There's probably several more in there
and talk about sub species and species of brevis.
1:5:35.590 --> 1:5:37.870
Droege, Sam
I think there's a lot going on in that group.
1:5:39.80 --> 1:5:39.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I agree.
1:5:39.170 --> 1:5:39.730
Droege, Sam
Alright.
1:5:41.60 --> 1:5:42.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK. Thank you, Claire. Appreciate it.
1:5:42.670 --> 1:5:43.730
Maffei, Clare J
Thank you everyone.
1:5:43.160 --> 1:5:44.890
Droege, Sam
Mayor, thank you very much.
1:5:46.330 --> 1:5:46.630
Droege, Sam
All right.
1:5:46.250 --> 1:5:46.860
Maffei, Clare J
Hi.
1:5:47.320 --> 1:5:47.810
Droege, Sam
See you.