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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It sounds like we have a second second opinion.
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victor demasi (Guest)
Sorry.
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victor demasi (Guest)
You like dogs?
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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victor demasi (Guest)
Well, he's very he's young.
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victor demasi (Guest)
So he's very.
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Droege, Sam
I.
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Droege, Sam
You guys just jump right in. I'm gonna stop us at 1:50 so that we have 10
minutes to breathe before you people don't. OK, Mike, maybe just repeat what
you just said about. You've got an updated file for mails and Claire can send
it out and you're still working on you, you say?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right. So the this is a continuation of the mail mega Kylie key for the you
know Eastern part of the North America and the one you had. But we had last
week you can get rid of that one. This one has includes more species includes
all of them up until.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Relatives on Tokyo layers enormous. Those are species that don't have four
coxal spines. All those that do have four coxal spines are now in the key.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's most of.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the few more to go, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Good job, Mike.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's fun.
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Droege, Sam
Are.
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Droege, Sam
Right. Come out. So I didn't get any feedback from anybody, but that's not a
surprise that either Mike or myself that hadn't. Don't me as comments about
keys because I I still feel like there's like 3 in the world that just like to
write keys. And anyway. So I've started putting mikes.
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Beiriger,Robert L
Hello.
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Droege, Sam
Questions up into Discover life guides, and I'll keep people appraised of that
and we've got a fellow who's been in the lab, went off to grad school, came
back looking for some part time work named Francis Mullen. Is it Mullen?
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Beiriger,Robert L
No, I only only keys.
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Droege, Sam
And anyway, Francis will be in in his task will be to continue that. Are you
there on are you online, Francis?
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Beiriger,Robert L
He's like my truck keys and other.
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Droege, Sam
No.
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Beiriger,Robert L
Housekeeping. Old house key, things like that.
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Droege, Sam
OK, looks like is it Robert, Robert Behringer maybe needs to mute.
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Droege, Sam
OK, alright. So we're back anyway, that's that's gonna be the latest. So and
then we'll continue into other people's keys and couplets and add them into
discover life tools for a more robust set of choices.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Good.
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Droege, Sam
All right, so we're, I'm going to share the screen.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah.
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Droege, Sam
We do have to trim a little bit early today because we have a bunch of
congressional staffers stopping by to check us out, and we don't wanna blow
them off at two. OK, So what am I doing here? There we go. Click that to be a
presenter. OK. Do you see the guide online? Mikes guide.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Not yet.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Now I do.
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Droege, Sam
OK. OK. That was actually the egg apartment, which I'm working on to update
now. Here we are a couple at 13 and his guide this would be still available in
the last one. If you do wanna follow on in the one that was sent previously,
you haven't gotten a new one, but you will.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.
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Droege, Sam
How is she sending it right now? But it's the same word. Probably not gonna get
beyond this first section. So what we're tackling is this first major couplet
split here. And Mike, do you wanna talk about it? And I'll set up all my
preena. As we mentioned before, our have been shipped away but and in Geneva is
incredibly rare. But we'll talk about that. But I will bring in a frigid up.
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Droege, Sam
While you're talking.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right. So couple it 13.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
This.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Brakes.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, right. Bringing species into two groups, those that have 4 teeth and those
that have 3 teeth.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And also those if you can't see the teeth, which is often the case.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But you'll you'll be likely to see the four coxa, and that's another
distinction.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Therefore, cocksure either has a patch of large or small.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pairs or it has one or two or three very.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Stout bristles that aren't a patch at all, but show up as as distinct bristles.
So that's a very clear distinction. And if you can't, again if can't see the
mandibles, you're very likely to be able to see the four coxy. And that's
pretty obvious difference. See, there are patch of a bunch of hairs, or just a
couple of bristles that shows up pretty distinctively.
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Droege, Sam
Mike, you have or underlined with long white hairs only. So are you saying that
some don't have CT at all?
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Droege, Sam
Our one one maybe.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
All right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Parallel, parallel and and Townsend. Diana don't
have patches, but they got a lot of hair.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's sort of a couple others. Yeah. Good point. I didn't see anything. Can't
read my own stuff.
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Droege, Sam
And yeah, you might mention the apical fascia or the hairs on the upper side of
the.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
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Droege, Sam
Tergites because it's quite different and you know these are are reflected in
different way and discover life too.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's another thing in in these two groups. One, the the first part of
the couplet, the group with the 14th on the manuals also has reduced apical
fascia.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's not because it's warm, it's because that's just the way it is. It's it
shows up only partially on lateral parts and sometimes.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, kind of obscurely so versus the other group with which has.
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Droege, Sam
Yep.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Three mandible teeth and the bristles. That fascia is totally complete across
the whole margins up to two T3 and T4 at least. And that's that's very distinct
difference.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So we'll see some of this, but particularly in that Jimmy alum, you said
a melon aphia group. It's just as if they don't have any fascia and they just
have.
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Droege, Sam
Ohm light and dark hair is almost like a bumblebee, but not quite as dense.
They're so again, super different from.
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Droege, Sam
The kinds of things we see elsewhere in.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, in the.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, I'm going to flip to. OK, so let's back up. So the first couple it
here. First two couplets, the pruinosa which we've mentioned a couple of times.
This is basically a coastal dune species with in Florida it moving into I think
interior dunes, very unusual defined but pretty easy to ID.
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Droege, Sam
And in January, that's one that is this.
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Droege, Sam
This is one that I don't think I've ever collected it and is this the one
that's this is the one supposed to be a bean slash P?
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Droege, Sam
Stroppa styles specialist, right?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Those are. That's what all the records you know from this part of the country,
I'll have all come from. Yeah, some kind of a legume.
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Droege, Sam
And probably sand.
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Droege, Sam
No.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, the the ones in the Ozarks are in dry, rocky.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Grasslands.
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Droege, Sam
OK. But with the with the beans and the peas, the well beans and beans, yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, see, and that's a I mean that's something that I think gets edited out in
disturbed habitats a lot. So but I think would be probably pretty easy to edit
back in like those beans and peas once they establish in an area they really
can kind of take over. But I think that you know some of our management
activities has really reduced the amount of being impeached and particularly
when you have recovering from say.
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Droege, Sam
Agriculture and whatnot. It's something that people I think have neglected to
think about a whole lot in terms of contribution that we should be adding in.
And again, I don't think that's that difficult to cause. Once they established,
they seem to.
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Droege, Sam
Umm to keep going?
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Droege, Sam
Yummy thoughts.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, yeah, the the records of in janua from this part of the country are all
in what you and I would call natural habitats that are.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, see see, it managed fire occasionally, but that our our very.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, otherwise undisturbed and have a lot of leggings as well as other things,
but I don't. I'm not aware of any ingenuous specimens that have been found in
places that you and I would call disturbed.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's good.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm just arguing that adding a bean P mix into some of our our
our pollinator.
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Droege, Sam
Umm patches I I've never heard of anyone doing that, but there's several peace
specialists to crusa and things that I think would benefit and I don't think it
would be that hard.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, you know, in the Midwest, leggings are always almost always incorporated
into into our. Yeah, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Oh, they are, but isn't it that that's like Partridge P and things like that
rather than please.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, that's no one more fun. Dalia and perennial leggings.
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Droege, Sam
OK Ohh but not divinely ones.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, you're right, not divinely ones.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, anyway.
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Droege, Sam
We should, we should move on. So do you want have anything to say? I mean,
these are both rare. Unless you're in the right place at the right time.
Species. But do you wanna say anything about their ID in terms of highlighting
something?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know the pretty distinctive.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm both of them and and very very unlike each other. So I think I don't think
they'd be much.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
How much of a challenge if you find them?
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But they I think most in most most states consider these, you know, species of
concern or should they're just not. They're not easy to find at all.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
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Droege, Sam
Right. But they, you know, you wouldn't randomly look for them either if you
were interested as people, I think more and more will get more sophisticated
about this. Like if you want perlina, you have to go to super deep sand and you
may only be looking on coastal areas, possibly interior deep interior dune
systems in the east. And then ingenua. It's all about peace, you know, certain
kind, the strophic stylise. And what is it? Galactica and stuff like that and.
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Droege, Sam
And then at the same time, you're gonna find other rare bees looking at that,
both those systems, both of those the P system and the SAN system, would yield
things that you're not gonna find by just going around, you know, a state and
randomly surveying.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right, right.
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Droege, Sam
So, and I think from this conservation distribution status point of view, we
need more of that.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.
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Droege, Sam
All right, frigida. I've got that under the scope. Let me bring this up. Pretty
distinctive thing. I've seen it in the middle of downtown.
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Droege, Sam
New York City it's not down here, but it was like that was right. I think we
mentioned maybe mentioned this before and the urban restorations spot.
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Droege, Sam
Fair on what's your experience with Frigidaire? Just in northern northern
thing?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally, yeah, totally. Northern Michigan, northern Wisconsin.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I never see it down here in the, you know, in the Midwest proper.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
This alpha Lamborn, is this information stating level institutions and
particularly identifying characteristics available anywhere.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, let me not. There's not a like a publication. The the Jared has and would
have both have the trophy styles stuff in his.
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Droege, Sam
Both published and online.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, Web documents on specialist species, but the characters?
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Droege, Sam
You know, not like we're talking. I think you'd have. You'd dig in the keys and
you'll pull that out. It would be nice.
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Droege, Sam
Amidst a bunch of other things that probably both Mike and I have on our list
to have more shortcuts for ideating these things, but that's sort of the idea
of the Discover life keys is to add keep adding in more and more information,
but there's no real.
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Droege, Sam
You know the last guide to eastern Bees was Mitchell, and the only one.
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Droege, Sam
In the right at the turn of the 50s and the 60s.
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Droege, Sam
And what has changed?
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Droege, Sam
So.
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Droege, Sam
It would be nice. I mean someone should start that.
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Droege, Sam
All right, I hope that answered something there.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, so we're looking at the I'll back off here, but there's mail frigida
and as Mike points out in the key super numerous bristles like unbelievable to
covering a good chunk of that four Cox or the front ***** and then a massive
spike. And is this, I don't really notice this very much on other species, but
I may not be. I often don't get to see them as well. Do you have anything?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there, there are minute differences on the spines themselves. As far as
little tiny hairs, little mini patches, things that are you just are easy to
overlook. But there are those are a lot of those are species seem to be species
specific.
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Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:14:12.560 --> 0:14:12.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Dumb.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So again, a lot of times you have a pile of unknowns and you can use a
feature that may not necessarily be in the guy, and that's how both I'm sure
Mike and myself start parsing like something something is different here
looking for things that differ. Usually I my rule is too, like I've got a
character like this and another character that's that splits it from another
species and it's consistent.
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Droege, Sam
Rather than one thing which could be a sport, right or.
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Droege, Sam
Ohm dirtiness.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, and then then try to, you know, get some names on it.
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Droege, Sam
So you know, particularly if you're working in an area where you know you're
out of out of your bounds, like in a different country or for me out West even
is like I start splitting them into morphospecies. Then I start looking for
consistent sets of characters to define the division of two different groups.
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Droege, Sam
All right, so oops. I'm on make a postman.
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Droege, Sam
Alright frigida so got the gigantino patch of of.
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Droege, Sam
Reddish CT, so we didn't really get to see that last time very well, but there
you saw it in spades and many other cases. Hopefully we'll be able to see them.
It's really just one CT or a couple, it might be bigger than that, but there's
a lot of differences in these Seattle patches.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's another thing about frigid too, though the front.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Oh. Oh, that's dark. Yeah. Let me pull that up. That's very cool one. And
that's I is that distinct? So that species. OK.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It is it in terms of, yeah, in terms of the group in terms of Jimmy along Melanoma
and you said a frigid is the only one that has.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Creamer.
0:16:18.60 --> 0:16:18.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK. Yeah, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Like and, but they can be tricky to find just because it's on the inside of the
tibia and a lot of times and a lot of specimens, femur and a lot of times
that's folded in or over, and you have to like I did on this one. I just you
just unfold it, sometimes breaking it.
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Droege, Sam
And I think we saw this last time, I think I have to change the lighting, drop
the lighting down a little bit.
0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:45.630
Droege, Sam
Yeah, you can kind of see it already, but let me let me lower the light. Ohh,
I'm not even not full stage here.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:51.650
Droege, Sam
Where?
0:16:52.490 --> 0:16:56.430
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And I think this is lower there we go.
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Droege, Sam
So let me I'll just do it full screen.
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Droege, Sam
You know regular polling.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's the interior face of the front fever that you're looking at with the.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There are two more or less dark brown stripes.
0:17:14.930 --> 0:17:18.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That begin at the trochanter and then kinda go.
0:17:17.730 --> 0:17:18.450
Droege, Sam
Why is?
0:17:19.730 --> 0:17:22.480
Droege, Sam
Right, I'm trying to do full screen.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, that's I think that shows up. OK, see.
0:17:30.670 --> 0:17:35.970
Droege, Sam
Yeah, it shows up OK, for some reason I must be at some weird combination of.
0:17:36.940 --> 0:17:38.190
Droege, Sam
When we control Alt tab.
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Droege, Sam
No.
0:17:44.900 --> 0:17:45.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Droege, Sam
My e-mail so alt shift. Yeah, there we go. So I have to press 4 characters. So
it's a little bit of shine here.
0:17:49.20 --> 0:17:54.480
Droege, Sam
So let me see if I can change. Maybe one of this reflectance pattern.
0:17:55.120 --> 0:17:59.330
Droege, Sam
But those big stripes is what we're looking for. There we go. That's a little
bit better.
0:17:59.80 --> 0:18:0.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, that's good.
0:18:0.190 --> 0:18:6.820
Droege, Sam
So here and here really distinct, but again usually the tibias folded right
over that.
0:18:7.720 --> 0:18:38.890
Droege, Sam
Umm. And you? It's on the inside, not the outside, so the outside is off and
the part that's visible. So. But you know that's what a pair of tweezers are
for is to open that up. And if you break it off, you just put it on the label.
And I, you know, I think when you're dealing with large collections of, you
know, specimens, it's not too bad to do that when you have to get in and look
at these Coxwell things, as long as you keep the segment somewhere else, you
know, it's for science. It's for.
0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:43.850
Droege, Sam
Identification purposes and sometimes you really do need to get into these
spots.
0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I agree.
0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:54.780
Droege, Sam
And sometimes it just hangs on. You know, it just you bend it, but it, you
know, I'd say 80% of the cases it's still fine, but.
0:18:55.120 --> 0:18:59.740
Droege, Sam
No. Every once in a while like this one, it just breaks off this. You know,
this is a huge.
0:19:2.250 --> 0:19:2.630
Droege, Sam
Things.
0:19:3.840 --> 0:19:5.550
Droege, Sam
OK so.
0:19:7.300 --> 0:19:7.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. So.
0:19:6.960 --> 0:19:9.110
Droege, Sam
The wonderful frigida go ahead.
0:19:9.420 --> 0:19:13.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. So the remaining three species to genealogy, Melanonychia and lucida.
0:19:14.860 --> 0:19:25.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They they have some patches of brush bristles on the four cops and left.
They're much more reduced and not so conspicuous as in frigida. And then the
front.
0:19:25.970 --> 0:19:26.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Face.
0:19:27.730 --> 0:19:32.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Interface of the four femurs all just yellow or yellowish orange.
0:19:33.80 --> 0:19:35.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So they stand out from Frigidaire.
0:19:36.210 --> 0:19:42.210
Droege, Sam
And I often, you know, can spot them. We'll, we'll take a look at this and let
me just pick it up over here.
0:19:43.530 --> 0:19:49.360
Droege, Sam
I often spot them because of the abdomen hair patterns.
0:19:51.330 --> 0:19:53.900
Droege, Sam
Which will take a look after while you get used to.
0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.120
Droege, Sam
Uh, in the Bible, it's OK.
0:19:58.890 --> 0:20:2.180
Droege, Sam
Always. Maybe it's the other side isn't a female.
0:20:4.60 --> 0:20:20.710
Droege, Sam
I thought I had. I thought it was you said a little. There's nothing to fear. I
just wanted to show I had a good one showing the patch very easily. Let me
just. I'm gonna try and start with the one that Mike was talking about to
contrast it with the.
0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:22.310
Droege, Sam
Other.
0:20:23.190 --> 0:20:29.980
Droege, Sam
The patch of CTE on the 4th out, so that's the other one. And you can see it in
here.
0:20:31.450 --> 0:20:39.180
Droege, Sam
There's in this sexy in some ways illuminating cause. Here's the rest of the so
if we look at this a little bit closer, perhaps.
0:20:40.850 --> 0:20:48.750
Droege, Sam
We can see a big chunk of, so the spine is coming up. It's not as tall. Here's
that patch that I noted.
0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:55.880
Droege, Sam
Online the other one, but you can see this. The spine is not this long and
slender. This patch is.
0:20:56.710 --> 0:21:7.90
Droege, Sam
If this is the remaining, I'll try and get a better view. The remaining part of
the four Cox this, there's a lot of CT here, but it's not consuming as much
space as the other one.
0:21:9.450 --> 0:21:10.170
Droege, Sam
Let me.
0:21:12.90 --> 0:21:13.490
Droege, Sam
And well, I mean just.
0:21:17.910 --> 0:21:22.740
Droege, Sam
Umm, this is right now is known aphia. I'm just because it had.
0:21:25.70 --> 0:21:28.300
Droege, Sam
I knew that there the this patch was visible.
0:21:30.40 --> 0:21:32.110
Droege, Sam
So, Mike, you wanna talk about the?
0:21:32.530 --> 0:21:44.890
Droege, Sam
Umm, the patterns on the the front leg, tibia, and basin tarsal segments
between what it now and Ophelia and Muscida and general as a split.
0:21:45.420 --> 0:21:50.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that they had a glance. Those three species look alike. If you're just
kind of.
0:22:4.190 --> 0:22:4.570
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:21:51.570 --> 0:22:6.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Passing over them. But Jamila the four tarsi are more of a dark brownish with a
little bit of pale yellow, but they're not bright yellow like what you're
seeing here. So Genella has and genuine.
0:22:7.370 --> 0:22:11.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
At least very common in a lot of parts of the Midwest. It's not so northern as
melanonychia.
0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:26.570
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:22:12.580 --> 0:22:28.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But anyway, Jamila has a more reduced color to the four base Itarsi and the
size of the tarsi are reduced as as well. So that's a very, very distinct
distinction between general and the rest of them.
0:22:32.110 --> 0:22:32.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, good.
0:22:28.930 --> 0:22:38.50
Droege, Sam
And well, I've got. I've got Jamila specimens to show too. But you're looking
at this one here. So here is this, this big white glob.
0:22:39.170 --> 0:22:39.550
Droege, Sam
Of.
0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:47.470
Droege, Sam
A you know of the basic tarsi and other segments? Oh, wait. Wonder if it has a
black dot on the other side, but.
0:22:48.630 --> 0:22:49.280
Droege, Sam
And.
0:22:50.900 --> 0:23:1.250
Droege, Sam
Additionally, what's flipped to the backside so you can get a look at this sort
of more of a like soffera and?
0:23:2.50 --> 0:23:4.400
Droege, Sam
Bumblebee like hair pattern.
0:23:5.260 --> 0:23:6.890
Droege, Sam
Then a.
0:23:7.660 --> 0:23:33.600
Droege, Sam
Mega Kylie the the other kinds of Navy Valley, so this and these, these hair
patterns are a little bit different on each in terms of their extent and
whatnot. But basically you have this like where the where is the fascia, maybe
there's some over here, but basically they present as long haired again that's
unusual with he one and T2 often having a lot of life hairs and then the
remaining a lot of dark hairs.
0:23:36.980 --> 0:23:41.850
Droege, Sam
And I don't know, do you mention that in your guide, Mike?
0:23:54.110 --> 0:23:54.670
Droege, Sam
Ohh.
0:23:57.890 --> 0:23:58.520
Droege, Sam
Oh really?
0:23:41.580 --> 0:24:3.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't think so. And there's the reason I didn't is with Melon alpha there.
Historically, there have been a number of subspecies described based on their
patterns, and so I have melanonychia that don't look like melanonychia. And so
that yeah, from from the Western Canada and.
0:24:3.370 --> 0:24:11.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
North Upper Northern North Dakota. They don't know. They don't all look the
same. And I think Mitchell had I wanna say.
0:24:14.30 --> 0:24:14.510
Droege, Sam
Hello.
0:24:15.430 --> 0:24:15.800
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:24:19.470 --> 0:24:19.820
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:23.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Like 3 different subspecies based on hair pattern. So it's a variable variable
species in terms of the abdominal hair patterns now maybe not in any given
site, but I'm saying, you know, throughout eastern North America.
0:24:27.390 --> 0:24:28.20
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:24:24.980 --> 0:24:29.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In the metal mafia doesn't always look exactly the same.
0:24:29.390 --> 0:24:32.780
Droege, Sam
And they go they go very far north, too, when the places.
0:24:31.660 --> 0:24:33.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, way up there. Yeah, yeah.
0:24:34.30 --> 0:24:41.390
Droege, Sam
It also makes you suspicious that maybe the Western thing I would have think
Corey would have looked at them. They're a little molecules to look for
differences but.
0:24:41.350 --> 0:24:46.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I forget what how those guys handled that species. I can't remember now,
but that's a good point.
0:24:46.790 --> 0:24:47.30
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:24:59.510 --> 0:24:59.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:24:48.650 --> 0:25:1.940
Droege, Sam
So so we also saw that that these four coxal spines, triangular and so short, I
would presume, I don't look at the four coxal splines very much.
0:25:2.710 --> 0:25:19.70
Droege, Sam
Uh. In discover life. We spent a a fair amount of time looking at, but I can't
recall what it is right now and I don't know that we necessarily have to go
there, but looking at the patterns of T6 and T7.
0:25:20.970 --> 0:25:25.160
Droege, Sam
I mean specimens and they have different.
0:25:25.870 --> 0:25:26.940
Droege, Sam
Architectures.
0:25:27.50 --> 0:25:27.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:25:28.90 --> 0:25:32.480
Droege, Sam
Umm, in terms of they got got a quite a bit of.
0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:41.790
Droege, Sam
T7 often has a spike like aspect to it. I'm not sure we're gonna see it very
well on this specimen.
0:25:43.780 --> 0:25:48.890
Droege, Sam
But uh. And then they're often are some really large.
0:25:50.210 --> 0:25:56.170
Droege, Sam
So this I believe is the flange on T6, so we need to flip this over a little
bit more.
0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:58.50
Droege, Sam
There's often.
0:25:58.810 --> 0:26:3.440
Droege, Sam
Really, really large teeth on and again I can't remember the species involved.
0:26:4.270 --> 0:26:8.110
Droege, Sam
On the true rim of 2/6.
0:26:10.370 --> 0:26:14.70
Droege, Sam
That was that's illuminated and discover life guides, but.
0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:18.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The melon melon Nokia has has two projections from T6.
0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:36.790
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So again, like some of these thing, it's a good consistent character, but
often difficult to see as you can see here when we're trying to separate out
here and I believe this might be T 7 here and this is the true rim.
0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:44.170
Droege, Sam
Through there, and this is the projection, so it's, but, but none of that is
very clear with this one, so.
0:26:45.430 --> 0:26:50.80
Droege, Sam
Mikey has a good set of characters. I don't require you to peer at that.
0:26:51.60 --> 0:26:51.940
Droege, Sam
Very much, but.
0:26:53.740 --> 0:26:58.60
Droege, Sam
As a I'm trying to get the labels back on here.
0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:2.350
Droege, Sam
As something that might be useful for.
0:27:3.70 --> 0:27:10.160
Droege, Sam
Identification. That's another aspect that you might have and a lot of times
you want options, particularly when you're dealing with specimens that.
0:27:10.890 --> 0:27:24.410
Droege, Sam
You have collected but are not collecting in. Let's call it a very museum. Any
way, you know you process them, you wash them, you pin them and their in a
variety of poses.
0:27:25.510 --> 0:27:29.40
Droege, Sam
Which may or may not reveal some of these characters.
0:27:30.460 --> 0:27:32.690
Droege, Sam
Museum people. And I'm gonna say, Mike.
0:27:34.650 --> 0:27:44.130
Droege, Sam
Is it more on that edge? You know, they've actually prepare their specimens
really well. And so a lot of these characters are super visible because they
spread things and whatnot.
0:27:45.60 --> 0:27:50.730
Droege, Sam
All right, let's let's switch now. I'll bring up a muscida, which would be the
other.
0:28:3.50 --> 0:28:3.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that.
0:27:51.740 --> 0:28:4.550
Droege, Sam
Large or base of tarsal and tarsal segments that are yellow specimen. And then
we'll try to discriminate it. So that's gonna manage smelling Afia.
0:28:8.510 --> 0:28:8.780
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:10.760
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
0:28:11.540 --> 0:28:11.860
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:28:5.230 --> 0:28:13.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And Muscida is really scarce in the Midwest, we hardly ever see hardly ever see
it. It's here, but only a handful of specimens that I know of.
0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:22.690
Droege, Sam
Yeah, we see it. I don't have many specimens here, but it's I I can look it up,
but it's pretty regular.
0:28:24.80 --> 0:28:28.110
Droege, Sam
And so I'm like production here production, we have both.
0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:33.890
Droege, Sam
And I think of it as in the dryer.
0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:36.120
Droege, Sam
End of the spectrum.
0:28:37.80 --> 0:28:38.430
Droege, Sam
So. Umm.
0:28:39.230 --> 0:28:42.170
Droege, Sam
Let's go to your key. So I'm not sure.
0:28:42.860 --> 0:28:52.620
Droege, Sam
How you're splitting them here. So here the two, the two large yellow expanded
front leg ones and.
0:28:52.700 --> 0:28:57.770
Droege, Sam
And ohh here we get into 28 kumars. So with a pair of.
0:28:58.460 --> 0:29:28.610
Droege, Sam
So the true rim of T6 in the middle with a pair of blunt projections, these
twice as long as broad for coxal splines are triangular. So we're looking at
them again. That's the mill and aphia we just we're looking at and then on
USADA, you have the T6 without any projections and the four Council splines narrow,
not triangulating. So let me go try to find a.
0:29:28.700 --> 0:29:31.260
Droege, Sam
Four thoughts or spines?
0:29:32.110 --> 0:29:33.680
Droege, Sam
Please have.
0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:35.390
Droege, Sam
There.
0:29:37.350 --> 0:29:39.980
Droege, Sam
Legs still on with their massive.
0:29:43.910 --> 0:29:47.260
Droege, Sam
Massive expanded section, so it may be.
0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:50.940
Droege, Sam
Tricky to see in there, but let's see what we can do.
0:29:52.180 --> 0:29:59.30
Droege, Sam
This is what you're doing. You're peering around with the microscope at
different angles and see if you can see inside some of these areas.
0:29:59.970 --> 0:30:0.770
Droege, Sam
And so.
0:30:1.510 --> 0:30:10.860
Droege, Sam
Here's the legs here is, and these mandibles are that shape you can see, for
example, in often the.
0:30:11.90 --> 0:30:24.200
Droege, Sam
Ohh, the teeth much better than this sort of boldest. Swollen look is also
something that I consider. This is the labrum sticking out below it, remember.
0:30:24.930 --> 0:30:28.140
Droege, Sam
Maybe Kylie have these strap light ones and then in there?
0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.510
Droege, Sam
On is theoretically.
0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:38.120
Droege, Sam
What we're looking for and you know, if we can see it.
0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:45.210
Droege, Sam
Really. Well, it's probably in those years, so I'm not sure. Let's see if we
can see.
0:30:46.490 --> 0:30:47.550
Droege, Sam
At the other end.
0:30:48.450 --> 0:30:49.580
Droege, Sam
On the.
0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:52.130
Droege, Sam
No.
0:30:53.670 --> 0:30:57.340
Droege, Sam
Umm by turning it over and looking at.
0:30:58.350 --> 0:31:9.110
Droege, Sam
The underside see we can see the true rim of T6 in the look for what's
essentially the absence of triangular things.
0:31:9.790 --> 0:31:30.400
Droege, Sam
So recall, I don't know if we've looked at them yet, but we will spend more and
more time on the little triangles that line the rim. I think we talked about
this in a generic way. Maybe we looked at brevis or something, but it's really
useful character sometime to look for the small spurs.
0:31:32.370 --> 0:31:38.940
Droege, Sam
And it's a pain and it takes a while to sort of get the idea of where they are
and how to find them.
0:31:40.170 --> 0:31:46.10
Droege, Sam
In there. Alright, so we're looking at the underside. He wants SD one there.
0:31:46.830 --> 0:31:50.20
Droege, Sam
And a lot of complexity back here.
0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.330
Droege, Sam
And OK, bump up the lighting.
0:31:54.730 --> 0:31:55.600
Droege, Sam
And.
0:31:56.330 --> 0:31:57.220
Droege, Sam
See if we can.
0:31:58.180 --> 0:32:2.700
Droege, Sam
Doing them right? Yeah. So we'll go to back to 200.
0:32:4.60 --> 0:32:4.520
Droege, Sam
That's better.
0:32:6.20 --> 0:32:6.740
Droege, Sam
And.
0:32:9.40 --> 0:32:10.350
Droege, Sam
Not that back down.
0:32:11.900 --> 0:32:13.70
Droege, Sam
I'm not sure.
0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.510
Droege, Sam
And see what's going on.
0:32:19.740 --> 0:32:22.330
Droege, Sam
You're very everything's dark.
0:32:24.430 --> 0:32:27.140
Droege, Sam
So I'm going to try a little bit here, but.
0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.130
Droege, Sam
It's such a tough character to.
0:32:32.370 --> 0:32:33.900
Droege, Sam
It was great for folks.
0:32:36.750 --> 0:32:37.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Good, good getting there.
0:32:39.190 --> 0:32:39.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, you're getting.
0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:40.550
Droege, Sam
Might be a little bit better, particularly in the dark presence. OK. Yeah,
yeah, actually.
0:32:41.230 --> 0:32:41.710
Droege, Sam
So.
0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:42.720
Droege, Sam
Here.
0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:52.0
Droege, Sam
Where is T5T6? This is the projecting plate flange if you will. It has a
gigantic.
0:32:52.700 --> 0:32:59.100
Droege, Sam
Umm. Cut out of it and the true rim is down through here. Let me zoom in a
little bit.
0:33:2.60 --> 0:33:4.290
Droege, Sam
And what was it? Musta that has.
0:33:5.300 --> 0:33:13.560
Droege, Sam
What in terms of it, so here's the projection rim and then the true rim here,
which looks like it has teeth on it, and it's supposed to have teeth.
0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:15.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Mild alpha does.
0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.920
Droege, Sam
OK, maybe I have. What do I have?
0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:22.630
Droege, Sam
Theoretically I have Musetta here.
0:33:25.740 --> 0:33:28.300
Droege, Sam
And or maybe I'm not looking in the right place.
0:33:30.260 --> 0:33:32.190
Droege, Sam
Let's go back.
0:33:33.300 --> 0:33:37.700
Droege, Sam
Yeah, we're at pretty high magnification. Ohh, maybe I'm ohh.
0:33:38.590 --> 0:33:42.540
Droege, Sam
Uh, so I think is this the projecting rim and that's T 7.
0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:44.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think so, I think so.
0:33:43.830 --> 0:33:51.30
Droege, Sam
OK, so the teeth that we're really seeing are just part of the flange, the
projecting flange.
0:33:52.10 --> 0:33:52.800
Droege, Sam
Not.
0:33:53.190 --> 0:33:53.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:33:53.540 --> 0:34:2.30
Droege, Sam
Not the tree. Rip the trim I is hidden. I think in this picture. So this I'm
gonna say is probably T 7.
0:34:3.70 --> 0:34:3.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Makes sense?
0:34:3.920 --> 0:34:15.490
Droege, Sam
Which has a in this group seems to bump out and has some slightly different
shapes to to it, and I think it is fair like we use that as part of the
identification stream, but wait a minute, wait a minute.
0:34:16.590 --> 0:34:19.960
Droege, Sam
So here this looks like they've projection.
0:34:20.750 --> 0:34:27.70
Droege, Sam
Projecting plate, we have the wrong the wrong specimen here. So yeah, this has
to be the flange, right Mike?
0:34:28.340 --> 0:34:31.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think so, yeah.
0:34:30.530 --> 0:34:33.720
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And then this this must be.
0:34:35.10 --> 0:34:36.480
Droege, Sam
The next rim.
0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:43.230
Droege, Sam
Below it, which looks like it has teeth on either side of it. Let's.
0:34:45.0 --> 0:34:50.190
Droege, Sam
Well, we'll take a look here in a second. What's this jump to discover life and
see what they say too, but.
0:34:51.430 --> 0:34:53.730
Droege, Sam
So without projections.
0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.280
Droege, Sam
And we didn't see the others.
0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:57.540
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:34:58.390 --> 0:35:7.720
Droege, Sam
Immediately, but I don't know. I mean, that's at the very edge of this cleft
here. So hang on a SEC. I'm just gonna open up and think there was.
0:35:9.170 --> 0:35:9.960
Droege, Sam
Some.
0:35:11.730 --> 0:35:14.40
Droege, Sam
Pictures here. Maybe Kylie males.
0:35:15.350 --> 0:35:16.130
Droege, Sam
Gonna wake up.
0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.530
Droege, Sam
Little bit slow Internet going on here.
0:35:30.670 --> 0:35:34.880
Droege, Sam
Then I don't wanna be phone. I have the trailing off. Where is this from?
0:35:36.40 --> 0:35:43.110
Droege, Sam
Maryland, so we we don't have any million of FIA records and it's a Worcester
County, which is our.
0:35:44.50 --> 0:35:49.220
Droege, Sam
Far Eastern Shore, Southern one, so it would make most sense that it would be
muscida.
0:35:49.900 --> 0:35:50.900
Droege, Sam
All right, so.
0:35:51.990 --> 0:35:54.350
Droege, Sam
OK, we want to.
0:35:55.420 --> 0:35:57.310
Droege, Sam
Go to your menu.
0:35:58.570 --> 0:35:59.190
Droege, Sam
As.
0:36:0.110 --> 0:36:5.70
Droege, Sam
And we want to go to the characters with Lucida in it.
0:36:8.150 --> 0:36:10.10
Droege, Sam
Not a few aversive and you said, uh.
0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:12.950
Droege, Sam
Oh well, that should be OK.
0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:37.780
Droege, Sam
So here's here are the the really points that Mike is talking about and muscida
let's see if I can get that to show up a little bit bigger like that. And then
here is the. So this is known to FIA. Sorry, did I say new to them and this is
new soda and I think I think that's what we were seeing and it's just lower.
0:36:45.810 --> 0:36:48.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Oh yeah, I think so, yeah.
0:36:39.60 --> 0:36:52.330
Droege, Sam
Are more triangular and not this **** life. So does that make sense to you,
Mike? So I think we're OK. So, yeah, just differences in describing those
things. So there are.
0:36:53.630 --> 0:36:57.840
Droege, Sam
We're seeing here the same thing we're seeing here.
0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:9.270
Droege, Sam
OK, so here's this huge cut out on the true rim this time verse, and then just
to reorient, because this is always confusing.
0:37:10.250 --> 0:37:13.800
Droege, Sam
Here is the flange for so.
0:37:14.450 --> 0:37:33.510
Droege, Sam
This is the rim of T5. Here's a start of the body, the basal area of T6. Here's
the flange right there with a big cut out. As usual for most of these things.
And now we can see a much more prominent than in lots of other species groups.
0:37:34.860 --> 0:37:49.10
Droege, Sam
Rim of T6 that has this humongous cut out and these I think are just being
emphasized a little more in this picture than you would if you move this
around. So these aren't.
0:37:59.820 --> 0:38:0.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:37:49.680 --> 0:38:5.510
Droege, Sam
What you would see in Melanie, which of these horn like things projecting out
but more like dull triangles because of a force at the edge that turn here from
the cleft to the rest of the body.
0:38:6.240 --> 0:38:14.310
Droege, Sam
He is going to create a triangle, so this is the same. So I think, alright, I'm
convinced that we're looking at these it up and.
0:38:13.820 --> 0:38:15.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah, I think so yeah.
0:38:15.380 --> 0:38:19.520
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So, but you can see how this is like.
0:38:20.470 --> 0:38:29.270
Droege, Sam
The problem with identifications like you have to always be second guessing
yourself like Oh my God. Is that really what I'm is that really a triangle or
not or?
0:38:30.930 --> 0:38:37.30
Droege, Sam
Anyway, so there we go. What else do we say here? Somebody prominent sub medial
teeth with prominent.
0:38:37.670 --> 0:38:51.260
Droege, Sam
While prominent are triangular with share point and clearly not parallel sided
in horn like like that apical end of front tibia with a small and short but
clearly visible point it's fine. It merges from one side of the outer edge.
0:38:52.830 --> 0:39:8.0
Droege, Sam
Umm, we can try and find that and this one says apply to the front to be with a
prominent strongly projecting wide, very thin plates that emerges from one side
of the outer edge and curves back on itself. Looks a bit like a bent tip of a
table knife.
0:39:10.270 --> 0:39:14.960
Droege, Sam
All right, I'm gonna. Let's find that I don't know that I look at that very
often.
0:39:26.910 --> 0:39:27.180
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
0:39:21.810 --> 0:39:27.480
Droege, Sam
So a plan of front to be a small and short but clearly visible pointed spine.
0:39:28.650 --> 0:39:29.710
Droege, Sam
The outer edge.
0:39:35.190 --> 0:39:36.400
Droege, Sam
Are you from there with this 1M?
0:39:37.150 --> 0:39:38.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, it's not ringing a bell.
0:39:40.580 --> 0:39:47.300
Droege, Sam
Well, it's actually not ring a bell from the either because I think I my ID
string ends with looking at the.
0:39:49.30 --> 0:39:49.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:39:47.990 --> 0:39:50.920
Droege, Sam
We are in. Alright bye.
0:39:53.450 --> 0:39:54.580
Droege, Sam
Umm so.
0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:58.860
Droege, Sam
Here is I think the.
0:40:4.280 --> 0:40:4.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:39:59.900 --> 0:40:6.230
Droege, Sam
Late in question, that should be the tibia people end, and let's see if I can
get this in focus.
0:40:8.450 --> 0:40:11.490
Droege, Sam
You may actually be able to see something here so.
0:40:13.30 --> 0:40:25.120
Droege, Sam
I wonder if it's that let's see what we say here again. Typical end of front
tibia with a small and short but clearly visible, pointed spine that emerges
from one side of the outer edge.
0:40:27.630 --> 0:40:29.180
Droege, Sam
That would be the outer edge, so I'm.
0:40:30.50 --> 0:40:31.390
Droege, Sam
I'm guessing it's that.
0:40:33.60 --> 0:40:34.800
Droege, Sam
And it's small and pointed.
0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.860
Droege, Sam
You know, if I got this from a coin or someone else.
0:40:40.970 --> 0:40:43.510
Droege, Sam
Although not sure he covered music up.
0:40:48.140 --> 0:40:50.20
Droege, Sam
And oops.
0:40:51.460 --> 0:40:58.350
Droege, Sam
And then the other, the alternative which will go take a quick look back on
knowing a sea.
0:41:0.950 --> 0:41:3.260
Droege, Sam
See if you can see that all little bit better.
0:41:5.720 --> 0:41:14.600
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I think it's. I think it's that right there, short, small spine. Let's
see if we can find a counterpart that is more bent tip of a table.
0:41:16.240 --> 0:41:17.100
Droege, Sam
My flight.
0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:25.350
Droege, Sam
And then the time keeper is saying congressional people coming.
0:41:26.150 --> 0:41:26.640
Droege, Sam
Morning.
0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:30.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, maybe. Maybe we ought to go.
0:41:29.290 --> 0:41:30.970
Droege, Sam
Alright, alright so.
0:41:32.420 --> 0:41:34.600
Droege, Sam
And wouldn't they be interested in this topic?
0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:40.300
Droege, Sam
Right, so I've gotten all of your back in the blocks.
0:41:44.540 --> 0:41:47.200
Droege, Sam
It's really amazing and how much there is a talked about.
0:41:48.0 --> 0:41:50.820
Droege, Sam
And even just at the identification level for these things.
0:41:52.60 --> 0:41:52.500
Droege, Sam
All right.
0:41:54.260 --> 0:41:56.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, this would be a good stopping point, you know.
0:41:56.860 --> 0:41:57.210
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:41:58.760 --> 0:41:59.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Thank you.
0:41:58.140 --> 0:42:4.30
Droege, Sam
Yep. We didn't really talk about Jemila. Maybe if Claire will let me, I'll just
toss it on.
0:42:5.380 --> 0:42:15.760
Droege, Sam
Umm. As OK, interesting. I'm gonna this is so this is it right there. You can
see it does look more plate like and bent over.
0:42:22.540 --> 0:42:22.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alright.
0:42:16.430 --> 0:42:32.510
Droege, Sam
So something they'll look at, I'd be interested if you take a look at that.
Might have what you're seeing or is that what we were seeing? You know, we
might have been seeing this, but we should have turned it a little bit more to
see that. But let me turn the light down and.
0:42:33.850 --> 0:42:35.120
Droege, Sam
Make sure that we are.
0:42:38.110 --> 0:42:39.140
Droege, Sam
Another 5 minutes OK.
0:42:40.290 --> 0:42:41.240
Droege, Sam
All right, got it.
0:42:42.150 --> 0:42:42.780
Droege, Sam
Where is.
0:42:43.610 --> 0:42:44.760
Droege, Sam
Painting a reprieve.
0:42:49.610 --> 0:42:50.340
Droege, Sam
And then maybe.
0:43:1.390 --> 0:43:3.400
Droege, Sam
So it looks like this.
0:43:4.380 --> 0:43:14.410
Droege, Sam
Is the feature I'm gonna go back to the other one and and rotate it cause I
think we might have seen bat which is looks like it does look like another.
0:43:15.450 --> 0:43:16.980
Droege, Sam
Spine like thing.
0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.890
Droege, Sam
From there, and this is just a spur, really.
0:43:25.970 --> 0:43:26.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think I.
0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:27.400
Droege, Sam
Umm, you know what we would normally call one of the tibial spurs, right, Mike.
Or is it? Yeah.
0:43:28.500 --> 0:43:31.190
Droege, Sam
Quite quite not quite different.
0:43:33.310 --> 0:43:36.260
Droege, Sam
OK, so let's jump back.
0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:37.590
Droege, Sam
To.
0:43:39.830 --> 0:43:42.830
Droege, Sam
Can you say that again and shift that picture?
0:43:43.770 --> 0:43:45.360
Droege, Sam
To make sure I don't lose my.
0:43:46.700 --> 0:43:47.830
Droege, Sam
It's on these things.
0:43:56.710 --> 0:43:57.940
Droege, Sam
And this is the.
0:44:5.160 --> 0:44:7.630
Droege, Sam
And I'm going to tip it over more.
0:44:9.220 --> 0:44:10.110
Droege, Sam
In a different work.
0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:14.630
Droege, Sam
I have an alert on my screen.
0:44:15.570 --> 0:44:17.580
Droege, Sam
Yeah, congressional people are coming.
0:44:20.460 --> 0:44:21.0
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:44:27.580 --> 0:44:28.930
Droege, Sam
Right where?
0:44:30.570 --> 0:44:32.290
Droege, Sam
Might have turned it too far.
0:44:33.660 --> 0:44:34.70
Droege, Sam
Well.
0:44:35.130 --> 0:44:35.620
Droege, Sam
So.
0:44:39.940 --> 0:44:44.60
Droege, Sam
Years. Yeah, I think I need to go back and spend it a little bit more.
0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:47.630
Droege, Sam
Make it visible.
0:44:53.660 --> 0:44:54.170
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:45:6.10 --> 0:45:10.210
Droege, Sam
Right. So we had a slightly different view on this Musetta before.
0:45:11.30 --> 0:45:11.320
Droege, Sam
Oops.
0:45:14.70 --> 0:45:16.690
Droege, Sam
When to negotiate this a little bit?
0:45:21.430 --> 0:45:22.480
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So.
0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:33.920
Droege, Sam
Years. I don't even know what to call these things. This is some stub, perhaps,
that we're in both right and then this is the little triangular thing. Quite
different from the other.
0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:39.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, what?
0:45:36.180 --> 0:45:40.270
Droege, Sam
We find to see if you see similar things when you go through your specimens on
that.
0:45:40.720 --> 0:45:41.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, I'll look.
0:45:42.110 --> 0:45:45.410
Droege, Sam
OK, alright. So we'll just toss Jamila in here.
0:45:47.300 --> 0:45:51.900
Droege, Sam
To show you that it does not have the big brown.
0:45:54.990 --> 0:45:56.400
Droege, Sam
Have the big yellow.
0:45:59.10 --> 0:46:0.120
Droege, Sam
Partial segments.
0:46:6.260 --> 0:46:6.850
Droege, Sam
Yeah, cool.
0:46:18.300 --> 0:46:20.170
Droege, Sam
Genuine. You think so?
0:46:21.380 --> 0:46:25.810
Droege, Sam
But it does sometimes have like at the base. I think of the.
0:46:26.540 --> 0:46:29.130
Droege, Sam
Partial segments, sometimes some yellowish.
0:46:30.860 --> 0:46:31.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:46:29.870 --> 0:46:36.530
Droege, Sam
Areas that's, you know a little bit. So it's not it's it's very different in
when you have direct comparison.
0:46:38.530 --> 0:46:40.310
Droege, Sam
Now let me get the label off.
0:46:42.430 --> 0:46:45.200
Droege, Sam
Three different and direct comparison, but it's not.
0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:48.730
Droege, Sam
There is a little bit of yellow often in there.
0:46:51.50 --> 0:46:52.530
Droege, Sam
Boys at the qualify everything.
0:46:55.190 --> 0:46:58.100
Droege, Sam
All right. So yeah, so super different.
0:46:58.940 --> 0:47:0.880
Droege, Sam
Unless that's the only specimen you have.
0:47:1.850 --> 0:47:20.250
Droege, Sam
And then you have to like. Ohh well maybe. And you could see this width is
approximately the width of the tibia and we'll have to check out what kind of
spirit has. And there are some yellowish aspects here you can see on the opposite
side you'll aspects pretty as you progress away from the base of tarsal
segment.
0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:21.240
Droege, Sam
But.
0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:23.710
Droege, Sam
Just have to make that clear.
0:47:25.110 --> 0:47:31.900
Droege, Sam
And we're talking now. We're investigate the mysterious outer tibial spur.
0:47:33.110 --> 0:47:38.420
Droege, Sam
Situation in I think I've got a pin a little bit in the way.
0:47:42.230 --> 0:47:42.520
Droege, Sam
Oops.
0:47:44.380 --> 0:47:45.810
Droege, Sam
Do I have the the meeting?
0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:47.980
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:52.250
Droege, Sam
Yeah, you're right, I did before.
0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:53.920
Droege, Sam
Thank you, Claire.
0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.160
Droege, Sam
Right, so there.
0:47:59.540 --> 0:48:1.390
Droege, Sam
We have the.
0:48:3.930 --> 0:48:8.340
Droege, Sam
Well, remember that we're seemingly too. I only see one here.
0:48:10.780 --> 0:48:14.200
Droege, Sam
And but it's pretty big and just pointy.
0:48:15.30 --> 0:48:15.500
Droege, Sam
So.
0:48:17.170 --> 0:48:21.350
Droege, Sam
Sort of like the milling athea situation. Now I'm gonna have spin it.
0:48:23.890 --> 0:48:24.110
Droege, Sam
Sure.
0:48:24.990 --> 0:48:33.100
Droege, Sam
Maybe having a hard time imagining that it'll it will be any less than five
years to get through all the eastern North American species that our rate but.
0:48:33.970 --> 0:48:34.580
Droege, Sam
That's OK.
0:48:35.910 --> 0:48:39.60
Droege, Sam
And look up. Yeah. Got time. What the hell?
0:48:41.290 --> 0:48:42.350
Droege, Sam
It's good because.
0:48:44.30 --> 0:48:46.270
Droege, Sam
I at least I'm learning a lot at the same time.
0:48:49.720 --> 0:48:50.510
Droege, Sam
Still.
0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.330
Droege, Sam
Maybe some youthful taxonomist.
0:48:56.350 --> 0:48:59.680
Droege, Sam
Will find these videos in the future.
0:49:0.430 --> 0:49:1.40
Droege, Sam
And.
0:49:1.780 --> 0:49:9.950
Droege, Sam
Say those guys were just totally messed up, but I'm now going to do all the correct
revisions. OK, I'm gonna lighten this up.
0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:14.610
Droege, Sam
What's going on in the?
0:49:21.310 --> 0:49:21.740
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:49:24.420 --> 0:49:24.750
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:29.300
Droege, Sam
We we are basic Tarsis to the right.
0:49:31.870 --> 0:49:33.40
Droege, Sam
Yeah, and.
0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:51.130
Droege, Sam
We were looking more straight down before so here was what we were looking at,
which may or may not have been. If there are two like in the others, there was
pretty clearly a short stubby thing like maybe that and maybe this down here.
0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:53.370
Droege, Sam
Is possibly.
0:49:55.50 --> 0:49:59.430
Droege, Sam
The other spur. I'm gonna rotate it one more time and then we'll really be
done, Claire.
0:50:5.710 --> 0:50:6.700
Droege, Sam
Yeah, well.
0:50:7.750 --> 0:50:10.0
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And I don't think it's absolutely clear either.
0:50:12.630 --> 0:50:14.620
Droege, Sam
So bring it down.
0:50:19.670 --> 0:50:20.360
Droege, Sam
New year.
0:50:22.230 --> 0:50:24.340
Droege, Sam
Yes, the tibia.
0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:29.770
Droege, Sam
Being the Tarsis dark lighter segments, we're gonna go into there.
0:50:31.30 --> 0:50:32.30
Droege, Sam
And find.
0:50:32.930 --> 0:50:34.150
Droege, Sam
And missing spur.
0:50:34.890 --> 0:50:35.620
Droege, Sam
Super exciting.
0:50:42.10 --> 0:50:42.530
Droege, Sam
You guys.
0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:45.330
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:50:46.450 --> 0:50:55.90
Droege, Sam
This I think we're looking straight down on that. The small spur that we saw in
all the three positions now.
0:50:56.960 --> 0:51:6.530
Droege, Sam
And there's possibly something in there and I think we're running out of time
to really differentiate and we can both look at specimens, try and figure out
this.
0:51:7.700 --> 0:51:10.60
Droege, Sam
Spur thing. It's possible that it's that.
0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:15.650
Droege, Sam
But Umm, if it is, it's pretty small and very short compared to the other two.
0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:18.10
Droege, Sam
All right.
0:51:20.270 --> 0:51:21.870
Droege, Sam
Are there questions?
0:51:22.970 --> 0:51:28.560
Droege, Sam
Have we stimulated people that create large collections so that they could look
at the Spurs?
0:51:30.90 --> 0:51:32.920
Droege, Sam
Want that Jingle jangle Jingle on.
0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:35.320
Droege, Sam
There mega Kylie meals.
0:51:38.980 --> 0:51:42.720
Droege, Sam
Mostly no. Nothing tracked anything. Yeah.
0:51:44.150 --> 0:52:5.170
Droege, Sam
Great. I'll mention just briefly that Claire and I have a new annex building.
It's could be, I don't know, it's almost twice the size of this building. It's
an old chick raising building, but it's gonna be set up to have collections in
it. And one of the things that we're thinking about, we're not ready would be
to take specimens.
0:52:5.960 --> 0:52:13.230
Droege, Sam
That people are finished with, you know, from my grad school project or
whatever and have them there so that we can.
0:52:13.790 --> 0:52:31.820
Droege, Sam
Uh put some into accession as specimens that would be vouchers, if you will,
for certain areas and then redistribute, you know, swap and send things around
to other folks who are just starting out and need to build up their
collections.
0:52:32.730 --> 0:52:36.640
Droege, Sam
Without necessarily spending years collecting that at the moment.
0:52:37.900 --> 0:52:38.710
Droege, Sam
So anyway.
0:52:39.570 --> 0:52:40.470
Droege, Sam
Keep that thought.
0:52:41.500 --> 0:52:47.220
Droege, Sam
N double ACP. Theoretically, the buildings ready in October. I don't really
believe that, but it might be.
0:52:48.430 --> 0:52:51.560
Droege, Sam
I'll get the congressional people to come out and help build it. Yeah.
0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:53.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:56.390
Droege, Sam
Yeah, unlikely.
0:52:57.330 --> 0:52:58.820
Droege, Sam
Alright. Do we have any questions?
0:52:59.490 --> 0:53:0.690
Droege, Sam
Well, OK.
0:53:9.70 --> 0:53:15.360
Droege, Sam
Mike, do you have any last things you're gonna try and wrap up the Meg. Meg.
Meg mail.
0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:16.690
Droege, Sam
Mean.
0:53:20.620 --> 0:53:21.30
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:53:16.530 --> 0:53:22.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, yeah, yeah, I I'm not sure if I'll be here next Wednesday or not. Just not
quite really know yet.
0:53:23.590 --> 0:53:23.880
Droege, Sam
Got it.
0:53:25.690 --> 0:53:26.230
Droege, Sam
Alright.
0:53:27.350 --> 0:53:27.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:53:27.230 --> 0:53:35.260
Droege, Sam
Always appreciative of your. Now you're now part of part of the standard set of
people you're no longer a guest.
0:53:40.810 --> 0:53:41.90
Droege, Sam
Thank you.
0:53:40.140 --> 0:53:42.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, good luck with the Congress people.
0:53:44.830 --> 0:53:45.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
0:53:43.270 --> 0:53:52.580
Droege, Sam
OK. What Mike? I'm so Claire, who's not on speaker. She wants to know if if she
gets questions, whether she can give people your e-mail.
0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:53.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
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Droege, Sam
Great.
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Droege, Sam
Very good.