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Maffei, Clare J
I don't believe I have any announcements.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sure.
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Droege, Sam
OK. So Mike, we'll talk about your mail guide in one second, but I'll just announce
that Mike and I are sort of joining forces in a way so rather so Mike will
continue unless he says something else, developing dichotomous keys, which is a
really again a valuable way to do identifications and provides what you want,
which is more than one Ave to the answer, discover life and then and then I.
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Droege, Sam
I'm just realized like why? Why can't we just use include mics?
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Droege, Sam
Umm couplets and make put them into discover life formatting and just put them
right into the guide. So now you'll have more choices so you guys got sent out
the first three that we worked on and basically it's just a pretty
straightforward rewording of what Mike has.
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Droege, Sam
And you'll see the document and it will see Mike's original wording is in
black, and my proposed discover life level wording in blue and I and the e-mail
explains some of that. So if you have any comments, let us know.
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Droege, Sam
It and otherwise we're going to just proceed to start putting them into the
guides. Then we'll put out another announcement probably to both to you guys
and to the be monitoring listserv to let people know what we're doing and see
if there's more feedback.
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Droege, Sam
Just a note, as always, we can go in and Mike can too. If you see something
that's outright wrong or just like hard to understand, we're both happy to
modify our, you know our guides and that we're constantly tweaking them. So I'm
gonna turn it over to Mike.
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Droege, Sam
Comments on that and then comments on what we just sent out in terms of the
mail, the mail guy for Mega Kylie.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there are few. A few of those.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But my other keys I have that.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Like entity Yellen that's consider Borealis and Notatum, it's two separate
species.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then then Diane, Jillian, Curvatum and simulate as one in the same.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that's not really formally published I guess, but I think you and I agree
on that. I think Sam and the data is pretty strong. It's just not formally out
there.
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Droege, Sam
Yep.
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Droege, Sam
And then so your meal guide is that you sent out is partially done.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right. It's half done, half typed in. Put it that way and the groups that are
included right now and it are all those that have four Coxwell spines and
modified.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
For basitar.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's about half of them in the in the in the east and then.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I know, I know.
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Droege, Sam
That's way, way more than we can cover anyway today. So, but so it's a good
start and you guys have copies and you know, give Mike feedback and.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I will, I will say one thing about I'm almost all of those keys that I've
done. The Florida fauna is not well represented. So there are certain things in
Florida that aren't anywhere else or maybe they are. We just don't know it yet,
but some.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Like like Kylie Alameda, I think that's not in my, you know, they're so most
of.
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Droege, Sam
Integra rella maybe.
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Droege, Sam
You know.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Right. Right, right. So, most of the eastern fauna is, but not every
single one of.
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Droege, Sam
But see, that's the kind of in some ways it's it's nice like in the discover
life. You don't. They don't all have to be in there to. We're mostly dealing
with sets of couplets and they don't have to be completely scored for
everything in order for us to keep.
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Droege, Sam
Adding information to the identification guide. So I think we're in good shape
and I wish I'd really had started this earlier and after we kind of get through
Mike's information, we'll start looking at additional guides, you know,
published ones and if any of you have suggestions on what would be nice to
include within discover life as additional couplets, again, redundancy is fine.
Like that's the thing. You can choose what you use and in fact.
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Droege, Sam
You can try multiple avenues and see if you come up. You're essentially
recreating guides. See if you come up with the same answer and then you always
have the option of using a straight dichotomous key with Mike's. But like today
you'll see Mike's approaches are actually quite different from the ones on the
Discover life keys. You know he's using a lot of.
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Droege, Sam
Of characters on the the legs, which we largely are not in large ways. So
that's.
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Droege, Sam
That's what makes it all very fun.
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Droege, Sam
So yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Mega, mega. Kylie males in particular are so have such a diverse
morphology. That's that's hard. What to pick. I mean some of those mails are
just so fantastically morphologically equipped that it's.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's almost confusing. First look at one because you don't know.
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Droege, Sam
Right.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Where to look? There's so much stuff everywhere.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
So I'm gonna share the screen here and then we'll go to Mike's guide and then
we are going to mostly use Mic's guide today and we will illustrate. I'll pull
up illustrations sort of as usual on the microscope. So, Mike, why do you just
step through the first couplet? I think we've covered this before, but you
know, it's always good to have your take on things.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, they the males of a large number of mega Kylie have on the anterior face
of the four coxa or the Pearl coxa.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Some sort of spine or projection or triangle at varies, but it's usually quite
conspicuous, so you know if the legs are folded up against the Cox or.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sure. Yeah.
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Maffei, Clare J
Hey, Sam, I'm sorry. Mike, you have a little notification open in the bottom
right of your screen.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh from who is that person?
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Maffei, Clare J
I know. Weird.
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Droege, Sam
Let's see if I can get rid of it. Oh my gosh. I'm gonna delete it.
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Droege, Sam
It doesn't want to it. You may be stuck, Claire on the screen. Let me go.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, I was wondering like just transition to another screen and then pop back
in.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah. Sorry. Ready. You can delete it. There we go.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, usually. Usually those disappear. These little pop-ups here, but dismiss.
Ohh yeah. There we go. OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
Sorry, Mike.
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Droege, Sam
Right now we're back. And here's here's the spine. Might just talking about.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's alright. No problem in a few species there's a lot of hair on the front
coxa and some in a couple of those, like parallela and one or two others. So
there's enough hair that if you're not looking carefully, you might miss those
spines. But the vast majority of they're quite distinctive, quite obvious. That's
hard to miss.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, and here's just an example with someone else's specimen that I have
labeled Alba Tarsus. So hopefully it is.
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Droege, Sam
We'll find out.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so going back to Mike's guide, so that takes us to where we're going today.
The all these have spines, the ones that don't have spines I believe are all
the resin, mega Kylie with no cutting teeth, right, Mike?
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Droege, Sam
And there are some additional ones. OK.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And spend some others and in addition. Yeah. Yeah, like relative and santoku
layers and ermis those males don't they don't, they don't have spines.
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Droege, Sam
Alright.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the second couplet, #2. This is a little doesn't sound tricky, but it kind
of is.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's some like Kylie males that have apical spur and single apical spur and
some that don't, but almost all of them in almost all of them the spur is pale.
It's not that old thing sticking out and it could be kind of nestled in some
tree that pubescents so you're not looking carefully and depending on how the
legs are positioned you can think a specimen doesn't have metaphorical.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
A spur on the mid tibia.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So you need, that's just need to look carefully for that.
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Droege, Sam
Alright so.
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Droege, Sam
Here is Alba, Tarsus and.
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Droege, Sam
So we were looking at the four coxa spurs here and I'm this is this is the is
this the mid coxal area that I'm looking at here?
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Great. OK, let's get this oriented a little bit differently.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
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Droege, Sam
So theoretically this is one that should not. Again, I'm.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, all the Tarsis males don't have an A mid tibial spur.
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Droege, Sam
So here here is the the middle leg coming in and this should be the.
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Droege, Sam
The coxa here. Do I have that right?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think.
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Droege, Sam
No. Yeah. And there's nothing going on there. So we'll swap this out now and
we'll return to this case. We're gonna talk about avatars this, and we'll all
get a one of the others that does have.
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Droege, Sam
You know the bolt that does this is a new character for me because I've never
used this before with a. A does have that. So we're going to six and we have
quite a selection here. And let me just pull one.
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Droege, Sam
Probably uphold January.
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Droege, Sam
So, Mike, are you finding these things basically by just looking at gobs of
these specimens or?
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Droege, Sam
Gives Mitchell Mitchell mentioning this.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, it's a little bit of both. I mean, yeah, Mitch. Yeah. Yeah, that's the
four the the mid tibial spurs are something that have always been used with
make it Kylie.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's just a way of breaking.
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Droege, Sam
Groups.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, one group out from another, yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I almost didn't use it because.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
They can be tricky to see sometimes, but I.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, I put it in there to see what happens.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it's a it's a traditional.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Morphological character in in male mega Kylie.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, so let's get oriented here. So we have a gem EULA.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Droege, Sam
We're looking sort of straight down. This is here's the front leg. There's one
of the spurs on the.
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Droege, Sam
Front Cox.
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Droege, Sam
Now our goal is to hone in. I think this is the.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, mid let me you know. Let's back out here for a second and just Orient.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. We want to look at the apex of the mid tibia.
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Droege, Sam
OK. And we may have to.
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Droege, Sam
Disarticulate this a little bit.
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Droege, Sam
Says like going on here underneath.
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Droege, Sam
Umm so this OK, so here is a leg, but this is the four leg.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
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Droege, Sam
And it should be going down to.
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Droege, Sam
Here and there should be a spur. That's not the spur that I was incorrect about
that.
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Droege, Sam
Umm and.
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Droege, Sam
I'm for whatever reason I don't really see.
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Droege, Sam
A spurs on here. This may be a bad specimen.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, that's.
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Droege, Sam
Great.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I I think it is. I think things are pretty pretty. I don't even see the mid
tibia. I'm sure it's in there somewhere, but.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
I mean, here's 123 on this side. So it's you can't see down far enough. OK, I'm
gonna say we will as we go through, we'll look for our specimens that have good
views in there.
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Droege, Sam
But this is also a a a good way to note that yeah, it's really nice when
everything all the specimens are spread out.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Legs are spread out and things which we which rarely is done and including.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I and I confess. And I confess, that's those are the kind of specimens I
use to develop the keys. So.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, be warned.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Move on.
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Droege, Sam
Great. And so it's good, but also you know within the discover like framework
you have alternatives, you can't see it, you just do a different character and
this points out some of the issues you're confronted with like ohh, I've got a
couplet here that's separating out a couple of big chunks. But if I can't see
what's going on in the mid tibia, then ah, you know, now I'm I'm in a like a
hard place. But if you can because you have really nice specimens, then this is
a.
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Droege, Sam
Relatively straightforward team, so we'll we'll return to that.
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Droege, Sam
But maybe we can take a look at this set here. So these are things without mid
tibia without apical spur. And I think I like appointees we've spoken about
before. Super straightforward. I'll throw a specimen under there.
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Droege, Sam
Well, Mike is Hocking.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, this is a an interesting species because up until recently there were no
records of this being in the Midwest. And when I first started.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Collecting bees in the Midwest I didn't even.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I just cut totally glossed over this thing. Never. I knew it would never be
here. Well, it is here and we keep finding it further and further north in
Missouri every year and even now in the southern Iowa. And they're just no
historical records of this. And this being is so obvious, so conspicuous, it's
hard to believe that it wasn't found.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh in in places?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
If it had been there so.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
If I'm remembering right, saying you could say the same thing is happening on
the East Coast. It seems to be moving now, OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. When when we started out, there were no records for Maryland. So we got
the, you know, first records then now that there I've got them in my backyard.
So they're very relatively abundant, super obvious and everyone seemed they
work composites pretty much only. And I know they're in New Jersey. I wouldn't
be surprised if they're in, you know, Long Island. I don't, I don't know for
sure someone could look that up.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Right.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's a curious thing. This is a bee that's, you know, for whatever reason,
it's moving north and it's a cavity nester. So there's always that possibility
that it being moved by us. But there are a lot of other cavity nesters that
aren't moving north. So it's kind of an interesting situation.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Right. And it's a little bit odd because I would say that in general composites
are less common these days than in the past because we're mowing everything all
the time. But yet here they are, so could be gardens as an important aspect of
that.
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Droege, Sam
I'm so Mike mentioned this. I think if I remember in a couple of these large
teeth and this is a good review on the true rim.
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Droege, Sam
So what you're looking at?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, not not on the they're on the.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Unless I mistyped it. It's on that the pre ethical Corina.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
OK. Yeah. So here's a the notch and the pre apical Carina and things that are
tooth like there and I guess there's either nothing here on the true rim or
perhaps.
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Droege, Sam
A couple very shallow. We were talking last time about the difficulty in seeing
these things. There might be some lateral teeth in there, but it looks to me
pretty darn smooth.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there's not nothing. Not much sticking out, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, but.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But but those but those appear, those two projections pretty obvious and stick
out indoor.
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Droege, Sam
So under normal circumstances, the overall frame of that segment is just a a
simple, you know, half circle with a, a, a notch cut out of it. And here you've
got the the different thing is the teeth but.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the.
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Droege, Sam
Is young. You almost have to just look at this specimen to understand what it
is.
0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they show up well in dorsal view as well. You don't have to turn the bee
over to see him.
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Droege, Sam
And it.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So they're back. They're that conspicuous.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So here's another thing. A lot of times. So Mike is mentioning here mid
basil tarsi long and narrow and the mic you can talk about this, but this this
is there's quite a range and sometimes super useful the comparison of Bayes
Itarsi on in these species.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally, yeah. And then Xylok appointees, the males, the it's the mid based
tarsi is really long and narrow and especially when it's compared to those
species that follow in the next two couplets, Tarsis and.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Her heart and Latin manus had a very compact.
0:18:24.580 --> 0:18:30.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Mid face of Tarsis compared to Xylocopa Boys which has a very long slightly
curved one.
0:18:32.920 --> 0:19:3.360
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So again, we have the jumble going on. So here the four tarsi, the front
legs really expanded, super obvious, very pale, in fact blown out by the light
here. And then if we move back, we now have to disentangle the hind legs from
the middle legs. So this is almost certainly, I would say the hind leg. And
here's the middle one arching over like this to.
0:19:3.320 --> 0:19:3.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.
0:19:3.440 --> 0:19:9.230
Droege, Sam
Ohh right in that area. Let's get that a little bit more in focus.
0:19:10.590 --> 0:19:15.400
Droege, Sam
And that might be another. So there's two. This is I think the rear part of it.
0:19:16.290 --> 0:19:17.50
Droege, Sam
Here but.
0:19:19.410 --> 0:19:20.160
Droege, Sam
Let's take a look.
0:19:19.570 --> 0:19:28.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then he got the hind leg above it. You can see the hind hind base of Tarsus
is flattened and abbreviated and short compared to the mid.
0:19:30.270 --> 0:19:30.650
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:19:31.650 --> 0:19:37.720
Droege, Sam
So not. I'm gonna. I'm gonna spin the whole specimen and see if we can get a
slightly better look at that.
0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:57.410
Droege, Sam
Looks pretty darn. Is that the same view? Did I just spin it 100? Yeah.
0:19:55.730 --> 0:19:58.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pretty much, but that's pretty pretty obvious.
0:19:58.720 --> 0:19:59.100
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:20:8.210 --> 0:20:9.660
Droege, Sam
Yep, so.
0:20:9.740 --> 0:20:14.880
Droege, Sam
Umm, this is probably the mid base of Tarsis right here.
0:20:15.590 --> 0:20:16.180
Droege, Sam
With the.
0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:17.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think so, yeah.
0:20:17.540 --> 0:20:19.70
Droege, Sam
Yeah, with the long.
0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:25.260
Droege, Sam
Uh, the middle leg tibia and then the.
0:20:26.260 --> 0:20:28.390
Droege, Sam
Busy Tarsis, OK. And now we can.
0:20:29.390 --> 0:20:35.380
Droege, Sam
Shift and we'll look to Albatros as I believe has the.
0:20:36.340 --> 0:20:37.550
Droege, Sam
The thicker.
0:20:39.710 --> 0:20:41.380
Droege, Sam
So here we have.
0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:50.630
Droege, Sam
Uh. Without the triangular teeth on the the that projecting margin and.
0:21:3.620 --> 0:21:4.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And this.
0:20:52.100 --> 0:21:5.440
Droege, Sam
The mid base returns much enlarged, nearly as broad about as broad as long. So
let's see if we can check that out there with our elbittar SIS, who has lost.
0:21:6.280 --> 0:21:7.10
Droege, Sam
It's.
0:21:9.20 --> 0:21:10.890
Droege, Sam
Abdomen, but it's glued down.
0:21:11.730 --> 0:21:16.930
Droege, Sam
So, Mike, what do you do when you lose a a body part? Where do you, where do
you put that?
0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:25.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, if I can reattach it somewhere on the pin or on the specimen without.
0:21:26.750 --> 0:21:31.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Making a bigger mess. I'll do that. But again, you know.
0:21:29.550 --> 0:21:32.300
Droege, Sam
So you'll actually you actually put it on to the specimen.
0:21:32.370 --> 0:21:35.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, only if if I can do that.
0:21:39.940 --> 0:21:40.300
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:21:37.130 --> 0:21:43.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Without making a bigger mess, but usually I usually I put it on the pin or on
another piece of.
0:21:43.710 --> 0:21:44.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.
0:21:47.420 --> 0:21:47.730
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:55.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The paper or something, but the good thing is these are bilaterally symmetric
critters, so if you lose one leg you got another one. So I don't worry too much
about it.
0:21:56.540 --> 0:22:4.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If it's genitalia or something, that's different, but if the legs missing or an
antenna is missing, I don't get too upset about that because there's another.
0:22:3.860 --> 0:22:4.220
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:22:7.40 --> 0:22:24.120
Droege, Sam
All right, so this is actually pretty convenient cause these legs are spread
out. So here's the hind leg. Here is the four legs, the mid leg. And I'm gonna
jump up to get knocked. The light level back a little bit and.
0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:27.750
Droege, Sam
So.
0:22:29.340 --> 0:22:31.280
Droege, Sam
You can see.
0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:33.660
Droege, Sam
Here I.
0:22:33.290 --> 0:22:35.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think you're looking at the front leg, I think, Sam.
0:22:35.860 --> 0:22:37.110
Droege, Sam
Am I looking at the front leg?
0:22:37.580 --> 0:22:38.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It looked like that.
0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:42.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:22:43.190 --> 0:22:44.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:22:38.580 --> 0:22:46.620
Droege, Sam
Oh, did that is the ohh is the hind legs are completely gone. OK Ohh there's
the so they're the spurs.
0:22:47.190 --> 0:22:47.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:22:47.510 --> 0:22:50.520
Droege, Sam
Right. And there's the Cox, OK, so.
0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:53.650
Droege, Sam
So here.
0:22:54.620 --> 0:23:4.830
Droege, Sam
Is very nicely in this particular case, showing the you know basically very
broad, very different from the other one very broad.
0:23:6.470 --> 0:23:7.400
Droege, Sam
Basic tarsis.
0:23:8.880 --> 0:23:9.250
Droege, Sam
I'm.
0:23:8.580 --> 0:23:14.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And color color is another color of the basic tarsy of all the legs is
important because.
0:23:25.380 --> 0:23:25.710
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:23:15.710 --> 0:23:30.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In a lot of cases, you know they're mid and hind cars, tarsi are dark, but Alba
Tarsus and a few others have all. Everything is bright yellow, so behind tarsi
in the mid tarsal and the front tarsi are all bright yellow and all the tarsi,
which is pretty unusual.
0:23:31.610 --> 0:23:31.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Really.
0:23:31.670 --> 0:23:33.160
Droege, Sam
And befitting its knee.
0:23:33.530 --> 0:23:34.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, exactly.
0:23:36.330 --> 0:23:42.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And there's another interesting character on Elbittar. See the mid coxi have
spines eventually.
0:23:43.650 --> 0:23:48.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Douche again is pretty. It's only one other species in our fauna like that and.
0:23:50.970 --> 0:23:53.860
Droege, Sam
So I think we can actually see that here.
0:23:59.730 --> 0:24:1.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there's one of them sticking up.
0:24:1.560 --> 0:24:1.910
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:24:3.740 --> 0:24:4.590
Droege, Sam
Get it in.
0:24:3.600 --> 0:24:6.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they're not. They're not huge, but they're they're pretty obvious.
0:24:8.660 --> 0:24:9.590
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:24:8.400 --> 0:24:19.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then all the all the other species that those those mid Cox, eventually
there's nothing going on. They don't have angles or anything. So these spines
are now batarse are.
0:24:19.820 --> 0:24:21.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Fairly unique in the eastern fauna.
0:24:23.660 --> 0:24:24.230
Droege, Sam
Again.
0:24:25.170 --> 0:24:47.960
Droege, Sam
Winning out that if you have a specimen that is all, we're all the legs are
curled over. You're gonna have a rough time finding these things, and that's
probably why I have just ignored all this. All these leg things over the years.
But this is good to have this in here because not everyone has junkie specimens
and it is encouraged. It's just the time, the time thing.
0:24:50.290 --> 0:24:58.430
Droege, Sam
So yeah, I can't really see it. I was trying to see if I guess it's vaguely
here on the other one, but you can't really see it close enough.
0:25:2.300 --> 0:25:2.890
Droege, Sam
All right.
0:25:4.440 --> 0:25:4.870
Droege, Sam
Time is it?
0:25:4.90 --> 0:25:7.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So how common is? How common is Albert Tarsis on the East Coast?
0:25:8.30 --> 0:25:13.940
Droege, Sam
You have to go way South to get it like we have no records for Maryland and
then down there.
0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:16.600
Droege, Sam
My impression is pretty regular.
0:25:17.350 --> 0:25:18.560
Droege, Sam
Like it's a common.
0:25:19.860 --> 0:25:21.450
Droege, Sam
Species of the region.
0:25:24.410 --> 0:25:30.160
Droege, Sam
All right, so tarsal segments of all these bright yellow mandibles with four
teeth.
0:25:31.300 --> 0:25:39.200
Droege, Sam
And central and southern parts. OK. And then so the next one down, this is
gonna get us to Latin, manus.
0:25:40.340 --> 0:25:42.630
Droege, Sam
Which have some really, you know, basic.
0:25:43.850 --> 0:25:59.240
Droege, Sam
Plumage differences that are very helpful and that's often how you keep them
out within discover life because the abdomen is very much, I think, all pale
hairs. But in this key.
0:26:0.10 --> 0:26:2.400
Droege, Sam
You have the simple mid coxy.
0:26:3.860 --> 0:26:18.70
Droege, Sam
And the tarsal segments are dark rather than the light that we have. I don't
know that we need to see that. And mandible with three teeth, I think people
know how to do that one too, but it's a lot of these coxal characteristics get
to be tricky.
0:26:19.530 --> 0:26:24.60
Droege, Sam
Anything more on Latin Mantis or Alba Tarsus before I put this away.
0:26:24.850 --> 0:26:28.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, no. I'm over where you are. Pair of Herta isn't.
0:26:31.100 --> 0:26:31.760
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:35.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Likely, but in the in the on the western edge of the Midwest, it's one of those
things that.
0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:49.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, we keep looking for the the females of those two species, lemma spearhead
or I? I can't tell apart with any reliability but the mails you can. So we keep
looking, but I'm not aware of any recent records.
0:26:51.320 --> 0:27:2.960
Droege, Sam
You know what I'm going to? I'm gonna remove, carefully pull back, and
actually, we were looking at the hind leg, which also has that little spur. But
there's a big old spur.
0:27:4.40 --> 0:27:6.290
Droege, Sam
That's really easy to see here.
0:27:7.760 --> 0:27:18.90
Droege, Sam
On the mid coxa I had to look on my other my it's hard to look at this under
this is the problem we're both having is looking at this thing under.
0:27:19.340 --> 0:27:23.680
Droege, Sam
The camera is way different than elsewhere.
0:27:22.940 --> 0:27:24.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes. Yeah it is.
0:27:24.570 --> 0:27:38.920
Droege, Sam
So actually the so the the here's here's one of the front legs and then the
other two are present other it's just pretty obscured and there's you can even
see the spine from here.
0:27:39.990 --> 0:27:42.260
Droege, Sam
We will just zoom in a little bit better.
0:27:43.530 --> 0:27:47.170
Droege, Sam
And the other one has the hind one has a very tiny spur, but.
0:27:47.930 --> 0:28:3.80
Droege, Sam
No. So here, see this spur right there. Very dramatic on the mid. So we were
looking over here and trying to pull it out of that and we did. There was a
little one, but if you look here you can see that the spur is.
0:28:3.920 --> 0:28:4.740
Droege, Sam
Reality.
0:28:6.40 --> 0:28:13.990
Droege, Sam
Obvious you look on the other side too. So here's here's the spur here, and
here's the spur not in focus over here.
0:28:15.360 --> 0:28:16.40
Droege, Sam
So.
0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:19.20
Droege, Sam
There you go.
0:28:20.590 --> 0:28:20.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:28:20.380 --> 0:28:23.390
Droege, Sam
Just to see see more of those kinds of things and.
0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.90
Droege, Sam
We will put this one away.
0:28:30.80 --> 0:28:34.680
Droege, Sam
All right. So we'll go back to the guide here. So that's that.
0:28:35.380 --> 0:28:36.830
Droege, Sam
That group there.
0:28:38.580 --> 0:28:40.70
Droege, Sam
And UM.
0:28:41.0 --> 0:28:47.110
Droege, Sam
So without the so these are the ones that lack the apical spur on the mid
tibia.
0:28:48.240 --> 0:29:3.550
Droege, Sam
And if we go, which we could have looked at, but it just doesn't have a spur on
the mid tibia and then now we get here and we have another big split. And Mike,
you wanna talk about that while I'll try and get a some.
0:29:4.990 --> 0:29:6.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:29:6.130 --> 0:29:7.580
Droege, Sam
Some bees look at.
0:29:8.200 --> 0:29:11.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The the couple at 6 the first alternative.
0:29:13.230 --> 0:29:18.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Refers to the four bays Itarsi of these, many of these male mega Kylie.
0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:19.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And.
0:29:21.250 --> 0:29:40.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's one of those structures that's it's, you know, it's kind of hard to
explain because it is 3 dimensional and it's got so many things involved with
it that people have used different terminology to explain it. So what I've done
is just the four base of tarsi. We know what that is.
0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:56.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But in this group of Mega Kylie, we're going to look at next. It's four basic
tarsi is elaborated and on its way to me is the inner margin. There's several
things happening at one extreme and there's this.
0:29:58.130 --> 0:30:16.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Almost like a Taco shaped structure, but it's folded and then on the other
extreme, is a little more mild. The inner surface is just concave, sometimes
deeply, sometimes weekly. So that's what you're looking for. You're looking
basically the four bases Itarsi, and then on its inner margin.
0:30:17.610 --> 0:30:22.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And this structure again is so complicated that what's inner and what's ventral
sometimes is a little.
0:30:24.550 --> 0:30:26.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Confusing, but it's.
0:30:25.730 --> 0:30:27.430
Droege, Sam
Sometimes you have to go ahead.
0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:38.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's a dramatic structure. Some of these things, they feel like police
cars and a few others are just beautiful, and that's perfect. Sam's got a great
a great shot. So that's what you're looking for.
0:30:39.20 --> 0:30:39.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's the Taco.
0:30:43.820 --> 0:30:49.910
Droege, Sam
Yeah, and very usually very wide. So this is I'm trying to get at the shot
underneath.
0:30:56.180 --> 0:30:57.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh the struggles.
0:30:58.110 --> 0:30:58.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:30:52.170 --> 0:31:8.180
Droege, Sam
And here here is what we were talking about the other day. This is. Yeah, the
struggles. And so you wanna talk velum and stylus and points and blunts and
things because they can't be useful. But I think it bears repeating.
0:31:9.120 --> 0:31:13.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, the the structuralists. Ohh, that's good. That's good. That's real good.
0:31:14.730 --> 0:31:16.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Or sometimes called the antenna cleaner.
0:31:17.180 --> 0:31:23.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh is something males and females have, and it's always at far as I know, at
least.
0:31:24.810 --> 0:31:30.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The bees in North America anyway, it's at the end. The apex of the front.
0:31:31.110 --> 0:31:31.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Tibia.
0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:40.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it takes various forms. It's usually relatively narrow and pointed, but
there's another part of it, there's.
0:31:40.390 --> 0:31:46.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, a structure called Vellum, which is a usually a translucent.
0:31:48.110 --> 0:32:17.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
When or or plate that comes down from the dark spine like thing that's called
the malleus, that's say I'm showing, but it varies in different groups and in
different species. And because of that, it can be useful like any of the spines
that are on legs, it's sometimes can be hard to get a good clear look at, but
we're gonna revisit this further down the road and make it Kylie mail so it
becomes a good way to separate a relative events and and some others.
0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:18.300
Droege, Sam
But you.
0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:33.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's the strict, strict Julius, the main dark part is called the malleus,
and it often is. There's a Mailer spine like this you're seeing here, and then
sometimes below it, there's the transparent or translucent vellum.
0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:55.350
Maffei, Clare J
Hey, could you do a favor? We're asking the chat. If you could spell the name
of this antenna cleaning structure as it's not really in many glossaries. And
while I have the mic, I'll also just direct people to chat if you are
interested in a conversation about other ways of storing fallen body parts.
0:32:57.30 --> 0:33:1.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, struggles STRG.
0:33:1.520 --> 0:33:5.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
ILISSTRI.
0:33:5.770 --> 0:33:7.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
GILUSI think.
0:33:8.690 --> 0:33:27.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then the other two components of that are the the male such as mail US or
the Mailer spine and then develop which is VELUM and that's the transparent wing
that often but not always is.
0:33:27.660 --> 0:33:29.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's attached.
0:33:30.350 --> 0:33:31.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
As part of the whole structure.
0:33:35.210 --> 0:33:36.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah there we go.
0:33:37.110 --> 0:33:37.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There it is.
0:33:41.990 --> 0:33:42.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, there.
0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:43.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Not there.
0:33:33.330 --> 0:33:44.100
Droege, Sam
So Mike, here is just a a side thing. There's that there's this black dot that
is like, hey, that's a great character. And you said there was one other
speech. This is an America, by the way.
0:33:44.340 --> 0:33:50.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There are many. When I I started looking after you mentioned that I thought,
oh, let's look and see and there at least a half a dozen.
0:33:51.10 --> 0:33:51.910
Droege, Sam
Now there are OK.
0:33:51.750 --> 0:34:6.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That, that, that have that which makes you wonder, they must have obviously has
some use. You know, these modified front legs that are put over when the when
the males are meeting with the females, those front legs are put over the eyes.
And when you look at the.
0:34:7.710 --> 0:34:24.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The total shape of the undersurface of those modified forelegs, I mean, they
perfectly fit the slope of the compound eye and I don't know what's going on,
but I've seen mails letter minus mating with the females and they moved them
over the eyes so.
0:34:25.550 --> 0:34:27.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know. Pretty amazing.
0:34:26.940 --> 0:34:27.250
Droege, Sam
You know.
0:34:30.350 --> 0:34:55.190
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So here we're looking at this is the other leg there sort of in the way,
but here's this. The underside of that four leg in the fringe. So Mike, you
wanna take us through? So is it the combination of fringe or the the cause? A
lot of them, a lot of other species don't have a fringe at all. If I remember
right, right.
0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:56.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Both of them do.
0:34:56.900 --> 0:34:57.350
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:34:57.580 --> 0:34:59.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
To to a greater or lesser degree.
0:35:0.720 --> 0:35:19.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But yeah, that whole 44 basic Tarsis structure in many of these species
involves not just the days of Tarsis, but following tarsal segments as well.
And this is a good case of that. That black dot that you see is on the second
tarsal meter. So that's the second tarsal segment of the front.
0:35:20.670 --> 0:35:28.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Darcy and then that following that is the third. So in this case you know all
three of those segments are broadened and expanded.
0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:31.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So there are five total tarsal segments.
0:35:33.140 --> 0:35:35.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then 1/2 and three are are modified.
0:35:37.20 --> 0:35:53.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that's typical of not of all of them, but of many of the the other species
that have these modified for legs. That that's not just the basic tarsi that's
modified all that's usually the most conspicuous part, but so are some of the
other tarsal segments are modified in different ways. Is also.
0:36:5.150 --> 0:36:5.500
Droege, Sam
Hmm.
0:35:54.470 --> 0:36:9.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that black dot, it's interesting, their hair is all around it, but the dot
itself, I mean, there aren't any heirs unless they are super microscopic. So I
don't. I'm really curious what the function of that dot is because.
0:36:10.540 --> 0:36:11.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Something's going on there.
0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:17.830
Droege, Sam
Right. That is kind of interesting, like why the why black? Why no hairs?
0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:19.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:36:18.750 --> 0:36:25.720
Droege, Sam
And is and so the rest of this though would be relatively translucent, so I'm
just thinking, OK, it's over the eye.
0:36:26.210 --> 0:36:27.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, it's.
0:36:26.380 --> 0:36:29.680
Droege, Sam
This would maybe not let the light in or is everything opaque?
0:36:36.470 --> 0:36:36.860
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
0:36:30.150 --> 0:36:39.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's up to me. It's it's it's, it's the entanglements color. So it's either
yellow or brownish not not true. Not translucent, at least not to my eye.
0:36:39.940 --> 0:36:40.290
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:36:52.930 --> 0:36:53.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:36:41.670 --> 0:36:58.120
Droege, Sam
But if you were a female, OK. And so the four tarsi come over. You're that that
black area here is going to be in your visual space quite a bit. I wonder if
that that does something. Hmm. You had thought about that at all?
0:36:58.890 --> 0:36:59.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I know.
0:36:57.710 --> 0:37:3.440
Maffei, Clare J
Ohh, we have our hypothesis in the chat. It might function as a focal point.
0:37:6.470 --> 0:37:6.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:37:4.920 --> 0:37:7.540
Droege, Sam
Ohh right, but why?
0:37:8.780 --> 0:37:9.500
Droege, Sam
Why would it?
0:37:10.80 --> 0:37:12.100
Maffei, Clare J
Maybe it's a it hypnotizes?
0:37:12.170 --> 0:37:14.930
Droege, Sam
How's he gonna say? It's like a mesmerization thing?
0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:15.490
Maffei, Clare J
And makes makes her docile.
0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:17.150
Droege, Sam
Alright, well.
0:37:23.690 --> 0:37:24.940
Droege, Sam
I yeah.
0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:30.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So I there might be literature on this, I I can't recall. I think I remember
some old world publications that they're old world species have a similar males
have similar legs and I.
0:37:31.390 --> 0:37:33.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'm gonna have to dig into that. I can't remember.
0:37:35.110 --> 0:37:35.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Anyway.
0:37:35.130 --> 0:37:36.630
Droege, Sam
OK so.
0:37:37.810 --> 0:37:43.320
Droege, Sam
So if we're, we're back now at the guide. So here and we're looking at an
indica and this case.
0:37:44.740 --> 0:37:54.920
Droege, Sam
You have and it's hard to see, but that's deeply concave. Obviously, if it's
going over the females eyes and would it need to be and and we saw the fringe.
0:38:4.530 --> 0:38:4.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:37:56.820 --> 0:38:7.520
Droege, Sam
And and it was definitely a yellowish, which is more obvious on the dorsal or
outer side if you wanna call it two. So let's see. Yeah, go ahead.
0:38:5.880 --> 0:38:11.120
Maffei, Clare J
I'm. I'm sorry. I'm gonna try again. I'm gonna backtrack a few of us were too
invested in the chat and missed.
0:38:13.500 --> 0:38:15.10
Droege, Sam
No, that was uh.
0:38:11.870 --> 0:38:16.150
Maffei, Clare J
What species you were just talking about and with the black dot loading menus.
0:38:16.810 --> 0:38:18.220
Droege, Sam
No, no, in America.
0:38:18.510 --> 0:38:27.10
Maffei, Clare J
And then I got OK. And is that character doesn't look like it's actually in a
key, but it you said it was a unique thing to just that species.
0:38:27.240 --> 0:38:59.600
Droege, Sam
Well, I actually put it in and I was wrong. This is where we ended last time. I
thought it was I had gotten Georgia and it and inimica mixed up and thought
that it was a good character for Georgia got, which is complete. We'll see is
completely dark. And in fact my collect. I don't know why. I was thinking that
because the collection was correctly split, but for some reason I put in that
Georgia had the dot and that was a good way to separate it from something else.
0:39:0.200 --> 0:39:1.380
Droege, Sam
But it turns out.
0:39:2.80 --> 0:39:5.350
Droege, Sam
As often as the case I was incorrect.
0:39:6.180 --> 0:39:9.270
Droege, Sam
At some some kind of level, but let's go to Georgia.
0:39:9.990 --> 0:39:22.300
Droege, Sam
Umm. And we will take a look at a different front leg architecture and while
I'm doing that, like if you have anything else to add, that's totally good.
0:39:21.980 --> 0:39:23.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, the black dots.
0:39:25.860 --> 0:39:42.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Occur frequently enough, and in species that I I haven't, I don't think I've
included in the key, but in America, Polar Keras, Pugnet A and several others
have what you and I would call a black dot on the 2nd.
0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:57.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
For tarsal segment, sometimes not quite as obvious as the one that's sandwich
showing, but I think we'd all agree that it was present. So it's, I mean, it's
gonna be useful in certain circumstances, but as a single identifying character
that.
0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:1.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Book that's useful and singling out one species it's, you know.
0:40:2.980 --> 0:40:5.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In of itself, it's not that useful.
0:40:6.270 --> 0:40:7.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it's very interesting.
0:40:8.670 --> 0:40:9.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
For other reasons.
0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:12.360
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:40:14.450 --> 0:40:16.850
Droege, Sam
So many little interesting things.
0:40:18.30 --> 0:40:26.710
Droege, Sam
I I just feel like I'm I'm just kind of in some way shocked that there are that
people are listening to us.
0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:36.870
Droege, Sam
Like they always feel like. Well, there's like three people who care about
these details. But then again, they do care about getting their darn things
identified.
0:40:38.430 --> 0:40:45.340
Droege, Sam
Alright, so hopefully I've got a ohm. Let me just look at it here. Hey,
georgica.
0:40:46.950 --> 0:40:52.480
Droege, Sam
No, this is hmm. I let me get a different specimen, please. It's.
0:40:54.350 --> 0:41:0.720
Droege, Sam
I can't. I'm trying to find it so that we can look at the underside. Ohh this
is this is a better 10. Look, there's a black tie.
0:41:1.530 --> 0:41:2.20
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:41:3.270 --> 0:41:4.220
Droege, Sam
So.
0:41:8.760 --> 0:41:12.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So Georgia is one of those that in couplets 6.
0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:14.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is involved in the second.
0:41:16.50 --> 0:41:22.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Choice in the couple of it doesn't have a modified four basic tarsy the way
that America does.
0:41:26.530 --> 0:41:37.440
Droege, Sam
So I'll try and show underneath. Yeah. So maybe the black dot thing. You're
right, is probably more ubiquitous than I thought. And Georgia does have it.
You just have to look underneath again.
0:41:38.390 --> 0:41:38.980
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:42.500
Droege, Sam
During it's tricky to get a.
0:41:43.990 --> 0:41:57.800
Droege, Sam
A picture of this. I mean, let's just let's just start by looking at the outer
edge and then I'll try and angle this to see the inner edge so that you can see
it's just doesn't have the same expansion.
0:41:58.550 --> 0:42:3.400
Droege, Sam
Of the four tarsi that those other specimens had.
0:42:4.320 --> 0:42:6.70
Droege, Sam
OK, so this is just the.
0:42:8.190 --> 0:42:10.660
Droege, Sam
Outer edge. I'm going to work on the light here.
0:42:11.740 --> 0:42:13.260
Droege, Sam
Take the light down a little bit.
0:42:14.40 --> 0:42:14.550
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:22.70
Droege, Sam
And.
0:42:25.950 --> 0:42:27.110
Droege, Sam
Yeah, that's a little bit better.
0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.300
Droege, Sam
They see much narrower.
0:42:37.980 --> 0:42:40.520
Droege, Sam
And now we'll try and flip it over.
0:42:51.990 --> 0:42:55.530
Droege, Sam
Sorry if I'm good at angling this thing.
0:43:3.800 --> 0:43:4.590
Droege, Sam
There we go.
0:43:5.230 --> 0:43:6.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that I think you got it.
0:43:7.470 --> 0:43:7.800
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:43:9.60 --> 0:43:10.320
Droege, Sam
And it also has a black dot.
0:43:14.820 --> 0:43:15.250
Droege, Sam
But.
0:43:14.750 --> 0:43:22.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Also on this also and also on the second tarsum here, which is that's where it
always is which is which is also interesting. Why is it always on that one?
0:43:25.410 --> 0:43:26.490
Maffei, Clare J
Does it have hair in it?
0:43:27.70 --> 0:43:32.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Nope. And if if there are hairs there, there are microscopic and there could
be. It's just that and.
0:43:35.770 --> 0:43:36.210
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:37.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The 80X I couldn't see anything no matter how I change the light so.
0:43:38.250 --> 0:43:44.400
Droege, Sam
So it's more like almost like a phobia kind of thing possibly.
0:43:42.870 --> 0:43:44.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:43:45.220 --> 0:43:47.850
Droege, Sam
Which is also mysterious as to what's going on there.
0:43:49.770 --> 0:43:53.420
Droege, Sam
So anything you want to say, Mike, now that we have that in there, I'm going
to.
0:43:53.120 --> 0:44:1.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, so this this is a case of one of a group of species which there are many
that don't have the four base Itarsi.
0:44:2.270 --> 0:44:13.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Concave or folded or with a a deep impression, you may have other things, but
they don't have what you saw in and in the.
0:44:34.330 --> 0:44:34.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Tibia.
0:44:40.660 --> 0:44:40.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:44:15.430 --> 0:44:43.140
Droege, Sam
Yeah, so we approach it in the like the Discover life keys. I mean, try and
bump this back up, basically because most of the time you're it's difficult to
see underneath. We're just asking people to measure the width across and
compare it to the the tibia to get an idea of whether the segments been
expanded or not. And then we have a color yellow, not yellow.
0:44:44.410 --> 0:44:46.940
Droege, Sam
On that, but the idea is the same.
0:44:48.430 --> 0:44:55.250
Droege, Sam
Very intriguing black dot. So yeah, just a a different, different way of saying
me saying similar things.
0:44:56.980 --> 0:44:58.330
Droege, Sam
Great. So.
0:44:59.390 --> 0:45:0.30
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:45:0.830 --> 0:45:2.840
Droege, Sam
So yeah, without this concavity.
0:45:3.480 --> 0:45:5.650
Droege, Sam
Uh and?
0:45:5.930 --> 0:45:16.480
Droege, Sam
Umm. And the four charts he usually darken color, so if we take a look at this,
we back this off. We're not seeing this bright yellow.
0:45:17.20 --> 0:45:21.710
Droege, Sam
Umm, uh. Part to it and you know the tibia.
0:45:23.50 --> 0:45:23.740
Droege, Sam
Is.
0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:32.530
Droege, Sam
Well, I guess it's supposedly in the other ones. That tibia could also be
brown, but this is mostly a.
0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:35.430
Droege, Sam
Dark.
0:45:36.970 --> 0:45:53.720
Droege, Sam
Segment, there's a lot. There's bright white hairs here, which is sort of
disguising the dark under the the intent is the same color as this. The here's
our disguising it. Whereas when we were looking at the other specimen.
0:45:54.440 --> 0:46:2.70
Droege, Sam
This was all bright yellow and this was much whiter and there were flaps and
folds and all kinds of interesting things.
0:46:4.400 --> 0:46:20.110
Droege, Sam
Right. So that's a big split in Mike's key here between 2:00 separate groups.
So we'll in just keeping with our number thing. So I don't have any comida. Do
you wanna talk about?
0:46:21.310 --> 0:46:26.260
Droege, Sam
Or how you even pronounce it that particular species. It must be a western.
0:46:24.910 --> 0:46:31.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it it is. Arkansas is the furthest east record I know of.
0:46:32.330 --> 0:46:44.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's mostly a western Great Plains thing. It's big. It's a big, very big
species, and the spines on the mid coxy are like five times what they were on
Alba Tarsus. I mean, they're just.
0:46:46.370 --> 0:47:0.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Incredible spines sticking out of the mid Cox, but again this is I mean there
are only a few records on the on the western edge of the Midwest, the southern
margin. And I don't think there's any records over the east.
0:47:1.840 --> 0:47:3.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it's a real big I mean, it's a big, big.
0:47:8.10 --> 0:47:8.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:47:9.370 --> 0:47:9.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:47:5.110 --> 0:47:11.290
Droege, Sam
Right. And just that mid coxal thing, if you can see it is a splitting out from
all the rest.
0:47:12.10 --> 0:47:17.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the spines in this case are, I mean, they are really became this. I mean,
they're just they stick way out.
0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:25.250
Droege, Sam
In 15 millimeters, is also a pretty huge bee too. So the the whole thing would
be noticeable.
0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:26.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, definitely.
0:47:27.310 --> 0:47:33.720
Droege, Sam
All right, so now we're splitting again 9 and 12. So what are we looking at
here?
0:47:33.970 --> 0:47:45.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The T6, not the true apical margin, but the what I just call the pre apical
Carina which all the males have and sometimes it's gotta not. Sometimes it's
serrated, sometimes it's in.
0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:52.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Two pieces, but what we're looking for here are those males that the T6 Karina.
0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:56.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Has no notches. It's pretty much evenly.
0:48:0.420 --> 0:48:0.710
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:47:56.870 --> 0:48:6.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, evenly or what we call entire across the it's margin. And there's a handful
of species that that fit fit that in the east.
0:48:7.360 --> 0:48:10.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Far more than out West, but there's there's a there's some.
0:48:11.30 --> 0:48:11.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In the east.
0:48:30.700 --> 0:48:31.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:48:10.220 --> 0:48:33.840
Droege, Sam
Right. We we looked at Ruby because that's specimen I have that you don't have
it because it's basically a a Deep South eastern East Coast thing. But like, I
don't think I have. I'm pretty sure I don't have any of these. These are all
really rare bees. Let me, let me ask you about Ena theory. How many have you
seen of that species?
0:48:35.220 --> 0:48:35.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
A handful.
0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:37.950
Droege, Sam
Do you have seen them though? OK.
0:48:37.80 --> 0:48:40.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Over there. Yeah. I collected them that collect them and in Oklahoma.
0:48:41.380 --> 0:48:41.730
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
0:48:41.510 --> 0:48:44.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh and there are records from the South you know Gulf Coast.
0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:45.420
Droege, Sam
Uh.
0:48:46.70 --> 0:48:51.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I think it's one of those that's maybe more around than we think.
0:48:51.930 --> 0:48:52.250
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:48:52.90 --> 0:48:57.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, and I've got that scene early in the morning. They're fast,
incredibly fast.
0:49:3.130 --> 0:49:3.540
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:48:58.830 --> 0:49:18.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And but they are very distinctive. They have a tongue that's unbelievable and
you can't miss it because it's not has nowhere to go. It's always hanging out.
And so it's very obvious and you may get Kylie east of the Great Plains east of
the Rocky Mountains that has a super long tongue. It's gonna be in a theory or
something undescribed maybe.
0:49:18.980 --> 0:49:19.630
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:49:21.510 --> 0:49:21.880
Droege, Sam
Out.
0:49:24.730 --> 0:49:25.80
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:49:19.300 --> 0:49:29.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So. So yeah, so that's a very cool beat. And then America is another that's
that's also a great Great Plains thing and it looks just like in the theory
mostly, but with a short tone.
0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:32.430
Droege, Sam
On another day.
0:49:31.470 --> 0:49:34.700
Maffei, Clare J
So in a theory that's a specialist, right?
0:49:35.80 --> 0:49:36.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally yes.
0:49:35.810 --> 0:49:36.200
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:49:35.970 --> 0:49:41.620
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, it's going with the the morning glories and that family or that genius.
0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:43.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, with the with evening, with evening Primrose family.
0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:44.770
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, yeah.
0:49:44.970 --> 0:49:46.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's there.
0:49:44.780 --> 0:49:48.540
Droege, Sam
I was going to ask which which species of evening primrose.
0:49:49.40 --> 0:49:58.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I found it at several actually one of them, that's that's not even. It's Kelly
Loftus. Denise Kelly Loftus. That was in.
0:50:3.690 --> 0:50:4.260
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:49:59.970 --> 0:50:5.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That might now be moved into unit theorem, but that's several several.
0:50:7.530 --> 0:50:8.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It is.
0:50:8.830 --> 0:50:9.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:50:9.990 --> 0:50:10.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:50:5.430 --> 0:50:11.310
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And that's a western that that one you just mentioned is a Western thing
and deserts almost OK.
0:50:13.290 --> 0:50:14.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I I want.
0:50:12.410 --> 0:50:14.120
Droege, Sam
Right. Yeah, I.
0:50:13.30 --> 0:50:19.670
Maffei, Clare J
And before this one I wanna read from Gene, our local librarian, missioner
says.
0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:36.390
Maffei, Clare J
Enlarged, often elaborately fringed front, tarsi, pale and sometimes
translucent, translucent but often having dark spots on the concave inner
surfaces. These may possibly fit over the eyes of the female during meeting.
0:50:37.990 --> 0:50:38.560
Droege, Sam
Yes.
0:50:39.310 --> 0:50:40.30
Droege, Sam
And.
0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:41.820
Droege, Sam
But the dark spot.
0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:44.430
Droege, Sam
Was sort of an aside. He didn't.
0:50:45.590 --> 0:50:54.140
Droege, Sam
You know what I mean? Like the dark spot, I don't think can fit over the eyes.
That would only be part of the eye. That certainly would be over the eyes.
0:51:4.650 --> 0:51:4.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alright.
0:50:54.910 --> 0:51:15.30
Droege, Sam
But like so and the interesting thing is that georgica which doesn't have like
the massive like the other ones I think of as completely covering the compound
eyes or nearly so. And so you can make up a story about that. But Georgia got
that's not completely covering, but yet that black spot is almost the same
size.
0:51:15.700 --> 0:51:17.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In the same place, Yep.
0:51:19.390 --> 0:51:19.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Period.
0:51:16.770 --> 0:51:20.500
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And the same place. So it doesn't seem to.
0:51:22.100 --> 0:51:28.410
Droege, Sam
Require something like complete coverage and I don't know how Georgia mates or.
0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:29.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't either.
0:51:29.130 --> 0:51:30.810
Droege, Sam
You know whether it's.
0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:34.130
Maffei, Clare J
That's what I was just gonna say. Do we even know if it does the same blindfold
thing?
0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:44.710
Droege, Sam
Right. Or maybe it's a lure, you know, like it's like, hey, age, watch my dot
or something, I don't know. But it's interesting that both the, you know, the
two different.
0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.630
Droege, Sam
Types of four legs both had black dots.
0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:58.180
Droege, Sam
I think someone should do a black dot comparison paper and then look at other
patterns associated with black dots or not but.
0:52:4.360 --> 0:52:5.50
Droege, Sam
Hello.
0:51:58.650 --> 0:52:6.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And maybe it maybe ultraviolet light or maybe it does something, you know,
maybe looks book back to us, but maybe not to be.
0:52:7.920 --> 0:52:8.250
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:52:9.590 --> 0:52:12.200
Droege, Sam
Yeah, well, interesting.
0:52:17.350 --> 0:52:17.800
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:52:10.900 --> 0:52:28.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So I want to say one other thing that some of the question that somebody had
about the morning glories and negatively in a theory, there is another genus in
a different family, melatonin and they are specialists on Apamea and things in
that family.
0:52:29.700 --> 0:52:35.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they have a super long time, just as long as maybe Kylie theory, but
they're totally different.
0:52:37.910 --> 0:52:38.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think that's what that.
0:52:41.470 --> 0:52:41.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:52:42.860 --> 0:52:43.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Incredible.
0:52:45.940 --> 0:52:46.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I know.
0:52:36.450 --> 0:52:56.460
Droege, Sam
Right. But Seema lobus? Yeah. No, they do. I mean, their tongue is massive, but
Seema Lobis does not. If I remember, I have a very long tongue. Yet it is more
than melatonin. AI would say, locked into. Apparently, if I may append errata
only.
0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:57.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I agree. Yep, I agree.
0:52:57.370 --> 0:53:3.330
Droege, Sam
And it's big and and must just jam it jam in there or something.
0:53:3.830 --> 0:53:7.870
Droege, Sam
I there's another interesting one and hardly ever seen.
0:53:8.510 --> 0:53:14.0
Droege, Sam
Umm, although I did see a bunch. Also Newsday records for Pennsylvania.
0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:24.770
Droege, Sam
That paper that was Nash was talking about, I looked at Dave Bittinger's first
captures tons of really interesting all the anthophora.
0:53:25.530 --> 0:53:26.160
Droege, Sam
And.
0:53:27.420 --> 0:53:39.110
Droege, Sam
A bunch of user rines, including. If you think of it as a userinit this these seem
lobis and I'm like I'm I've I'm seeing more seamless than I have ever seen
recently.
0:53:43.870 --> 0:53:44.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Huh.
0:53:40.250 --> 0:53:44.440
Droege, Sam
And it's like in freaking Pennsylvania. So.
0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:46.680
Droege, Sam
Anyway, just.
0:53:47.810 --> 0:53:57.100
Droege, Sam
Continuous mysteries out there. So OK, if we go back to this.
0:53:57.180 --> 0:54:19.980
Droege, Sam
Split here mid Coxwell spines absent 8 and then we are ohh. Here's a split T6
with pre ethical Carina with the notch. So basically what we've been seeing
mostly which is there's a big notch out of the middle sometimes very not so
notch as just toothed heavily toothed.
0:54:20.810 --> 0:54:21.530
Droege, Sam
And.
0:54:27.380 --> 0:54:28.150
Maffei, Clare J
Hey, Sam.
0:54:22.730 --> 0:54:29.30
Droege, Sam
And mandible with three or four teeth. So that takes us to 12, yeah.
0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:32.240
Droege, Sam
Oh my gosh.
0:54:29.570 --> 0:54:36.820
Maffei, Clare J
Time really flies. We got two minutes and you're it's probably a better
stopping point at a big split.
0:54:37.290 --> 0:54:38.180
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's a good idea.
0:54:38.410 --> 0:54:42.350
Droege, Sam
Yeah. OK, great. It is another split here.
0:54:44.10 --> 0:54:52.600
Droege, Sam
OK. Well, I guess are there, we've covered some interesting things. Are there
other questions that we can answer or anything?
0:54:53.540 --> 0:54:55.840
Droege, Sam
More about any of this stuff.
0:54:57.510 --> 0:55:3.630
Droege, Sam
Ohh let's here's Paulina just Mike. Did I tell you about this study? That.
0:55:5.480 --> 0:55:5.950
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:55:3.90 --> 0:55:7.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, I you did copy me on that and yeah, it was intriguing.
0:55:7.880 --> 0:55:8.230
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:55:10.10 --> 0:55:11.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I want to I want to know more.
0:55:9.860 --> 0:55:23.820
Droege, Sam
So this so the story is and this is the thing where someone needs to go to
Bermuda. First of all, I can't believe that only ruina is the only bee native
bee there. I'm sure they have honey bees.
0:55:25.450 --> 0:55:38.280
Droege, Sam
And I mean by now something should have at least invaded, but theoretically,
that's the only be of Bermuda, which is quite a distance from anything. So that
kind of makes sense and.
0:55:38.990 --> 0:55:43.450
Droege, Sam
Ruinas in my experience is absolutely coastal.
0:55:43.810 --> 0:55:44.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:55:52.780 --> 0:55:53.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't either.
0:55:44.220 --> 0:56:9.790
Droege, Sam
There are some weird specimens from the interior, but I don't actually know
anyone who has looked at them recently, and so I I'm a little suspicious
because they don't even seem to be in sand, and this is definitely a doomed
bee. And also in Bermuda it it is a doom bee. But it turns out when they do the
molecular not preena some new species.
0:56:32.270 --> 0:56:32.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.
0:56:10.650 --> 0:56:36.670
Droege, Sam
So, but it was like I should go to Bermuda just because I know I can find some
additional bees there, some, you know, little lazy blossom or something. But on
the other hand, if you actually look on Google Earth at Bermuda, it's like it's
like used up like, it's like 100% housing development or something close to it.
0:56:37.490 --> 0:56:43.60
Droege, Sam
Which isn't necessarily mean. There are no other bees, but I'm just like, come
on, there's gotta be another bee there.
0:56:48.720 --> 0:56:49.250
Maffei, Clare J
Wonderful.
0:56:44.70 --> 0:57:7.370
Droege, Sam
Anyway, it was just a fun Side Story, and they also. They also looked at the
color variant, so there's these color variations from very light, sort of like
a normal magically to almost completely black. And they said there was no
molecular note to those differences in color variations, just color variation.
0:57:7.450 --> 0:57:7.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:57:9.130 --> 0:57:11.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Which is good to know.
0:57:8.510 --> 0:57:12.140
Droege, Sam
In you know, plenty of bees do that same way, yeah.
0:57:13.900 --> 0:57:14.850
Droege, Sam
Alright so.
0:57:16.370 --> 0:57:16.600
Droege, Sam
No.
0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:26.20
Maffei, Clare J
Well, we do have another specialist question and I also just wanted to point
people to the chat if you were interested in Ellen using capsules to store.
0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:28.180
Maffei, Clare J
Paired body parts.
0:57:28.860 --> 0:57:32.830
Maffei, Clare J
Umm. But someone asked are mega Kylie owner?
0:57:33.330 --> 0:57:37.610
Maffei, Clare J
You know, I don't know how that evening forging B.
0:57:38.300 --> 0:57:41.130
Maffei, Clare J
That, Umm genus being even in primroses.
0:57:41.390 --> 0:57:42.410
Droege, Sam
Ohh the enough theory.
0:57:43.90 --> 0:57:43.430
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
0:57:44.210 --> 0:57:45.450
Droege, Sam
But So what was the question?
0:57:46.820 --> 0:57:49.40
Maffei, Clare J
Are they an evening foraging bee?
0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:51.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The the ones I have found are mourning.
0:57:53.370 --> 0:57:53.850
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:58:5.130 --> 0:58:5.590
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:57:53.410 --> 0:58:9.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But there are, but there are, you know, there evening primrose species that, I
mean, it's a huge group, some of them open in early, early in the morning, some
are in the evening, some are later in the day. So, you know, we don't know
enough about this bee to really answer that question. That's just it's really.
0:58:10.410 --> 0:58:13.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ah, that's disappointing known species.
0:58:13.420 --> 0:58:15.700
Droege, Sam
Yeah, like so I have.
0:58:14.710 --> 0:58:16.60
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, I think that was the essence.
0:58:16.460 --> 0:58:22.610
Droege, Sam
I have the Super common evening primrose in my yard. What does that Giannis or
something but?
0:58:23.750 --> 0:58:41.430
Droege, Sam
And I was just noticing this morning right at dawn, I'm looking at like ohh
you're still open and I'm cause normally they're mostly closed throughout
almost all of the day and then open up in the evening as per its name. But it
was like.
0:58:42.60 --> 0:58:49.90
Droege, Sam
All right, you're completely open. I I did a quick scan for because there's
other code, Astra.
0:58:50.270 --> 0:58:52.480
Droege, Sam
Type of species.
0:58:52.680 --> 0:59:4.950
Droege, Sam
Now, uh, at least. Well, one that could be in the area, but I didn't see it.
But that species is on evening primrose, but also on the day blooming ethera
too.
0:59:5.710 --> 0:59:17.0
Droege, Sam
And other people have found them. I've seen them in bowls a couple times, but
actually have never, like, I've had tons of evening promos and I've never seen
one in my yard.
0:59:18.330 --> 0:59:19.90
Droege, Sam
Serrating.
0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:21.910
Droege, Sam
So anyway.
0:59:22.700 --> 0:59:23.650
Droege, Sam
Stories everywhere.
0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:26.730
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, I think that gets to the essence of the question. The degree of
specialization on that one.
0:59:27.540 --> 0:59:28.20
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:59:28.720 --> 0:59:38.420
Droege, Sam
Yeah, there's a bunch. You know, there's a sabastia. That's a specialist.
There's a mega Kylie. That's a specialist. There's lazy blossoms. Very
different.
0:59:40.130 --> 0:59:46.390
Droege, Sam
Uh groups. In fact, those are three different families that have honed in on
being a specialist of being a theory.
0:59:47.490 --> 0:59:48.90
Droege, Sam
Plants.
0:59:50.380 --> 0:59:59.690
Droege, Sam
And they're super sticky. The pollen is connected. It's they're weird shapes.
We're like 3 cornered, and then they're.
1:0:0.180 --> 1:0:17.970
Droege, Sam
Umm, I think the main problem for bees is that they're all glued together with
Bissell threads. I guess they're called, so probably it's like a A that the
plant is like, OK, only my favorites really are gonna move my pawn around
because it's such a pain in the ****.
1:0:21.960 --> 1:0:22.630
Maffei, Clare J
Very cool.
1:0:24.260 --> 1:0:33.160
Maffei, Clare J
OK, well, I'm gonna wrap it up and I'll let you all know if any if I get any
emails about this, but we don't have any other comments in the chat.
1:0:34.40 --> 1:0:35.650
Maffei, Clare J
Unless anybody wants to jump in.
1:0:36.490 --> 1:0:36.820
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:0:39.140 --> 1:0:39.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Thanks.
1:0:39.550 --> 1:0:40.140
Droege, Sam
Thanks Mike.
1:0:40.680 --> 1:0:41.470
Maffei, Clare J
Hi everybody.
1:0:40.440 --> 1:0:43.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Thank you very much, Claire. Mike. Thanks, Sam talk. We'll talk soon.
1:0:42.330 --> 1:0:55.860
Droege, Sam
And we'll we'll put up. We'll put up the, the, the, I'll. I'll look for some
comments today and then maybe over the weekend I'll put up some of the new
questions right into the guides and see how that goes.