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Maffei, Clare J
Right. So I think the only announcement that I have that was in our you know
the the e-mail every week is that next week we will not be having class the
week following we will.
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Maffei, Clare J
Then the week following that, we want. So next week the 20th. No class 27th
yes, class.
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Maffei, Clare J
Whatever the date is for the first week in August, no class.
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Maffei, Clare J
And we'll say that again in emails.
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Maffei, Clare J
That is.
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Maffei, Clare J
That's fine.
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Droege, Sam
I'll be kicking around in Arizona first week of August will be interesting.
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Maffei, Clare J
To bring back peace.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
I would. I'm gonna go to.
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Droege, Sam
You know.
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Maffei, Clare J
You can bring back to keep that we didn't have for the genre.
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Droege, Sam
But I'm going to look on the maps and find where there are the fewest bees ever
collected, and I'm gonna go there, even if it's, you know, not like the Grand
Canyon or some beautiful place. But we'll see what happens.
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Droege, Sam
Alright.
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Maffei, Clare J
All science get done. Yeah, you guys can just jump in.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so we stopped right before the. What's the pronunciation of the group,
Mike? That is all the European.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Little tiny ones.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, small's.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh. I pronounce it you trick Aria, but I I don't know if that's right.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I like.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so they're all in the same sub, yeah?
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Droege, Sam
Seems that.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, same subgenus. And it's a big subgenus. Yeah. I mean, worldwide, they're
a lot of them. And they're all. They're all little.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
And.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And like like you said earlier, that's probably the best field ID character in
the US form or just tiny little mega tightly.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
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Droege, Sam
Right. And then you can flip them over and look and we'll show like I think we
showed it last time. We'll show it again the the hairs that there's a a small
set of oppressed, so prone, thick white hairs that lie along the rims of the
sternites. I think it's the rims of the sternites below the scope will hairs
and you can almost always see them even if there's a lot of pollen you can look
from the side and spot that but just a small size.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
And at least rotund data is super common. Like every city probably in the
nation, I would imagine has a bunch of roton data running around and.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think you're right.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Mm-hmm.
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Droege, Sam
And mostly on legumes, if I if I recall right, that's alfalfa. People use it
all the time.
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Droege, Sam
So here's here's mikes couplet and I'll we'll bring up the discover life ones
too. And and Mike and I were just discussing that, you know, where each using a
sum slightly different subset of ID, but we'll start with Mike's here. And
while I'm arranging, we'll start with.
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Droege, Sam
Some.
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Droege, Sam
Row 10 dot of the most common one, and then we'll circle back to the others and
we will.
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Droege, Sam
I'm try, maybe I'll I'll flip it this one over right now. We'll look at the
sternal.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, underlying hair bands and then we will look at the little tiny.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, I called them skid marks on the tergites that again people when they're
starting out are like, what are you, what are the, what is that? And we'll take
a look at them and then we'll talk about all our struggles on trying to find
them on specimens on like and particularly apicalis and then concinna or
whatever the current name might be for that one. So while I'm doing that, my Q.
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Droege, Sam
Maybe talk a little bit about what we're gonna see here too, and I'm going to
share.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, we're. So we're talking about.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
First of all, the 1st or the 2nd tergite on the females.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And sort of the lateral.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Side just off off to the left and the right of the middle.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And these are kind of Oval, like Sam described skid marks. Technically they're
called Fulvia.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm. And they're very, very weak depressions. Since fact it's. I mean, it's
about a shallow depression, as you can imagine, but they are. It's this patch
of very, very dense short.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pairs that give the impression of a I don't know, like a little fuzzy patch.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And sometimes lighting viewing angle can make a big difference.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it usually in Rotunda, they're they're pretty. They're pretty obvious,
unless it's a bad specimen or the first tour guide is pulled over the 2nd.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, I'm not seeing anything, Sam.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'm. I'm.
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Droege, Sam
It's uh, not loading the screen for some reason when I'm clicking on live
normally I have it up but for some reason I decided not to do that this time
and now I'm paying the penalty.
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Droege, Sam
Let me. I'm gonna get out of the program and start again.
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Droege, Sam
So this is the program that runs the microscope and I see the power is on and
I've got lights on. I've got the specimen in and you're seeing me do this,
right. So we're on screen share, aren't we?
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Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, I'm seeing it down in the corner.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right hand corner? Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. Ohh. You OK. Well, maybe that's part of the problem that I have not sufficiently
shared the screen.
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Maffei, Clare J
Sam, I see. I see your zoom or your teams screen.
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Maffei, Clare J
Umm and.
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Maffei, Clare J
You scrolling around your apps.
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Droege, Sam
OK, alright, that's good.
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Droege, Sam
Huh.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, let me try this again. So I'm going here, I'm going to it's I'm
getting the blue circle of unhappiness here.
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Droege, Sam
I'm doing this so there is.
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Droege, Sam
That.
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Droege, Sam
And here is the see just has just circling.
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Droege, Sam
Yep.
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Droege, Sam
Another instance currently running cannot be OK. I'm gonna have to kill it in.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Task manager.
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Droege, Sam
Town.
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Maffei, Clare J
OK, I'm gonna pause the recording, I think.
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Droege, Sam
OK. Yeah, yeah, this is.
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Droege, Sam
OK, it for now Microsoft Parallax.
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Maffei, Clare J
OK, so I just started recording again. These might actually be two different
recordings, but at least we didn't have.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
Tenants there. We'll see how it goes. So. So just to catch up on the recording
with this is what on screen and what are you about to look at?
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Droege, Sam
It's megale rotund data, and we're going to attempt to illuminate the small
Oval here. Fulvia has different reflective surface and is often a little tricky
to see, so a lot of times you're going to take your specimen and rock it back
and forth under the light to highlight whether it's there or not. And
sometimes, particularly if you see it, it's good if you don't see it, then you
often wanna spend a little more time.
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Droege, Sam
Because this is part of the separation of skill set, but not doesn't have to
be.
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Droege, Sam
Umm the sole?
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Droege, Sam
Umm, the solar identification character and you'll see it's can be just tough
to see in apicalis and concinna can trick you into whether it has it or not. So
what we're looking at is up here. Here's T1. Here's TT two and it's that area
right there. And it doesn't show up really well. Usually it shows up, I think
of it as a slightly grayer patch.
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Droege, Sam
Mike, you why I'm doing this. You wanna talk a little bit about it?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, you've got it. I mean, I think it's looking.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
The good Sammy got the whole thing exposed and you know in some cases T1 or
actually the the whole abdomen kind of gets compressed in at one can hide or
partly hide that fovea.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So you got to work sometimes work hard to see it, but that's a good. That's a
good image right there. That's what you're looking for and.
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Droege, Sam
It's not really that dramatic. That's the thing. Again, when you're you're
looking for these things. This is useful so that you see that you're all this
other kind of structure, the pits and all kinds of things sort of fades away
and adjust as this very Gray area. I suppose it's full of microscopic hairs. I
don't really know. Do you know, have you looked?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah, it is.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know if the microscopic, but they're very dense and short. And yeah,
they're showing up pretty good there.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so there it is in Rotonda data another character on rotom data. That's
helpful and we'll we'll contrast this with apicalis. The Clypeal rim is
straight across. I don't think we need to show that because it's the lack of
what we're gonna see in apicalis and also, oh, there we go.
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Droege, Sam
Umm. And so yeah, you'd be ohh so you can see how it highlights differently.
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Droege, Sam
And then when we look?
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Droege, Sam
One of the characters.
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Droege, Sam
That.
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Droege, Sam
I use is. If we look on the abdomen.
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Droege, Sam
Here.
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Droege, Sam
On and this is a good character in general to look for and look at in any mega,
Kylie is the presence. It's possibly not gonna show up well. Let me go to the other
specimen.
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Droege, Sam
This one is a stretched out, so to speak. It's the characters are there, but
this is more this other specimen is more of a natural look to it.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, in the in the Midwest, you see about 100 real time data for every
consonant or apicalis other two species that are very uncommon here.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah, Ditto. Ditto in the east. So apicalis as would probably will talk
about is a central area specialist. And so you'll find it on map weeds. I don't
know if it really does the star, the Yellow star map weed that's way out West.
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Droege, Sam
But it's on spotted knapweed and I just associate it with.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, really? Like along railroad tracks? Big urban areas, really. Kind of highly
disturbed areas that I have giant patches of knapweed in and near metropolitan
areas.
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Droege, Sam
That match your.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, so then we've had there. I have seen so few Midwestern apicalis.
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Droege, Sam
Oh, interesting, yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And no host records from any of them, so I don't I don't know. And Centauri,
Matt. And despite an athlete is very common.
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Droege, Sam
Huh. OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Reader. So I don't know.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I think all of mine have come from there and I think I was talking maybe
to Terry Griswold, and I think it's thought it's a known or thought to be known
specialist from Europe on that group.
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Droege, Sam
Which of course where all the spotted nap leaves and things come from. So
another character here and this is going to be a contrast with the cancilla or
what is it pusillus, what's the?
0:20:58.530 --> 0:21:0.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think, yeah, I think that's the new name.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So which we'll get to in a second. So here's.
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Droege, Sam
The T23 or yeah, this is four and five, but you can see these thick, dark
hairs, these thick dark CT to hairs. I'm not sure which they would be called
here along the sides that are are black and so apicalis and roton data have
that and concinna basically does not have any of that there. There might be a
very few.
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Droege, Sam
And use it more up here, not on the lateral sides in container, but I don't
think I've ever seen any on 3 for example.
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Droege, Sam
So, Umm, that's another good character. And then and we'll see in.
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Droege, Sam
We'll see in apicalis that.
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Droege, Sam
When?
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Droege, Sam
You look at the sternites. I'm taking the same roton data and I'm turning it on
its side to show you that the scopal hairs are all white.
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Droege, Sam
Until you get to S6.
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Droege, Sam
So Essix would be here, white everything is white. There might be a very few
here possibly, but in apicalis this is all gonna be black. And then there'll be
a little black rim of them here. Now the other part is, though, APICALIS has
this great character.
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Droege, Sam
So I'm going to shift now. I wonder if we can see the little.
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Droege, Sam
Umm, spot. You can kind of vaguely see it here, but.
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Droege, Sam
Again, it's not something that leaps out, so I'm gonna ships to apicalis, if
that's OK with everyone.
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Droege, Sam
So this is the one I don't see many of these either, but I do pretty much
recall seeing them all in these super beat up areas with spotted on spotted
knapweed.
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Droege, Sam
But they're like train station or train yard in.
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Droege, Sam
Cumberland, MD. Or something like that. Like the worst, the worst of the worst.
0:23:18.930 --> 0:23:24.320
Droege, Sam
Uh, sort of areas or downtown Baltimore in the industrial area?
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Droege, Sam
All right.
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Droege, Sam
This is Mary White.
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Droege, Sam
And I might take that down. But what we're looking at is a male.
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Droege, Sam
And I just want you to see.
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Droege, Sam
It's a little bit.
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Droege, Sam
Dark the the legs are a little bit in the way.
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Droege, Sam
Here but.
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Droege, Sam
Here's uh. Yeah, that was my finger. This is S6. Here's S5, and you can see
it's all black hairs. And then S4 is mostly white, but there's often a a rim of
black hairs in there, too.
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Droege, Sam
The Gimme on this one though, is the clipeus.
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Droege, Sam
Most.
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Maffei, Clare J
So say you just said that you had a mail there and that you were pulling API
countless.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's female.
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Droege, Sam
It's a female, alright?
0:24:18.60 --> 0:24:20.490
Maffei, Clare J
That was females and it was apicalis, yes.
0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:20.970
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Maffei, Clare J
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Yep, a female.
0:24:29.450 --> 0:24:30.610
Droege, Sam
So.
0:24:31.730 --> 0:24:38.10
Droege, Sam
On the rim of the clipeus, let's see if I can get this to show or seeing.
0:24:39.570 --> 0:24:44.940
Droege, Sam
That should should be good. I'll try and change the angle. So here's a clipeus
that I've got the.
0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:56.790
Droege, Sam
Umm. Crosshairs on slightly out of focus. And here's this point to the rim of
the clippie as and I don't think there's any pits or anything on this but.
0:24:57.690 --> 0:25:6.240
Droege, Sam
All the other the other two that are in North America would be straight across
or maybe very slightly concave, but this has this very noticeable.
0:25:6.970 --> 0:25:14.500
Droege, Sam
Pointy triangle blunt triangle sticking out on the front. I'm going to change
the angle a little bit.
0:25:15.210 --> 0:25:18.110
Droege, Sam
So where have you collected yours, Mike, or seen seen?
0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Let's get down downtown Saint Louis.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, just yeah.
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Droege, Sam
OK. So and this ribbon.
0:25:23.20 --> 0:25:24.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh yeah, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Urban thing.
0:25:27.290 --> 0:25:34.20
Droege, Sam
I think they must. I I think like I don't think I have ever. I also we also
have tons of.
0:25:36.530 --> 0:25:38.740
Droege, Sam
I spotted knapweed in.
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Droege, Sam
Areas in the countryside, along roads and things.
0:25:42.450 --> 0:25:44.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh that that that looks good. That's looking good.
0:25:45.130 --> 0:25:54.70
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And we, I I don't think I've ever gotten apicalis on those. It's always
been in cities and same with consent. Apple scilla.
0:25:55.230 --> 0:26:0.0
Droege, Sam
So here we go. Point on there. So that gives it away with the.
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Droege, Sam
The bands of hairs under Neath, the scopal hairs on the Stern Nights, has
apicalis, but there's a couple other good characters. If you looked along the
sides on the tourguides, you'd also see black hairs coming out there.
0:26:14.700 --> 0:26:23.710
Droege, Sam
And unless Mike, you wanna see, or anyone else wants to see anything else,
we'll move to the concina. Pusilla. I think it's pusilla.
0:26:24.900 --> 0:26:40.880
Droege, Sam
Specimen, we're we're stumbling. I haven't shifted. I'm not 100% sure that I
believe that the specimens we have are all pusilla, although I'm leaning that
way from a revision or at least a paper that was done.
0:26:41.550 --> 0:27:1.230
Droege, Sam
By can't remember his name on the group on Europe and then he he mentioned that
he had seen specimens from the US and they conformed not to what we have been
calling it, which was concinna, but to this other species that group as a
whole, I think.
0:27:2.240 --> 0:27:8.420
Droege, Sam
For many species that are in Europe and North Africa are also tricky for
everybody.
0:27:9.960 --> 0:27:11.490
Droege, Sam
OK so.
0:27:13.90 --> 0:27:20.760
Droege, Sam
Now concinna. Ohh, let me. I'm sorry. I am gonna go back and I'll show you how
relatively difficult it is.
0:27:21.980 --> 0:27:23.810
Droege, Sam
To see the UM.
0:27:24.780 --> 0:27:26.180
Droege, Sam
Fulvia on the.
0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:32.530
Droege, Sam
You have to bend, so theoretically there's two. There's one on.
0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:38.230
Droege, Sam
S2, like in Rotunda, but actually narrower.
0:27:38.980 --> 0:28:9.70
Droege, Sam
And there's another on S3, the S31. You have to have a really pristine
specimen, so this ones got goop on the side to see that, and S2 and the S21 can
be difficult because it's narrower. So here's S1S2 is here, and I really would
have a difficult time. Maybe that's it there, pointing it out. That's probably
it. Right in that area. But let me.
0:28:9.270 --> 0:28:11.280
Droege, Sam
Let me go to another specimen.
0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:17.610
Droege, Sam
I just struggle sometimes with seeing that the point works well, but the.
0:28:18.990 --> 0:28:19.710
Droege, Sam
To.
0:28:21.940 --> 0:28:23.230
Droege, Sam
Phobia thing.
0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:29.880
Droege, Sam
On S2 and S3 are often difficult to see and so.
0:28:29.70 --> 0:28:35.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, you know, when I get a a specimen like that, Sam and I know it's you
trick period. Because of the sternal.
0:28:38.210 --> 0:28:38.620
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:28:46.70 --> 0:28:46.440
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:28:48.430 --> 0:28:48.910
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah.
0:28:36.210 --> 0:28:53.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sternal fascia and if it if the phobia are really obscure, I mean and then I I
check a couple other things. The the hind basic Tarsis assuming you have roton
data specimens, you can convince you then you can compare if you're not sure
about the fovea.
0:28:54.130 --> 0:28:58.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Then you can you can compare it against Groton data.
0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:4.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then there's a couple other things that will help. Ohh that's that's
sufficiently obscure right there.
0:29:5.440 --> 0:29:26.380
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So here it is again with the lovely point and it will also contrast says
Mike had some good characters that we'll look at too that look at the relative
distances of the compound eye to the vertex and compound eye to the aselli and
these basic tarsal, which are basically comparative things.
0:29:26.550 --> 0:29:29.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, you almost have to have both both species.
0:29:29.270 --> 0:29:49.180
Droege, Sam
Yeah, but here it's just I I I have spent a lot of time kind of looking for
these vague they're there in a really good specimen. But like here it's really
difficult for me looking at this picture of something that surely is apicalis
and finding those fovea.
0:29:50.290 --> 0:29:50.640
Droege, Sam
So.
0:29:52.190 --> 0:30:0.740
Droege, Sam
Just pointing out that you don't necessarily have to see the Fulvia, although
it is usually worth some spending some time looking for them.
0:30:1.980 --> 0:30:2.980
Droege, Sam
OK so.
0:30:4.700 --> 0:30:8.620
Droege, Sam
Uh, consent. And then we'll contrast this with rotund data.
0:30:9.690 --> 0:30:12.800
Droege, Sam
And look at in particular the.
0:30:13.20 --> 0:30:13.340
Droege, Sam
No.
0:30:14.90 --> 0:30:16.50
Droege, Sam
Characteristics of.
0:30:16.830 --> 0:30:20.400
Droege, Sam
That Mike was talking about in his key of the.
0:30:22.340 --> 0:30:23.700
Droege, Sam
Metrics on the head.
0:30:24.870 --> 0:30:26.460
Droege, Sam
And also.
0:30:31.740 --> 0:30:31.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:30:28.270 --> 0:30:41.800
Droege, Sam
The bees of tarsal once, but you need a collection. That's why we emphasize a
lot of times like you and you can get specimens from us. We have a whole bunch
of surplus that we give away.
0:30:42.790 --> 0:30:55.680
Droege, Sam
I'm going to knock down the power on here, but what I want you to notice is
that there's a real lack of dark hair throughout any spines throughout that
area. But let me.
0:30:57.710 --> 0:30:59.90
Droege, Sam
Have the power.
0:30:59.750 --> 0:31:0.580
Droege, Sam
Go down.
0:31:4.280 --> 0:31:5.150
Droege, Sam
Here we go.
0:31:7.330 --> 0:31:12.320
Droege, Sam
Light is very bright. To get brighter there we go darker.
0:31:12.690 --> 0:31:13.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, it's not.
0:31:14.790 --> 0:31:16.90
Droege, Sam
Maybe a tiny bit more.
0:31:17.300 --> 0:31:18.240
Droege, Sam
OK, now.
0:31:28.110 --> 0:31:28.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
3/6.
0:31:22.20 --> 0:31:47.80
Droege, Sam
OK, so you can see the hair is better here is S6 and even this segment on the
other two, yeah, T6 even on this segment, there's a lot fewer of the dark hairs
on there than in rotund data and apicalis. You can see some hooking up the
sides here, but you can't really see any on these and they are all over the
place.
0:31:49.610 --> 0:31:49.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:31:47.970 --> 0:31:52.220
Droege, Sam
And the other other species maybe, maybe there's a couple there on.
0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:57.580
Droege, Sam
Uh T5. So that's another ancillary one.
0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:4.480
Droege, Sam
Mike. And then underneath it's just similar to Rotonda data, which is all
white.
0:32:6.640 --> 0:32:7.610
Droege, Sam
Except for.
0:32:8.340 --> 0:32:9.190
Droege, Sam
S6.
0:32:10.940 --> 0:32:11.610
Droege, Sam
Also.
0:32:12.310 --> 0:32:26.860
Droege, Sam
There are no fovea. Theoretically on T2 and three, although like Mike puts in
his key, sometimes you can kind of see something that looks like it might be.
0:32:27.860 --> 0:32:32.670
Droege, Sam
But it's never clear like rotund data would be and.
0:32:34.0 --> 0:32:38.970
Droege, Sam
So it's frustrating because if you have a specimen like these are a little bit
goopy.
0:32:40.150 --> 0:32:43.100
Droege, Sam
Then it can really make seeing the.
0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:45.140
Droege, Sam
The.
0:32:45.950 --> 0:32:53.210
Droege, Sam
Umm fovea on the abdomen? Difficult. So, Mike, you wanna talk about the
measurements on the assally here?
0:32:55.220 --> 0:32:55.420
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:57.520
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:32:54.890 --> 0:32:59.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, between from the back the the upper.
0:33:0.170 --> 0:33:0.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And.
0:33:1.420 --> 0:33:1.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Of the.
0:33:3.620 --> 0:33:10.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Actual eye and then the distance from that edge to the edge of the vertex.
0:33:10.420 --> 0:33:10.760
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:33:11.30 --> 0:33:14.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's different in Groton data and concinna.
0:33:15.910 --> 0:33:17.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Or what we're calling consider.
0:33:18.80 --> 0:33:19.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ones one shorted ones longer.
0:33:22.340 --> 0:33:22.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:33:16.990 --> 0:33:34.460
Droege, Sam
So here's the books center. Yeah, we'll call it consented for convenience. So
this is the short one. And somewhere I think it Mikee. It says roughly papish
on there. And then I will now shift this to a rotund data specimen.
0:33:39.90 --> 0:33:42.540
Droege, Sam
And we'll look at the head on this one.
0:34:2.70 --> 0:34:2.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that's good thing.
0:34:3.580 --> 0:34:4.160
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:34:6.360 --> 0:34:18.590
Droege, Sam
I could make that a little darker. Maybe I'll shift it a little bit more, but
here this distance is much more equal to that, but let me rotate the head a
little bit so.
0:34:19.350 --> 0:34:20.390
Droege, Sam
Have a little bit better.
0:34:21.670 --> 0:34:26.660
Droege, Sam
You'll be doing this by hand for each for each of the distances, because we're
not in the.
0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:29.130
Droege, Sam
Clean of the.
0:34:30.510 --> 0:34:31.820
Droege, Sam
Head sometimes.
0:34:36.50 --> 0:34:36.540
Droege, Sam
So.
0:34:49.650 --> 0:34:50.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And rotund data.
0:34:51.780 --> 0:34:53.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:34:37.550 --> 0:34:54.220
Droege, Sam
Here's this distance that what Mike was talking about, so I to vertex and then
I to the celli and these are roughly equal, whereas in yeah. And wrote this is
rotund data in a lot less.
0:34:56.500 --> 0:34:57.110
Droege, Sam
So.
0:34:58.460 --> 0:35:3.510
Droege, Sam
Like you want to talk about your other character with the basic tarsi and I'm
set.
0:35:2.180 --> 0:35:4.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, the the the basic tarsi.
0:35:5.910 --> 0:35:24.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, once you've looked at a, a lot of female mega Kylie from of all
different species. The basic tarsi is broadened variously in many, if not most
of them. And it's an interesting character to use, not just with these two here
but others. But anyway the basic tarsy in roton data.
0:35:25.780 --> 0:35:29.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is a little narrower than it is in consona, but.
0:35:45.70 --> 0:35:45.640
Droege, Sam
So here.
0:35:46.660 --> 0:35:46.880
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:35:30.210 --> 0:35:47.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
What does that mean? Until you really see both or or have an image or drawing
or both. If you don't, that's what does that really mean? But it's real. I've
looked at a lot enough specimens that I'm convinced now that it's a pretty
useful character. It's not dramatic, but it's measurable.
0:35:48.890 --> 0:36:7.240
Droege, Sam
Yeah, right. So you can't come up with a here's how you tell this from that.
But in comparison. So these are particularly rotund data. You would have a ton
of specimens almost automatically, almost anyone who's doing this would. So
there's the hind one. And I think you said the mid one also is.
0:36:7.780 --> 0:36:9.350
Droege, Sam
Umm narrower?
0:36:10.220 --> 0:36:11.840
Droege, Sam
If I remember right, is that right?
0:36:15.750 --> 0:36:16.20
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:17.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, you're. I did I. Yeah. That's right. I always think of the hind makes
the tarsus as the one to look at. But you're right.
0:36:17.270 --> 0:36:27.620
Droege, Sam
This one I'm not gonna bother to reset this one, but uh, because this one sort
of tucked in, but let's now shift to the a concinna one.
0:36:28.720 --> 0:36:36.880
Droege, Sam
So let me put my things in the proper places and see if this one is got this
one. Looks like it has.
0:36:37.580 --> 0:36:38.470
Droege, Sam
Legs out.
0:36:50.230 --> 0:36:50.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's there.
0:36:47.470 --> 0:36:51.720
Droege, Sam
And are we looking at, we're looking at the mid basic tarps there.
0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:55.320
Droege, Sam
I think are we looking at the hind?
0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:0.350
Droege, Sam
So which was the wider one, the consent one?
0:37:0.400 --> 0:37:1.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Consent is narrower.
0:37:2.350 --> 0:37:5.570
Droege, Sam
OK. Which was good because I was thinking that looks narrower.
0:37:6.500 --> 0:37:6.820
Droege, Sam
Check.
0:37:8.160 --> 0:37:10.510
Droege, Sam
I had them reversed in my mind. So there you go so.
0:37:10.590 --> 0:37:10.940
Droege, Sam
No.
0:37:12.620 --> 0:37:13.660
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I mean.
0:37:14.310 --> 0:37:17.160
Droege, Sam
Definitely looks narrow even I noticed.
0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:18.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh, wait a minute. No, no, I I I'm sorry. I got that mixed up.
0:37:19.370 --> 0:37:19.800
Droege, Sam
Oh.
0:37:29.700 --> 0:37:30.70
Droege, Sam
With.
0:37:20.460 --> 0:37:30.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's should be broader in consonant unless unless I messed up when I when
I edited the key. Now you got me wondering if I switched accidentally switched
them.
0:37:38.420 --> 0:37:38.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it worked.
0:37:41.430 --> 0:37:43.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, OK. Ohh there you go.
0:37:44.210 --> 0:37:45.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, I.
0:37:46.700 --> 0:37:48.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's slightly broader.
0:37:31.130 --> 0:37:52.360
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'm not sure because I thought I I I went through your key on these
characters. Let me. I'm talking to the other side and it worked well. Ohh.
Maybe I was just looking at it the edge. So here's here is a better shot. And
because I I sort of validated it there so.
0:37:53.140 --> 0:38:16.510
Droege, Sam
So again, how do you you could come up with some kind of length width thing,
but you'd have to have a measuring reticule. And so this is just how I think.
Both Mike and I like to do things. You have several characters and some are.
Some are comparative. Sometimes you talk about habitats and sometimes you talk
about times of year that.
0:38:17.710 --> 0:38:20.430
Droege, Sam
You so you can put together a.
0:38:21.530 --> 0:38:22.740
Droege, Sam
What would you call it? A?
0:38:24.60 --> 0:38:31.120
Droege, Sam
I have proof based on a variety of characters. What is that called?
0:38:31.420 --> 0:38:31.870
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:35.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, me too.
0:38:33.490 --> 0:38:46.690
Droege, Sam
I forgetting, but anyway you have a a whole several, several lines of evidence
for this, and it's useful to have comparative ones, because sometimes you do
have have comparisons on it.
0:38:48.80 --> 0:38:52.340
Droege, Sam
And it's often not that straightforward.
0:38:53.480 --> 0:39:1.880
Droege, Sam
Particularly when you're starting out and you don't have specimens, is there
anything else we want to see in that the that group?
0:39:0.770 --> 0:39:3.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right. I think that's, I think that's it.
0:39:3.590 --> 0:39:16.20
Droege, Sam
OK. Yeah, almost. Everything's gonna be roton data. You'll have messed up
specimens where you have goop on the abdomen and you'll want to look elsewhere.
0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.630
Droege, Sam
To confirm what they are.
0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:46.950
Droege, Sam
Some of these other characters OK before you go start leaping to like ohh it's
concinna or something like that. So let's go back to Mikes key here and now
we're gonna get into the dark haired group. So we passed through a couple dark
haired species sculpture Alice so there's only I think 5. So sculpture Allis
would be added to this group.
0:39:47.990 --> 0:40:17.190
Droege, Sam
It has a whole bunch of other very obvious characters, and so I look appointees
would be in that black, largely black scopal hairs group, and we've covered
that because it's almost entirely black. And then you have the this little
group of three and we cover this a little bit differently in the discover life.
I think I'm more reflecting some of Mitch old work. So it'll be fun to talk
about that too. But let's go through mikes here and I'm sadly, I don't have
music.
0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:21.290
Droege, Sam
But I do have a melon aphia and.
0:40:23.190 --> 0:40:24.620
Droege, Sam
And uh, genuine.
0:40:25.40 --> 0:40:26.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Does musika occur over there?
0:40:25.950 --> 0:40:31.270
Droege, Sam
So might you wanna speak speak about those things while I'm lining the specimen
up?
0:40:31.950 --> 0:40:33.630
Droege, Sam
We'll go to the Clippers. I guess first.
0:40:34.530 --> 0:40:39.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah. These are three species, Jamila Mustafa melanonychia that.
0:40:40.560 --> 0:41:5.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Are really easily confused. Well, there's some geographic differences that's
sort of helped depending on where you are, but in general to the naked eye,
these three look very much alike. It's roughly the same size. There are no
white hair bands on the tergites, so that the abdomen and dorsal view is mostly
dark. There aren't nice white hair bands like most of the other.
0:41:6.390 --> 0:41:8.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Maybe daily species we've looked at possess.
0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:11.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And these are fairly good size.
0:41:13.50 --> 0:41:15.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
1213 fourteen millimeters there abouts.
0:41:16.900 --> 0:41:18.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
All ground nesters.
0:41:28.470 --> 0:41:28.710
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:41:21.890 --> 0:41:32.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the clypeus and all of them is pretty, you know, it's pretty broad and flat
in general in general. And the mandibles are big.
0:41:33.330 --> 0:41:34.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very wide, ethically.
0:41:36.460 --> 0:41:39.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's pretty distinctive group among the three of them.
0:41:41.580 --> 0:42:6.560
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So I will get back to the Clippy assets thing because you have jemila,
which we're looking at now as being relatively flat and either I'm not looking
at Jamila. But I think your other characters line up with it or I'm not
interpreting that well. But we could start with the this is one that I didn't
know, which is looking at the base of tarsal hairs.
0:42:10.570 --> 0:42:10.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:42:7.470 --> 0:42:11.750
Droege, Sam
Which is a pretty cool one, so here's the.
0:42:15.0 --> 0:42:15.220
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:42:12.170 --> 0:42:24.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In general, of the hairs are short, so and and no wider actually than the width
of the. The actual personal segment itself and the other two the hairs are
considerably longer.
0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that, yeah, that's gotta be Jamila.
0:42:28.70 --> 0:42:29.260
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So.
0:42:29.730 --> 0:42:43.250
Droege, Sam
Uh, so in the others you and we'll see them on the militia. They hairs that
Mike has pointed out these hairs are so long that they're about the length, not
the width. These are only about the width.
0:42:44.210 --> 0:42:46.370
Droege, Sam
So that's a good character.
0:42:46.790 --> 0:42:56.700
Droege, Sam
I you know this is something that Mitchell used, but you don't mention. So I'm
wondering if you are thinking about it differently or you just found your own
path.
0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:27.70
Droege, Sam
And that is one that I use a lot, which is the presence of light colored
yellowish hair is usually here at the base of the cheek and then along the edge
of the front coxa, and particularly in my area, we have a lot of music up. And
Jamila they they both occur, for example, right here on the research station.
These would all be dark and these would all be dark. But.
0:43:27.410 --> 0:43:28.900
Droege, Sam
Do you have thoughts on that or?
0:43:31.60 --> 0:43:38.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
What I've looked at at Jamila from enough areas I I just see enough variation
that just makes me.
0:43:38.810 --> 0:43:44.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, you know, I mean, it's useful character. I it's just, I don't think it.
0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.390
Droege, Sam
It's not absolute. OK.
0:43:48.500 --> 0:43:48.740
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:49.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it doesn't seem like it, but it's, but it's still useful. I mean, it
helped. You know, it's some.
0:43:50.960 --> 0:44:0.640
Droege, Sam
So I'm also in, I believe, in Mitchell. He talks a lot about and we included in
the Discover Life keys. He talks a lot about the architecture of the mandibles.
0:44:1.780 --> 0:44:2.430
Droege, Sam
And.
0:44:3.760 --> 0:44:7.560
Droege, Sam
The in particular, but see the problem is is that particularly for us.
0:44:8.220 --> 0:44:9.630
Droege, Sam
We don't spread.
0:44:10.500 --> 0:44:23.480
Droege, Sam
Are mandibles, so he's talking about whether the last tooth or basically the
whole, we might be able to see it here the whole back.
0:44:24.240 --> 0:44:28.50
Droege, Sam
Rear section so the the section closest to the clipeus.
0:44:28.770 --> 0:44:46.10
Droege, Sam
And what the shape is there? Umm, it's a little dark, but basically in one and
I we can flip to discover life here. And this is sort of Mitchell's thing. We
can maybe lighten this area up some to you're looking at.
0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:47.980
Droege, Sam
The.
0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:55.140
Droege, Sam
Back Edge, where it turns back. So in one species and I'm forgetting which one.
0:44:56.250 --> 0:45:20.80
Droege, Sam
The there's basically a shelf here. It's flattened across, and then there's a
tooth and the other that tooth, the cutting edge. Sorry, let me rephrase that.
So there's a flattened area before you come to the angle that turns back on the
mandible and then you have a cutting edge. And then the other two species, you
have a cutting edge that leaves the back edge as a point.
0:45:20.900 --> 0:45:26.900
Droege, Sam
I'm gonna shift and try and get the lighting a little bit lighter here cause
maybe we can see that in janula but.
0:45:27.980 --> 0:45:30.600
Droege, Sam
What do you think about that, Mike, have you just?
0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:32.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, alright. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. Yeah, definitely.
0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:33.620
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:45:33.390 --> 0:45:35.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But like you said, it's it I mean.
0:45:36.240 --> 0:45:36.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:38.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, you have the mandibles are.
0:45:39.410 --> 0:45:42.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally visible. You can think you're seeing one thing when you're maybe not.
0:45:42.250 --> 0:45:53.80
Droege, Sam
Right, so this is always the area that's most hidden and a lot of times you can
make up stories is the problem. So that's why it's good to have several
different.
0:45:55.720 --> 0:45:55.990
Droege, Sam
Oops.
0:45:59.190 --> 0:46:1.650
Droege, Sam
Ways of splitting these species apart.
0:46:5.890 --> 0:46:14.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So of those three species, Melanonychia genella muscida genitalia is really
widespread. I mean, it's from Canada down to.
0:46:16.190 --> 0:46:22.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
All great play. It's very widespread. The other two, Lisa, my experience are
more geographically restricted.
0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:27.690
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:31.690
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:46:24.190 --> 0:46:40.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No one Afia tends to be more northern and then overlap. Overlap overlaps with
JANULA, but to some extent, but it's you're way up north in the Upper Peninsula
and north further north. And that melon alpha is common, but if you're down in
Illinois or.
0:46:43.770 --> 0:46:43.930
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:46:42.0 --> 0:46:44.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You won't find that enough here, so there is some.
0:46:45.330 --> 0:46:45.570
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:46:45.130 --> 0:46:46.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Geography helps a little bit.
0:46:47.760 --> 0:47:0.850
Droege, Sam
Yeah, uh, team in the in the East, we don't see no mafia down here at all. You
get a little bit further north into New York and things you can start picking
them up so here.
0:47:2.730 --> 0:47:2.960
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:47:0.10 --> 0:47:3.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And is in the mountains, in the mountains. If you run across it, OK.
0:47:3.930 --> 0:47:4.270
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:47:8.890 --> 0:47:9.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh OK.
0:47:5.520 --> 0:47:36.90
Droege, Sam
So, but not even in the mountains in Maryland, like we have no records, even
though we do have the plateau there. And Garrett County. So here is this what I
was talking about this I think. I think this figure here. So here's this
plateau before the corner and then the cutting edge is in front. So there's
this big section there again. If this is the mandibles are can often be hidden
there might be goop there there might be slightly recessed under that so you
might be left guessing.
0:47:36.230 --> 0:47:37.870
Droege, Sam
And the alternatives are.
0:47:39.260 --> 0:48:1.990
Droege, Sam
These kinds of situations where this cutting edge and the bend in the mandible
form more of a point. We go back to our Jimmy let's batsmen well you know ohh
there's also hairs back there and it's dark and I can't get enough light. So
what really is going on there is a little bit difficult to say.
0:48:2.610 --> 0:48:5.960
Droege, Sam
But we have these other characters to go on.
0:48:6.940 --> 0:48:9.990
Droege, Sam
So M1 of the the thing that was.
0:48:11.710 --> 0:48:21.840
Droege, Sam
I I had the most problem with his in your key. You mentioned that the clipeus
on here is on the gemla is relatively convex.
0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:24.730
Droege, Sam
Weekly, OK.
0:48:21.490 --> 0:48:35.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, as I said weekly and it it it very, it is, you know again we're talking
real subtleties here comparatively comparatively to to Mel and Alpha and
Muscida, it seems to me weekly.
0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:38.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Convex.
0:48:38.410 --> 0:48:38.720
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:48:39.230 --> 0:48:40.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
To my way of thinking.
0:48:40.610 --> 0:48:41.640
Droege, Sam
Uh-huh. OK.
0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:46.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But you know, probably until you see the alternatives you could think of it as
being flat.
0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:48.840
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:48:49.830 --> 0:49:3.240
Droege, Sam
Yep, that's right. The subtlety of having specimens. So there's just a lateral.
You can see it's mostly hair, so it's hard to hard to detect when we flip it
over and look at it from above, it's.
0:49:4.450 --> 0:49:6.390
Droege, Sam
Hopefully that means that we're still talking.
0:49:8.960 --> 0:49:9.510
Droege, Sam
That.
0:49:10.990 --> 0:49:12.40
Droege, Sam
We.
0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:15.170
Droege, Sam
It's hard to see that are any architecture there.
0:49:18.720 --> 0:49:20.450
Droege, Sam
So in terms of convex or not.
0:49:21.750 --> 0:49:22.220
Droege, Sam
Anyway.
0:49:23.470 --> 0:49:26.640
Droege, Sam
More convex then back here.
0:49:28.830 --> 0:49:33.900
Droege, Sam
You'll see that the skewed Umm, if I remember right in your key is.
0:49:34.670 --> 0:49:35.280
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:49:39.570 --> 0:49:39.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
What?
0:49:41.220 --> 0:49:41.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I.
0:49:37.310 --> 0:49:43.170
Droege, Sam
Is it milk? I can't remember. Now, is it supposed to be all white? I far as
there some hairs in there or all.
0:49:42.910 --> 0:49:44.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I you know, I didn't use any.
0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:48.450
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:49:49.220 --> 0:49:49.510
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:49:45.590 --> 0:49:49.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, I don't think I did it. Any skeletal characters of the hairs?
0:49:50.620 --> 0:49:53.530
Droege, Sam
Right. Uh but T2?
0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:55.630
Droege, Sam
And here.
0:49:56.390 --> 0:50:3.140
Droege, Sam
And T1 there's differences between the it's little bit difficult cause the.
0:50:3.860 --> 0:50:9.130
Droege, Sam
Uh, because these hairs here are coming off of the back of the scutellum.
0:50:9.790 --> 0:50:39.240
Droege, Sam
But the the pattern of hairs T1 and T2. So this is very different from other
Megachile, right? So we're almost right away. You have another Ave to like.
Ohh, we're not looking at the normal kinds of mega Kylie because the others
would all have white hair bands across all these segments or almost all of them
would. And this is all solid yellow hair on both. But some of the species and
we can look here at the discover life.
0:50:40.20 --> 0:50:44.910
Droege, Sam
Most of T2 with pale hairs, but brown hairs usually lined the rim and.
0:50:45.580 --> 0:50:50.850
Droege, Sam
I think you were key has some hair characteristics in there too.
0:50:59.290 --> 0:51:0.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right, right.
0:50:52.440 --> 0:51:5.790
Droege, Sam
Ohh you ohh. You're using mucida versus melon afea as dark hair as versus all
pale hairs on the skewed and janula is being told by the Nice characters on the
bezel Tarsis.
0:51:7.840 --> 0:51:8.480
Droege, Sam
So.
0:51:9.770 --> 0:51:17.20
Droege, Sam
Uh, let's maybe we'll shift. I don't have the Musetta I'm they're all at the
museum where I've given them away.
0:51:17.590 --> 0:51:25.710
Droege, Sam
Umm, and since they're not one that I have a whole lot of trouble telling, I
have sadly not kept any of the females.
0:51:26.940 --> 0:51:27.470
Droege, Sam
So.
0:51:31.450 --> 0:51:31.640
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:51:27.50 --> 0:51:31.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, I I. Another thing to note with this trio of species here is.
0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:38.120
Droege, Sam
Hello.
0:51:32.140 --> 0:51:45.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh Melanonychia has several subspecies, and all based on hair color, and so
it's variable and that used to drive me crazy when I was first starting to try
to learn these things.
0:51:47.350 --> 0:51:49.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so.
0:51:50.900 --> 0:51:52.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The the sternal pairs.
0:51:53.910 --> 0:51:55.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Can vary a lot in color.
0:51:55.870 --> 0:51:56.80
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:51:57.70 --> 0:52:3.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
From from really black to kind of have a of cranberry or you know?
0:52:4.300 --> 0:52:5.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Kind of a red colored.
0:52:6.740 --> 0:52:7.30
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:52:6.850 --> 0:52:8.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it can be it can drive you nuts.
0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:19.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:52:26.820 --> 0:52:27.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
0:52:9.820 --> 0:52:40.30
Droege, Sam
Right. And I've seen that too. So I've seen things that I was almost certain
were that species, but they had all black hairs and and then this amount of
orangish, yellow, reddish hair in there, which is sort of it's sort of blends
in, it's not very distinct. It's not like a certain band or I'm this color but
not that color often it's just a wash of hair. This one is a pretty extreme in
terms of the amount.
0:52:40.350 --> 0:52:40.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No.
0:52:40.210 --> 0:52:45.880
Droege, Sam
But others it can be just a tiny little bat bit, usually towards the tip of the
abdomen.
0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:56.90
Droege, Sam
And the rest are are black, and then everyone from you just get an all black
one. So you want to look at some of these other things that Mike mentions,
which I.
0:52:57.260 --> 0:53:1.920
Droege, Sam
And is in discovery life too. But so for example.
0:53:3.10 --> 0:53:8.560
Droege, Sam
Uh, I think T1 and T2 are solid yellow. We're kind of burnt blown out here.
0:53:9.80 --> 0:53:10.590
Droege, Sam
Uh, in?
0:53:11.240 --> 0:53:19.840
Droege, Sam
This species and then the skukum hairs. I'm going to flip it, then maybe I'm
gonna lower the light level or it here.
0:53:20.860 --> 0:53:22.960
Droege, Sam
Two, because I think we're 2.
0:53:24.60 --> 0:53:24.750
Droege, Sam
Too late.
0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:36.90
Droege, Sam
Has black hairs in it and muscida which I don't have has.
0:53:39.370 --> 0:53:40.630
Droege, Sam
Has no light. Hers.
0:53:41.630 --> 0:53:53.310
Droege, Sam
Not seeing much here, but I have a feeling that if it's it is Mike mentions in
his key that it's mostly in the central area. If we turn this, we'd see that.
0:53:54.140 --> 0:53:56.170
Droege, Sam
Uh, some of those, but so go ahead and do.
0:53:58.80 --> 0:54:0.370
Droege, Sam
Dark here sometimes only show up.
0:54:1.700 --> 0:54:7.600
Droege, Sam
At certain angles, melissodes are particularly annoying this way.
0:54:12.10 --> 0:54:15.490
Droege, Sam
So there you go. You can see where near the pin.
0:54:16.350 --> 0:54:20.400
Droege, Sam
Zoom in a bit that the dark hair is now show up.
0:54:21.170 --> 0:54:29.520
Droege, Sam
There's not many, but when we look straight on, didn't see any dark hairs cause
they matched the back background integument.
0:54:31.630 --> 0:54:33.120
Droege, Sam
Such dirty specimens.
0:54:36.240 --> 0:54:37.550
Droege, Sam
Let's see. So.
0:54:39.220 --> 0:54:41.730
Droege, Sam
It's going to look and see if we have.
0:54:42.550 --> 0:54:46.840
Droege, Sam
And see the mandible characters. What else are we looking at on this species
might?
0:54:55.230 --> 0:54:56.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think you've covered.
0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:58.490
Droege, Sam
Uh, we might actually be able to see.
0:54:57.50 --> 0:55:0.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that's that. That's yeah. Yeah. That's a good shot of the mandibles there.
0:55:0.640 --> 0:55:5.350
Droege, Sam
Yeah, we might actually be able to see that it does not have the gemella like
platform.
0:55:9.10 --> 0:55:9.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's a good shot.
0:55:6.570 --> 0:55:30.980
Droege, Sam
Umm back there. Although yeah, you can see. So there's all this subtlety,
right? So here's the cutting edge really nicely illuminated with shadow. And
then you have this point and then this is backing off. But you know, you could
also is that is that a plateau there or not so.
0:55:32.180 --> 0:55:47.230
Droege, Sam
When they're talking about it, they they're accentuating that this curves back
rather than goes straight back. But you know, it's arguable. So I think using
the mandible characters you know is problematic, particularly we also get worn.
0:55:48.380 --> 0:55:57.680
Droege, Sam
Uh and become less distinct. These mandible edges can be really ground down by
all the activity at the females undergoing.
0:55:59.60 --> 0:56:9.170
Droege, Sam
But I I would not be happy with just using mandibles on this one because look
on this side too. Here's the cutting edge mirroring that one that looks pretty
Dang flat instead of.
0:56:9.790 --> 0:56:16.140
Droege, Sam
I is it? He's I think referring to just that pointed area, but it's ambiguous.
Maybe I'll.
0:56:16.930 --> 0:56:19.590
Droege, Sam
Start dialing that back out of our thing and.
0:56:20.750 --> 0:56:22.540
Droege, Sam
Adding in some more of your characters.
0:56:26.710 --> 0:56:27.630
Droege, Sam
So.
0:56:28.370 --> 0:56:33.980
Droege, Sam
Umm yeah. Let's see. The toothpaste T2 pale hair throughout.
0:56:35.340 --> 0:56:46.680
Droege, Sam
And then the cheek and the Gina hairs are all brown. We talked about that. All
these things have a little bit of variation in terms of the amount of invading
dark hairs.
0:56:47.700 --> 0:56:55.650
Droege, Sam
And there's bright orange hairs on S2 to five, but as we say, some are entirely
dark just to throw us off.
0:56:56.330 --> 0:57:12.280
Droege, Sam
And you could see how this character here. Well, you're looking at like, is
that was that a large flat area or was that this? And I wasn't certain, but
that was very clearly that species.
0:57:13.250 --> 0:57:30.940
Droege, Sam
And then in Mikes section here, then nice character is the dark hairs
separating it from the the pale hairs here. But these two species sort of, we
could flip here to discover life. I don't think they overlap that much.
0:57:31.350 --> 0:57:33.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I I don't think so.
0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:38.250
Droege, Sam
But you have to be, you know, that's the thing about keys you have to cover.
0:57:39.340 --> 0:57:40.790
Droege, Sam
All the possibilities.
0:57:42.550 --> 0:57:45.660
Droege, Sam
Even if it's like uh doesn't matter because they don't overlap.
0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:50.470
Droege, Sam
You said, uh, and then we'll also put in mega Kylie.
0:57:50.990 --> 0:57:52.450
Droege, Sam
Uh, let's see if I can still.
0:57:53.590 --> 0:57:53.870
Droege, Sam
No.
0:57:55.330 --> 0:57:56.620
Droege, Sam
Is it a A?
0:57:56.770 --> 0:57:57.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:57:57.710 --> 0:58:5.810
Droege, Sam
OK. And we click that and then we jump in and there is really interestingly
almost no overlap.
0:58:7.360 --> 0:58:18.180
Droege, Sam
Here mucida knowing Afia wow it really like there we go. There's your one,
maybe overlap and everything else is well. I don't know what that is. Is that a
mistake?
0:58:19.330 --> 0:58:20.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
0:58:19.0 --> 0:58:20.770
Droege, Sam
No, it's ours, yeah.
0:58:21.570 --> 0:58:24.80
Droege, Sam
Umm, so mean Washington?
0:58:25.30 --> 0:58:30.610
Droege, Sam
Uh, ohhh, it says melon fear. So that would be right. What's this?
0:58:31.300 --> 0:58:35.450
Droege, Sam
So this is how we're constantly exploring things. Alright. What's that one?
0:58:36.730 --> 0:58:43.330
Droege, Sam
Ohh, that's USDA. I think there's old. They have a bunch of things that they've
cleaned up.
0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:47.330
Droege, Sam
But that would not be almost certainly not be correct.
0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:48.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it doesn't seem like it.
0:58:50.350 --> 0:58:50.840
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:59:3.110 --> 0:59:3.440
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:59:6.560 --> 0:59:7.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh, don't use tweezers.
0:58:51.310 --> 0:59:9.210
Maffei, Clare J
We are basically at time and Shannon wanted just a quick refresher on spreading
mega Kylie mandibles. Does it have to be done right away after euthanizing to
work always have a hard time spreading the tweezers, but usually do it about an
hour or so after death.
0:59:9.730 --> 0:59:12.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And don't use tweezers. What what I do?
0:59:15.420 --> 0:59:30.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is I'm right handed, so I hold the specimen and my left hand firmly and I put
it under the scope because I can't see much anymore. And then I just take a pin
a number, usually #4, that's got pretty stout and then just.
0:59:32.90 --> 0:59:35.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Read the mandibles very carefully and very, very slowly.
0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:55.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And right away, if if you meet resistance, I stop because you don't want you
don't want to turn the head off. And so I have that second second option is to
relax the specimen which we talked about. I think when we first started the
mega Kylie section a couple of different options.
0:59:56.650 --> 1:0:7.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is, you know, the slow process is to put it in a humidor and and on 24 or 48
hours everything should be very pliable. Very easy.
1:0:12.160 --> 1:0:12.750
Droege, Sam
Boiling.
1:0:8.530 --> 1:0:15.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Then Sam had another quicker way with Steve the Steve and the boiling water,
yeah.
1:0:14.400 --> 1:0:16.820
Droege, Sam
When do we we literally would drop it.
1:0:16.370 --> 1:0:17.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Put them in the water.
1:0:17.570 --> 1:0:25.140
Droege, Sam
Like the whole with the pinned in a centrifuge tube and I would just use, you
know, what are those little?
1:0:28.620 --> 1:0:29.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
1:0:30.60 --> 1:0:30.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
1:0:25.850 --> 1:0:32.420
Droege, Sam
Little quick heating pots that you make a 1 cup of coffee. I just put in the
tube and drop it in.
1:0:33.160 --> 1:1:3.850
Droege, Sam
And then pull it back out. And if you want the specimen to look good, then you
can Reddit it after you've done whatever you've done in acetone, and then I'll
just blow it with my mouth and to good effect. But you can also, you know, you
can do the endless amounts of things you can take, paint brush and have a
little tiny blower and fluff it back up. But if it's an old specimen.
1:1:4.130 --> 1:1:7.320
Droege, Sam
Then you're fluffing back up. May also.
1:1:7.990 --> 1:1:10.60
Droege, Sam
Result in pulling off the hairs.
1:1:12.380 --> 1:1:13.90
Droege, Sam
So what?
1:1:12.290 --> 1:1:15.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So I spread. I yeah, I spread the mandibles before I pin it.
1:1:15.760 --> 1:1:16.20
Droege, Sam
Yep.
1:1:16.850 --> 1:1:17.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.
1:1:19.50 --> 1:1:19.640
Droege, Sam
So.
1:1:19.830 --> 1:1:20.410
Maffei, Clare J
OK.
1:1:20.850 --> 1:1:22.30
Droege, Sam
Yeah, and.
1:1:19.960 --> 1:1:22.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I dropped that out. Hopefully that's.
1:1:22.830 --> 1:1:24.190
Droege, Sam
Any other questions?
1:1:29.560 --> 1:1:30.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And we do like.
1:1:25.210 --> 1:1:36.490
Droege, Sam
We still have a whole bunch of other female megs to go through, so we will do
that the next time we get together, which won't be next week. But the week
after maybe. Are you gone next that week?
1:1:37.470 --> 1:1:39.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I am an Iowa teaching a workshop.
1:1:39.880 --> 1:1:40.210
Droege, Sam
OK.
1:1:41.900 --> 1:1:42.330
Droege, Sam
Right.
1:1:44.50 --> 1:1:45.70
Droege, Sam
Alright. Well, we'll figure it out.
1:1:48.300 --> 1:1:48.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alright.
1:1:46.920 --> 1:1:51.140
Maffei, Clare J
Sounds good. I'm I'm then say goodbye.
1:1:51.600 --> 1:1:53.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alright. Thank you Claire. Thanks Sam.
1:1:53.730 --> 1:1:54.450
Droege, Sam
Thanks you guys.
1:1:56.640 --> 1:1:57.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
1:1:55.670 --> 1:1:57.250
Droege, Sam
Next time 2 weeks.
1:1:58.120 --> 1:1:58.570
Droege, Sam
Maybe.