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Droege, Sam
Well, we're just hopefully wrapping up all of the rest of the some general or
the female.
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Droege, Sam
And the recording has started.
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Droege, Sam
So you guys can pick back up at you, you and Gina.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, I'm gonna flip to mikes guide and we can I can pull specimens and we
can.
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Droege, Sam
So that's the male guide.
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Droege, Sam
We want to go to the which we might.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh no.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I know that.
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Droege, Sam
I just have to.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That was, that's a female.
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Droege, Sam
I just have to make it a little bit bigger I think.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Yes, 150% would be good. Oops.
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Droege, Sam
There we go.
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Droege, Sam
That's better. Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, if we have time, I'm kind of thinking that we probably won't, but we
could get into mikes, mail keek too.
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Droege, Sam
But I think we ended, as Claire mentioned at Rack Endrina and now we're jumping
into some ugly business.
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Droege, Sam
So Mike, take it away.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But, umm, we said this last week, but the subgenera Iraq andrina UN Drina and
Thise Andrina, which will cover are, you know, lack any overall distinctive
morphology.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
At least the way I see it, they're all kind of stripped down.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Nothing fancy about them and as a result they kind of superficially look the
same, and I know we covered rack andrina last week, but I just.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I just want to mention that, umm, you know there are three species in the east.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
One of them is a specialist on Sumac, 1 specialist on morphine and the other
one I'm not sure because we don't.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't see enough of it to really know, so that would be breva.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Palplus is son sumac.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Kajaani is on Amorpha and Roberts and I I don't know Sam.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
What you think, but I just don't see it enough to really know whatever.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, I think it's on.
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Droege, Sam
I I think it's on sumac.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, OK.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
And so, umm, wait.
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Droege, Sam
Well, let me back up.
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Droege, Sam
Let's say rosaceous plants earlier in the spring.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. So.
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Droege, Sam
I'd have to go back and and review that myself so that because it's it's the
it's records are earlier than brevity pelvis.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
One of the things those three females have in common that you andrina and
Theisen andrina don't, and it's subtle, but the the the dorsal propidium the
triangle is is more coarsely sculptured than those three that crack andrias
then in U andrina and dice andrina.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it's it's not like track entering them, it's not really articulate, but
it's comparatively when you look at rack entering and look at a new endrina or
thighs endrina the.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Property and is rougher.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Let's put it that way, so that can that go ahead.
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Droege, Sam
I think of it as I was gonna say I think of it as sort of like nasonia.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Minutely wrinkled.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Kind of, you know, rather than smooth, it's definitely not smooth.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, that's good.
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Droege, Sam
So here's Robert, Sonia.
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Droege, Sam
I.
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Droege, Sam
Maybe I can go one more level.
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Droege, Sam
Oops, there we go.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, MM was saying kind of a uniform rough.
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Droege, Sam
Umm all field.
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Droege, Sam
Not a lot of change from the base to the tip and you know, topography.
0:3:51.760 --> 0:3:53.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then the tour guides are punctured.
0:3:53.350 --> 0:3:58.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I mean, it's as you can see right there it's they're weak and they're not
many of them.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But in you, Andrew, and entice Andrea, they're hardly any punctures at all.
0:4:2.880 --> 0:4:4.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But again, it's comparative.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You really have to see all three groups to to understand the the slight
differences, at least I.
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Droege, Sam
And I forget whether is it Robert Sonia that has.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
You can see sort of the the tessellation, the fingerprints, the reptilian part
more than Reva pelvis.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
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Droege, Sam
But that often can really obscure, particularly if the specimen is a little
filmy.
0:4:29.530 --> 0:4:29.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
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Droege, Sam
It can obscure the pits, cause the pits are fine.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's a good image.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's great.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
And you can see also see here's Guk all over here.
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Droege, Sam
And that's gonna obscure on all the characters like here.
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Droege, Sam
In between I'm hiding it, but you can see the pitting and it among the
tessellations.
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Droege, Sam
And then you have, as is often the case, just splotches of stuff on the surface
which also points out why is good, why you want good, clean specimens.
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Droege, Sam
If you can get them.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's where Q andrina and you did see the fascia there too, but that that's
not some of the other species in these other these other two checks, sub genre
have enough indications of fascia that it's and plus it can wear and be messed
up.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's hard to rely on that too much.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, what comes next?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, you endrina so that that cut couplet below rack andrina again is I think
we talked about this last week, I kind of apologized for it.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's kind of a lot of different characters all thrown in there if and then type
of thing.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So UN arena and the Thai sandrina that are coming next, certain groups of them
are distinctive.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So with the UN Drina, there is a group of species that have pointed Galia and
sharply pointed.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, not these are we'd all agree that they're sharply pointed if you can
see them.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And but if you can, I mean, that's right away.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Know it's this group and you andrina in the east are there are three species
here we come.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh polemonium, specialist Celia specialist and then a hydrophyllum specialist.
0:6:26.450 --> 0:6:26.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So they stand out and they also have sometimes have a little slight bluish
Sheen to them depending.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And again, it depends probably on no, not how they were treated the post
collecting.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, you know Gog, to mess that up, but if they're good specimens, you can kind
of see that slightly bluish and it's subtle, but it usually it's distinctive
enough that it's not just all dark.
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Droege, Sam
I'm gonna pull up.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's a subgroup.
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Droege, Sam
I'm gonna.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, go ahead.
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Droege, Sam
I'm gonna pull up pull money while you're talking, Mike, so.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's a subgroup of you andrina about all three of those occur in the East
and the other UN Drina, that are in the East are northern Algida.
0:7:13.180 --> 0:7:16.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And as a double scripta.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And and they're really obscure.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're all dark, and I mean in the in the Midwest, they don't occur unless
you're up in up the upper part of the Great Lakes region usually.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I don't know about the probably in the mountains I would imagine, but they
have rounded daily.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're not bluish, and so they they are the algebra comes out below.
0:7:46.410 --> 0:7:46.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, let's see.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
What else?
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Droege, Sam
Eight.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Hey, Mike, what were the other species by Palmoni?
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Droege, Sam
I can't seem to.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Cecilia direct.
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Droege, Sam
I guess I didn't keep any of OHS Celia again.
0:7:57.230 --> 0:7:57.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Yep, yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Our gerania, which is the biggest and the neatest looking really, and that's
enough in a way.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's an unfortunate species name because it's not a geranium specialist.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a specialist on hydrophilic water leaf.
0:8:16.330 --> 0:8:26.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it's one of the cooler andrina another unique, unique thing about Gerani is
the potential there the scope.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Probably of scope is almost.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's essentially absent, and you remember in some of the other earlier andrina
stuff, the scope on the propositum is like a basket, or it's very distinctive,
but with gerania eye, it's it's not there.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's here.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's hairs, but that's all.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're not modified in any kind of way.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's that's another unusual feature.
0:8:55.370 --> 0:8:55.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That species.
0:8:58.570 --> 0:8:59.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Did you find 1 SEC?
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Droege, Sam
And I, yeah, but.
0:9:2.100 --> 0:9:3.900
Droege, Sam
And I'm gonna show it here.
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Droege, Sam
All three of those species, at least where we are, are around but very
uncommon.
0:9:10.690 --> 0:9:11.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh, OK.
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Droege, Sam
We just don't have like for example, we don't have a large amounts of phacelia
and geranium I we we don't see that one hardly ever and same with Pomona, I I
don't have that.
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Droege, Sam
We don't have any records.
0:9:25.910 --> 0:9:26.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow.
0:9:25.190 --> 0:9:31.680
Droege, Sam
I thought I kept some from Delaware, where it showed up on Jacob's Ladder at
Mount Cuba.
0:9:34.260 --> 0:9:34.700
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:9:33.870 --> 0:9:36.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, they're common in the Midwest. Umm.
0:9:39.510 --> 0:9:42.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And you know, in music force kind of situations.
0:9:46.700 --> 0:9:47.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And streambanks.
0:9:49.780 --> 0:9:52.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But what I what I would call natural habitats?
0:9:52.440 --> 0:9:54.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're not weedy, Andreas at all.
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Droege, Sam
Right.
0:9:54.430 --> 0:9:58.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're you pretty much have to go to a nice quality have attached to find
them.
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Droege, Sam
You even in this, even in this out of focus, you can see the Sheen of blue
green metallic.
0:10:7.930 --> 0:10:9.810
Droege, Sam
For this the cilia.
0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:14.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is that from Maryland?
0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.320
Droege, Sam
Umm, I think it's from Tennessee or North Carolina.
0:10:19.330 --> 0:10:24.270
Droege, Sam
I actually yeah, I don't know that I may not even have any records.
0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:30.220
Droege, Sam
I haven't sort of surrounding Maryland and West Virginia and Pennsylvania, but
I don't think we have any records from Maryland.
0:10:31.90 --> 0:10:31.660
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:10:31.890 --> 0:10:33.350
Droege, Sam
So let me see if I can.
0:10:33.490 --> 0:10:35.580
Droege, Sam
We can see the point of Gallia on this.
0:10:39.20 --> 0:10:45.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
A lot of times, do you if you don't spread the man bolts or pull the mouth
parts after you've collected it, you can usually see enough.
0:10:46.270 --> 0:10:54.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The then all you need to see is it really the tips of the Galea and you know
that's your most andrina.
0:10:53.730 --> 0:10:54.540
Droege, Sam
That's what we're doing.
0:10:58.770 --> 0:11:3.180
Droege, Sam
And most collectors are not not following the tongues.
0:11:6.90 --> 0:11:10.900
Droege, Sam
Now let's see if we can see enough here.
0:11:12.620 --> 0:11:12.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:11:10.990 --> 0:11:12.970
Droege, Sam
I don't know if that's good enough of a shot.
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Droege, Sam
Went down a little bit.
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Droege, Sam
Uh, yeah, I think.
0:11:26.90 --> 0:11:26.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's tough.
0:11:26.250 --> 0:11:30.420
Droege, Sam
I think we're in that in that area where the legs are gonna.
0:11:30.490 --> 0:11:34.460
Droege, Sam
I like I can tilt it more, but it will then hide it even more.
0:11:34.700 --> 0:11:34.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:11:34.950 --> 0:11:39.390
Droege, Sam
So I'm just gonna say let's not worth.
0:11:41.910 --> 0:11:42.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:50.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I good point.
0:11:39.460 --> 0:11:52.910
Droege, Sam
It's not other so, but Mike, so when you you know a tricky thing is what is
pointed is it like, yeah, and what is blunt.
0:11:52.960 --> 0:12:3.240
Droege, Sam
So sometimes a in some bees, a blunt tip, can actually be a pointed tip, and
others because of the, you know, the relativity of this.
0:12:4.260 --> 0:12:4.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I agree.
0:12:3.250 --> 0:12:13.560
Droege, Sam
So when you're looking at it, umm, when you say pointed is it like Ouch or is
it angular or is it just in comparison to other endrina.
0:12:12.260 --> 0:12:14.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, you know.
0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, Laberge called it spear shaped, so that's a little more.
0:12:19.980 --> 0:12:20.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:12:23.270 --> 0:12:23.480
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:12:21.450 --> 0:12:31.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Specific because you know something that's blunt, can have its little point,
but these these taper, these are narrow, they narrow and they taper to a point.
0:12:31.780 --> 0:12:42.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And rather than being and, if you look at almost any other endrina you know
it's they're the Galea are more rounded, more broader.
0:12:46.180 --> 0:12:46.380
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:12:42.90 --> 0:12:52.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They don't taper and so I mean it's it's distinctive and it's just one of those
things that if you can see it just that's it.
0:12:52.490 --> 0:13:0.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, that's all you need and, but if you can't umm, then the bluish cast
it's sand showed you is helpful.
0:13:1.110 --> 0:13:1.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:13:1.560 --> 0:13:13.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And and then they just the overall smoothness, lack of punctures on the
tergites and live.
0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And these are small.
0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:19.420
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:13:15.220 --> 0:13:22.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean Cecilia and pull ammonia are are small bees 87 to 8 millimeters about
that.
0:13:23.340 --> 0:13:29.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So all those things together and and if you have the flower record, that's the
suggested too.
0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:30.80
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:41.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So, but what Laberge said in his review of his revisions of rack and during the
UN during and DICE and during all three of those basically the first paragraph
starts out with these are difficult to characterize.
0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:47.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So I know we said that last week, but I just want to emphasize it because these
are these are challenging ones.
0:13:47.130 --> 0:13:49.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You have took me a long time to really learn.
0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:59.250
Droege, Sam
Yeah, there's several other species umm to think about when you have a metallic
Sheen.
0:13:59.500 --> 0:14:1.570
Droege, Sam
They tend not to be blush, more greenish.
0:14:1.580 --> 0:14:4.720
Droege, Sam
So knee grey and.
0:14:6.160 --> 0:14:13.90
Droege, Sam
Personata all have that little tinge and it so it also gets tricky.
0:14:13.140 --> 0:14:15.690
Droege, Sam
Like MIC, seeing a metallic Sheen.
0:14:15.700 --> 0:14:17.770
Droege, Sam
Or am I not seeing metallic Sheen?
0:14:17.820 --> 0:14:19.130
Droege, Sam
Is that soap?
0:14:19.170 --> 0:14:20.850
Droege, Sam
So yeah, this is you.
0:14:20.860 --> 0:14:33.640
Droege, Sam
Just you're really do want to look at a lot of specimens, particularly if you
can get to a museum just to get your mind picture around the these ideas of
distinctly bluish, right?
0:14:34.60 --> 0:14:34.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No. Yeah.
0:14:33.650 --> 0:14:37.820
Droege, Sam
So distinctly bluish could be like a you know as blue as the sky.
0:14:37.830 --> 0:14:43.380
Droege, Sam
Or it could be like a glimmer of blue, which is more the case here.
0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:55.310
Droege, Sam
So even even durani is not like as blue as an osmia, it's approaching it.
0:14:55.550 --> 0:14:57.270
Droege, Sam
But yeah, it's more.
0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:58.630
Droege, Sam
It's blue for an endrina.
0:14:58.640 --> 0:14:59.80
Droege, Sam
How about that?
0:14:59.270 --> 0:14:59.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:14:59.730 --> 0:15:1.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. OK.
0:15:1.650 --> 0:15:7.490
Droege, Sam
And the one that always gets me is and. And Wally Laberge like to use this a
lot.
0:15:7.500 --> 0:15:10.290
Droege, Sam
Is is andrina Barbara.
0:15:16.270 --> 0:15:17.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh man.
0:15:10.380 --> 0:15:17.350
Droege, Sam
It has a slight purplish Sheen, but Ohh is it so subtle and it's not really.
0:15:17.700 --> 0:15:25.150
Droege, Sam
It's a sort of a yes, it helps confirm, but a lot of times I'm like, do I see
it or do I?
0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:26.630
Droege, Sam
You know, I keep looking for it.
0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:27.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:15:27.40 --> 0:15:30.40
Droege, Sam
And sometimes I believe I can see it and sometimes not.
0:15:30.50 --> 0:15:33.170
Droege, Sam
But it has to be basically a pristine specimen.
0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:33.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
0:15:34.60 --> 0:15:43.70
Droege, Sam
Anything that dolls it down from poor processing or just age, and it's that
that Sheen appears to be absent.
0:15:46.490 --> 0:15:48.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes, comparative.
0:15:48.390 --> 0:15:51.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, the more enduring you see the, the better you get.
0:15:52.650 --> 0:15:52.830
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:15:58.280 --> 0:15:59.70
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah.
0:15:51.810 --> 0:16:12.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, it kind of sounds kind of sounds obvious, but it's a big group, so
the the, the rest the rest of the key we're really dealing with just individual
species within the subgenre with the exception of those sandrina because of the
fact that there are also similar.
0:16:12.170 --> 0:16:19.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So one of the big breaks between these last couple of couplings is are the tour
guides smooth?
0:16:19.80 --> 0:16:19.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
How?
0:16:19.270 --> 0:16:21.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Punctures or are they sort of punctate?
0:16:21.860 --> 0:16:29.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And again, lighting can make a the way you see it and the way your lighting
strikes the specimen can make a big difference.
0:16:30.250 --> 0:16:40.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And uh, so sometimes rotating the specimen, moving the light around, just to
make sure you really seeing what you think you're seeing.
0:16:41.570 --> 0:16:41.750
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:16:45.570 --> 0:16:46.270
Droege, Sam
How Mike can I?
0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:47.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So you had during the algida and that by saying ohh Jeff, go ahead.
0:16:47.930 --> 0:17:0.930
Droege, Sam
And so I was just going to end talking about lighting a lot of times people get
these circular LED lights overhead and they're very good uniform I mechanisms.
0:17:1.0 --> 0:17:11.670
Droege, Sam
But I find particularly because of this, the subtleties like the tessellations
or the the the fine printing that you might find on many parts.
0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:24.530
Droege, Sam
The looking at the rugose patterns looking for pits and and other kinds of
faint features that taking some of these I'll call them little LED boost snick
lamps.
0:17:24.540 --> 0:17:31.120
Droege, Sam
You might get them at IKEA, which we do, and putting an important thing is to
diffuse the light.
0:17:31.210 --> 0:17:36.520
Droege, Sam
So like the light I have here, I am shining the light through vellum paper.
0:17:36.890 --> 0:17:44.20
Droege, Sam
But you can also take take like tissue paper or I use.
0:17:44.30 --> 0:17:44.640
Droege, Sam
What's that?
0:17:44.750 --> 0:17:46.540
Droege, Sam
That thing that's in every lab.
0:17:46.550 --> 0:17:53.680
Droege, Sam
The what is it and why Kim wipes and just rubber band them over the front?
0:17:54.0 --> 0:17:58.860
Droege, Sam
So you decrease the glare and you create a more diffuse light.
0:17:59.120 --> 0:18:12.50
Droege, Sam
And I know that Jason Gibbs is a huge fan of taking very large fluorescent
bulbs in a lamp, which is very clunky, but works for the same reason.
0:18:14.360 --> 0:18:14.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh, totally.
0:18:13.190 --> 0:18:16.370
Droege, Sam
So anyway, just thought I'd throw that in because it works.
0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:22.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean the lighting is every bit as important is the quality of your optics in
your scope.
0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:30.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, you know, good, bad lighting can make a great scope, not work well and
vice versa.
0:18:30.220 --> 0:18:43.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So everything Sam said take to heart, because diffuse light, at least from a
lot of these these smaller species, things look totally different under that diffuse
light than if you got a standardized direct.
0:18:45.590 --> 0:18:46.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Direct light so.
0:18:49.460 --> 0:18:49.750
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:18:49.630 --> 0:18:50.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And this is this.
0:18:49.810 --> 0:18:50.550
Droege, Sam
Sorry, Mike, go ahead.
0:18:50.570 --> 0:18:51.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, no, that's perfect.
0:18:51.730 --> 0:18:58.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And this is perhaps the perfect place to to talk about it, because it makes all
the difference in these these next two couplets.
0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:3.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So you went during the algida as in northern, at least the Midwest.
0:19:3.820 --> 0:19:11.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a northern species we hardly don't see unless you get up the Great Lakes
region and north and I don't know about probably in the mountains, Sam.
0:19:13.10 --> 0:19:16.60
Droege, Sam
And we don't get it in Maryland at all.
0:19:16.70 --> 0:19:16.270
Droege, Sam
It's.
0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:21.960
Droege, Sam
I guess it's possible in the Appalachians, but it really seems like New England
is probably the nearest.
0:19:22.410 --> 0:19:22.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:19:22.940 --> 0:19:26.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's, you know, I probably should have put that in the key, the geographic
component here.
0:19:26.780 --> 0:19:31.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So this you andrina algebra is you're not gonna see it unless you're up
basically up north.
0:19:33.380 --> 0:19:36.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But the next choice in the complete Tyson Andrina?
0:19:38.570 --> 0:19:47.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, the the common species is nice and during the by Solis, which is at least
in Midwest, it's fairly common and it's a Willow specialist.
0:19:47.480 --> 0:20:6.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's geographically, it's not entirely separated from Belgium, but it's
much, it's more southern and again it's a Willoughby and the two are very
similar when you put them side by side with the facial phobia is different and
lighting can affect how you see that, how you see the phobia as well.
0:20:7.250 --> 0:20:16.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So in Algeria, the phobia don't extend below the lower margins of the internal
sockets, but is entering this all the dice and during this.
0:20:17.110 --> 0:20:17.870
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But they do.
0:20:20.140 --> 0:20:33.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's again, that's a subtlety, but you in practical terms in in most of the
regions where you all are working right now, unless you have north, if you're
not going to find out by Tyson.
0:20:35.260 --> 0:20:49.810
Droege, Sam
I I think algida again I don't get to see it very much, but in looking at
puzzling over specimens and every once in a while like it's something will key
to it, I'm going like is it really, I have this impression that it has a fair
amount of black in the.
0:20:51.360 --> 0:20:52.640
Droege, Sam
On the face is that.
0:20:55.10 --> 0:20:56.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Black men, black hairs.
0:20:53.510 --> 0:20:57.390
Droege, Sam
Is that correct black hairs? Yeah.
0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:0.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Like saying I can't remember.
0:21:1.50 --> 0:21:1.500
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:21:1.150 --> 0:21:3.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, we could.
0:21:1.550 --> 0:21:3.850
Droege, Sam
Alright then it's probably not important.
0:21:3.350 --> 0:21:8.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, no, we we should, we should look, I mean, so widespread species in the
north part of the continent.
0:21:9.170 --> 0:21:11.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And but there are any subspecies?
0:21:11.90 --> 0:21:11.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't think but it's.
0:21:13.450 --> 0:21:15.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Let me make a note of that, OK.
0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:16.530
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:21:18.510 --> 0:21:18.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:21:18.780 --> 0:21:19.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The let the last uh.
0:21:21.980 --> 0:21:22.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Couplet.
0:21:23.540 --> 0:21:26.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh calandrino reappears.
0:21:26.260 --> 0:21:28.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So remember, call andrina.
0:21:28.380 --> 0:21:29.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
We covered weeks ago.
0:21:30.0 --> 0:21:40.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Huge, huge subgenus, all specialists on some kind of Asteraceae plant or plants
and they all had these short gallia that don't exceed the tips.
0:21:40.750 --> 0:21:49.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, short maxillary palps that don't exceed the tips of the Galea, the
exception in that group is Creganna, which is.
0:21:51.870 --> 0:21:55.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Doesn't look in terms of mouth parts like calendering.
0:21:55.260 --> 0:21:58.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The maxillary palps are longer than I'll just call it normal.
0:21:58.370 --> 0:22:3.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They look like a normal normal length or an andrina, and that's a previous
specialist.
0:22:3.790 --> 0:22:5.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so that's always helpful.
0:22:5.920 --> 0:22:6.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Helpful thing.
0:22:6.930 --> 0:22:7.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:22:8.190 --> 0:22:10.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's it's pretty distinctive.
0:22:10.770 --> 0:22:12.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Be umm.
0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:26.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very shiny tergites and that and the facial phobia are super short and almost kind
of triangular in shape, and they just don't extend far at all.
0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:33.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Once you see that, it's very it's very unusual for at least our eastern endrina
to have species that has such incredibly short facial phobia.
0:22:33.940 --> 0:22:40.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's that's, that's pretty, pretty significant if you can see that usually
you can.
0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:46.480
Droege, Sam
So do you find this in in very so I think I'm cregier.
0:22:46.820 --> 0:22:49.570
Droege, Sam
As very so we that we don't see it.
0:22:50.70 --> 0:22:52.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh wow. OK.
0:22:49.640 --> 0:23:7.10
Droege, Sam
So there might be a clinical records, but the do you see it in these very dry
the the places I associate the plant krigia tends to be dry, uh very short
grass can be lawn even kinds of environments, roadsides, things like that.
0:23:7.570 --> 0:23:7.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:23:7.20 --> 0:23:9.100
Droege, Sam
Where am I misplacing that?
0:23:9.160 --> 0:23:9.690
Droege, Sam
Where do you?
0:23:9.910 --> 0:23:11.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, yeah, we it's it.
0:23:11.570 --> 0:23:15.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a very uh natural community type plan.
0:23:15.50 --> 0:23:19.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There are three at least three species out here, and they're all in that weedy
at all.
0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:20.940
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:23:19.510 --> 0:23:31.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, unless unless your road goes through a, you know, a glade or something,
but one of the species is in Woodlands and it's in the long stream sides.
0:23:31.700 --> 0:23:33.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And these are beautiful plants and beautiful flowers.
0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:39.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Kind of a yellowish orangish spring bloom in the spring, but then we have some
real tiny ones.
0:23:42.230 --> 0:23:42.400
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:23:39.40 --> 0:23:44.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Real super tiny that grow in sand and that's probably the ones you're thinking
of.
0:23:45.0 --> 0:23:45.200
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:23:44.980 --> 0:23:45.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.
0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:53.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so it's a it's a diverse genus and diverse habitats, but always what I
would call natural fairly high quality habitats.
0:23:54.940 --> 0:23:55.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so the bee is.
0:23:55.370 --> 0:23:57.800
Droege, Sam
No, you said the bees restricted too.
0:23:58.220 --> 0:23:59.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, Yep, Yep.
0:24:1.610 --> 0:24:2.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No.
0:24:2.110 --> 0:24:3.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, not no.
0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:4.910
Droege, Sam
OK, you're not finding it in lawns and OK, OK.
0:24:5.420 --> 0:24:7.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Unless you have a really cool on, you know.
0:24:8.280 --> 0:24:8.630
Droege, Sam
Great.
0:24:7.810 --> 0:24:9.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK. But.
0:24:8.960 --> 0:24:17.410
Droege, Sam
Well, I mean, some of these, some of these areas that I'm thinking of that have
that are basically moaned but never tended, let's say.
0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:20.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:24:17.420 --> 0:24:24.510
Droege, Sam
So they're just really crappy lawns, but they're in on the Tucson, for example,
and so it blends pretty easily into these.
0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:25.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah.
0:24:24.770 --> 0:24:28.860
Droege, Sam
No, no neat plant plant areas.
0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:30.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:24:30.230 --> 0:24:30.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, have you?
0:24:30.540 --> 0:24:31.850
Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's just gravely.
0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:37.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that sounds you know that would be might be there, Sam, I don't know.
0:24:37.260 --> 0:24:38.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, maybe work.
0:24:38.10 --> 0:24:40.590
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I have to the the.
0:24:40.990 --> 0:24:41.610
Droege, Sam
It's.
0:24:42.10 --> 0:24:45.620
Droege, Sam
I'll have to target and craggy more than I have.
0:24:45.630 --> 0:24:58.410
Droege, Sam
It's they're the ones that we have are so small that I I just pass over them
basically, as you know, some hawkweed kind of thing that I'll just pull up how
like this legatus off of or something.
0:24:58.730 --> 0:24:59.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right, right.
0:25:0.810 --> 0:25:2.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So anyway.
0:25:1.680 --> 0:25:4.470
Droege, Sam
But it also doesn't show up in bowls in those same areas.
0:25:4.390 --> 0:25:5.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohk. OK.
0:25:5.450 --> 0:25:5.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:25:5.750 --> 0:25:6.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I have collected a lot.
0:25:4.480 --> 0:25:7.70
Droege, Sam
That's the thing she wanna would expect it.
0:25:7.500 --> 0:25:10.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I yeah, I collected them in a lot of bowls, actually.
0:25:13.850 --> 0:25:14.200
Droege, Sam
Ah.
0:25:16.950 --> 0:25:17.420
Droege, Sam
Great.
0:25:10.290 --> 0:25:18.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Orange, Orange bowls, which are similar to the flower which when you think
about yeah stuff.
0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:24.40
Droege, Sam
So let me let's pause for a second and ask why are you using Orange bowls and
do you have the catch?
0:25:24.50 --> 0:25:27.350
Droege, Sam
Other bee species and orange that you don't catch in the other colors.
0:25:29.100 --> 0:25:29.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, it's tricky.
0:25:29.940 --> 0:25:32.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Anna was one that I caught.
0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:32.500
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:40.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, occasionally showed up in yellow, but I mean, when I first put out the
Orange Bowls, it's like never like 15 or 20 of them in there.
0:25:40.870 --> 0:25:41.90
Droege, Sam
Sure.
0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:41.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I thought so.
0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:42.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Whoa.
0:25:42.980 --> 0:25:45.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I haven't used orange for a couple of years.
0:25:45.770 --> 0:25:47.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, why would they?
0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:48.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm yeah.
0:25:48.820 --> 0:25:49.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know.
0:25:49.250 --> 0:25:50.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Experiment with colors.
0:25:50.780 --> 0:25:51.100
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:25:50.370 --> 0:25:53.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If you know it's the standard is white, blue and yellow, but.
0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:56.970
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:25:57.40 --> 0:25:57.340
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:25:57.190 --> 0:25:57.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Who knows?
0:25:57.350 --> 0:25:58.310
Droege, Sam
I'll we'll do it.
0:25:57.790 --> 0:25:59.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, because the.
0:25:58.420 --> 0:26:0.950
Droege, Sam
There's a good student project, the Orange Bowl project.
0:26:2.700 --> 0:26:12.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the other option is on the couple it is you andrina Niger heard out, which
again is a northern species and the ranges of Christiana T Nagar heard that
don't overlap.
0:26:13.210 --> 0:26:13.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:26:14.100 --> 0:26:18.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so, I mean that's that's a geographic characteristic.
0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:20.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And Niger heard is again I.
0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:30.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
To go in the upper Great Lakes region, you'll find it, but we still certainly
don't get it down in the in the Midwest months, I don't know, it's probably in
the mountains, I would imagine.
0:26:33.140 --> 0:26:34.140
Droege, Sam
Yeah, we have it there.
0:26:34.310 --> 0:26:34.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, OK.
0:26:40.570 --> 0:26:41.130
Droege, Sam
All right.
0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:52.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then finally, and I don't think this is unique to the, the, the, the
Ozarks, but there's still a number of andrina that are undescribed in our
region.
0:26:53.140 --> 0:27:11.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so if you have, if you have something that just doesn't key out or doesn't
fit, what you may have something undescribed and umm, you know one this then
it's just showing up the last few years the males are very distinctive.
0:27:15.420 --> 0:27:15.930
Droege, Sam
Dramatic.
0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:17.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They have a male or spine which is unique in our what eastern yeah,
dramatically said, right?
0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:26.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You can't miss it and but and it's big, it's 101112 millimeters and yet no one
has ever seen it until these last few years.
0:27:27.110 --> 0:27:31.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I can't explain that and we even found it in southern Illinois, which is right.
0:27:31.810 --> 0:27:41.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Molly Burgess backyard in the sense, and the females, which we now we have
figured out, are also distinctive.
0:27:41.490 --> 0:27:43.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They have peaked vertex.
0:27:43.60 --> 0:27:47.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's kind of unique and they both have a promoter, rich, very distinctive
pronotal rich.
0:27:48.370 --> 0:27:52.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So this and we have records from Georgia, from Indiana and Illinois and
Missouri.
0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:54.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So this is a widespread, undescribed species.
0:27:56.120 --> 0:28:0.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the female, you would think is an andrina census. Stricter?
0:28:1.170 --> 0:28:1.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:28:2.230 --> 0:28:5.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So anyway, keep your eyes open, umm, and that.
0:28:5.90 --> 0:28:7.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Not only for this one, but for a lot of others.
0:28:7.330 --> 0:28:7.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.
0:28:8.470 --> 0:28:11.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So just because you can't identify something doesn't mean you can't identify
it.
0:28:11.690 --> 0:28:17.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It could be that just hasn't been described, so especially if you're working in
unusual habitats or unusual places.
0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:19.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, you know, so.
0:28:21.120 --> 0:28:26.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I don't know if Sam, if you've got any in your part of the world that are
is our mysteries.
0:28:27.710 --> 0:28:31.820
Droege, Sam
We we set them aside, but I haven't.
0:28:32.170 --> 0:28:33.720
Droege, Sam
You know I can't describe any.
0:28:41.550 --> 0:28:42.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.
0:28:33.730 --> 0:28:43.740
Droege, Sam
What you you mentioned this cornice one and there I recently was looking at
some and I just was like this is not king out to any of the known corner
specialists.
0:28:44.570 --> 0:28:44.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
0:28:43.750 --> 0:28:49.840
Droege, Sam
So I'll I'll have to those get accumulated as endrina interesting.
0:28:51.890 --> 0:28:52.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:28:50.290 --> 0:28:55.210
Droege, Sam
And so we meant to go go into the Smithsonian and look at the collection.
0:28:55.220 --> 0:28:57.940
Droege, Sam
But a lot of that, it's gonna be coming here soon.
0:28:57.950 --> 0:28:59.630
Droege, Sam
So we'll we'll punch to that.
0:28:59.830 --> 0:29:1.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's interesting to hear.
0:29:2.230 --> 0:29:2.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:29:4.300 --> 0:29:23.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, yeah, that's so that's, you know, that's sort of concludes that eastern
Andrina sub general as you know as best as we could, there's still lots to talk
about and there's the key needs additional characters and need to be refined
more.
0:29:23.460 --> 0:29:29.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But certainly appreciate see any any feedback or any comments because that's
how it gets better.
0:29:29.20 --> 0:29:30.780
Droege, Sam
Yeah, that's important. Yeah.
0:29:30.870 --> 0:29:31.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally yeah.
0:29:33.470 --> 0:29:36.480
Droege, Sam
So should we do an introduction to the male guide?
0:29:36.490 --> 0:29:39.490
Droege, Sam
I think we I don't have a watch on, but do I think we have?
0:29:39.790 --> 0:29:40.0
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:29:38.730 --> 0:29:40.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yep.
0:29:40.990 --> 0:29:41.300
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:29:41.340 --> 0:29:42.180
Droege, Sam
Nothing to chat?
0:29:43.300 --> 0:29:43.640
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:49.430
Droege, Sam
Maybe while Sam opens up this other document, if anybody has any questions, you
can just unmute.
0:29:54.0 --> 0:29:56.910
Droege, Sam
They obviously know all the andrina sub general.
0:30:5.250 --> 0:30:5.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the.
0:30:5.240 --> 0:30:8.440
Droege, Sam
But there's only five 500 species in North America.
0:30:11.490 --> 0:30:32.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So with the mails you're going with, at least with this key, you're going to
notice some similarities to the female key and right off the bat, the first
thing I look at if I've got a mail, and usually it's pretty obvious the mails
are the scope are not there and et cetera, et cetera.
0:30:33.110 --> 0:30:35.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the males are very easily separate from the females.
0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:41.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
First thing I look at is again it's the pronotum and does it have a Ridge or
humor?
0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:47.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Humoral angle and unlike some of the females in most males, if it's present,
it's pretty obvious.
0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:53.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, you know, there are a couple exceptions, but in general it's a little more
boldly displayed.
0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In the mails, and sometimes dramatically so.
0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:58.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Then in the females.
0:30:59.270 --> 0:31:0.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's a good.
0:31:0.870 --> 0:31:6.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Just like with the females, it's a good way to separate a bunch of groups from
other groups.
0:31:6.300 --> 0:31:16.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If that reads and or the angles present and and so if it's present, then
females is going to be present in males, so there's not.
0:31:16.530 --> 0:31:26.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's really no instance of whether a mail that's got a really dramatic
dorsoventral Ridge on the pronotum and when the females are all simple.
0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's there's a lot of similarities there.
0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:30.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's just, yeah.
0:31:29.540 --> 0:31:51.480
Droege, Sam
Mike, do you do you, do you think that the this pronotal Ridge and which is
often just notched out has something to do with pulling, pulling the legs up
tight against the body as you know you might see in the in the plura in some of
the other other species groups?
0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:54.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know.
0:31:55.630 --> 0:31:55.810
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:31:55.260 --> 0:31:58.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, you mean when they're mating or what?
0:31:59.10 --> 0:31:59.300
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:31:59.350 --> 0:32:1.60
Droege, Sam
Well, I'm not necessary.
0:32:1.110 --> 0:32:6.880
Droege, Sam
Maybe mating, but you know, just as like to and in the nest.
0:32:7.680 --> 0:32:9.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah, it's always.
0:32:6.890 --> 0:32:16.480
Droege, Sam
Or hunkering down, you know, seems seems like that's that's a a a an area that
allows the body to be more compressed.
0:32:22.390 --> 0:32:23.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:32:17.110 --> 0:32:24.350
Droege, Sam
If you can move your legs in and closer to your body, but again, maybe not.
0:32:25.370 --> 0:32:25.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. I wondered.
0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:26.730
Droege, Sam
I'm just trying to figure out why.
0:32:27.110 --> 0:32:27.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:32:31.270 --> 0:32:32.540
Droege, Sam
All right, something to think about.
0:32:32.130 --> 0:32:33.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah.
0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:34.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:32:34.410 --> 0:32:45.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's so that we're gonna get again, we're going to cover basically it's
the same groups in the females that we covered, but the males, they are
different enough.
0:32:56.100 --> 0:32:57.130
Droege, Sam
Interrupt for a second.
0:32:45.260 --> 0:32:58.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that in most cases, the characteristics that you use to identify males are
quite different from those that you use to identify females at the at the
species or subgenus level.
0:32:57.190 --> 0:33:1.620
Droege, Sam
Eric to Claire wants to say something.
0:33:1.800 --> 0:33:2.180
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You'll have.
0:33:2.90 --> 0:33:8.460
Droege, Sam
Eric, let's do males emerge first during their time periods of being seen
throughout the year.
0:33:9.660 --> 0:33:10.540
Droege, Sam
Did you get that mic?
0:33:10.650 --> 0:33:12.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:33:12.90 --> 0:33:28.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In general, the the males are what called protandrous them in andrina the males
come out first and and you know and hope to find a A, you know, a freshly
emerged female and I'm trying to think of exceptions.
0:33:28.510 --> 0:33:32.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But in in Andrina but I can't think of any, but it's not.
0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, they don't emerge like weeks ahead of time.
0:33:35.500 --> 0:33:40.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's usually a day you see the mails 1st and then the next day or two you see
the females.
0:33:40.180 --> 0:33:42.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's at least that's been my experience.
0:33:40.950 --> 0:33:45.500
Droege, Sam
And an odd thing I see Mike and I don't know if you see this too.
0:33:45.510 --> 0:33:49.700
Droege, Sam
Is this sometimes it they they group, or maybe even Leck.
0:33:49.750 --> 0:33:59.360
Droege, Sam
I'm not sure, but there they'll be just on vegetation and there'll be a whole
bunch of them and sometimes multiple species in one area.
0:34:0.360 --> 0:34:0.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
0:34:0.10 --> 0:34:3.80
Droege, Sam
And you would like and I can't figure out why.
0:34:3.630 --> 0:34:4.330
Droege, Sam
Why that occurs?
0:34:3.360 --> 0:34:4.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I've seen group.
0:34:4.480 --> 0:34:7.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I've definitely seen the groups of males, but I never.
0:34:7.340 --> 0:34:7.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.
0:34:8.130 --> 0:34:9.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Or maybe, yeah.
0:34:9.100 --> 0:34:10.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Never more than one species.
0:34:11.570 --> 0:34:11.730
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:34:11.940 --> 0:34:13.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But you often see them.
0:34:13.170 --> 0:34:18.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're gonna be uh, that looking, they're gonna look for virgin females.
0:34:18.260 --> 0:34:19.180
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is that the nest site?
0:34:19.490 --> 0:34:33.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so a lot of times you'll see them cruising over the ground and also a lot
of nomad, a mixed in, but that's where the that's where they're going to be as
a nest aggregation or nest sites and the mails know what parasites know it.
0:34:34.330 --> 0:34:36.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's a good way to find this.
0:34:36.810 --> 0:34:38.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Actually it's going to follow those.
0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:41.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They also in the in the no matter.
0:34:42.340 --> 0:34:48.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So if you've got a mail and it's got a dorsoventral Ridge or humor line angle,
the next thing.
0:34:47.860 --> 0:34:53.180
Droege, Sam
Also wondering or question do endrina overwinter as adults or larvae?
0:34:54.460 --> 0:34:57.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh post feeding in in the Midwest.
0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:1.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, post what we call post feeding larvae.
0:35:1.710 --> 0:35:3.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
What used to be called pre pupa?
0:35:4.470 --> 0:35:4.660
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:35:4.0 --> 0:35:11.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, so they they they've eaten everything and and and the next step is to
pupate.
0:35:11.850 --> 0:35:14.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's trying to think exactly.
0:35:14.730 --> 0:35:16.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There might be some that over winter.
0:35:17.450 --> 0:35:17.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.
0:35:18.90 --> 0:35:19.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
As adults.
0:35:19.690 --> 0:35:21.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I'm not in the Midwest.
0:35:21.330 --> 0:35:22.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'm not aware of it.
0:35:22.450 --> 0:35:23.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's far as I know.
0:35:23.530 --> 0:35:28.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's always Papa, and then there's some trigger trigger and.
0:35:30.730 --> 0:35:31.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Two, there's.
0:35:31.770 --> 0:35:33.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's always been a mystery to me.
0:35:33.110 --> 0:35:37.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'll be that's underground foot, maybe 2 feet underground at the most.
0:35:38.350 --> 0:35:50.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
How do they do the signals they get from the environment that it's time to it's
time to, you know, on with it, you know, it's it's gonna be pretty amazing.
Umm.
0:35:52.850 --> 0:35:52.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I.
0:35:49.830 --> 0:35:58.790
Droege, Sam
Even the early, even the early spring, bees don't don't transition to adults
before in the fall.
0:35:57.980 --> 0:36:2.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I you know, I let's I should know that.
0:36:3.20 --> 0:36:3.300
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:36:2.720 --> 0:36:5.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Top my head and I I now you've made me wonder.
0:36:14.850 --> 0:36:15.40
Droege, Sam
And.
0:36:8.720 --> 0:36:18.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So we tell you what I'll I'll double check the the references on that to see
what if there are some exceptions and I'll just we'll let people know.
0:36:20.910 --> 0:36:28.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I've dug up some erythro gaster, umm, and perplexed in the fall.
0:36:29.210 --> 0:36:30.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they were.
0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:32.420
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:36:42.720 --> 0:36:42.900
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:43.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They were PREPA so but I mean with a group that big with hundreds of species, I
wouldn't be surprised if there's some variation in there at geographically as
well as just that genetically.
0:36:48.810 --> 0:36:49.250
Droege, Sam
Find out.
0:36:47.80 --> 0:36:50.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That wasn't very helpful answer, but we'll find out more. Umm.
0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.70
Droege, Sam
OK, I look very helpful.
0:36:52.730 --> 0:37:4.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, so the next thing, and this is really a conspicuous thing with a lot of
mail andrina the clypeus or the face in general, it can be have yellow or ivory
macula.
0:37:4.480 --> 0:37:11.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And this is really important because that helps separate a lot of species from
other species, and it's obvious, very distinctive.
0:37:11.720 --> 0:37:15.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So and the patterns are different in different species, so that's a biggie.
0:37:15.540 --> 0:37:24.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If you see yellow or ivory macula on the face and sometimes they can be very
big, very conspicuous cover half the face practically.
0:37:24.870 --> 0:37:35.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In other cases, they might just be a few dots and everything in between, so
it's an important character, but it really varies a lot, and sometimes if
you're not looking carefully, it's easy to miss.
0:37:35.430 --> 0:37:47.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, you know, we'll talk about Andrea Bioli later, but that's one where
sometimes the collectives is yellows, few dots and the pair ocular areas and
other individuals is completely dark.
0:37:47.910 --> 0:37:54.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So there are occasionally is variation and so some of these things have come
out twice in the key because of that.
0:37:55.230 --> 0:37:56.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But this is a good one.
0:37:56.110 --> 0:37:56.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very conspicuous.
0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:3.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You've got be with the pronotal Ridge and the clips or the face has some yellow
boom.
0:38:3.830 --> 0:38:13.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, there's only a relatively small number that are that fit that, that,
that and several of them are rare.
0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:15.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And a couple of them are super common.
0:38:16.550 --> 0:38:23.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the first one and this is one with we've had some interesting developments
the past year or so.
0:38:24.100 --> 0:38:42.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, when you, when you look at the the side of the cheek, the Gina or the Gina
laterally, there are two species that it comes to that's like a big angle
sticking out and one is banksii, which is it's not dramatic, but it's clearly
there.
0:38:42.620 --> 0:38:47.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the other Sarah Breda, which is like, it's just weird.
0:38:48.80 --> 0:38:51.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know if you have any of those, Sam, but yeah, that's pretty cool.
0:38:50.930 --> 0:38:51.520
Droege, Sam
Not that.
0:38:51.530 --> 0:38:52.140
Droege, Sam
Not that.
0:38:52.390 --> 0:38:53.90
Droege, Sam
Not the mail.
0:38:53.710 --> 0:38:54.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:38:55.290 --> 0:38:56.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it's dramatic.
0:38:56.110 --> 0:38:56.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And you can't miss it.
0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:8.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the Sarah Breta, it's starting to look pretty conclusively like it's a
specialist on mock Orange Philadelphus you found recently.
0:39:10.630 --> 0:39:14.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
People in Tennessee have found females collecting pollen from the plants.
0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:17.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Philadelphia and mail.
0:39:17.20 --> 0:39:18.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sleeping in the flowers.
0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:26.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So if you've got any philadelphias, even if it's in a landscape plan, it
doesn't have to be out in nature somewhere.
0:39:28.180 --> 0:39:37.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Look, when it's flowering, look at it carefully and you might see these bees,
because here 24 they've been considered quite rare, but maybe they're not as
rare as we thought.
0:39:38.890 --> 0:39:39.480
Droege, Sam
And they're small.
0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:40.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, yes, they're small.
0:39:40.170 --> 0:39:42.780
Droege, Sam
Pictured, they're brought up.
0:39:43.670 --> 0:39:45.600
Droege, Sam
I'm sorry, what did you say, Claire?
0:39:45.860 --> 0:39:49.920
Droege, Sam
To see the species paid that the cause I has the thing on the face and is a
diagram.
0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:52.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.
0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:52.950
Droege, Sam
Did you say big?
0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.820
Droege, Sam
Did you say Banksy was a in that group?
0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:57.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it is.
0:39:57.690 --> 0:39:58.250
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:39:59.310 --> 0:39:59.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh, wait a minute.
0:39:58.760 --> 0:39:59.990
Droege, Sam
OK, I'll have to go back and.
0:39:59.860 --> 0:40:0.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wait a minute.
0:40:0.340 --> 0:40:1.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wait, no, wait, wait.
0:40:1.150 --> 0:40:5.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I may be mixing, I'm sorry I get those. Yeah.
0:40:4.610 --> 0:40:5.520
Droege, Sam
There's a a.
0:40:5.530 --> 0:40:7.220
Droege, Sam
Mackie a Mackie.
0:40:7.850 --> 0:40:9.340
Droege, Sam
I'm here. That's.
0:40:8.470 --> 0:40:9.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:40:10.820 --> 0:40:11.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Which I've never seen.
0:40:12.950 --> 0:40:13.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's Washington.
0:40:18.910 --> 0:40:19.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:40:12.300 --> 0:40:20.800
Droege, Sam
I mean, but but Banksy does have a the, you know, the mail or yellow Clippy, SN
big publican knob on it.
0:40:19.550 --> 0:40:21.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Big thing. Yeah.
0:40:21.660 --> 0:40:24.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, and that I don't know if you got a picture of that one. Umm.
0:40:24.700 --> 0:40:26.810
Droege, Sam
Umm, yes.
0:40:27.180 --> 0:40:29.550
Droege, Sam
Let's see, it's the easiest way to go there.
0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:54.430
Droege, Sam
So yeah, there's the mail with the yellow.
0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.620
Droege, Sam
I don't think you can see the knob very well in this picture.
0:40:58.920 --> 0:40:59.550
Droege, Sam
Ohh you can.
0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:3.810
Droege, Sam
There it is, but not extremely.
0:41:3.900 --> 0:41:6.560
Droege, Sam
Yeah, but it's a big projection.
0:41:7.940 --> 0:41:8.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:41:8.560 --> 0:41:9.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's good. Yeah.
0:41:8.660 --> 0:41:10.80
Droege, Sam
But yeah. Yeah.
0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:21.340
Droege, Sam
So, but the interesting thing is, is a lot of times you'll look at the Spee
face on and it's like ohh, what kind of yellow faced bee is that?
0:41:21.350 --> 0:41:25.230
Droege, Sam
And you actually initially miss the fact that it's got that big cheek.
0:41:25.240 --> 0:41:26.450
Droege, Sam
See that looks like ohh.
0:41:26.460 --> 0:41:28.300
Droege, Sam
That must be miserable this or something.
0:41:26.810 --> 0:41:28.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, right. Right.
0:41:29.150 --> 0:41:36.620
Droege, Sam
And then if you don't flip it on its side that that knob isn't necessarily the
first thing you see.
0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:44.200
Droege, Sam
So, so many things, but I don't have a Sarah brought a picture.
0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:50.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that was me.
0:41:55.170 --> 0:41:55.350
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:41:50.740 --> 0:41:57.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I never saw until the last few years I've since seen bunches of them, so I
think it's one of the case of one of those things.
0:41:57.90 --> 0:42:0.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Once you know where to look changes.
0:42:5.500 --> 0:42:5.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
0:42:0.250 --> 0:42:11.180
Droege, Sam
We see it, we see it regularly and often associated with Willow, but I don't
know that it's, I would call it a Willow specialist, but and a lot of times
we'll pull in.
0:42:17.250 --> 0:42:17.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
0:42:11.650 --> 0:42:19.900
Droege, Sam
Uhm, uh specimens from a from collecting on Willow, but they also show up in
other places.
0:42:19.910 --> 0:42:23.150
Droege, Sam
So I I hesitate to call at any kind of Willow specialist.
0:42:25.30 --> 0:42:28.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, it may not be exclusively Mark orange specialist either then so.
0:42:29.180 --> 0:42:29.570
Droege, Sam
No, no.
0:42:29.580 --> 0:42:30.730
Droege, Sam
I'm talking about Banksy.
0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:31.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh thanks.
0:42:31.10 --> 0:42:31.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, OK.
0:42:31.620 --> 0:42:31.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:42:31.620 --> 0:42:32.350
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah.
0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:32.650
Droege, Sam
Banksy.
0:42:32.660 --> 0:42:33.20
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah.
0:42:32.40 --> 0:42:34.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, no, saying that's that's the only place I've collected it.
0:42:35.940 --> 0:42:36.420
Droege, Sam
Ohh OK.
0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:39.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's from Willow, so I mean, so in the Midwest, so maybe it is.
0:42:39.510 --> 0:42:40.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'm sorry, yeah.
0:42:41.40 --> 0:42:41.580
Droege, Sam
Yeah. OK.
0:42:42.330 --> 0:42:42.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:42:50.430 --> 0:42:50.870
Droege, Sam
Alright.
0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:51.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. OK.
0:42:51.620 --> 0:42:51.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:42:52.0 --> 0:42:52.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Thanks for the reminder.
0:42:54.180 --> 0:42:55.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, Banksii is in.
0:43:0.270 --> 0:43:1.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, we'll we'll.
0:43:1.270 --> 0:43:2.270
Droege, Sam
We can figure it out, yeah.
0:43:2.170 --> 0:43:2.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, we will.
0:43:3.50 --> 0:43:6.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So, but cerebrata very distinctive.
0:43:7.50 --> 0:43:7.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:43:7.770 --> 0:43:9.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And nothing to say anything.
0:43:9.110 --> 0:43:10.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Quite quite like that.
0:43:10.30 --> 0:43:15.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the another very important characteristic in this group is the base of the
mandible.
0:43:16.70 --> 0:43:26.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ventrally that what called ventral basal basically has a pronounced tooth or an
angle, and sometimes it's quite dramatic and other times it's a little more
subtle.
0:43:27.50 --> 0:43:37.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it's an again, a very helpful characteristic and not just in this group,
but for others that we're gonna see later that can be pretty helpful and
usually easy to see.
0:43:37.950 --> 0:43:39.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The mandibles don't have to be open.
0:43:39.890 --> 0:43:51.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You can see it no matter what what shape the mangoes are in, but umm in those
cases where it's a little subtle you you can sometimes sometimes miss it.
0:43:52.500 --> 0:44:4.230
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I I usually find that it's not subtle, but the females, which of Wally
Laberge and his keys will often say have a tooth.
0:44:3.270 --> 0:44:6.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I thought I don't see it.
0:44:4.440 --> 0:44:6.670
Droege, Sam
And it's like, come on.
0:44:7.490 --> 0:44:8.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I I.
0:44:6.680 --> 0:44:10.240
Droege, Sam
Really it is so, so subtle.
0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:11.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I agree completely.
0:44:11.990 --> 0:44:13.20
Droege, Sam
Yeah, alright, good.
0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:13.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:44:13.30 --> 0:44:14.50
Droege, Sam
I'm glad someone else does.
0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:14.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:15.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's why I didn't.
0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, I just don't see it honestly.
0:44:18.220 --> 0:44:18.400
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:44:18.460 --> 0:44:35.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so anyway, so, so if you've got it, this venture, basil tooth angle on the
mandible, next you go to couple of five and there are only two groups in this
section of the key that have that and they're both pretty rare.
0:44:43.190 --> 0:44:43.460
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:44:35.100 --> 0:44:44.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
One of those we already talked is banksii and and no, it's not, actually, it's
diamorphine is 1.
0:44:44.70 --> 0:44:44.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
0:44:44.430 --> 0:44:45.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, that's Jesus.
0:44:45.490 --> 0:44:46.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Names get confusing.
0:44:46.870 --> 0:44:57.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Archie Andrina and I've only collected a handful of these over the years, but
the males have a very distinctive, smooth, shiny, pygidial plate.
0:44:57.870 --> 0:45:8.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's very most males do not Andrea now, but this these are conspicuous and it
doesn't look exactly like the female pygidial plate, but close.
0:45:8.820 --> 0:45:16.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And again, if there's no hair on it, it's very shiny, triangular, and that, you
know, sometimes the admins contracted and you might not be able to see it.
0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:21.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But boy, if you can, it's immediately know what group you're dealing with.
0:45:22.700 --> 0:45:25.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm and.
0:45:29.140 --> 0:45:30.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Drink with some of the other characters.
0:45:30.730 --> 0:45:34.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's the most outstanding 1 store for the Archie entry.
0:45:35.460 --> 0:45:38.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then dare endrina these are small.
0:45:41.390 --> 0:45:41.600
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:45:38.980 --> 0:45:49.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The Archean Andrina are pretty big bees 101112 millimeters, umm, but Darren
Drenas are are small and they're all specialists on something.
0:45:49.990 --> 0:45:53.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And umm, often considered.
0:45:53.310 --> 0:46:0.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, I think it is rare, but avalara is 1 and I know we talked about whether
it really belongs in that sub genus or not.
0:46:0.600 --> 0:46:2.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But for the present, we're just gonna say it does.
0:46:3.370 --> 0:46:3.530
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:46:3.400 --> 0:46:19.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
To make things simple, so it will be Larry eyes on the genus Ubilla area and
then zizia formis, andruzzi, formis was look the males look very very much like
Google area these on potentilla and I'm done.
0:46:19.710 --> 0:46:28.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
These are these have the big long mandibles with this strong tooth on the
ventral basal margin, very distinctive these and.
0:46:32.240 --> 0:46:33.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
These that most people probably never see.
0:46:35.130 --> 0:46:38.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In fact, the male is still of Neville.
0:46:38.610 --> 0:46:41.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Area is still undescribed, technically.
0:46:43.130 --> 0:46:43.800
Droege, Sam
Didn't he?
0:46:43.810 --> 0:46:47.660
Droege, Sam
Didn't Milan describe it, or am I mistaken in that?
0:46:48.770 --> 0:46:50.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, maybe it maybe I missed that.
0:46:49.590 --> 0:46:56.870
Droege, Sam
I think they I think they collected it and I and you know, pull genitalia and
all kinds of stuff, but maybe they.
0:46:58.0 --> 0:46:59.760
Droege, Sam
Umm hmm.
0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:1.370
Droege, Sam
Maybe they didn't get published yet.
0:47:2.430 --> 0:47:2.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know.
0:47:2.400 --> 0:47:6.920
Droege, Sam
Ohh yeah, I wonder why it's not in like the bees of Massachusetts.
0:47:8.420 --> 0:47:10.800
Droege, Sam
OK, yeah.
0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Anyway, uh, these again, these are specialists.
0:47:14.660 --> 0:47:16.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You gotta find their plans to find them.
0:47:16.420 --> 0:47:17.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Have caught them in yellow bowls.
0:47:20.990 --> 0:47:21.220
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:21.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
A lot, no.
0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:25.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Those are good ones.
0:47:24.700 --> 0:47:29.190
Droege, Sam
They're right down there at the same level as the potential of the the
potentia.
0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:32.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yes yeah.
0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:40.490
Droege, Sam
I think of it as just the common common potentia, and it can be in a lawn
situation, but a lot of times it's in a poor soil and they're just this big mat
of them.
0:47:40.630 --> 0:47:44.100
Droege, Sam
And if you spend some time sitting parked there.
0:47:48.150 --> 0:47:48.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:47:44.820 --> 0:47:54.280
Droege, Sam
You can see them, you know, flying around and then get the uh pinarius offer
too.
0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:0.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:48:3.490 --> 0:48:4.50
Droege, Sam
Alright, we'll go.
0:48:3.160 --> 0:48:4.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So those are good ones to look for.
0:48:9.550 --> 0:48:27.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So if you so if you got a mail with the pronotal Ridge yellow clypeus or some
of the yellow on the face somewhere and without a central basil tooth or angle
on demandable, you know we go to couplet 6 and here again it's another pretty
much straightforward case.
0:48:27.340 --> 0:48:36.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Either the four wing has two sub marginal cells, or it has three, and like Sam
has said before, look at both wings and sometimes strange things can happen.
0:48:37.540 --> 0:48:47.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But in general this is a pretty much kick it to the bank situation, so this is
subgenus parent andrina and again these are Willow specialists.
0:48:47.150 --> 0:48:52.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There only two and east, and they're in the Midwest.
0:48:52.100 --> 0:48:53.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If you go, you find willows.
0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:55.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, there's actually.
0:48:55.300 --> 0:48:57.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's a third too, is a third.
0:48:58.20 --> 0:48:58.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there is.
0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:3.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There's three and all of them are Willow specialists.
0:49:3.110 --> 0:49:9.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They all have just the two submarginal cells, and I mean that pretty much nails
it right there.
0:49:15.730 --> 0:49:15.980
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:49:11.740 --> 0:49:16.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know how common they are in the east, but in Midwest, often in sandy
areas.
0:49:17.850 --> 0:49:21.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I don't know that they're entirely sand obligates.
0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:27.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, as Leanna probably is, that's the only place I've ever found that species
is in sans.
0:49:30.240 --> 0:49:31.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You're OK?
0:49:31.230 --> 0:49:31.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:49:28.500 --> 0:49:33.280
Droege, Sam
Great gravel pits, our said sand mines up north.
0:49:32.740 --> 0:49:33.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.
0:49:33.910 --> 0:49:34.240
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:37.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
0:49:39.180 --> 0:49:39.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow, OK.
0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:45.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:49:34.250 --> 0:49:46.720
Droege, Sam
So we we don't get that one, we and the other two are super rare, you know and
we I know I'm you know wherever if there's a will of blooming I'm gonna be
collecting off it but it's they're not really.
0:49:47.890 --> 0:49:50.140
Droege, Sam
A major part of the Willow fauna.
0:49:50.750 --> 0:49:50.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:53.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:49:53.220 --> 0:49:54.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the Midwest they are.
0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:56.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's pretty much trying.
0:49:56.960 --> 0:50:0.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Willow, you gotta find Android's.
0:50:0.470 --> 0:50:2.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Probably are neither.
0:50:6.640 --> 0:50:8.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's that's pretty straightforward.
0:50:8.700 --> 0:50:12.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Group the two sub marginal cells and the yellow like this and the personal red.
0:50:13.260 --> 0:50:13.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's it.
0:50:14.780 --> 0:50:22.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So and we didn't, I didn't say this mention this, but the six sternum and this
is going to reappear in other groups.
0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:33.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But the six sternum is reflexed and what that means is if you don't look at the
underside of the bee or look at in lateral view at the end of the abdomen, you
can miss it.
0:50:33.260 --> 0:50:40.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it's an important feature in some various groups of mail Andreas, and also
encountered again.
0:50:41.40 --> 0:50:48.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So what we mean by reflex is it's sort of instead of being stripped, the tip of
it is bent.
0:50:49.250 --> 0:50:53.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Often has and has teeth or angles on the lateral margins.
0:50:53.910 --> 0:51:3.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sometimes it's real obvious, but sometimes it can be gunked up, and then it can
be difficult sometimes to recognized, but it's a very important feature, and
that's one of those things.
0:51:3.810 --> 0:51:8.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
When I'm looking at mail endrina and nothing jumps out at me, I look.
0:51:8.210 --> 0:51:10.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Things always look at right away, I said.
0:51:10.230 --> 0:51:12.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, what's that external look like?
0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:13.560
Droege, Sam
Great.
0:51:12.530 --> 0:51:14.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Because that that helps.
0:51:14.570 --> 0:51:15.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very helpful.
0:51:17.460 --> 0:51:17.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.
0:51:17.860 --> 0:51:18.230
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:51:18.240 --> 0:51:23.470
Droege, Sam
It's in that term is very is always tripped me up because I wasn't.
0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:26.390
Droege, Sam
There was no one there to ask, so reflects.
0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:27.510
Droege, Sam
What does that mean?
0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:33.630
Droege, Sam
And and so you know, it's just not a commonly used term anymore.
0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:41.370
Droege, Sam
And then also you know there is an orientation you're not usually looking
upside down at the bee you're looking at, you've turned the bee over.
0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:50.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:51:41.720 --> 0:51:57.350
Droege, Sam
So it's really in some ways in the in the view that you're seeing, it's like
the whole end is just bent up, usually at a right angle across a the margin of
the very end of the rim of S6.
0:51:57.800 --> 0:51:59.760
Droege, Sam
And yeah it is.
0:51:59.770 --> 0:52:10.420
Droege, Sam
I use it all the time now, but initially when I was doing that and a lot of
times you don't, this is not the most common character, but it in some groups
it's all over the place.
0:52:14.290 --> 0:52:14.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:52:10.430 --> 0:52:18.300
Droege, Sam
But if the the average andrina doesn't have this, nor does any of the other
groups, so that's why it makes it special.
0:52:18.310 --> 0:52:26.190
Droege, Sam
So if you're not, if you're looking for it in a place that doesn't occur, it's
really frustrating.
0:52:26.410 --> 0:52:27.700
Droege, Sam
Isn't that reflected or not?
0:52:29.70 --> 0:52:29.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:52:27.710 --> 0:52:32.480
Droege, Sam
And then you run across a couple to to view.
0:52:33.40 --> 0:52:33.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:52:33.290 --> 0:52:39.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And there are a couple of super common ones with that have it that both get to
you eventually.
0:52:40.100 --> 0:52:45.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, the next choice couple at 7 is 1 at least.
0:52:46.510 --> 0:52:48.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
As one of the most common injury is in the spring.
0:52:48.690 --> 0:52:49.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In every place I've ever been.
0:52:50.310 --> 0:52:57.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's the subgenus whole andrina, which now is the name has been changed,
but I'm not gonna get into that right now.
0:52:57.320 --> 0:53:1.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The species just questioning and there's only one that's enduring a
questioning.
0:53:2.10 --> 0:53:11.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And there are a couple of subspecies, but the one in the east is crossing the
eye, and usually the males have an incredible half.
0:53:11.810 --> 0:53:14.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The face is yellow or ivory.
0:53:14.250 --> 0:53:15.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, you just can't miss it.
0:53:15.410 --> 0:53:29.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Even with the naked eye and but it does vary and I have seen, I've seen a few
individuals that have no yellow on the face at all, which drove me crazy until
I looked at the genitalia, which are very distinctive.
0:53:29.980 --> 0:53:41.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So there's some variation in that be and it's, but it's super common, and if
you're going to be collecting andrina in the spring, you're going to find the
speed and visits a lot of different plants.
0:53:42.180 --> 0:53:45.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm and is in all kinds of habitats.
0:53:46.310 --> 0:53:48.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's, you know, it's not experience.
0:53:48.270 --> 0:53:52.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's one of the most common andrina eastern part of the country.
0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:54.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know if that's true or you are saying, but.
0:53:54.510 --> 0:53:56.0
Droege, Sam
No, completely.
0:53:57.690 --> 0:54:0.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, good. Yep.
0:53:56.10 --> 0:54:4.560
Droege, Sam
And then lawns and and disturbed areas and and the and.
0:54:4.710 --> 0:54:7.480
Droege, Sam
And every once in while you can get a mail that has almost.
0:54:13.790 --> 0:54:14.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
0:54:15.110 --> 0:54:17.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.
0:54:7.550 --> 0:54:18.830
Droege, Sam
I you may have mentioned this while I was futzing around here, you can get a
male with almost none of this yellow like it's all eroded away and they're
like, what am I looking at?
0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:21.660
Droege, Sam
This must be new, but it's it happens.
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Droege, Sam
You know, one out of, you know, maybe couple 100, maybe more than that, maybe
500 specimens and a lot of this will be gone.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
And but usually there's you.
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Droege, Sam
There's shadows of it, and it patches up.
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Droege, Sam
I don't know why.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Hmm.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And because of that, the species comes out in a part of the key later on where
we're talking about mails are all that just because of that one one and 100
chances.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it it happens, you know?
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Droege, Sam
You know.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So why?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know, but so that's.
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Droege, Sam
And really, I always note this really wide head.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very much. And yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Nope.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep. Cool.
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Droege, Sam
So, Claire.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh, Claire's giving us a timeout.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Overtime. OK.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, we, we just got a a memo that you need to be on a two o'clock like on the
dot on time.
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Droege, Sam
Me.
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Droege, Sam
Yes.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Droege, Sam
No, it's got we just got a we got passed a note.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Droege, Sam
OK, so I'm gonna drag us, wrap us up.
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Droege, Sam
So any any parting words in that whole area?
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Droege, Sam
I'm sorry if I know for the custody.
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Droege, Sam
I just added to that if there was there anything else you wanted to make sure
it was finished being said.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, not me.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, distinct fee just you can just look at the face.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
In the field, you don't even need a microscope.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Great, I.
0:55:52.40 --> 0:55:54.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes, you're you're OK.
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Droege, Sam
Apparently I'm on call, so have we have to leave?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Thank you, Claire.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Thank you.
0:55:57.980 --> 0:55:58.720
Droege, Sam
Thank you guys.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, right.