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Droege, Sam
I wonder if he could just mention that cool osmia that he found.
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Droege, Sam
Is he on today?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Can't hear Claire.
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Droege, Sam
Forwarding.
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Droege, Sam
We're gonna.
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Droege, Sam
He's started with Endrina subgenera.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
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Droege, Sam
Whenever you guys want, you don't have broth today and I'm not sure if we leave
it as joined us.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh, I'd appreciate it.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
We have.
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Droege, Sam
We have all of our general players in good.
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Droege, Sam
So David, we can use your pictures again very likely and looks like we'll have
the no pronotal Ridge situation coming up.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Always.
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Droege, Sam
It looks like we have a light showing project as everyone is gonna be on
vacation.
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Droege, Sam
But Mike, maybe talk if you would, about Ellison's find of the green Osmia just
so that people think it's fun.
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Droege, Sam
It's a super fun and find.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I've never met Allison buddies.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Big communicated a lot.
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Droege, Sam
In the mountains?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
They picked up in Lee County, Virginia, which if I'm right, that's extreme
southwest Virginia in the mountain, OK.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, in the mountains.
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Droege, Sam
I don't know if it's extreme southwest, but it's in the mountains.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, OK.
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Droege, Sam
I would have said central along the West Virginia border.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And this was a picked up an osmel annoyances, which is.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
They better be plain simple.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, it's never been common and your people find one or two.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's not like people have ever found a series.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's never been in a trap nest, so we don't.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
We don't really even know what it's host plan is, but until recently it was.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
We thought it was a more western species and now it's just the second record in
Virginia, I think, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Well, yes.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Second location time place like he caught three I think right at this one.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I think Rob found one in Georgia, a male I think so a couple years, yeah, a
couple years ago.
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Droege, Sam
Oh, I didn't realize it, OK.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then we found we've we've found several in Missouri over the years and one
just, you know last year and then a couple in southeast Nebraska.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's around, but it's one of those osmus.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a mystery.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You don't.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Ah yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't that it is hot tears on the mouth parts and many bees that have hooked
hairs on the mouth parts are specialists in some kind of Boraginaceae group,
but I don't.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But there are exceptions to that.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
And they seemed like it was in association with barons, areas and dry ridges in
both the the Virginia cases.
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Droege, Sam
I don't know about the others.
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Droege, Sam
Do you?
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Droege, Sam
Are you getting him in residual Prairie?
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Droege, Sam
Yep, might have gone get.
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Droege, Sam
Hello.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, I'm back.
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Droege, Sam
There we go.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know what happened.
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Droege, Sam
You're back here, OK?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, in the Ozarks.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, it's it's it's a remarkably similar habitat to a Allison described in
Virginia, which these dry, rocky calcareous habitats.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, right.
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Droege, Sam
So could be a a weird familia.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh yeah.
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Droege, Sam
So OK, well anyway, I thought it was neat, and I think one of the nice things
about be people coming together is to find out those kinds of Natural History
things.
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Droege, Sam
So to dive back in, well, I'll flip up, at least for now, the unless someone
wants to do it differently, I'm going to flip up Mike's genus guide.
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Droege, Sam
We have David here who can do some illustrations and we were at, we're
finishing up couple at 18 and I believe in there is a split between Umm
basically things with.
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Droege, Sam
Let's see.
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Droege, Sam
Do I have this right?
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Things that had a dorsoventral Ridge.
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Droege, Sam
So the collar, you know, with ears or the ridges, those kinds of things.
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Droege, Sam
And things that don't.
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Droege, Sam
So this is the pronotum entirely absent.
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Droege, Sam
So David, maybe you could show that and then Mike, you could, you know, take it
from there.
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Maffei, Clare J
Take care I can.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That we.
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Droege, Sam
I don't.
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Maffei, Clare J
Also I have this.
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Droege, Sam
I haven't no one of the.
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Droege, Sam
I'm David.
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Droege, Sam
If it's easy for you in the computer sharing to do it.
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Droege, Sam
If not, I also have it up and we can.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
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Droege, Sam
Because again, this is a tricky feature in terms of presence or absence.
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Droege, Sam
So yeah, but showing the absence pictures.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So alright, so the the previous weeks we've been dealing with uh andrina
subgenera, the species of which have a modified pronotum.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're like Sam said, there's either a Ridge or a humoral angle, or both in
most cases.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And now we're done with those.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
We finished with those and the rest of the eastern US.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, Andrina lack that we're going to be covering do not have a dorsoventral
Ridge or humor angle.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
The pronotum is just we'll just call it simple and there's no modifications.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I think David may have an image.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Don't know.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Yet clearer.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Are you there?
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Why can't I share?
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, you should be able to share.
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Droege, Sam
I mean, I gave you.
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Droege, Sam
I made you presenter do.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
I know I felt so honored by that, but then I only have a button that says.
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Droege, Sam
Should I turn off?
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David Cappaert (Guest)
I don't know.
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Droege, Sam
Is that going to matter?
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Droege, Sam
I'm gonna stop sharing, OK?
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Droege, Sam
I've stopped.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Do you have it?
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Droege, Sam
And if you don't, then I'll just screen share from.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Yeah, I've just got a different here.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Let me try one more time.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Ohh string one.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Let's try.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Yeah.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Tell me if that happens.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
No.
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Droege, Sam
Nope.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
OK, you can use whatever you've got, but before the end of this there's
something I want to share.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Both.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
We'll get to it.
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Droege, Sam
Great.
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Droege, Sam
So you're sharing the wrinkler I'm.
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Droege, Sam
I'm sharing this.
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Droege, Sam
I don't have.
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Droege, Sam
I don't have all of his beautiful like a SmugMug up.
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Droege, Sam
If you wanna put that link into the chat, see what I can do.
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David Cappaert (Guest)
Sure.
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Droege, Sam
But yeah, let me get down to the right spots.
0:6:25.430 --> 0:6:25.890
Droege, Sam
Now.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, good.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know what species that is David might know, but if you look at that
pronotum, it's just smoothly curb from one side to the other without a Ridge or
without a humoral angle.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's just a nice smooth color, so sorts and nothing but you know, there's a
very, very faint uh groove.
0:7:5.790 --> 0:7:6.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's some.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's sometimes doesn't drop because the lighting, but that's the most of
them.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
They'll have that.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So there's nothing to dramatically different about that.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so that's what all the rest of the andrina groups are going to be looking
at.
0:7:18.670 --> 0:7:21.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's what the Protonium will basically look like.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And just like that?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.
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Droege, Sam
Like that's all rounded, yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Smooth and no projections, no.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And again, that's a good shot because the head's been pulled away.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Away and you can you can fully see the pronotum.
0:7:35.160 --> 0:7:36.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that's often not the case.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's.
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Droege, Sam
State and show that show the one that maybe useful clear to show the one with
the collar that has a Ridge and ears, or here's one with a little bit of
everything.
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Droege, Sam
Just got off.
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Droege, Sam
That's the same thing here.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the more entering the, the more yeah, the more entry into you look at the
more this pronotum thing.
0:8:4.610 --> 0:8:9.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Will make sense and be better appreciated.
0:8:9.690 --> 0:8:9.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It just takes a while.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You need to look at a lot of specimens and it'll.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally Yep.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's almost always one of the first things I look at just to make sure
that I'm I'm my thinking is in ones that have it in ones that don't because
it's a less common overall state.
0:8:37.750 --> 0:8:38.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right, right.
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Droege, Sam
And so you, you're going to more quickly be able to jump to an ID instead of
having to slog through a bunch of other things, because once you got it, it's
pretty clear.
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Droege, Sam
And that's you want you want clear and identification features and if not you
know you have other options and discover life to when your way through.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So so once you've made that decision that the pronotum is normal and I
modified, I mean, you know that it's just the very beginning because they're
the least in the eastern US I don't know, 13 or so subjects or at least the way
we currently classify them that have that characteristic.
0:9:10.150 --> 0:9:11.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it doesn't really.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's just the first step along the way, but it's like Sam said, it's
fundamental and something you need to look at.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, on to 19 a.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So this this is one of those couplets I sort of apologized for because look at
the first part of it.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
There are three things that you're looking for.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
The plural, and that's the side of the thorax in general, and the proportial
triangle.
0:9:44.260 --> 0:9:51.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then the proportial corbicula and we've talked about all these things and
with some of the other subgenera.
0:9:51.500 --> 0:10:29.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But what your if you've got a specimen in hand and the pronotal collar is
normal and unmodified, and the one of the next things to do is look at these
three, see if these three features are present or not, and if, if they are it,
it narrows the field considerably because there's only a handful of subgenera
in the east that have a really reticulate proportial triangle and incomplete
proportial corbicula and have the side of the thorax, the pleura, uh.
0:10:29.630 --> 0:10:32.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Roughened in rugose reticulate, which is kind of wrinkled.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:10:34.140 --> 0:10:37.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So you want all three of those things, not just one of them, but you need to.
0:10:37.870 --> 0:10:41.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If you're specimen has all three of those things, then you move on to 20.
0:10:42.310 --> 0:10:42.790
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:10:44.560 --> 0:10:44.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:10:42.830 --> 0:10:57.460
Droege, Sam
So I'll I'll just interject here that if you see what I'm doing, which is highlighting
things since you, you can use red letters or bold or these things, I find it
useful in guides to have my own little notes like this.
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Droege, Sam
Like then that becomes little memory things.
0:10:59.750 --> 0:10:59.880
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:11:0.310 --> 0:11:0.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:10:59.890 --> 0:11:1.420
Droege, Sam
Yeah, that's the three things.
0:11:1.430 --> 0:11:7.980
Droege, Sam
Rather than having to read everything again, it's like got, got, got and I can
jump because of those.
0:11:8.50 --> 0:11:14.110
Droege, Sam
I can jump pretty quickly because now I know what that that allows me to
remember what that character is.
0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:15.970
Droege, Sam
A is like with having to.
0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:24.120
Droege, Sam
It seems like a not a big deal, but you then you don't have to read the whole
thing to get it any other notes too.
0:11:23.100 --> 0:11:25.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's yeah.
0:11:25.270 --> 0:11:29.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And and that's especially true with couplets that are lengthy and kind of
wordy.
0:11:29.290 --> 0:11:33.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And umm, yeah, that's good.
0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:34.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Make no time.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's critical.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, uh, what Wallace?
0:11:40.110 --> 0:11:45.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Laborers who did so much of the Andrina work and the US is original.
0:11:45.560 --> 0:11:46.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.
0:11:47.230 --> 0:11:51.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Papers that he that he published on all these things after he passed away.
0:11:51.690 --> 0:11:58.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
John Marlin and inherited them and he was making notes all over the place on
his original publications so.
0:12:0.890 --> 0:12:1.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It worked for him.
0:12:2.310 --> 0:12:3.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
He worked for everybody else.
0:12:3.350 --> 0:12:4.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think so.
0:12:4.730 --> 0:12:11.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So anyway, let's say we do have specimen that's got all three of those things,
and they're usually quite easy to see.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's not.
0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:14.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're they're not.
0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:15.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Not hidden, really.
0:12:15.870 --> 0:12:16.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're pretty obvious.
0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:29.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, and then then we moved to 20 and then we encounter one of the sub genre
that to my way of thinking anyway is uh is is quite is a challenge.
0:12:30.510 --> 0:12:30.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:12:31.430 --> 0:12:35.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And what you're looking for, we are the facial fovea, which we talked about
before.
0:12:35.930 --> 0:12:42.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And in this group, the subgenus track andrina most of the species have the
facial fovea.
0:12:43.410 --> 0:12:52.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Narrowed below in a maybe not dramatically, but quite obviously narrowed or
constricted in the lower half, more or less, and broadened above.
0:12:55.680 --> 0:13:4.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they're the only that's the only subgenus in in our geography that has
facial phobia like that.
0:13:4.600 --> 0:13:7.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So if you see those, that's it.
0:13:8.470 --> 0:13:9.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You got that?
0:13:9.60 --> 0:13:10.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's the subgenus.
0:13:10.30 --> 0:13:12.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
However, there are in the east anyway.
0:13:12.620 --> 0:13:19.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There are three species that are in tracking andrina that have more or less
normal facial fobia, and those are can be.
0:13:22.170 --> 0:13:22.770
Droege, Sam
Can you say that again?
0:13:19.570 --> 0:13:22.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Those are kind of the tricky ones because they start to look like some other
things.
0:13:42.590 --> 0:13:43.120
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:13:24.610 --> 0:13:43.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So if you see the facial phobia and they're narrowed, I think bingo, you've got
to track injury, or at least by my counting there at least 13 species in the
eastern US so it's it's a fairly large group and I don't know what do you
think, Sam, but I think they're fairly some of them are fairly challenging. OK.
0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:48.80
Droege, Sam
So maybe this is, I'll just interject this and I'm gonna flip to.
0:13:48.130 --> 0:14:5.920
Droege, Sam
They're so challenging that I find it difficult when dealing at a species level
with using a key because to my mind it's often a presentation of a number of
different features that I want to kind of go through.
0:14:5.930 --> 0:14:9.290
Droege, Sam
So I can send this to people or clear may already have it up there.
0:14:9.300 --> 0:14:16.190
Droege, Sam
But here's the the species in our region of track andrina females.
0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:24.840
Droege, Sam
And then there's just a whole series of features here that you can see, many of
which are just not like black and white.
0:14:25.0 --> 0:14:35.670
Droege, Sam
So and then I highlight like the the key features for separating out the
species and then also have what species they're similar to.
0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:43.590
Droege, Sam
And then I'm I actually use this all the time and like hmm, maybe I've got that
wrong cause it's just really confusing at the species level.
0:14:44.290 --> 0:14:45.90
Droege, Sam
So I'm not.
0:14:45.100 --> 0:14:50.700
Droege, Sam
We won't go into it, but now that's my you know, I'm at discover life person,
right?
0:14:50.710 --> 0:14:54.200
Droege, Sam
So you can see like when I do this that I've.
0:14:54.380 --> 0:15:0.300
Droege, Sam
I'm feel like the discover life method is too simple minded.
0:15:6.180 --> 0:15:6.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:15:6.370 --> 0:15:8.650
Droege, Sam
So yes, I'm I'm agreeing with you Mike 100%.
0:15:11.340 --> 0:15:25.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So if if you don't have specimens that have the facial phobia narrow below, but
they have those three other features that were in couplet 19, you think, well,
it doesn't fit this track endrina stuff.
0:15:26.60 --> 0:15:31.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But remember, there are three additional species in the east, and they're
fairly common.
0:15:31.820 --> 0:15:35.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Some of them that have facial phobia look more or less normal.
0:15:36.820 --> 0:15:46.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so for those you move when you moved a couple of 21, you have to list then
this took me a long time to get this figured out right.
0:15:46.350 --> 0:15:56.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But the second tergite has A and and this is true of most bees, but has a basal
area and an apical area in terms of.
0:15:57.580 --> 0:16:5.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
General appearance and the basal area and apical area tend to be divided by
more or less of a.
0:16:6.640 --> 0:16:10.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it kinda drop drop in elevation for lack of a better word.
0:16:12.300 --> 0:16:22.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's it's usually pretty with andrina, it's usually pretty obvious the basal
area and the apical area are divided by what looks like a line under the scope.
0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
When you look super closely, it is basal.
0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Area is a little usually a little higher than the approved area.
0:16:28.310 --> 0:16:38.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is a little lower, so anyway it's pretty obvious, but the trick comes is judging
the relative lengths of the those apical and basal areas and how they relate to
each other.
0:16:38.910 --> 0:16:47.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's that's another way to separate these other track Andreas from other
subgenre that appear later in the in the key.
0:16:48.330 --> 0:16:49.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that takes some time.
0:16:49.340 --> 0:16:50.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You mean is the apical area?
0:16:52.610 --> 0:16:57.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, as long as the basal area or is it half as long, et cetera, et
cetera.
0:17:4.180 --> 0:17:4.340
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:16:57.530 --> 0:17:6.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So this becomes in most of the track and doing the keys sooner or later you
have to deal with that and I forget, I suppose that's on discover life.
0:17:6.790 --> 0:17:8.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I forget if it is or not, but it must be.
0:17:8.640 --> 0:17:9.190
Droege, Sam
I'm in.
0:17:9.260 --> 0:17:10.650
Droege, Sam
It is, but again I.
0:17:25.540 --> 0:17:26.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right, right.
0:17:30.700 --> 0:17:30.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:17:12.500 --> 0:17:31.710
Droege, Sam
Refer to that that that Excel thing because you know, yes you can get the
extremes in terms of like ohh it's only half or ohh it's about 90% is filled
but there's a lot of sort of shady middle ground, some variation.
0:17:31.900 --> 0:17:48.90
Droege, Sam
And do you know people should remember that track endrina was something that
the old timers worked out the species level, and there may be other species in
that may be some of the stuff that trips us up to be worked on.
0:17:52.190 --> 0:17:52.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't think so.
0:17:48.100 --> 0:17:53.90
Droege, Sam
I don't know that anyone's worked on track and generous since Wally and I don't
know who was the other person.
0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:53.910
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:17:54.830 --> 0:18:2.810
Droege, Sam
So, but you know we, so we have the classic stuff from Laberge and discover
life.
0:18:2.930 --> 0:18:6.700
Droege, Sam
And then we have this other thing because I doesn't.
0:18:7.680 --> 0:18:14.680
Droege, Sam
I I didn't leave the guide or wallies or anyone else's feeling like ohh yeah,
obviously that's this.
0:18:15.110 --> 0:18:17.790
Droege, Sam
It was like too many sort of, like really.
0:18:17.830 --> 0:18:18.790
Droege, Sam
Maybe.
0:18:18.830 --> 0:18:20.200
Droege, Sam
Maybe I see that.
0:18:20.350 --> 0:18:20.680
Droege, Sam
Damn.
0:18:20.710 --> 0:18:20.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That.
0:18:21.10 --> 0:18:24.490
Droege, Sam
Yeah, we put up a specimen that shows this condition.
0:18:24.820 --> 0:18:26.430
Droege, Sam
Ohh yeah, so let me.
0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.530
Droege, Sam
Well, actually I'll should have some.
0:18:29.540 --> 0:18:30.10
Droege, Sam
I'll go.
0:18:31.340 --> 0:18:31.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alright.
0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:40.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:18:30.740 --> 0:18:43.310
Droege, Sam
I'm going to let Claire show the guide here, and I'm gonna pull up some track
andrina species, and most of them should have a good view of these.
0:18:43.370 --> 0:18:44.40
Droege, Sam
This impressed area.
0:18:44.50 --> 0:18:45.530
Droege, Sam
That's a great idea of winter. Thanks.
0:18:46.750 --> 0:18:57.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So there are some obvious species of track endrina that are really, I mean,
they're just jump out andrina nuda the skew them is almost devoid of punctures
and hairs.
0:18:57.330 --> 0:19:2.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's unlike any other endrina really in our neck of the woods, that's a conspicuous
one.
0:19:2.490 --> 0:19:5.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And there are a few others, but they're all.
0:19:5.790 --> 0:19:11.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, if you're out collecting in the spring, you're gonna, you're gonna come
across track andrina.
0:19:11.950 --> 0:19:14.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, they're a lot of species and some of them are very common.
0:19:15.170 --> 0:19:22.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There most of them are polling generalists and there are a lot of different
places, so you are gonna encounter them without doubt so.
0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.410
Droege, Sam
You said that there is in the east, there's andrina nuda.
0:19:29.700 --> 0:19:30.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh-huh.
0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:32.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, uh andrina.
0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:34.590
Droege, Sam
What were the other ones that are different, like the the atypical track and
drain a couplet?
0:19:35.220 --> 0:19:38.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think andrina rugosa there's another one.
0:19:38.540 --> 0:19:38.760
Droege, Sam
Yep.
0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's that's.
0:19:40.230 --> 0:19:43.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's fairly distinctive and common.
0:19:45.100 --> 0:19:54.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then there's andrina hippotes, which has orangish reddish legs, and it's
the only one in that subgenus like that.
0:19:55.720 --> 0:20:5.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So they're, you know, they're they're handful that are pretty straightforward,
but then you get to others like CNL Thi and Forbes, I Miranda and some of these
others who are sort of iffy.
0:20:4.10 --> 0:20:7.120
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'll.
0:20:7.170 --> 0:20:12.900
Droege, Sam
I'll tell you that hippotes thing, though, there is a another species now.
0:20:12.910 --> 0:20:13.440
Droege, Sam
I'm gonna.
0:20:13.450 --> 0:20:18.990
Droege, Sam
It's not a track endrina, but it has a complete corbicula complete proposal
triangle.
0:20:19.0 --> 0:20:22.180
Droege, Sam
Very reticulate, often with a little bit of a line.
0:20:22.190 --> 0:20:23.0
Droege, Sam
Is it ill?
0:20:23.410 --> 0:20:28.680
Droege, Sam
Is it ilicis that has red legs that shows up?
0:20:29.50 --> 0:20:30.340
Droege, Sam
Or is is that the right one?
0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, imitators in a tetrix does.
0:20:31.190 --> 0:20:33.200
Droege, Sam
Well imitate, imitate Trix.
0:20:35.90 --> 0:20:35.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, OK.
0:20:33.210 --> 0:20:37.10
Droege, Sam
I'm is less of a problem, I think, although sometimes it did.
0:20:37.220 --> 0:20:40.200
Droege, Sam
No, that's ellipsis or the other eye one.
0:20:42.270 --> 0:20:43.340
Droege, Sam
Still not a Lenny.
0:20:51.80 --> 0:20:51.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:20:45.490 --> 0:20:52.240
Droege, Sam
It might be Ulysses, but, and maybe it doesn't occur cause it's a woodland
species and it has.
0:20:52.770 --> 0:20:54.480
Droege, Sam
It's like characteristic.
0:20:54.490 --> 0:20:58.840
Droege, Sam
I'm on alert when I see it's small, a little smaller, but it's like ohh.
0:20:58.850 --> 0:20:59.900
Droege, Sam
Or is this supportes?
0:21:1.930 --> 0:21:2.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Huh.
0:21:0.250 --> 0:21:3.480
Droege, Sam
So anyway I can try and track that one down too.
0:21:4.610 --> 0:21:7.240
Droege, Sam
Umm, so go.
0:21:7.250 --> 0:21:8.20
Droege, Sam
Sorry, go ahead.
0:21:8.110 --> 0:21:8.900
Droege, Sam
I'm still looking.
0:21:10.890 --> 0:21:11.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:21:8.910 --> 0:21:12.930
Droege, Sam
I'm getting some good examples here of the proposal triangle ready.
0:21:16.810 --> 0:21:17.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:21:17.530 --> 0:21:18.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Are there any questions, Claire?
0:21:20.220 --> 0:21:25.700
Droege, Sam
Uh, well, let me check screen so I can see umm no.
0:21:25.750 --> 0:21:33.930
Droege, Sam
But David was wondering if we wanted to look at his, the Western is his
identity.
0:21:34.100 --> 0:21:45.130
Droege, Sam
He I'm wondering if you wanna wait till we have rob cause I think Rob will
think that that's really cool that I wanna hear what you have to say about your
umm, you're approved their data.
0:21:45.140 --> 0:21:45.800
Droege, Sam
That's good deal.
0:21:45.660 --> 0:21:45.970
David Cappaert (Guest)
Yeah.
0:21:45.980 --> 0:21:46.290
David Cappaert (Guest)
Yeah.
0:21:51.810 --> 0:21:51.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:52.90
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:21:46.300 --> 0:21:53.240
David Cappaert (Guest)
No, I think that would be good if if I could talk, I want to talk to Mike too,
maybe at the end of this session, if he's got a moment. Cool.
0:21:53.10 --> 0:21:53.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, we do that.
0:21:55.780 --> 0:22:4.860
Droege, Sam
Umm, I've got a series of track endrina here, 3 species that show this
impressed area in slightly different ways.
0:22:4.940 --> 0:22:5.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh good.
0:22:5.280 --> 0:22:8.210
Droege, Sam
So if we wanna flip, then we can go.
0:22:8.220 --> 0:22:11.590
Droege, Sam
Just so you see some variation, but are we ready to clear?
0:22:12.40 --> 0:22:12.280
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:22:13.300 --> 0:22:16.790
Droege, Sam
Umm, back to the screen.
0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:18.920
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:22:20.860 --> 0:22:21.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh yeah.
0:22:18.930 --> 0:22:25.750
Droege, Sam
Well, we'll start with Nuda and I'm just showing the abdomen stuff here and
it's sort of extreme.
0:22:26.250 --> 0:22:26.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:22:26.530 --> 0:22:27.220
Droege, Sam
Did I share?
0:22:27.230 --> 0:22:27.850
Droege, Sam
No, not yet.
0:22:30.0 --> 0:22:30.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's a good one to know.
0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:31.220
Droege, Sam
OK, one SEC and yeah, it is.
0:22:31.230 --> 0:22:35.850
Droege, Sam
It's OK that actually that is not nuda but here.
0:22:36.30 --> 0:22:39.750
Droege, Sam
So here is like the impressed area.
0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:45.480
Droege, Sam
This is so unusual, but this is helpful in track endrina this impressed area
line.
0:22:45.490 --> 0:22:46.760
Droege, Sam
Here we can blow it up.
0:22:46.890 --> 0:22:54.600
Droege, Sam
Is running almost all the way over the whole segment, so you know like 90% of
the.
0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:59.30
Droege, Sam
T2 is impressed or lower?
0:22:59.40 --> 0:23:0.510
Droege, Sam
Or that.
0:23:1.30 --> 0:23:2.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Play area, yeah.
0:23:1.0 --> 0:23:4.390
Droege, Sam
So yeah, so that's extreme.
0:23:5.20 --> 0:23:8.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah, that's that's that's the yeah.
0:23:4.400 --> 0:23:31.680
Droege, Sam
You can see here the the very reticulate proposal triangle and this line across
here which depending on which kind of guide you use, is often a character
because I'm often like ooh, maybe I'm looking at imitate tricks here, I'm
looking to see if there's a line right across a Carina raise line that
separates the upper face to the lateral face.
0:23:31.750 --> 0:23:48.400
Droege, Sam
It's not super clear here, but this forms a triangle that bleeds over the edge
track andrina pretty much consistently have that line, and then other species
that you might say, well, maybe I'm usually don't.
0:23:51.650 --> 0:23:54.960
Droege, Sam
Right, so I'm seeing nothi.
0:23:55.150 --> 0:24:2.540
Droege, Sam
Here's a a less you know, it's still very extensive compared to oops, I
thought, oh, there we go.
0:24:3.90 --> 0:24:3.460
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:24:3.790 --> 0:24:8.880
Droege, Sam
Compared to other species and you see it's it's obvious, but relatively subtle.
0:24:8.890 --> 0:24:10.170
Droege, Sam
So here's this line.
0:24:11.120 --> 0:24:25.770
Droege, Sam
OK, this area is slightly lower in terms of elevation then the the back part,
most species that line is right there on the rim here in this group is where
you get into this kind of stuff.
0:24:32.550 --> 0:24:32.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:24:25.780 --> 0:24:41.280
Droege, Sam
So even seeing it 50% back should put you on pretty much alert that I'd
probably have a track andrina in in in just, you know, working on these things
and then we have app.
0:24:43.270 --> 0:24:49.80
Droege, Sam
So Margiana and you can see here how this is another good for species level.
0:24:49.170 --> 0:24:50.490
Droege, Sam
How much pitting is on there?
0:24:50.500 --> 0:24:51.890
Droege, Sam
What's that pattern you see?
0:24:51.900 --> 0:24:58.0
Droege, Sam
It's very light there, but here again it's extensive, but not at that 90%
level.
0:24:58.150 --> 0:24:58.700
Droege, Sam
I don't have.
0:25:0.550 --> 0:25:1.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh, that's good.
0:25:1.810 --> 0:25:5.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think Yep, that's good.
0:24:58.710 --> 0:25:9.240
Droege, Sam
I could maybe find some more, but I don't have any 50%, so you get the idea and
you could see there isn't pressed areas in the lower ones too, but these are
mostly ignored.
0:25:10.340 --> 0:25:13.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And you've noticed one of those specimens had.
0:25:17.700 --> 0:25:17.960
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:22.20
Droege, Sam
Entered.
0:25:14.120 --> 0:25:22.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh turtle fascia laterally, and that becomes an important species level
character in a lot of cases.
0:25:25.570 --> 0:25:26.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh yeah.
0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:31.910
Droege, Sam
Yep, and look at the density here on the see another like those pits are almost
all touching each other, so there's these good characters.
0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:37.720
Droege, Sam
There's just like little species pairs that are like similar that you get into
a not over.
0:25:39.490 --> 0:25:42.150
Droege, Sam
I'll just look and see if I I think I have hippotes in here.
0:25:42.860 --> 0:25:48.720
Droege, Sam
Ohh we can see the red legs if I have it.
0:25:49.610 --> 0:25:54.660
Droege, Sam
Ohh look there we go and yeah so.
0:25:56.830 --> 0:25:59.860
Droege, Sam
Umm you can see.
0:25:59.930 --> 0:26:11.510
Droege, Sam
So it's not like bright red, but all these lower parts, the tarsal segments a
little bit in the femur, these are reddish and that's unusual.
0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:21.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
0:26:13.630 --> 0:26:24.880
Droege, Sam
Let me look and see if I have illnesses because I think that's the I think
that's the other red one because I I do spend some time finding those and like
ohh I'd better be sure about this.
0:26:25.810 --> 0:26:28.680
Droege, Sam
So yeah, so here's elissa's female.
0:26:28.870 --> 0:26:30.920
Droege, Sam
These are the and then the males too.
0:26:31.690 --> 0:26:43.30
Droege, Sam
And the males in Hippotes also have this, but if we click here you can see this
is very hippotes like, but it's a different species and different species
group.
0:26:43.470 --> 0:26:43.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:26:43.730 --> 0:26:44.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Different subjects, yeah.
0:26:45.670 --> 0:26:52.400
Droege, Sam
Yeah, and here's the female again, making some presentations, particularly in
the mail.
0:26:52.530 --> 0:26:55.140
Droege, Sam
So the female has, we'll get to it.
0:26:55.150 --> 0:27:7.40
Droege, Sam
But has these, you know, won't have all these characters but the reddish legs
are often like, oh, that's supplies, and I find in the mail that I have to be careful
because sometimes I have this species I have both of them.
0:27:9.800 --> 0:27:10.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:27:10.80 --> 0:27:10.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, they're.
0:27:10.450 --> 0:27:13.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're that that delicious is really rare over here.
0:27:13.460 --> 0:27:14.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
We hardly ever see it.
0:27:15.190 --> 0:27:15.860
Droege, Sam
It's not.
0:27:22.50 --> 0:27:23.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm yeah.
0:27:15.930 --> 0:27:29.700
Droege, Sam
It's not super common, but you know where we find it is in big bottomland
forests mostly and malaise traps for whatever reason seem to be like the jam
for finding him.
0:27:29.750 --> 0:27:32.930
Droege, Sam
So I'm not quite sure there may be a canopy element.
0:27:34.540 --> 0:27:34.810
Droege, Sam
It's.
0:27:34.820 --> 0:27:41.670
Droege, Sam
Yeah, it's a little mysterious, but you know, we probably have 20 records and
sometimes long strings from one place.
0:27:41.330 --> 0:27:42.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, well.
0:27:42.300 --> 0:27:47.700
Droege, Sam
I'm pretty sure it's almost all bottom lands for, let's call it rich woods.
0:27:52.330 --> 0:27:52.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alright.
0:27:50.860 --> 0:28:0.680
Droege, Sam
OK, so let's go back to the I'm to the we're never getting through these, but
through the through the guide.
0:28:6.390 --> 0:28:6.560
Droege, Sam
No.
0:28:3.280 --> 0:28:8.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, the next choice in, you know, if you're not, go ahead, Sam.
0:28:6.850 --> 0:28:12.210
Droege, Sam
Ohh so can you talk about this week phobia thing?
0:28:12.220 --> 0:28:15.400
Droege, Sam
So I'm not even sure that I have ever paid attention to that.
0:28:16.50 --> 0:28:17.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I know.
0:28:17.70 --> 0:28:17.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'm not.
0:28:17.710 --> 0:28:21.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'm not sure that's one of those things that that used to be a note.
0:28:21.500 --> 0:28:23.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know in my life, just like notes.
0:28:25.120 --> 0:28:25.300
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:28:23.930 --> 0:28:25.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You have and it's never mentioned.
0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:30.20
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:32.640
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:28:35.700 --> 0:28:35.880
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:28:25.850 --> 0:28:43.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's not mentioned in any of walley's things, but it's something that most
andrina don't have, and but all energies do, so it's this little blemish, a
little thing on most track endrina females on that on the on the lateral side.
0:28:43.780 --> 0:28:47.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Lateral margin of two and uh.
0:28:47.50 --> 0:28:48.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Easy to overlook.
0:28:51.410 --> 0:28:51.590
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:28:48.10 --> 0:28:55.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Often the legs obscure because of pressed up against the tour guides, but it's
a small left lack of better word blemish.
0:28:55.690 --> 0:29:1.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's not really a phobia in that it's indented or anything like that, but it's
supposed technically.
0:29:1.890 --> 0:29:5.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Maybe it would be a fobia, but anyway it.
0:29:3.980 --> 0:29:9.750
Droege, Sam
This this also occurs in some of the red abdomen blossoms.
0:29:9.800 --> 0:29:10.580
Droege, Sam
Something like that.
0:29:9.520 --> 0:29:11.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yes, yeah.
0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:12.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, yeah.
0:29:12.100 --> 0:29:19.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know what it's all about, but uh umm, most andrina don't have it and
occasion.
0:29:16.150 --> 0:29:19.260
Droege, Sam
Umm, is there a spherical?
0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, don't think so.
0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:26.440
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:29:26.0 --> 0:29:29.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So anyway, I make the maybe that shouldn't even be in there.
0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:29.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know.
0:29:32.670 --> 0:29:32.830
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:29:29.900 --> 0:29:35.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I've toyed with thinking about taking that out because I'm not sure helps
anybody, but if you look on.
0:29:35.250 --> 0:29:35.860
Droege, Sam
Well, you can.
0:29:35.910 --> 0:29:36.660
Droege, Sam
You can have it.
0:29:39.540 --> 0:29:39.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:29:36.830 --> 0:29:39.920
Droege, Sam
You can document it as a note and then it stays.
0:29:40.100 --> 0:29:40.870
Droege, Sam
Take it seriously.
0:29:53.810 --> 0:29:54.40
Droege, Sam
Hmm.
0:29:42.940 --> 0:29:58.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So if we're convinced we don't have track endrina, then we move on to to couple
of 22 and there there you've got the only two other sub genre in our in the
eastern US that have a really reticulate.
0:30:0.420 --> 0:30:10.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Proportial triangle that have that have, uh, incomplete proposal corbicula and
have the thorax, the lateral, the plura let up the side of the thorax.
0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:26.60
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:30:12.250 --> 0:30:40.290
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Rough and reticulate rugose and we've talked about this first one before plastic
andrina, it's the group has a very modified hind tibial spur and I think it was
last week, week before David had some really nice images and most of you
probably remember that, but it's it's you need some magnification to see it
because sometimes the legs are pressed up and plenty ways and but once you see
it you don't forget it, it's pretty distinctive.
0:30:40.300 --> 0:30:56.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The spur is strongly curved and then towards the base of the spur where it
attaches, or to the to the tibia, there's a translucent wing that comes off of
it, and there you go.
0:30:57.850 --> 0:30:58.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:30:58.270 --> 0:30:58.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Perfect.
0:30:59.460 --> 0:31:1.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that's that's.
0:31:0.60 --> 0:31:1.350
Droege, Sam
Wait, are we?
0:31:1.360 --> 0:31:3.630
Droege, Sam
See I see someone showing a picture.
0:31:3.860 --> 0:31:4.270
Droege, Sam
Yes.
0:31:3.960 --> 0:31:4.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:31:4.320 --> 0:31:4.740
Droege, Sam
OK, good.
0:31:5.140 --> 0:31:6.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Andrea critique guy.
0:31:7.30 --> 0:31:7.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:31:7.400 --> 0:31:7.930
Droege, Sam
There we go.
0:31:7.350 --> 0:31:7.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so that.
0:31:8.250 --> 0:31:8.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:31:9.90 --> 0:31:10.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And you know.
0:31:7.940 --> 0:31:12.890
Droege, Sam
Here but but it's not, but I don't think it's critique.
0:31:14.820 --> 0:31:15.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That way.
0:31:12.900 --> 0:31:16.650
Droege, Sam
I think we decided that last week, but it shows the spur.
0:31:16.860 --> 0:31:22.140
Droege, Sam
Yeah, critique would be have a long banana like spur, I think.
0:31:26.30 --> 0:31:27.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it'd be more curved.
0:31:27.250 --> 0:31:30.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I did not thought maybe it was a viewing angle and that's.
0:31:29.100 --> 0:31:33.440
Droege, Sam
Yeah, this looks like a MACRA Makarov spur.
0:31:33.450 --> 0:31:34.540
Droege, Sam
So anyway.
0:31:36.590 --> 0:31:37.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah.
0:31:36.860 --> 0:31:37.860
Droege, Sam
We sent him. Please.
0:31:38.170 --> 0:31:38.520
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:48.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So in in the East, when you see that it's it's there's only that one species
that we have.
0:31:51.700 --> 0:31:55.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, blessed Andrea after the guy listen, forgetting something which could be.
0:31:57.380 --> 0:31:58.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's a big beat.
0:31:58.500 --> 0:32:2.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's a good size 12 millimeters or so, and it's, uh, easily.
0:32:8.340 --> 0:32:8.560
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:32:2.170 --> 0:32:9.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know it's it's very roughened and reticulate it looks like a lot like a
track andrina until you like look closely.
0:32:10.750 --> 0:32:18.840
Droege, Sam
And also has a very unique, I think proposal triangle like a lot of times I can
go like ohh I'm.
0:32:19.330 --> 0:32:20.620
Droege, Sam
Let's see if I can find it here.
0:32:21.660 --> 0:32:27.230
Droege, Sam
Umm that the maybe doesn't show up really well on this, but the.
0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:37.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:32:28.860 --> 0:32:40.430
Droege, Sam
The raised lines are have a pattern to them that a lot of times I just see that
and I know I'm looking at, umm, critique.
0:32:40.670 --> 0:32:46.960
Droege, Sam
Let's see if I can have a picture, maybe of the spurs.
0:32:46.970 --> 0:32:53.990
Droege, Sam
Probably not, because they usually hidden well, so there's it is there.
0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:55.180
Droege, Sam
Oops.
0:32:55.820 --> 0:32:56.210
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:1.910
Droege, Sam
But it's mostly hidden, so it's this this long banana like thing you not
changing screen?
0:33:2.320 --> 0:33:6.470
Droege, Sam
I'm not streaming screen OK, sorry so I didn't share there.
0:33:13.180 --> 0:33:18.500
Droege, Sam
So it's hidden as they often are, because they're on the interior side of the
legs.
0:33:18.510 --> 0:33:21.280
Droege, Sam
But it's often got this long.
0:33:21.370 --> 0:33:26.840
Droege, Sam
The the thing that shows up is it's very long, very curved, very banana and
thin, like.
0:33:27.980 --> 0:33:32.100
Droege, Sam
And then then I look at the proposal triangle.
0:33:35.300 --> 0:33:38.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And there's a good view of the plural, too, by the way.
0:33:45.380 --> 0:33:45.590
Droege, Sam
On.
0:33:38.100 --> 0:33:46.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that's so that's what we mean by the couple of words, kind of reticulate
punctate, it's not smooth.
0:33:47.630 --> 0:33:53.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so in reference back to a couple of 19 that was that's what you were
referring to.
0:33:53.460 --> 0:33:55.20
Droege, Sam
Hmm yeah.
0:33:58.850 --> 0:34:0.810
Droege, Sam
So we'll go back to bigger, yeah.
0:33:59.10 --> 0:34:5.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And this and this is this is very common species, at least in the Midwest,
telling you run across that a lot.
0:34:5.150 --> 0:34:11.530
Droege, Sam
Yeah, we're sort of at the edge, but we get it regularly ish particularly to
the in the mountains.
0:34:15.60 --> 0:34:19.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So if you got, if you're a couple of 22 and you're timetable will spur is
normal.
0:34:20.460 --> 0:34:24.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, but it's just gonna be scrapped.
0:34:24.100 --> 0:34:31.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Or opsis and this this is a subgenus that's always kind of kind of giving me
fits.
0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:34.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's hard.
0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:44.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There just seems to be no single character that really nails down that subgenus
in the East, so it's almost by price of process of elimination.
0:34:44.610 --> 0:34:45.900
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know it can't be tracked.
0:34:45.910 --> 0:34:47.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Enduring it can't be placed andrina.
0:34:47.470 --> 0:34:49.320
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't gotta be scrapped. Her offices.
0:34:50.140 --> 0:34:55.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm so and there are a number of species in that subgenus.
0:34:56.100 --> 0:35:1.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
One of them in the tetrix is just, arguably, at least in in the Midwest.
0:35:1.340 --> 0:35:10.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's probably the most common andrina the spring endrina that we find it's just
everywhere, and often superabundant and variable.
0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:12.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Like say I'm alluded to a little bit ago.
0:35:13.50 --> 0:35:18.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, it's sometimes the legs are orange, sometimes they're partly orange,
sometimes they're dark.
0:35:21.450 --> 0:35:21.610
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:35:18.730 --> 0:35:22.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's a very variable species and it's widespread across the country.
0:35:22.970 --> 0:35:25.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Maybe it's complex. A species?
0:35:25.70 --> 0:35:27.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know, but it's.
0:35:26.750 --> 0:35:28.230
Droege, Sam
And I'm tricked a lot by it.
0:35:27.20 --> 0:35:29.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's ohh.
0:35:29.20 --> 0:35:30.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally yeah, yeah.
0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:31.570
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:38.330
Droege, Sam
So until and the other thing that I basically have given up on is telling
Morrison, Ella from imitate Trix.
0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.940
Droege, Sam
So I always usually I'm blending the two.
0:35:44.260 --> 0:35:47.270
Droege, Sam
Because I'm like I, I just can't see.
0:35:47.580 --> 0:35:51.130
Droege, Sam
You know, sometimes it's supposed to be like internal hairs in the corbicula.
0:35:52.140 --> 0:35:52.570
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:35:52.820 --> 0:35:56.460
Droege, Sam
Forked or not, and it's like, come on.
0:35:58.350 --> 0:36:1.930
Droege, Sam
There's gotta be something more than that, but that's what it has.
0:36:2.860 --> 0:36:3.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.
0:36:1.940 --> 0:36:13.80
Droege, Sam
And then sometimes it's like maybe I see it maybe and maybe not, but I'm I've
never gotten a like, oh, oh, yes, this is this is totally different.
0:36:13.90 --> 0:36:17.360
Droege, Sam
It has to be more sanella, so it's a.
0:36:16.490 --> 0:36:18.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
0:36:24.900 --> 0:36:25.100
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:36:19.170 --> 0:36:26.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I I think I've seen one or two that I feel totally matched the descriptions
morsella, but even then even then I think.
0:36:28.830 --> 0:36:36.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And even when Wally Liberation's treatment of Morris Sanella, he acknowledges
that well, there are some issues.
0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:37.740
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:36:37.230 --> 0:36:42.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
He doesn't take him anywhere, but he says this is these are possibilities that
it could be.
0:36:42.170 --> 0:36:47.260
Droege, Sam
And I believe he he does not present any way to tell the males apart.
0:36:48.870 --> 0:36:49.510
Droege, Sam
I remember right?
0:36:49.590 --> 0:36:50.20
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:36:47.850 --> 0:36:50.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, no. Yeah.
0:36:50.70 --> 0:36:54.410
Droege, Sam
So it's like, OK, we need someone to look at this, add it to the list.
0:36:55.210 --> 0:36:55.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:36:55.590 --> 0:37:0.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the reason is is like stamped imitate Trix is so common and so abundant.
0:37:1.10 --> 0:37:1.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Morrison.
0:37:1.570 --> 0:37:5.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ella may be part of that complex and there may be additional forms.
0:37:5.360 --> 0:37:5.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't.
0:37:6.70 --> 0:37:9.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No one ever looked at that complex, molecularly that I know about.
0:37:12.450 --> 0:37:12.600
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:37:10.310 --> 0:37:14.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It would be an interesting project, no lack of specimens.
0:37:17.90 --> 0:37:20.800
Droege, Sam
Yep, uh, do you wanna say anything about any of these species in this group?
0:37:20.810 --> 0:37:22.240
Droege, Sam
Otherwise, I'll flip back to the guide.
0:37:22.870 --> 0:37:23.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:29.730
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, I.
0:37:33.330 --> 0:37:34.380
Droege, Sam
We don't have to go in.
0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:35.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's yeah.
0:37:35.700 --> 0:37:37.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Well.
0:37:34.490 --> 0:37:38.860
Droege, Sam
I'm just saying if is there something that's talk about, it was just like
messy.
0:37:39.0 --> 0:37:41.450
Droege, Sam
You get to the species level and go from there.
0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a.
0:37:42.370 --> 0:37:45.20
Droege, Sam
Yeah, they they all have a little little issues.
0:37:45.30 --> 0:37:46.480
Droege, Sam
You know the atlantica.
0:37:46.490 --> 0:37:47.980
Droege, Sam
Allegheny, ansys thing.
0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:48.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Totally. Yep.
0:37:49.70 --> 0:37:49.250
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:37:49.20 --> 0:37:51.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's challenging group.
0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:52.970
Droege, Sam
OK, so need a remission.
0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:5.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that those 3 subgenera track injury, Anna Plast gendering, scrapped drops,
and so those are the ones that are that are really rough.
0:38:5.440 --> 0:38:8.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Reticulate proposal triangle off.
0:38:8.370 --> 0:38:17.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Also, most of the rest of the property and as well you know, then the
incomplete proportial cubicula and the roughened reticulate punctate plura.
0:38:17.650 --> 0:38:18.180
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:38:18.250 --> 0:38:18.860
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's it.
0:38:18.930 --> 0:38:20.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Just those 3 subgenera.
0:38:21.50 --> 0:38:32.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Now we move on to a couple of 23 and we look at the mall or space and and this
is a case where it's obvious, I mean this in this group, they're only a couple
species.
0:38:33.850 --> 0:38:38.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, there, there's no doubt there's an allergy space there and it's it's
conspicuous.
0:38:40.350 --> 0:38:42.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's interesting, this is the subgenus.
0:38:42.970 --> 0:38:43.610
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Khanna andrina.
0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:49.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, there are specialists on things in the blueberry family.
0:38:49.170 --> 0:38:58.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're Casey and there are a number of other blueberry specialists or KC
specialists that also have a elongate Miller space.
0:39:0.550 --> 0:39:2.870
Droege, Sam
Better, better, not better, not andrina.
0:38:59.260 --> 0:39:7.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's kind of interesting that the right, uh, yeah, they're cleaning,
cleaning Validus and some others.
0:39:7.190 --> 0:39:9.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's kind of curious.
0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:15.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So Bradley I is that's that's the one I always have to come across and that's
it.
0:39:17.910 --> 0:39:19.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's in the upper Midwest.
0:39:19.150 --> 0:39:20.760
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know where you find it out there, Sam.
0:39:22.70 --> 0:39:23.770
Droege, Sam
And it's throughout the area.
0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:24.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:39:23.910 --> 0:39:36.520
Droege, Sam
You can see I'm showing a picture here and it's not super super common, but you
know from Maryland north and I think in the mountains South and yeah, it's on
blueberries.
0:39:37.100 --> 0:39:37.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:48.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And then in the mid upper Midwest it's saw in bogs that leatherleaf and some
other things in the blueberry family, but it's up up in the upper Great Lakes
region.
0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:49.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a bomb.
0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:52.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean, that's where you find it.
0:39:52.810 --> 0:39:57.690
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And and then marginal places where they're blueberries as well.
0:39:57.700 --> 0:39:58.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So pretty cool.
0:39:58.790 --> 0:40:1.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Be an easy one to pretty much for an Andrea.
0:40:1.10 --> 0:40:2.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's pretty easy one to recognize.
0:40:3.230 --> 0:40:3.500
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:40:3.510 --> 0:40:11.100
Droege, Sam
Let me get I think I have a probably a good shot at least you can sort of see
the.
0:40:11.490 --> 0:40:12.820
Droege, Sam
So there's the eye.
0:40:12.890 --> 0:40:17.340
Droege, Sam
The mandible is weighed down here, so there's just a really again for an
endrina over here.
0:40:17.350 --> 0:40:18.820
Droege, Sam
You can maybe see it better.
0:40:23.390 --> 0:40:24.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.
0:40:18.890 --> 0:40:25.990
Droege, Sam
That's huge for an endrina, and here's this very long face and very narrow
phobia.
0:40:27.540 --> 0:40:28.440
Droege, Sam
The nearest thing would be.
0:40:32.40 --> 0:40:39.960
Droege, Sam
Carolina, I think in in like in look and feel, but then it's got a big
horseshoe collar. Alright.
0:40:39.660 --> 0:40:40.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:40:40.130 --> 0:40:40.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, very.
0:40:39.970 --> 0:40:41.90
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'm pretty normal Ridge.
0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:42.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, very different subject is.
0:40:44.60 --> 0:40:44.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So this is a cool one.
0:40:45.340 --> 0:40:45.740
Droege, Sam
Born.
0:40:49.300 --> 0:40:49.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.
0:40:51.270 --> 0:41:3.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The rest of the andrina do not have a Mallard space anywhere near Bradley I,
and if there's a if there's a smaller space present on any of the other
endrina, it is extremely limited.
0:41:4.920 --> 0:41:5.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Nothing like that.
0:41:5.760 --> 0:41:6.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that one really stands out.
0:41:8.40 --> 0:41:8.390
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:41:10.550 --> 0:41:11.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, but we've already.
0:41:11.790 --> 0:41:12.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:41:8.400 --> 0:41:13.70
Droege, Sam
Although Carolina can be, I mean yes. But yeah.
0:41:13.710 --> 0:41:14.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:41:14.190 --> 0:41:15.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:41:13.110 --> 0:41:15.480
Droege, Sam
Ohh within the smooth ones, yeah you.
0:41:15.510 --> 0:41:15.590
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:41:16.750 --> 0:41:22.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, so a couple of 24 we because of the.
0:41:24.860 --> 0:41:30.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Questionable nature of the pronotum of Andreoli, it shows up again.
0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:39.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So Andrea Bioli showed up earlier in the key the part of the key that had the
OR we're talking about species that had the modified pro node and the human
Ridge.
0:41:42.10 --> 0:41:55.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it because it's so if it comes up twice, so we've already dealt with
violin, but it's a it's a super conspicuous, huge, huge blown up clypeus, very
distinctive, very distinctive.
0:41:58.650 --> 0:42:8.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So if we bypass that one, then we come to a cup of 25 where this is a really
interesting group.
0:42:8.960 --> 0:42:11.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Again, getting into size as a lead.
0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:13.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Character in the couplet.
0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:22.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So we're talking small bees or large bees, and for the most part this is a use
a useful distinction.
0:42:23.210 --> 0:42:28.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Most micro Andrina subgenus micro andrina tend to be small.
0:42:29.40 --> 0:42:39.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There are some exceptions, but in general if you've got an andrina and it's
what you would and I would call small, smaller Nate millimeters, the odds are
really, really good.
0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:45.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That it's going to be in the subgenus micro Endrina and some of them are
smaller and six millimeters, they're definitely small.
0:42:45.650 --> 0:42:56.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, so there are a couple things that are similar, but they we've already
covered them because they have pronotal ridges, some micro andrina have a very
simple pronote pronotum.
0:42:56.710 --> 0:42:59.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No Ridge, no angles, and they're little.
0:42:59.960 --> 0:43:17.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the other thing I don't know saying if you we can show the wing, but in
other useful feature is the where on the front wing the the arrangements of one
of the veins with relation to the stigma.
0:43:18.890 --> 0:43:19.420
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:43:19.430 --> 0:43:19.720
Droege, Sam
Let's see.
0:43:17.690 --> 0:43:21.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know if if we can, it's hard to describe, but easy.
0:43:21.690 --> 0:43:22.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If you see it, it makes sense.
0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:24.210
Droege, Sam
Great.
0:43:24.260 --> 0:43:26.290
Droege, Sam
What's the I'm trying to think of the names.
0:43:26.300 --> 0:43:27.360
Droege, Sam
What's the one that's on?
0:43:30.250 --> 0:43:30.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
This.
0:43:32.300 --> 0:43:34.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Zoysia andrina zizia.
0:43:29.210 --> 0:43:35.910
Droege, Sam
Umm like maybe this is give me a name comma zuziak yeah.
0:43:41.620 --> 0:43:41.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:43:39.740 --> 0:43:42.480
Droege, Sam
Pictures of full ohh now you.
0:43:42.490 --> 0:43:43.130
Droege, Sam
What are you showing?
0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:43.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:43:44.990 --> 0:43:51.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So what Claire's got up on the screen are several front wings of several.
0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:55.110
Droege, Sam
Ohh good, I've got it.
0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.420
Droege, Sam
I've got one too of Zizia, but go with Claires.
0:43:59.540 --> 0:44:3.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, so look carefully at those two.
0:44:3.560 --> 0:44:4.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, all of them.
0:44:4.760 --> 0:44:9.120
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so you see the submarginal cells?
0:44:9.170 --> 0:44:9.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
0:44:10.710 --> 0:44:19.450
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And what the 1st and 2nd submarginal sell are divided by a vein that several
different names.
0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:24.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But look at the one in the upper least in my upper right.
0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:32.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's vain that splits some marginal cell one and two is intersex.
0:44:33.420 --> 0:44:34.230
Droege, Sam
Up higher you there.
0:44:37.300 --> 0:44:37.460
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:44:32.970 --> 0:44:58.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The marginal cell intersects the marginal cell sub several disc vein with
differences from the stigma and if you drop down below to the one right below
that look at the difference that vein that separates submarginal cell one and
two is much much closer to the stigma and arguably not much more than a vane
with and.
0:44:58.230 --> 0:45:6.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's the distinction most my grand arena look like that second, the the
the wing looks like the one below.
0:45:8.270 --> 0:45:8.540
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:45:7.960 --> 0:45:14.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It is variable and so sometimes you know there are exceptions, but in general
that's what you're looking for.
0:45:14.660 --> 0:45:17.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And if you see that and it's a small B, it's gonna be a migraine arena.
0:45:19.820 --> 0:45:20.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No.
0:45:20.340 --> 0:45:23.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And some of those can be pretty common, at least in the Midwest.
0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they're all, uh, spring species.
0:45:28.20 --> 0:45:31.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Some of them are specialists or specialist on Golden Alexanders.
0:45:38.730 --> 0:45:39.170
Droege, Sam
There was a.
0:45:33.110 --> 0:45:40.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Actually, too, those two species now, and there's some special special.
0:45:39.250 --> 0:45:41.660
Droege, Sam
Here you have picture chair.
0:45:41.710 --> 0:45:42.110
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:45:43.990 --> 0:45:44.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh that's good.
0:45:45.350 --> 0:45:45.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very good.
0:45:43.90 --> 0:45:47.220
Droege, Sam
So here's dizzia and you can see there's a wait.
0:45:47.230 --> 0:45:48.410
Droege, Sam
Things are measured in vain.
0:45:48.420 --> 0:45:56.830
Droege, Sam
With so there's the vein width and you can barely fit a vein width between that
vein and the stigma.
0:45:58.80 --> 0:46:9.550
Droege, Sam
If that so short and then like the other pictures showed, this little section
here, the R whatever that's called the R vein R section is usually much wider.
0:46:9.560 --> 0:46:13.400
Droege, Sam
You know it be over like here and there be 4 vain widths or more.
0:46:19.910 --> 0:46:21.430
Droege, Sam
So we can go back to the guide here.
0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:29.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And you know and and the Midwest there, half a dozen species.
0:46:30.370 --> 0:46:30.680
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:32.840
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't know how many are over in your way, Sam.
0:46:34.370 --> 0:46:37.370
Droege, Sam
We can now look at the guide here.
0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:53.730
Droege, Sam
Oops. Yeah.
0:46:53.780 --> 0:46:57.710
Droege, Sam
I got a message that I guess they're coming a little early, so we're gonna keep
it tight at 2:00 o'clock.
0:46:58.570 --> 0:46:58.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:46:57.720 --> 0:47:9.40
Droege, Sam
OK, show 22 throughout the country and if we go up to just do E, we're going to
end up there.
0:47:13.860 --> 0:47:15.580
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh yeah, yeah.
0:47:9.130 --> 0:47:18.970
Droege, Sam
So yeah, there's the list and some of these are tricky too, you know
illinoinensis I'm sometimes like ohh and solitaria like umm, I'm not sure.
0:47:31.140 --> 0:47:31.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
0:47:20.290 --> 0:47:34.90
Droege, Sam
Umm and often associated with Willow but and negre is definitely a Willow one,
but it also and some of these have a little metallic Sheen, a very sort of a
public does Confucius.
0:47:38.40 --> 0:47:38.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:38.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And there.
0:47:34.100 --> 0:47:39.340
Droege, Sam
Sort of Sheen, umm thing, but yeah, they're not super easy.
0:47:40.150 --> 0:47:40.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:47:40.410 --> 0:47:45.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the tour guides are, you know, there's no, they're very smooth, hardly
pumped date at all.
0:47:45.350 --> 0:47:48.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean very smooth without any faster to speak of.
0:47:49.70 --> 0:47:53.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So, and they're relatively hairless for an andrina overall.
0:47:54.150 --> 0:48:0.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so that's definitely a vibe for migrant my grand arena, but.
0:48:0.570 --> 0:48:2.480
Droege, Sam
Often with big tibia.
0:48:2.850 --> 0:48:3.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:48:2.530 --> 0:48:4.0
Droege, Sam
So widened flatly.
0:48:3.370 --> 0:48:5.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.
0:48:4.10 --> 0:48:6.210
Droege, Sam
Person not I think of and I think yeah too.
0:48:7.260 --> 0:48:12.560
Droege, Sam
And some of the others are sort of in between, but often tend towards Hungate,
as they say.
0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:16.760
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:48:16.820 --> 0:48:17.40
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:48:17.50 --> 0:48:18.200
Droege, Sam
Well, flip back here.
0:48:22.470 --> 0:48:25.750
Droege, Sam
So when you say big Turkey, big tibia, you're meaning that they.
0:48:28.430 --> 0:48:33.450
Droege, Sam
That they're whiter than that, not that they get longer, so.
0:48:33.40 --> 0:48:35.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, broadened kind of broadened, typically.
0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:36.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, they get, yeah.
0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:38.520
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:48:38.300 --> 0:48:40.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So here are the other couplet.
0:48:41.390 --> 0:48:46.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
AT25I will apologize for repeatedly, but because.
0:48:50.350 --> 0:48:50.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
What?
0:48:50.790 --> 0:48:51.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
What?
0:48:51.250 --> 0:48:51.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
What was?
0:48:51.940 --> 0:48:57.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I was trying to do here is to accommodate the variation that sometimes you see
in my grand arena.
0:48:58.710 --> 0:49:2.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's why there's all this ifs, ands, orders.
0:49:4.20 --> 0:49:14.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a long coupling and so, but in general like we just said, if you got a bit
be that's 101112 meters long, it's not gonna be a micro andrina.
0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:16.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So he just blow past that?
0:49:17.420 --> 0:49:26.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They're just a few occasions where you do find things that are small and looks
sort of like a micro endrina until they get used to learning what migraine is.
0:49:26.820 --> 0:49:31.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's what I was trying to trying to do here.
0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:33.520
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:41.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I'm not sure worked out, but anyway that's so then, uh, and this would be the
last thing I think we talked about today, a couple of 26.
0:49:42.580 --> 0:49:45.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, we need to look at the mouth parts.
0:49:45.750 --> 0:49:48.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's which we haven't done yet.
0:49:49.660 --> 0:49:51.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't think much.
0:49:51.700 --> 0:49:58.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the subgenus call andrina, at least the traditional subgenus Calandrino,
which is a huge huge.
0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:1.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a largest subgenus in the country of Andrina.
0:50:1.800 --> 0:50:7.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Lots of species all over the place, and all of them specialists on some kind of
pastor AC.
0:50:7.560 --> 0:50:14.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The one thing they almost 99.9% of them have in common is a very short.
0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:19.530
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The the maxillary palps.
0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:23.740
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very, very short and don't extend beyond the tips of the Galia.
0:50:25.110 --> 0:50:25.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, what's that mean?
0:50:27.770 --> 0:50:35.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's it is a really good character, but if you can't see the mouth parts
very well or clearly, I mean it can be frustrating.
0:50:37.460 --> 0:50:43.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
There are some other characteristics we'll talk about it, but if you can see
that in the mouth parts, I mean that's boom.
0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:44.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Not really.
0:50:45.950 --> 0:50:52.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And if it's associated with Asteraceae E, That's another thing, because most of
the other ones are not.
0:50:52.470 --> 0:51:8.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean the ones come follow later in the key so and because it's such a big
group, there's a lot of diversity in, in size and shape and color and like it's
it's a fascinating group.
0:51:10.430 --> 0:51:11.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Do we have any mouth park pics?
0:51:12.490 --> 0:51:13.270
Droege, Sam
I'm trying.
0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:21.30
Droege, Sam
I'm pulling up umm andrina simplex here, but I only have one photo which well,
let's just spring.
0:51:21.70 --> 0:51:25.390
Droege, Sam
So I have to say that I am not a mouth parts person.
0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:29.790
Droege, Sam
Mike is laughing cause already knows this, and one of the tricks is.
0:51:43.930 --> 0:51:44.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:46.790
Droege, Sam
So, Mike, are you pulling mouth parts on all, all your bees, some of the bees
andrina only, you know, like the mouth parts are like here, I can't see any
mouth parts are all folded and tucked under the hypotonia cavity.
0:51:46.950 --> 0:51:52.730
Droege, Sam
I can see sometimes there's some palps, but I don't, you know, know which set
and a lot of times I can't even see that.
0:51:54.40 --> 0:51:54.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:55.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I I I do.
0:51:55.420 --> 0:51:59.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, if it's if, I mean if it's an andrina, I don't know what it is
immediately.
0:51:59.830 --> 0:52:0.10
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:51:59.20 --> 0:52:1.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Like, well, yeah, I don't.
0:52:1.250 --> 0:52:3.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I mean, yeah, I I usually do.
0:52:3.450 --> 0:52:10.280
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I usually spread mandibles and pull the mouth parts on almost most bees unless
they're coming out of alcohol that night.
0:52:10.290 --> 0:52:10.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But you can't.
0:52:10.830 --> 0:52:16.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I can't do that very well because I just it provides additional characters and
sometimes saves headaches.
0:52:16.730 --> 0:52:25.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's, you know, so you spend a minute under the scope, spreading the
mandibles and pulling the mouth parts and might save an hour or more, you know,
down the road. So.
0:52:25.910 --> 0:52:27.930
Droege, Sam
And you can't go back and do it later.
0:52:29.80 --> 0:52:29.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:52:29.500 --> 0:52:30.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's it's. Yeah.
0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:34.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, you can try, but usually disastrous your head go somewhere on the carpet.
0:52:35.100 --> 0:52:35.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, that's it.
0:52:36.620 --> 0:52:37.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.
0:52:38.40 --> 0:52:41.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So the mouth part features it's important if you can see it.
0:52:41.310 --> 0:52:42.370
Droege, Sam
Yeah, look at this.
0:52:43.940 --> 0:52:45.90
Droege, Sam
There is some mouth parts.
0:52:46.730 --> 0:52:47.410
Droege, Sam
Oops, I'm.
0:52:47.420 --> 0:52:48.160
Droege, Sam
I'm gonna have to.
0:52:48.370 --> 0:52:53.740
Droege, Sam
This is terrible on discover, like it's hard to really zoom in, but I can go to
that same.
0:52:57.370 --> 0:52:57.650
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:52:53.200 --> 0:53:4.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I think, yeah, I think they kind of get the idea when they're you, if you
notice, you know, there's Max alerted palps and labial palps, labial palps
pressed up against the glass that usually.
0:53:4.300 --> 0:53:21.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But the maxillary palps are usually exposed and kind of dangling, and you can
see these don't very good, Sam, these don't reach beyond the tip of the daily.
0:53:24.780 --> 0:53:36.500
Droege, Sam
So here there's the galia and those are often visible folded, but the palps are
so you know so difficult to deal with if they're not extended.
0:53:37.420 --> 0:53:37.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right.
0:53:38.580 --> 0:53:39.420
Droege, Sam
And they're often broken.
0:53:40.470 --> 0:53:40.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:53:40.830 --> 0:53:42.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, you have to be careful of that too.
0:53:42.690 --> 0:53:44.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's just this is the traditional way.
0:53:44.250 --> 0:53:45.440
Mike Arduser (Guest)
This is the what?
0:53:45.450 --> 0:53:46.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The subgenus was founded on.
0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:50.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Traditionally, it was the mouth parts and so I just feel obligated, you know?
0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:53.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, it's when you can see it.
0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:54.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean that's great.
0:53:55.800 --> 0:54:2.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the other thing and you know, as far as a field characteristics, if you're
netting, if it's an andrina on something that's in the Asteraceae.
0:54:4.340 --> 0:54:7.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know the odds are good to call Andrina now.
0:54:7.680 --> 0:54:17.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Nemid Andrina also are specialists on Asteraceae, but they have a pro nodal
Ridge and so that's a helpful field characteristic and.
0:54:17.660 --> 0:54:20.10
Droege, Sam
They're also, do all of them.
0:54:20.20 --> 0:54:23.290
Droege, Sam
I'm trying to remember, do all of them have very compound?
0:54:25.90 --> 0:54:25.780
Droege, Sam
Scopal hairs.
0:54:28.220 --> 0:54:32.380
Droege, Sam
Umm, that's probably not the case, but I a lot of these.
0:54:32.390 --> 0:54:39.570
Droege, Sam
I don't know well enough, and some are, you know, are obscure, but I think I
think a lot of them have.
0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:49.130
Droege, Sam
I know a lot of them have, but I don't know if all of them have the, you know,
not simple hairs on the scope of but compound.
0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:55.420
Droege, Sam
Umm yeah.
0:54:49.890 --> 0:55:3.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they also have a complete proportial cubicula most of them, and and the
other thing we mentioned that there's specialists on Astro A/C E, But in
general many of them are specialists on particular genera.
0:55:7.900 --> 0:55:8.110
Droege, Sam
You know.
0:55:3.720 --> 0:55:9.550
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know there's Andrina Creganna, which is a specialist, some krigia Paul
standalone and so on.
0:55:9.560 --> 0:55:12.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So it's a really informative group.
0:55:20.490 --> 0:55:20.650
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:55:12.710 --> 0:55:23.250
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, in terms of that part of their life history in terms of, you know,
plant be relationships, so and we.
0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:23.530
Droege, Sam
Do you see?
0:55:23.720 --> 0:55:26.40
Droege, Sam
Do you see full of openness very much in the Midwest?
0:55:26.930 --> 0:55:28.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very few records.
0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:28.920
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:55:28.710 --> 0:55:29.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I think there's one record.
0:55:30.310 --> 0:55:31.230
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.
0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:33.240
Droege, Sam
And I think of that as a weird.
0:55:40.900 --> 0:55:41.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
0:55:34.420 --> 0:55:41.830
Droege, Sam
Sand specialist in June in July and I'm not sure what it's it's feeding on.
0:55:45.590 --> 0:55:46.160
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Isn't it?
0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:46.240
Droege, Sam
It's very cool looking bee very, very dark wings and just.
0:55:46.220 --> 0:55:46.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is it in?
0:55:46.950 --> 0:55:49.790
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Is it in Maryland well?
0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:50.330
Droege, Sam
Yeah, but only in.
0:55:50.420 --> 0:55:51.510
Droege, Sam
I think we only have one.
0:55:51.900 --> 0:55:52.470
Droege, Sam
I have to look.
0:55:55.790 --> 0:55:56.150
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow.
0:55:52.580 --> 0:56:7.950
Droege, Sam
I think we only have one place which is in a a sand and gravel pit across the
river from me where we found it and you know a lot of people just don't look at
that time of year and like in the sand pit in the middle of summer, it's kind
of a hell hole.
0:56:12.810 --> 0:56:13.30
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:56:10.660 --> 0:56:19.280
Droege, Sam
No anyway, but I found it also in super Sandy areas in the sand hills in South
Carolina, in the same habitat.
0:56:19.290 --> 0:56:22.880
Droege, Sam
So I think of it as a San specialist.
0:56:23.110 --> 0:56:24.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that's yeah.
0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:24.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, sounds right.
0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:26.110
Droege, Sam
To you.
0:56:30.190 --> 0:56:30.340
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:56:25.980 --> 0:56:31.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, what what we we will revisit calendar in the next week because we're
we're running up against the clock here.
0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:32.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I guess so.
0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:32.500
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:35.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And David, if you want to stay and talk, we can do that.
0:56:37.100 --> 0:56:37.490
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:56:37.530 --> 0:56:37.740
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:56:38.540 --> 0:56:39.710
Droege, Sam
Umm yeah.
0:56:39.720 --> 0:56:45.970
Droege, Sam
And you might mention the mid basic Tarsis just as that is pretty obvious sometimes.
0:56:45.980 --> 0:56:47.760
Droege, Sam
Did or did you do that already before we?
0:56:47.660 --> 0:56:48.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, no.
0:56:48.820 --> 0:56:49.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:56:49.80 --> 0:56:55.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The the mid base of Tarsus mid base of Tarsis and a lot of these species is is
notably broadened.
0:56:56.40 --> 0:56:57.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's not narrow parallel side.
0:56:57.570 --> 0:57:1.540
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's conspicuously expanded, and it's funny.
0:57:3.560 --> 0:57:3.700
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:57:1.550 --> 0:57:8.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's the mid based charts because it's not used for pollen caring, so it's
kinda curious, but that's another important feature.
0:57:7.620 --> 0:57:9.990
Droege, Sam
In. OK.
0:57:11.370 --> 0:57:11.760
Droege, Sam
All right.
0:57:11.770 --> 0:57:15.570
Droege, Sam
So I think Claire and I are gonna bail, but we'll just leave this on. Claire.
0:57:15.710 --> 0:57:17.880
Droege, Sam
Yeah, I'm gonna stop the recording.
0:57:18.430 --> 0:57:19.920
Droege, Sam
I can leave this room open.
0:57:19.930 --> 0:57:26.730
Droege, Sam
David, you guys can chat and I'll come back and close this up later.
0:57:27.660 --> 0:57:27.800
David Cappaert (Guest)
And.
0:57:27.220 --> 0:57:30.310
Droege, Sam
The stronger you're on the federal video thinking.
0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:32.500
Droege, Sam
Yeah, no cussing, no, no cursing.
0:57:33.550 --> 0:57:33.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
0:57:34.890 --> 0:57:35.310
David Cappaert (Guest)
So.
0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:35.420
Droege, Sam
No, you do have on captions it umm.
0:57:35.970 --> 0:57:37.10
Droege, Sam
It amends it for you.
0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:38.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.