Learn to ID Bees-20240214_130305-Meeting Recording

February 14, 2024, 6:03PM

1h 13m 57s

Droege, Sam 0:16
Philly or Philly.
So accurate, yes, all of the above.
OK.
Rachel, do you wanna take it from here?
I don't think we have any other announcements.

Joel Gardner 0:33
All right.
Yep.
So picking up from the last class we were on couplet, we got to complete 13, which is where the species you split off the species that have this huge.

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Joel Gardner 0:50
Umm.
Punctures dense throughout, or sparse in part, and then in part means pretty much always the middle of this item is we're going to be sparse.

Droege, Sam 1:01
Mm-hmm.

Joel Gardner 1:04
So I thought that we could go most of the dialect just the most common state is to have the punctation sparse in the middle.
There's a relatively small number of species where they're dense throughout, so I thought that we could go that way.
So that goes to college 73, and there's few enough of those we might be able to cover them all in one class.

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Joel Gardner 1:29
So these are fairly distinctive species, and as I mentioned in the last class.
For this couplet, I'm gonna go ahead and but.
I'll be on the screen.

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Droege, Sam 1:52
And while you're before, we get too deep into things, but I think maybe this is where you're going, but it would be good to define dense in the world of dilectus.

Joel Gardner 2:05
Yep, that's what I was gonna do.

Droege, Sam 2:07
OK.

Joel Gardner 2:08
So this has a perfume, Chatham, or close enough to perform Chatham.
And this is what a densely punctate screen looks like.
So in in previously I mentioned how the the kind of the key that you're looking for with this character is whether the punctures and the studium are uniformly spaced throughout, so most dialects are gonna have the punctures sparser in the middle than they are on the edges.

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Joel Gardner 2:40
So closer to the tegula, they're gonna be really dense.
And then towards the middle, they're going to get sparser.
And that's true to some extent, even in in these densely punctate ones.
So like in this specimen take I can get this little bit more in focus and see right in this area it is a little bit sparser in the middle than it is at the very edge.
There's some gaps in there that are about 1 puncture diameter wide, maybe very slightly more right here.

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Joel Gardner 3:19
But generally, they're all pretty uniform.
They're all less than one punch or diameter of heart.
So you're looking for this general sort of uniformity from Edge to edge of this udum.
And when you see that, uh, that then that's what it means.
That it's dense throughout.

Droege, Sam 3:44
Joel, I see on this specimen and I have a a another eastern per punct autumn thing on deck if you want it, but it does is the skew Tellem useful here at all?
Am I seeing a low density in the in the two sides of the center of the sides of the umm scutellum?
Is that useful or not?
I'm noticing it.

Joel Gardner 4:12
Umm, I don't know to be, to be honest, whether whether that's yeah, it's useful or not.
I know I have.

Droege, Sam 4:23
A type. Umm.

Joel Gardner 4:25
I have to try it.

Droege, Sam 4:25
I'll.
I'll just gonna.
I was going to mention that the specimen I have a per punctata has that completely pitted on the scutellum, but you said you're not 100% sure what that is, but it's similar.

Joel Gardner 4:41
Uh, yeah.
So, like my specimen, this huge helium is definitely more sparsely punctate in this sub median areas.
So yours is totally dense throughout.

Droege, Sam 4:53
Umm, we can show it whenever you want, but I think this.

Joel Gardner 4:56
That's it.
Staying that might be, that might be something worth looking at to see if maybe this is a different species after all, but I have yeah, I have seen.

Droege, Sam 5:04
Mm-hmm.
I think.

Joel Gardner 5:09
I have tried using this hotel and punctures for species level delimitation in some other species and in those other cases there is quite a bit of variation in this huge helium punctation like more than there is in the skewed them.

Droege, Sam 5:12
Uh-huh.
Umm yeah, I think.
What this illustrates is one you should people should be, you know, looking at their specimens, particularly when they have long strings to look for any departure from what seems to be patterns and those those departures can occur at different places on their specimens.
So when you're more for sorting, which is always a good practice with the 50% of your specimens which are going to be lazy, gloss some to do so you don't get overwhelmed.
And and sometimes that's useful, and sometimes it's not, as Joel has just mentioned.

Joel Gardner 6:08
Yeah.
So I'd I'd really wanna look like a nice long series of specimens to find out if this.
You tell him here if you're as useful or not.

Droege, Sam 6:18
Mm-hmm.

Joel Gardner 6:21
Alright, so that's what a density punctuates skating looks like.
So we can, I think we can move on to complete 73.

Droege, Sam 6:33
Do you want Claire to show the couplet, or do you wanna talk through it?

Joel Gardner 6:41
Uh, well, I will talk through it.
Umm you can also show it at the same time you want.

Droege, Sam 6:44
OK.
So Claire, while he's talking, I think sometimes it's useful to have it up there because not everyone has that.
Up on their screen and plus it'll be recorded.
And that's a good good.
You know a a good thing to have because then people can stop the video and zoom in and look at what was written and go back.

Joel Gardner 7:16
Alright, so couplet 73.

Droege, Sam 7:16
OK.

Joel Gardner 7:21
Uh, this couplet will just pull out proof on Tatum, which is the only eastern species that we're going to be looking at today.
Umm, the Pilosum group also comes out this way.
Those ones have those dense punctures on this team, but we covered those in a previous class, so we're not, we're not gonna cover them again today unless we end up with like a bunch of extra time.

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Joel Gardner 7:47
But I don't think we will.
So this is the only one that occurs in the east.
The rest of them are all Western.
Actually, that'd be it.
Would have been good to put it in the key.
Umm, so program Tatum has relatively short face.
Uh, a lot of the other ones that come out this way are pretty long faces.
You, if you remember the pilosum group and we were looking at those.
That's the kind of faces that a lot of these other these have, or if they have shorter faces, then there's these other characters that will sort out.
Those short faced ones.
So Sam, do you have a you have some perfume, Tatum the umm.

Droege, Sam 8:33
Yeah.
You want me to share that and we can take a look.

Joel Gardner 8:36
Yeah, maybe you can, like, show the face or the OR the menopause.

Droege, Sam 8:40
OK.

Joel Gardner 8:43
Notum are and also and then I'll show one of the other.

Droege, Sam 8:44
I can do both.

Joel Gardner 8:48
Whatever you're not showing because there's multiple characters here.

Droege, Sam 8:51
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Alright, I'm shifting to the specimen here to better show the phase.
And got it in my sights.

Joel Gardner 9:04
I'm going to see if I get them at the steering.

Droege, Sam 9:11
All right.
There we go.
Let me just angle it.
I'm just wanna make sure that we can see that it's very short, so I want to get it at a 90.
This is an important point in general that when you're looking at short and long, you need to be have the plain of the face at right angles to your microscope, or in this case the picture.
Alright, I'm gonna share and then you'll see.
Are eastern but dirty for punked Adam, and there we go.
I'm visible there, Joel.

Joel Gardner 9:54
Let's see.
Uh, yeah, yeah.

Droege, Sam 9:57
OK, I'll mention something.
It's not very visible here.
In addition to, you know, talking about the head shape is that a lot of times on these preguntas items, the Super Clipsal area doesn't show well.

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Droege, Sam 10:11
Here is a little bit raised and a little bit purple in these eastern ones, but go ahead, you'll take it away.

Joel Gardner 10:20
Uh, yeah.
So this is a.
Pretty short face.
So if you if you measure the distance from the edge of the compound eye to the edge of the other compound eye.
Umm.
So, like the widest point to the other widest point.
Umm.

Droege, Sam 10:42
Ohh, the go ahead.

Joel Gardner 10:46
Yeah.
So you were kind of moving your mouse like in the bottom edge of the compound dice, but what do you want to look at is like the furthest edge of the furthest stitch?

Droege, Sam 10:47
Have a look.
Uh-huh.
Mean sort of up here.
These is that the.

Joel Gardner 11:02
It's the the spot that's kind of it's kind of covered up by the antenna.

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Droege, Sam 11:06
Uh-huh.

Joel Gardner 11:06
So the very for the widest part of the compound eye where it herbs out from the head that it's for this point, it's like the maximum width of the head is what you're looking at for the wide.

Droege, Sam 11:09
OK.

Joel Gardner 11:21
And then for the length.

Droege, Sam 11:21
Ohh Joel, can I interrupt?

Joel Gardner 11:24
Yeah.

Droege, Sam 11:24
Maybe I was doing it.
Are you talking about the inner edge or the outer edge of the eye?

Joel Gardner 11:29
The outer edge.

Droege, Sam 11:30
OK, so from you're right directly behind the antenna edges, so the outer edges there OK.

Joel Gardner 11:36
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then and then you look at the length from the bottom of the acellus the median ocellus to the edge of the clipeus and in perfume taught I'm that's going to be, uh, it's going to be wider than long, slightly or possibly about as wide.
So you can you just, you can just kind of eyeball it here and you can see like ohh yeah that looks maybe a little bit broader than long not a lot a little bit.

Droege, Sam 12:07
Got it.
Yeah.
Well, when you have a long series, as you often do of the pilosum group, then the contrast is pretty easy to see.
It's less when you have just one specimen.

Joel Gardner 12:28
OK.

Droege, Sam 12:28
That's again points out why doing Morpho sorting is helpful and looking at lots of things is ultimately your friend.

Joel Gardner 12:38
Yes.
So there's a bunch of long faced species that also have these dense, medium punctures, and those ones the head is going to be much, much much longer than this.
It's like super obvious.
No question that it's longer, but there's some short faced ones that also need to be distinguished from perfume time.
That's what all these other characters in this couplet are for.
So it's like the face is long and less this and this and this.
So again, show some of those and Sam, if you want to twist your specimens so you can see these episternal because umm mine that I'm not 100% sure is really a real time per hung Tatum.

Droege, Sam 13:20
Umm.
OK.

Joel Gardner 13:30
The means of a sternum doesn't match what it says in the couplet.

Droege, Sam 13:33
OK.

Joel Gardner 13:36
Not the best example.
But the metapost notum, which is what I'm going to show next, those right?
So I can show that.

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Droege, Sam 13:55
All right.
So here are do.
Am I still on deck or as someone are you OK?
So this area right here I can go in even deeper.

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Droege, Sam 14:14
Right, Joel, go ahead.

Joel Gardner 14:21
Ohh.
Uh, so here.
So this is the the metapost Norum.
So Pervane Tatum, and actually most of the other species in this group with, it's the profile group is what perfume Chatham is in.
They all have are going to have this, this medication or this proposal triangle is what it's also known as this dorsal surface of the proposed Yum.
It's going to be completely rugose all the way to the posterior edge, so build with these.
They kind of like your regular ridges, and they're gonna go all the way to edge.

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Joel Gardner 15:09
There's not going to be in other species, there's going to be sort of a smooth, rounded.
Umm.
Smooth rounded slope after the posterior edge, so it's is going to be sort of like a.
Sort of like a curb at the back of the trip.
Proportial triangle.
They'll be distinctly smooth and shiny.
It's kind of like different from this course that yugos days alaria.
And actually I can go ahead and.
I'm going to grab an ephemeral allum, which is one of the species that has the alternative stage.

Droege, Sam 16:07
Umm Albal also point out while you're doing that, that one another difference.
Again, color little tricky, but often the patterns over many specimens kind of come to come clean as Joel's bessman.
Interestingly, was very blue, at least in my book.
It was very blue and this one is much more of a a brassy green color.
Which is what I normally associate per punctata with.

Joel Gardner 16:44
Yep.
So well, I'm getting this ready.
Sam, if you can show the the Meese, EPA sternum on your proof huntara umm, so the the side of the thorax is that's a another character.

Droege, Sam 16:52
OK.

Joel Gardner 16:57
That seemed in this conflict.

Droege, Sam 17:03
See vein.
Get it to show without anything blocking it.

Joel Gardner 17:26
All right, I'm going to go ahead and share.
My screen.

Droege, Sam 17:31
OK.

Joel Gardner 17:33
Ohh OK you got the music mastering.
Well, let's look at this now.

Droege, Sam 17:35
Yeah.
So this area here.

Joel Gardner 17:44
Yeah.
So in perform Tatum that area, so you're looking the music.
Is stream is the slide of the thorax and the the side of the store actually kind of divided into 3 segments.
Uh, like the tablets?
There actually are like the pronotum and the mesoderm and the venom side, you have the also those 3 segments.
So the media have a surname is the middle one, so it'll be right below the tag.
EULA is what you're looking at.
And it's a little bit covered up by a leg actually on here, but you can still see some of the punctures there.
And what you're looking for is this distinctly punctate not super shiny, but not super dull, so it's it's really.
But it says in the key is faintly polished.
So not like, not like mirror, smooth, shiny, but no, it's not going to be dull.
And it's gonna have distinct punctures.
And that's what you're looking for in per pump caught him.
Umm the there's some other species.
Where this area is going to be in punctate, it'll be more rugulose, so without an indistinct punctures and it'll be much duller than this.
So that's your contrasting with.
Yeah.
So you can see like down where that that blurry leg is at the bottom of the screen.
So right next to that, there's those inner spaces between the punctures and there's some faint tessellation there.
So there's microculture, but it's still kind of shiny.

Droege, Sam 19:59
Again, very useful to look at lots of specimens.

Joel Gardner 20:02
Yeah, and OK, so if I can switch back to Emerald now and show that alternative proposal, so, yeah, sorry, we're kind of jumping around a bit here.

Droege, Sam 20:08
Mm-hmm. OK.

Joel Gardner 20:16
So that was the means of eastern.
I'm gonna jump back to the podium.
So this is the Proportial triangle on edmore allum, which is related to perguntou.
It's in the same species group, but it's the only member of that group that lacks that totally rugose for podium.
So on here you can see those rugae they're they're definitely there in the basil half of the Herodium has that defined Ridge Rugo sculpture.
But then towards the posterior margin, it's definitely it's smooth.
It's like here we're kind of slopes down under the lateral edge.
It's not shiny, but it's definitely smooth and rounded.
It looks quite a bit different from this basal area.
There's no ridges there, just some tessellation.

Droege, Sam 21:17
Joel, I'm seeing on there, particularly when you magnify it two areas to either side of the central line that are sort of like, I'm gonna say, it looks like they're pulled up, kind of looks like little eyes and dark.

Joel Gardner 21:17
Let's see.

Droege, Sam 21:31
What's going on there that doesn't look like other species? Yeah.

Joel Gardner 21:34
These dark spots.
I'm pretty sure that's just lighting.
It's just shadows like reflections.

Droege, Sam 21:41
OK.
Umm.

Joel Gardner 21:45
So I'm going to.
Tried twisting the rotating the specimen a bit.
Yeah, and yeah, they're still there.
So I think it's just white though.
But the important thing here is just that this is very smooth compared to the basal area of the podium.
So if you see that, then it's not of her.
Contact him.
And actually.

Maffei, Clare J 22:29
There are pictures in your 20.

Droege, Sam 22:32
20 There's the 2015, 2010 looking back, I'm your reverberating there.

Maffei, Clare J 22:33
There is a refurb 2020 or 2010 key that.
Yeah, it's.

Droege, Sam 22:39
Yeah, it's.

Maffei, Clare J 22:39
I think you have something going on.

Droege, Sam 22:39
I think you have something going.

Joel Gardner 22:42
Like.

Maffei, Clare J 22:44
Even even just look at the 2010 key for more pictures.

Droege, Sam 22:46
Look at the 22nd piece of workers.

Joel Gardner 22:55
Yeah.
Also, Admiral has a pretty long face, so it'll also through all out for contact him that way.
Alright, so then these are the sternum and a postmortem.
We looked at those and then, yeah, if the if the Mendozas herga are metallic green.
Umm I've taught him.
Can be a little bit metallic so that can be a tricky one, so don't just.
They'll get the color and base it a purely on that, but it's it's a pretty weakly metallic green.
Umm there's if you see one that's like really obviously stronger metallic green.
It's not a pure function and also have that proposed Yum not so completely rude those.
So I think.

Droege, Sam 23:47
And the and T2 is not as heavily pitted, particularly towards the rim as our friends Luca, commas and pilosum.

Joel Gardner 23:58
Right, right.
Yeah. Umm.

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Joel Gardner 24:04
Persino Gaster, though, can be similarly pitted, so there's some Western ones that can look similar.

Droege, Sam 24:09
OK.

Joel Gardner 24:15
Alright, so then I think we can move on to carpet 74, moving on from perfume Kadam.
And you don't have any questions about perfume.
Tatum, I know that was a it's kind of a tricky one that people mistake a lot.

Droege, Sam 24:32
Yeah.
Awesome job there.

Joel Gardner 24:35
Yeah.
Say I think it's bad and we will come back to them.

Droege, Sam 24:36
You want to put up the guide.
I was going to ask Claire if she could put the guide up.
So we can while you're talking, look at the umm how you wrote it.

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Joel Gardner 25:00
Alright, so there's the guide.
This.
Some nice long faces.
So are you moving on to 74 or?
Alright, so this ones pretty simple.
Just is it metallic green or not and that is an Altera.
So there's not much.
There's not much variation here.
Perform Tatum is really the only one that's kind of in between, so that's why it's pulled out first.
The rest of the species, they're either gonna be obviously nonmetallic, black or brown.
Are there going to be clearly green or blue on the metasoma?
Umm, so pretty simple.
Probably don't need to spend very much time on this.
Uh, so we can do the black ones first.
Moving on to complete 75.
And that starts with T1.
And whether or not there is tomentum at the lateral edge of T1?
And this is.
This is a pretty useful erector for a lot of the species in this group.
And also a pretty useful character just for General Morpho sorting for Western species.
Uh, the one problem is that if you get Warren specimens.
Yes.
The Tom and Tom on T1 can get rubbed off a lot and there will sometimes only be a few seedy left, but if you get a Warren specimen, there's usually going to be a little bit left.
So just look for those I pressed densely.
Plumose steady is the tone and tone that you're looking for, so I'm gonna put.
Admiral, I'm back on the screen.

Droege, Sam 27:22
And usually that tomentum is bright white.

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Joel Gardner 27:26
Yes.

Droege, Sam 27:27
Is that the case here?

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Joel Gardner 27:36
And actually, the Pilosum group also has that.
Human chamant one they don't key out this way because they're metallic green.
But if you're looking for another example, those do have that to you on hometime as well, and it's gonna be yellow in those ones.
Alright, so I'm going to share again.
So this is lazy gossom, admire alum.
And here's the metasoma you can see T1 per segment here.
And here's T2, and here's here's that afresh tomentum on tea too.
So most dialectics they're gonna have some oppressed Tom and Tom and this kind of like, basolateral corner here.
But most a lot of dialectics, most of them in fact, especially in the east.
T1 is not gonna have any of that, but in these species what you're looking for on this very lateral edge here, there's gonna be some of that oppressed tone and tone right in this area.
So there's not a lot just kind of a thin line, yeah.

Droege, Sam 28:43
Hey, Joel.
And can I guide you through making your cursor larger?
It's super teeny on our screens, so you're on a a Microsoft, right?
So if you do the windows and then umm uh?
Yes.
And then type in the word cursor and you should find something that says cursor size and then you can slide it so your arrow will be big and that will be helpful.

Joel Gardner 29:14
Yeah.
Windows has so that you know when they start.

Droege, Sam 29:18
She.
You know, the little Windows key button.

Joel Gardner 29:26
And then cursor.

Droege, Sam 29:28
Mm-hmm.
And then it should.
You know, it could be.
It might take mouse size or cursor size.
Something along those lines.
And then there's there's a slider and you wanna put it basically in the middle, like 7, and then just flip back to the screen and.

Joel Gardner 29:38
Mouse.
Oh yeah.
OK, that's a giant cursor.
That better.

Droege, Sam 29:55
I I'm very.
Is it bigger on yours?
I'm not seeing it.

Joel Gardner 30:00
It's bigger on my screen.

Droege, Sam 30:02
OK, it should show up.

Joel Gardner 30:04
Uh.
Maybe if I try resharing I'll stop and do.

Droege, Sam 30:08
OK.
Because when you're pointing out these fine details, that's really handy.
I I think the cursor as is is small.

Joel Gardner 30:15
I think.
How about now?
In that big now for you.

Droege, Sam 30:23
No, for some reason it should be big.
It's like super deep.

Joel Gardner 30:27
Uh.

Droege, Sam 30:29
Why?
Let's not worry about it, but maybe another time we can try and get that to be big.
I mean I can do it on mine, so we'll figure it out.

Joel Gardner 30:40
Yeah, it's big for me.
So I don't know why it's not showing up for you.

Droege, Sam 30:42
Yeah, fine. Yeah.
OK, alright.
So sorry for the distraction, but we will look for the teeny arrow now.

Joel Gardner 30:53
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hopefully it's not as long as it's moving around.
You shouldn't be able to see it.

Droege, Sam 30:59
Mm-hmm.

Joel Gardner 31:00
Mr training movement.
So yeah, right.
Yeah, this this lateral edge here.
Just look for this little thin band of umm.

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Joel Gardner 31:11
Really.
Lumos seedy, see if I can actually.
Zoom in more.
So you can like really see the individual see D.
Yeah, here we go.
Yeah.
So like look at this right here.
Those CDC, how they're really fuzzy, they have a lot of branches coming off the side.
They're super like feathers and then contrast that.
With like these ones are stored in the middle of the segment.
These they're simple.
Thin, not fuzzy at all.
So you're real you when you're looking for that, that oppressed home and time you're looking for like Aussie Feather legs CD at the lateral edge of T1 there.
Yeah, right there.

Droege, Sam 32:27
And these tomentum patterns are really good characters in a very general way for Morpho sorting, and they come up over and over again in terms of the density and the patterns and how much is there.
Sometimes there's almost nothing, sometimes really nothing, and other times you might get nearly the entire segment.
Whatever you're looking at, whichever those tergites you're looking at almost completely occluded and discover life, we often use that as rough percentages and overscore so that you can use that as another way to get into the answers.

Joel Gardner 33:10
All right.
So I think we can move on to.
76.
So if if he won, doesn't have any tone and tone on that lateral edge like I showed you, there are two species in this, this area of the key that that don't have any TomTom there and these are both Western actually all the rest of the species we're looking at now are Western and these are fairly common.
Umm.
And so microsoap bum and Ronnie Avenger, they're they're these are closely related species.
They're in.
On what's called the Bronia Venture species group.
And they they look pretty different.
If you see a specimen of each side by side, but if you actually try to like quantify the difference and explain it, it's not easy to do.
Umm, so Matt Cooper, Soham is bigger then brony adventure.
But as I've mentioned before, size is not 100% reliable character, so small dialectics are always going to be small.
But big species can sometimes be small.
It just because of.
Umm.
Morphological variation.
Or there's there's casts in the social species, so it's not always 100% reliable just to look at size.
So the other way to tell apart Mac version of them and Brony inventor is by looking at the face.
So these are both pretty long faced species, but they're only adventure is a little bit longer and it also has.
A little bit different shape.
If we can get a specimen on the screen here.

Droege, Sam 35:24
While you're doing that, and maybe you can show this too, you use the term ocular tangent which is unfamiliar to me.

Joel Gardner 35:34
Yeah.
So the ocular tangent.
So if you remember back to your like, you know, elementary school or maybe high school geometry classes.
And a tangent line is if you have a circle and you and you kind of like draw a straight line coming off the curve that circle.
So you can do the same thing following the edge of the compound eyes on a bee.
So if you just like follow the curve and then you stop following the curve and just draw a straight line.
Uh, that's that's what I mean by a tangent.
So when I say the upper orbital tangent.
That will be a straight line drawn across the tops of the compound eyes.

Droege, Sam 36:28
Great diagrams in the key.

Joel Gardner 36:32
And OK.
You get this specimen squared up so the head is straight on, cause that's in court to do when you're looking at these headquarters, as Sam has mentioned.
Alright, now next three square so I can.
Gave him your head and share again.
Alright, so here is lazy Goss.
Peroni adventure.
So this is the smaller one with a little bit of a longer face and the key is that it's also a little bit shaped differently.
It's going to be more of an Oval face.
And what I use in the key is if you look at this upper orbital tangent, so draw a straight line across from the the tops of the compound eyes like this.
The following most that line right there, the middle of stylus is going to be more or less above that line, so it's a little bit overlapping.
That line on this D but the middle of the acellus is above that upper orbitals handwritten line, so it has this this strongly convex. Umm.
Kind of tall forehead.
So Bruny vendor.
Yeah, you can think of it as Bernie event.
You're having a tall forehead is what you're looking for, and all the ascella you're going to be well above the compound ice.
And that'll be that'll be contrasted with macro Pro soap bum.

Droege, Sam 38:39
That would be a problem.

Joel Gardner 38:47
We make grab one of those.
And.
My best to get it.
Squared up neatly.

Droege, Sam 39:13
Are these throughout the Rockies and West, or do they have restricted ranges?
Or how would you describe?

Joel Gardner 39:21
They're not in the Rockies, so they're further W than that.

Droege, Sam 39:24
OK.

Joel Gardner 39:27
So these are kind of Pacific Coast fees.

Droege, Sam 39:31
Mm-hmm.

Joel Gardner 39:31
So they're in the northwest.
California.
Uh, and they get as Far East as.
Like western Montana, Utah is probably the furthest E you're going to find these.
So pretty far West bees.

Droege, Sam 39:59
Umm.
Would be worth noting these are not I'm I'm posting the links discover like species Pages but they're not keyed to Malaysia blossom regular key.
We're waiting for those Western heroes to expand the guides to the West.
David Kappert, we're looking at you.

Joel Gardner 40:24
Yeah.
Alright, so here is a macro prosopon face so it's you can.
It's definitely.
It's shorter than than brownie event or umm, but it's kind of hard to quantify.
But important thing here is you get this upper orbital tangent, draw that line again across the tops of the eyes and the middle of sauce is gonna be like smack on the middle of that line.
So not so tall the forehead.
The Assembly or not so raised above the compound eyes.

Droege, Sam 41:05
Umm it's.

Joel Gardner 41:06
And that is a pretty good character for telling apart these two species.

Droege, Sam 41:13
Have you tried using that character on others?

Joel Gardner 41:14
Yes.

Droege, Sam 41:17
Be other specimens are are most of them above or below, or what's the?
What's the pattern?
You know, if you pushed everything through and measured them.
Or you don't know.

Joel Gardner 41:34
Do you mean for other species besides that?

Droege, Sam 41:36
Yeah.

Joel Gardner 41:37
Soho and Beroni adventure.
Uh.
Most dielectrics are going to be more like MacGyver, so if I'm so the acellular are gonna be lower down like this.
Brony.

Droege, Sam 41:48
Mm-hmm.

Joel Gardner 41:48
Eventually, it's the odd ball for having out.
And there's nothing.
There's a lot of undescribed species in the Brony Avenger group.
Uh.
Especially when you get down in California, there's uh, probably at least two or three of them that are undescribed.

Droege, Sam 42:13
Uh.

Joel Gardner 42:15
And.

Droege, Sam 42:15
So when you're using that key and you key out to Brunia Ventra venture, would you put that name on it or would you say really inventory group?

Joel Gardner 42:28
Yeah, I'd say Bernie adventure group.
All right.
So Yep, that's.
Hopefully clear now and then we can move on.
So jumping back to call about 75, back to that T1, Tom and Tom.
So those are the ones without Tom and Tom on TV.
Now if you have one with that lateral tone and tone team one, you go to 77.
And at this point in the key, this is all pretty facility.
So the credit facility group.
It's perfume Tatum at millum.
You, honey, owning Ferrari Sheffield I.
And there's also a lot of undescribed species in this, umm, in the southwestern US, and also in the northwest.
There's some undescribed species, so South of Canada, be careful in this group.

Droege, Sam 43:35
Well, is this speech and script called again?

Joel Gardner 43:35
Uh.
Heard officially.
Which is funny.
And what it's it's, uh, lazy gross.
I'm pretty facility is the oldest name species in this group.
That's why it's the period if it's highly and it's funny the the layout in the name actually literally means very difficult.
So it's the very difficult laser costume.

Droege, Sam 43:58
But.
Like the nightmare one.

Joel Gardner 44:04
Yep.

Droege, Sam 44:06
Taxonomic humor.

Joel Gardner 44:10
Yep, so Cockerell was a.
Thank God.
Yeah, Jason was not the only one to recognize that these were very difficult.
These cockerel noticed that long before.
Yeah.
So call it 77 uh.
So actually we already looked at this.
So this is the metapost note I'm this is pulling out at Marilyn, so looking at the metapost note I'm is it totally covered by that?
Those rugae, those ridges that rugose sculpture?
Or is it about 2/3 covered with that smooth rounded rim at the posterior margin?
So if you remember when I showed the Admiral amount screen, that's what you're looking at here to pull out lazy, awesome Amarillo.
So we shouldn't need to look at that again.
So we can move on to complete 78, so in this.

Droege, Sam 45:11
And he simplifies these ones are all Western as well, from from the poor.

Joel Gardner 45:15
Yes, these are all words.
So call that 78.
These are the ones in the product facility group and should be noted.
This is for for Canada, so it doesn't include the actual per difficili because that's that's a New Mexico B.
So these are the ones in Canada that have that T1 coming home and they have the completely rugose podium triangle.
Uh, so there's only four kawaii and you Coney.
So on your fire, Kai, you're probably not gonna get it as a very, very restrictive distribution.
It's only in the small area of sand dunes in western Saskatchewan and eastern Alberta, so if you're not in sand dunes and you're not in Alberta, associate Chuan.
You're not gonna find on you for a GUI, and I actually don't have any specimens of that one here, even though I did describe that species, all the specimens are in Canada, so I can't show you that one.
But I can.
Show you are you, honey?

Droege, Sam 46:34
So just to dwell a second.
So those wings would be very similar to like Alba, Penny and maybe a a very few other species where they wings just look really white.
And the reason for that is vain color and the hairs the time, the tiny tiny, tiny minute hairs on wings, which is odd, right wire hair is on wings umm that you don't see but color, color the wing.

Joel Gardner 47:07
Yep, Yep.
So on your pericoli has those those pale weighings with pale veins and pale hair.
Alex Tanney, pronotum.
Those are common eastern species that have that.
So only for Equi also has those pale wings, which is a very good hair.
Curly separated.
Umm, the other one that's useful, and actually a very good way to recognize you, honey.

Amanda Dillon 47:36
Umm.

Joel Gardner 47:38
It is the means of his sternum.
It's going to be imponte, so no distinct punctures, and it'll be really dull.
So really inaccurate or tessellate?
And I'm going to share air screen.

Droege, Sam 47:59
So for imbricate would be fish scale like.
If I remember so the little tiny microscopic lines would look like little fish scales, and maybe we could see that.

Joel Gardner 48:11
Yeah.
So invert, paid and tessellate are kind of, umm kind of similar.
So when I say tessellate, it's usually more like more square, so like more like a chess board pattern and immigrate is gonna be more irregular.
Yeah, more like fish scales.
It's a good way to describe it, but they're pretty they're pretty similar otherwise, so this is a actually again, I'm not 100% sure that this is a uncanny.
Umm, but it looks similar enough to make no difference for learning purposes so.
This is a the means of the sternum and you can see there's there's really not any distinct punctures here, and it's not completely smooth.
There are some.
Some kind of vague hits, but not really distinct fleet.
What you would call distinctly punctate and then you can also see that Ember creates sculpture in between the punctures.
Focus here, yeah.
So kind of a dull.
Slightly roughened, but not rubios sculpture.
And that is within the period of asylum group.
You county is the only species that has them each other, and I'm like this.
All the other ones are going to be much more distinctly punctate.
Unless this turns out to be undescribed species, like I said, I'm not 100% sure that it's a Uconnect.
But it looks very similar.

Droege, Sam 50:09
Pointing out that if you're working in remote areas that haven't had a lot of be people, you might think about sending Joel or Jason depending on which country you're in.
Specimens of your dialect us, because in particularly out West, there's the good possibility that new things are there, and I know they appreciate the extra specimens.

Joel Gardner 50:36
Yep.
And oh, and then let's see the last character in couplet 78.
Headlong or head round.
So we kind of already looked at that too.
You kind of it has more of a per punch chatum head.
It'll be on the shorter side, but it won't key up your punk tot on because again, I'll have that in punctate visit Mr them.
And it only for Rico.
I has a much longer head.
OK, so I think that covers 78.
So then if we jump back to 74, so going back to it was almost herga are they non metallic black or brown or are they metallic green?
So if it's strong and metallic green, it goes to 79.
So how about 79?
OK.
So again, we get to the means of the sternum.
Is it punctate or is it rugulose so shouldn't need to look at that again?
Actually, the Regulus ones in punctate ones going to get 81.
That's the tylosin group.
So these are those eastern species and we covered these in a previous class.
The means of US tournament is going to be totally imponte.
It's going to be pretty rough and trullos.
And that they're all going to have pretty long faces.
Umm.
So if if if the if you look at the media stream and it's not like that, if it's if it's distinctly punctate, often shinier, and if if they're Western, then you go to 80 and there's two species that come out this way Persino Gaster and said I.
And this is actually a very tricky species group.
With again, a lot of undescribed species in California.
So if you're in the Southwest, be careful.
But uh, in Canada anyway.
Their possible to identify.
And we're getting a little bit short on time now, so.
I'm going to quick.
Throw.
Up a set I.

Droege, Sam 53:30
While you're doing that still in asks on the vein of what?
Sanders asked outstanding bees is an option to do to hang out with us, to do a zoom call with any of the people on there.
Say I'm Jason, jewel, uh.
Dylan now has a scope with the camera.
It will love you conversation confirmation on tougher specimens.
That would be fun.
Sounds like there could be a compensation associated.
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe it's like show and tell day at some point in the future where people can bring in specimens of anything, but dialectics would be right up there and if they had the ability to show it online like Dylan does.
Or you can put a camera on your scope.
Lots of them can, and you can even slide them into oculars.
Then we can we can work on stuff.
Good idea.

Joel Gardner 54:35
Yeah, that's kind of a clever idea.
Alright, so you gotta set eye on screen now.
It's also worth noting that this group, Christina Gaster and said either in was called the Veganism group and these are all, uh, kind of.
They're not desert species.
They're typically Montagne, so they like high elevations.
They like temperate zones.
Lots of trees.
Uh, Christina.

Droege, Sam 55:11
You need the.
You need to share.

Joel Gardner 55:12
And Yep, working on it.

Droege, Sam 55:13
There we go. OK.

Joel Gardner 55:16
See.
No Gaster actually can occur in prairies and grasslands, but it also occurs in those mountains zones.
So this is a set eye and this is the the measles Skyrim.
And the museum is actually what I think the best way to tell it, tell said.
I have heart.
So said I has like one of the densest of densely punctuates. Kudos.
So it was very fine, very dense punctures and what I use in the key is this area here between the perhaps total lines right here.
That line there, that's the correctional line between there and the edge of the studium.
If you look at the back edge of the, perhaps it'll line and just go straight out to the edge of the sputum.
There's about four to five, usually 5 punctures jammed into that space, so there's so fine and dense that you can fit 5 up to 5 punctures in this space here.
And then the perhaps align is also gonna be really skinny and narrow.
Contrast that with Pacino.
Gaster and I'll see if I can get one of those up.

Droege, Sam 56:41
So again, that's an A cool character that I have not heard of before, and I'm wondering if scoring all the dialectos for example, you know because that's what we do in discovery life and counting the number of pits between the bottom of the pair apsidal line and the edge would be very useful.

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Joel Gardner 57:04
Thank you.
I think it was.

Droege, Sam 57:05
Or is it just really a another character?

Joel Gardner 57:08
I think it would be useful.
Yeah, they would just be.
Yeah, you would just be some effort to score all the all the species for that, because it's somewhere.

Droege, Sam 57:22
Right.

Joel Gardner 57:26
It's really variable, so you need to look at a.
You can't just look at like a couple of specimens in each species in score.
You can do look at a large amount of bearded.

Droege, Sam 57:33
Right.

Joel Gardner 57:34
Capture the variation.

Droege, Sam 57:38
Yeah, like one of the things about something like discover life is you can you don't have to do every single one, right?
So if you did a bunch of them and there were a bunch that you didn't have access to sufficient string, you just leave them unscored and they remain no matter what you click.

Joel Gardner 58:04
Alright.
So that's yeah, that's not really straight down on this tudom, so it's.
But hopefully you can see here since we're running short on time.
Also you can see here that this this kutum on and this is a first Sino Gaster, the scutum is shinier and more coarsely punctate.

Droege, Sam 58:26
Umm.

Joel Gardner 58:30
They're not so fine or so jammed together and.
Umm, actually it looks like about four punctures in that space between the perhaps on the line and the edge of this freedom there?

Droege, Sam 58:43
Mm-hmm.

Joel Gardner 58:47
Umm so that's.

Droege, Sam 58:48
Can you zoom in?

Joel Gardner 58:51
Yeah, I can zoom in.
Yes, maybe this is not the best example.
This is a difficult and group because they are very morphologically variable.
Occasionally you get Prestino gaster specimens.
I've seen a couple of them that look like a lot more said.
I like it's possible that they hybridize.
I think they they're there might be some hybridization going on in this group.
Umm, this is maybe not the best example, but it it is shinier and the punctures are more.
They're more separated, they have more distinct interspaces between them even.
Even if they're.
Jammed together more closely, so hopefully you can see that here.
Take this like 123, about four punctures in that space, and they're distinctly separated.
The shiny inner spaces and instead either gonna be much more patched together.
And let's see other characters on the Miss Eva.
Sternum is also going to be shinier with the punctures more distinctly separated in Cristino Gaster so skewed to manage these up a sternum, both shinier, more distinctly punctate.

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Joel Gardner 1:00:31
And the the hairs on the metas almost herga on Christino Gaster are also they're they're longer and shaggier kind of than than.
Instead, I said I have shorter, sparser hairs on the turgor.

Droege, Sam 1:00:51
You're talking about the normal hairs, not the oppressed hairs.
The prone white ones, right?

Joel Gardner 1:00:58
I'm talking about both, so all the hairs on the medicinal herb on Persino Gaster are gonna be longer and shaggier than they are in said I.

Droege, Sam 1:01:00
OK, sure. Yeah.

Joel Gardner 1:01:09
So it's actually kind of hard to quantify like he, I say there's extensive usually dense tone and tone with the hair is mostly touchy.
So that's how I tried to quantify it, but in general, it's gonna look longer and shaggier.

Droege, Sam 1:01:24
Uh-huh.
Will it look denser?
Is the effect also, uh, a greater density? Umm.

Joel Gardner 1:01:28
Yes, it also.
And then said I it's it's gonna look.
Less hairy.
And then the the T1 if you remember that lateral poem and tongue, there's also less of that and said I.
So like this is we're kind of out of time.
So if we wanna stay on, I can try to show more this.

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Joel Gardner 1:02:04
We've covered all of the species more or less after the which we yes.

Droege, Sam 1:02:08
Mm-hmm.
Might be good to show the terrigal hair pattern.
The general Gestalt thing, and you know people can dial in and dial out as they wish.
But I think if it's OK with Claire, we can just keep keep chatting here and it'll get into the video.
We're good chair, Claire.
Yeah. OK.

Joel Gardner 1:02:35
Alright, so here is the metasoma.

Droege, Sam 1:02:39
The 2010 that there's a lot of good pictures.

Joel Gardner 1:02:39
This is uh.
This is still persino Gaster.
So you can see that.
All this hair at the base of the terga it's not really totally oppressed and it's it's long enough that it can actually stick up a little bit.
So they're kind of all long and they're long enough.
They're all.
They're all touching each other and it's not super dense, but if you look at a set eye, it's gonna be sparser than this.

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Joel Gardner 1:03:20
And then.
See if I can.
See if I can get that lateral edge of T1 visible.
Is that it's like the Cromer something covering it up, but you can kind of see right here on this lateral edge, there's these tomatoes, plumose hairs and they go kind of like all the way up to the edge of the tergum and they kind of blend in with the inherent aerial fan at the base of T1.

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Joel Gardner 1:03:58
So this basal area and there's that fan there, it's kind of blends in with this lateral edge of tone and tone.

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Joel Gardner 1:04:11
And ohh and then does it also?
It should say in the key.
Ah.
Yeah.
I OK, it's not 100% reliable, so I guess I didn't use it in the key, but T1 is also going to be very, very shiny and prestino gaster you can see our shiny tea one is here, uh said I has a very dull he won usually.
So like I said, there might be some hybridization going on, so it's not 100% reliable, but usually said I have a very dull he won.
So here is Sedai again.
So.
Here's the T1.
And Yep, the apical part of TR1 is still going to be pretty shiny, but the base where the fan is, that's going to be very dull.
So you can see that that this basal area here is much less shiny.
Then the apical area.
Get that fighting on that. Yeah.

Droege, Sam 1:05:34
So that.

Joel Gardner 1:05:37
So he can see that microscope.

Droege, Sam 1:05:37
When?

Joel Gardner 1:05:39
Sure.
In this basal area.

Droege, Sam 1:05:40
Yeah.
Tricky to see, but that's where lighting comes in.
Where you want as lighting.
That's a scance rather than just straight down to see that microscope.
Sure, better.
And sometimes it's really subtle.

Joel Gardner 1:05:55
Yeah.
Is also a good kind of a good fan character for recognizing species in this group.
So you.
You can't really see it.
Here goes too dark and I don't know how to get in the lighting in there, but said I is going to have very very short sparse CD making up that fan.
And in other species like the Perdita style group, which can look similar, they're gonna have much longer seeding, making up that fan much longer.
Seed.
That kind of overlap each other.
And then actually from this view actually you can also see this lateral as your T1 and there's there's no Tom and Tom there.
Or very little tomato.
And you can.
It doesn't blend in with the carinaria.
I'll stay on.
There's maybe a little bit at the far edge here, but much sparser than it is in Persino Gaster.
And then if I see if I can show those other true guy.
Yeah, so here is the.

Droege, Sam 1:07:31
We share.

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Joel Gardner 1:07:35
Am I not sharing anymore?

Droege, Sam 1:07:38
I I showed a picture of the of the fan from your 27.

Joel Gardner 1:07:42
Ohh OK Yep, there is a nice figure of it in the paper.
So yeah, you can always reference the figures.
Alright, this might be the last.
Last share.
So here's the metasoma of Cdai Sedai.
And.
If you remember Forcino Gaster is is kind of long and shaggy said eye is much shorter and and sparser.
It's less shaggy, and there's a lot less of that plumose hometown, so you can see like these hairs.
Uh, they're they're shorter and they generally don't overlap so much.
And it's also a little bit yellower that's not really reliable.
But in this lesson in any way.
And then there's there's just less.
Less hair and it's shorter.
And there again you can see that lateral edges T1 and there's a little bit of time and come there, but it's really sparse, does not meet the fan.
So that is said, I am Cristiano Gaster.
I'm pretty common species in the mountains.

Droege, Sam 1:09:13
Well.

Joel Gardner 1:09:16
So watch out for those.

Droege, Sam 1:09:23
Alright, so I think we're on to a different group for next week.
If you're available, Joel, we'll, we'll plow plow through.

Joel Gardner 1:09:33
Yeah, yeah.
Yep, so I was worried.

Droege, Sam 1:09:37
This is good.
I think a lot of people, they're struggling here with dialectics and it's good to have clear explanations with pictures and something that they can go back to and get refreshed when they look at the videos.

Joel Gardner 1:09:55
Yep.
So those were all the all the species with dense punctures on the scutum.

Droege, Sam 1:09:55
Thanks.

Joel Gardner 1:10:01
So in addition to the ones we looked at today, there's also the pilosum group, which we covered in the previous class.
So with those, that's all the the densely punctate ones.
So next week we're gonna go back to couple at 13 and do some of the species where the scutum is sparsely punctuated in the middle.

Droege, Sam 1:10:25
Question.
Are there anything in this group that would have been in the eastern guy that are in the Canadian guy?

Joel Gardner 1:10:35
I am.
Yes, I think there are.
Let me quick check.

Droege, Sam 1:10:46
Would that be like a AH battery?
Batya and.
And you I'm there.

Joel Gardner 1:10:54
Yeah, but yeah, really.
Yeah, he think.

Droege, Sam 1:10:57
Raleigh, NC, and what about Tamiya mensis?
Is that too sparse?
I can't remember these are Deep South.
Umm, species.

Joel Gardner 1:11:07
Yeah, those are species they don't see very often, so I'm not.

Droege, Sam 1:11:11
Yeah.

Joel Gardner 1:11:13
Not certain about those and we have.

Droege, Sam 1:11:15
Yeah.
I mean we have that.
But again, I think it's better to just stick with the Canadian guide for now and we can circle back to Southern things.
And when you get, you know, you really wanna go South, then you get into Texas and places like that and it's crazy.

Joel Gardner 1:11:34
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, really.
And see Corbera mom and Tammy.
Immense and many Ashland as well.
Those all those are all Eastern southeastern species with dense postures that will come out with that dense group.

Droege, Sam 1:11:49
Yeah.
Umm, they run up.

Joel Gardner 1:11:54
Yeah, that's worth noting.
So if you're in the east like East Coast, Southeast Texas.
Umm yeah, there's there's more species that's that's, you know, punctures to watch out for.

Droege, Sam 1:12:10
Yep, they really don't get far, far north.
They'll go up to coastal New Jersey.
You can get cribari.
Mom, I don't think it goes any further and we get crewman.
We have one record of Raleigh, NC.
From from Maryland.
The rest are you really talking about Carolinas South?

Joel Gardner 1:12:30
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they they, some of them can go east or they can go West to Texas as well.

Droege, Sam 1:12:37
Yep.

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Joel Gardner 1:12:38
I've seen some really ancy from Texas.

Droege, Sam 1:12:43
Yeah, yeah.
All right, Joel.
Oh, go ahead, Claire.
Time I had a note from last time that you and Sam wanted a special sense special session on available for me to.

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Droege, Sam 1:13:02
Wow.
Bembridge fibrin but I think that that was a Jason wording question.

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Droege, Sam 1:13:10
Yeah, we can revisit that.
Another, certainly another time, but admit in the my brain bank.
Alright.
Thanks, Claire.
Thanks Joel.
Thank you.

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Droege, Sam 1:13:29
We'll talk to you later.

Joel Gardner 1:13:31
All right.

Droege, Sam 1:13:31
Happy Valentine's Day.
Happy Valentine's.

Joel Gardner 1:13:36
Yep.
Be mine.
Go look at mining bees.

Droege, Sam 1:13:43
Woo Hoo.
Well, you're you're gonna be writing cards because you won't make any money doing bees.
But you know, think about another profession.

Joel Gardner 1:13:55
Yeah, yeah.