105_Lasioglossum species_eastern evylaeus, sphecodogastra, hemihalictus 2013 key_part 2__Jason Gibbs and Joel Gardner_Dec 6 2023

December 6, 2023, 6:03PM

1h 5m 35s

Droege, Sam 0:03
All right, Jason, you're on.
Welcome back. Welcome back.

Jason Gibbs 0:06
OK.

Droege, Sam 0:08
Yeah, OK.

Jason Gibbs 0:10
Yeah. Sorry.
I'm just doing some microscope arranging here.

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Jason Gibbs 0:15
Alright, so so back to the 2013 keys.

Droege, Sam 0:16
OK.

Jason Gibbs 0:20
So this is the key, that sort of, uh, change the definition of Elias and photo gasterra umm and the the first couple is really to separate the traditionals withholding asteroid from everything else and by traditional photo gas would be basically just means species that have that our own.
A greasy specialists, they all have a modified scopa, which is the dominantly what this character is about.

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Jason Gibbs 0:55
Tonight it doesn't focus.
I please.
Alright, so I'm going to share on my other computer here really.
This is going to show.
Alright, yeah.

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Jason Gibbs 1:30
Will it?
Off kilter here.

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Jason Gibbs 2:02
So it's a little bit hard to see because the white background.
But I'm kind of looking right up here on the hind tibia.

Droege, Sam 2:13
OK.
We're not seeing, we're not seeing it yet.

Jason Gibbs 2:13
It's just a ohh.
Sorry, I'm gonna try to share that again.
I don't know why that didn't share.

Droege, Sam 2:24
It's there we go.

Jason Gibbs 2:26
Yeah.

Droege, Sam 2:27
OK, you're in.

Jason Gibbs 2:29
So I'm looking up here in the the hind tibia and it's.

Droege, Sam 2:39
We can't seem to hide tibia.

Jason Gibbs 2:39
And it's just.

Droege, Sam 2:40
Well, in that picture, there we go, that's better.

Jason Gibbs 2:45
It's a little bit.
Then the cameras got a different.
But not binocular vision.
So I'm looking through what was wrong.
I was the camera, so.

Droege, Sam 3:06
You have the same, uh, software we do and I don't know.
There's different ways to approach this, but I usually am looking at the screen as I'm adjusting the specimen rather than trying to do it through the binoculars.

Jason Gibbs 3:19
That style.

Droege, Sam 3:20
You're on.
I know if that's helpful or not.

Jason Gibbs 3:23
It probably would be better.
So so here, here's the hind tibia.
Here and I think you can see that there's a sort of fairly straight simple row of chairs on the other side.
That's the typical.
A character for these only Gracies specialists.
They basically have like a a rake of hairs and there because of the way that onagraceae Paul is connected by these three these threads and so they rake the pollen off and they get basically all the pollen at once.
Whereas in a typical lasioglossum they have this sort of, he said.
Plumose hairs.
He's really branched hairs that kind of come to kind of come together to make it a little empty.
All the space in each other but.

Droege, Sam 4:11
Jason, can you point point those out again with your?

Jason Gibbs 4:14
Yep.

Droege, Sam 4:16
I hate.

Jason Gibbs 4:17
He seems.

Droege, Sam 4:17
Us what?
We know this is to go to gastro, but what these shoes?
Or is it too good afternoon, send you later.

Jason Gibbs 4:25
So this is I'm this happens to be the the ethera that I'm showing but this is this is gonna be the character for all the last year.

Droege, Sam 4:30
Thank you. Uh-huh.

Jason Gibbs 4:35
Wilson.
Uh.
Correct.
So coding asteroid in the strict sense.
Umm, so this is the.
This is the common northeastern speech piece, kind of goes from Kansas to the, you know, Ontario.

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Jason Gibbs 4:50
Uh in the northeast?
Yeah, but there's other species that occur in the Great Plains in the West, but it to say there are common would be not correct.
But they're not rare, but because of their they tend to fly very early in the morning or late at night.
So you're unlikely to see them unless things will happen be collecting the right areas.

Matt Sarver 5:18
Really, really collected perhaps?

Droege, Sam 5:18
Right.

Jason Gibbs 5:20
There's rarely expected, but probably not rare Etheria.
Is.
Let's see if I can get this character focus here.
1.
Umm.
Is there A is relatively?
It has a very sharp proposal, Carina.
Uh, I'm fairly porse kind of rogue on the menopause notum, and it's like a very black bean.
So this is this is the only sykotik asteroid in the strict sense that has these big shark.
Right now, that's really stands at.
And he had his fairly eastern be.
So this is how you sort of key that out fairly easily.
So if I if I jump back to the key again.
That the scope of with a single row of hairs jumps us to couple of 18 and here's sort of the image of that you guys see that it's not there yet.

Droege, Sam 6:55
Nope.

Jason Gibbs 6:56
Try again.
Hey.

Droege, Sam 7:03
Uh, yes. Next.

Jason Gibbs 7:04
Listen to the listen to the image in the in the key that the sort of scopal hairs, umm, and that takes us to couple of 18.
What's the first couple of the Mickey?
I I skipped it.
And then we get to this part here where you either have a a pale orange or black metasoma and the ones that have pale orange metasoma have really enormous sell.
I can show that in a second, umm, and then you get to.
There's a couple of 19 which's proposition carinate which gives you lots of lots of another area.
Umm, this is only for the east and so we don't cover all of the Western ones, but they would, they would run to lusory him in the eastern Quay.
But if you want to keep those out, you would use McGinley 2003 and then you'll be able to figure out. Sorry.

Droege, Sam 8:04
How many?
How many species?
How many species total in that traditional sykotik Astro group?

Jason Gibbs 8:12
I would say maybe 8.

Droege, Sam 8:13
So how many?
OK.

Jason Gibbs 8:16
There's.
So there is the chip too, with enormous Asli and red admins.
That would quote to Texanum here, and then there's all the other ones are entirely black.
There's enough therapy.
East. Who's sorry?

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Jason Gibbs 8:32
I'm just barely gets into the east.
So you can sort of maybe get it in like Minnesota, Wisconsin area, Umm and but it's sorry, it's probably the most one of the most widespread in the West and it's very much the same as aberrants, umm.
And then there's one that's kind of restricted to.
Uh, California and Antioch, Kansas.
And then there's a couple that are kind of down in Texas danced or thigh and Potosi.
But you?
Yeah, they're they're very recognizable.
But you have to sort the key about using McGinley 2010 well.

Droege, Sam 9:15
And they all have.
They all have slightly expanded a sale right, although some are quite quite huge.

Jason Gibbs 9:23
Yeah, it's uh yeah.
Sellai are it expanded a cell?
I are kind of hard to see in the.
The black ones, but they're really obvious in the red ones.
See if I can.

Droege, Sam 9:42
Meaning that they're just larger in the red ones if I recall.

Jason Gibbs 9:46
And I'll see if I can.
See, this will pop up.

Droege, Sam 9:52
Yeah, it's up.

Jason Gibbs 9:54
Yeah.
So this is uh, this is actually not the vacuum, which is the one that's not in the 2013 here.
But it's mom, so it's kind of been in the kind of Great Plains, Texas kind of area, but you can see it little bit obscure, but you see the size of the of the aselli, the lateral ocelli here and the media is also it's kind of behind the Skype, but it's they're just enormous, they're ridiculous.
Uh.
Kind of similar to like megaloptera in you know, the Central America, this really big, these are these fly at like full moons at night, you know really didn't like whereas something like another era.
I remember the first time I caught it was I got up, especially early to go to work, so it was like 6:30 in the morning and they were just on the evening primrose.
But one of my neighbors house.
So we kind of early morning Flyers.

Droege, Sam 10:55
And and also late in the afternoon, we see have seen them down here, yeah.

Jason Gibbs 10:58
Right, yeah.
I yeah, I've got.
I've caught, you know, Thera like 5:00 PM on a Rebecca plant.
That's right.

Droege, Sam 11:07
Hmm.

Jason Gibbs 11:08
And it was.
It was a very shady St yeah, so there.

Droege, Sam 11:14
Yeah, this is this is the problem with a lot of floral Reese records is if you wait long enough, every bee will be on every flower at some point.

Jason Gibbs 11:26
Is that?
But this is the this is the abdomen.
So well that focus soon but.

Droege, Sam 11:46
She's currently on.

Jason Gibbs 11:47
Did you get the idea of why they're called Skoda gastric?
Because they have sort of red admins or, well, orange.

Droege, Sam 11:56
So Jason had question, you know there was that discussion on the ECDN listserv.
I think it was recently about, I think the Joel was involved there about red abdomen.
I'm lazy Blossom dialect.
This group often having a dark spot on T2 and elsewhere associated with perhaps a spherical, and then there was some God's not controversial, but some conversation around whether that was glandular or not.
Does that occur on these sykotik Astra that have red abdomens?
I see some dark spots, but now I'm not sure if that's just a blemish or as one of these our modifications.

Jason Gibbs 12:46
Your guess is good as mine not really.
Let me see anything obvious.

Droege, Sam 12:52
Yeah.
OK.
And what?
What species is still on back?
This is texting.

Jason Gibbs 12:58
This is this is not the vagueness.

Droege, Sam 13:02
And OK.

Jason Gibbs 13:04
Umm.
Doctor Bingham has a slightly different head shape, mandibles and texanum.
Existed.
But not the vacuum that the head is a little bit wider towards the base and it has kind of bigger kind of mandibles.
Yeah, whereas text animal looks a little bit different, little bit narrower towards the.
The compound is kind of converge a little bit more towards the lower part of the face.

Droege, Sam 13:46
Jason, I'm is it?
Am I tricking myself or are there longer hairs at the?
Let's call it the edge of the clipeus extending out towards the mandibles.
Then in other lazy blossoms, or is that just something umm, I'm making up a story about?

Jason Gibbs 14:04
Umm, no.
Well, you're not necessarily making up a story, but I haven't.
That's not a character that I have specifically looked at, so they're really long sedate that come off of like that kind of query, marginal part of the clypeus.

Droege, Sam 14:13
And.

Jason Gibbs 14:23
But now relatively long they are.
I don't know.
I haven't.
I have to look, so I'm not sure if that's a character or not.
Well, that is, that's not the big one.
Potentially show you what texanum just for Harrison.
Get the heads orientation.

Droege, Sam 15:01
While you're getting that ready, I'll show.
I'll share my screen and show the ranges here of two of the eastern species, if that's OK.

Jason Gibbs 15:14
Well, I yeah.

Droege, Sam 15:16
Oh.
Ohh sorry, did I just touch you off?

Jason Gibbs 15:17
Yeah, go ahead.
No, no, you're fine.

Droege, Sam 15:19
OK, OK, alright, so here is the range of Ethereum and here's the texanum.

Jason Gibbs 15:19
You're fine.
We'll jump back.

Droege, Sam 15:28
Or is it texanna?
I think it's texanum in a theory and texana texanum over here.
And what's the other one is less sorum.

Jason Gibbs 15:37
You.
Sorry, I'm yeah.

Droege, Sam 15:38
So and so?
Uh, LUSCIOR.

Jason Gibbs 15:43
Ohh no.
Ohh, I'd said news ORIUN.

Droege, Sam 15:50
And this is one of the advantages here in like using discover life, the mapper itself, you can put multiple species on here.
So yeah, so you can see how mostly there's a I guess, Wisconsin.
That's probably John Asher's record of like a placeholder and then mostly western.
So yeah, Prairie, Western and eastern and also point out that we could really use more peoples dots on those maps because a lot of information is not being expressed here.
But that's a a long ago story.
OK, Jason, go ahead and take over.

Jason Gibbs 16:32
OK.
OK.
Uh, I'll just show you the.
And texanum face for comparison.
So again, really huge ocelli super obvious.

Droege, Sam 16:43
OK, you you have to share share it.
Take take over.

Jason Gibbs 16:47
And Sharon, I can see it on my screen.

Droege, Sam 16:50
How you doing?
Ohh OK sorry.
Yeah, I was on my computer, not on the browser.

Jason Gibbs 16:59
So, so again, so it's this is really big as well.
It's got the kind of pale orange metasoma, but the the eyes are a little bit more convergent towards the below, and the mandibles are not quite as enlarged as inactivated, but not the vegan kind of overlaps a lot with examines.
Kind of the central part of its range, but doesn't it occur as Far East to make it into the eastern but?

Droege, Sam 17:28
And am I missing it?
But I still don't see your picture.
That was being you.

Jason Gibbs 17:33
I mean, I could.
I I'm on two different computers so I can see it on my other computer so.

Matt Sarver 17:37
Yeah, we can see it, Sam.
I can see it at least.

Jason Gibbs 17:39
Yep.

Droege, Sam 17:39
OK.
Alright then I must be a mess.
Ohh I see it's I'm still theoretically sharing too, so never mind.
I just turned that off.

Jason Gibbs 17:49
OK, so that's not that's texanum.
And it's maybe show.
Am sorry, I'm just for.
And then what?
I'm gonna show about it.
I'm not going to show a loser because it's more but.
Reference.
OK.
Uh, going to?
Share we go back to the key.
Gradually.
He was at the share twice.
OK.
All right.
So we're gonna go back to the beginning of the key.
So everything else kind of runs to the normal scope up and the first species we get out get rid of is something called million bonus.
It's kind of an unusual, umm B.
It's, as the name suggests, it's it's kind of related to, like marshy areas.
No, no.
Lambo is water Lily, but I've never actually seen any strong evidence that it's actually a all of your life on that.

Droege, Sam 19:27
It seems to be a wetland species for some reason, but not necessarily all only on water lilies.

Jason Gibbs 19:31
Yeah.
Right.
OK, so it's a really distinctive kind of fee.

Droege, Sam 19:48
Spring.

Jason Gibbs 19:50
So I'm kind of.
Towards the anterior margin of the sputum, the punctures get really dense and kind of move those.
So they're not in these distinct punctures like you see in most last year.
Blossom.
Yeah, but the other sort of really obvious thing about this be is the way the podium is and it's got this really clearly sort of delineated kind of through potential triangle.
And then on the sort of kind of exterior part, what I call the sort of triangular areas here that that I call the dorsal lateral slopes and kind of posterior, it has this kind of dense.
Uh.
Oppressed, highly plumose hairs to mental umm.
But you can kind of see here.

Droege, Sam 20:43
If you're sharing your microscope, it is not available.

Jason Gibbs 20:47
What's that?

Droege, Sam 20:48
We can't see our clearer and I both can't see the picture.

Jason Gibbs 20:50
Oh no.
Ah, sorry, sometimes that whenever I'm sharing and sharing, I have to share twice to once to get out and wants to the flip. Sorry.

Droege, Sam 21:00
I would have flipped.
Umm, think so much.

Jason Gibbs 21:02
So I was talking like people were looking at.

Droege, Sam 21:02
Here we go.

Jason Gibbs 21:06
I could see, but so here is Nelly and bonus.
So again to the anterior margin of of the of the scutum, the puncture has become kind of rugose kind of this like a wrinkling rather than punctuation.
And then this very clearly delineated or podium triangle, which uh and then all the proponent exterior to that has this sort of kind of dense tomentum it's kind of.
Sort of short appressed hairs.

Droege, Sam 21:37
It's very yeah and very Gray.

Jason Gibbs 21:39
So this is the bonus? Umm.

Droege, Sam 21:43
And very Gray hair.
It's not bright white.

Jason Gibbs 21:45
Yeah. So.
In the East, there's nothing else like this.
This is very, very unique species of east parts and mistake for anything else.
When you go further W, you'll start to see some other bees that have a proposed Yum kind of similar to this.
Not maybe as as extreme. Umm.
You know from, you know, Texas down to sort of Southern California, there's some various species that sort of seem to be very closely related to telling bonus but different so.
Robert Sonia is blonde and Gustavus is another.
Just in Colorado.
And then there's some undescribed species.
But they they tend to have more sort of distinct punk punctation kind of longer heads.

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Jason Gibbs 22:36
Than they'll works nothing about the food standard head.

Droege, Sam 22:41
Are they wetland related at all?

Jason Gibbs 22:45
Uh, not to my knowledge, but they're very rare.
So we we only have, we only have like a few specimens that just have like a town named kind of location data.

Droege, Sam 22:48
Yeah.

Jason Gibbs 22:52
So beyond don't have specific habitat data.
Umm.
OK, I'm gonna jump back to the key.
Yes.

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Droege, Sam 23:14
Nolan bonus, right?
So from from character two that we're saying.

Jason Gibbs 23:18
Yeah.
So yeah, now Boris is a species that it's good to find.
You know, it's not.
Again, not like the most rare thing in the world, but as it's kind of, there seems to be a bit about habitat specialists.
Not.
I'm always happy when I see.
It so the the, the the other sort of half of that couplet is just basically regular punctation or mosquito uh and doesn't have these sort of dense hairs.
So that gives us to three.
Did you guys cover pectoralis last time? Yep.

Droege, Sam 23:52
Can't remember, so I I kind of feel not.
I don't think so.
I don't have it highlighted, so I don't think so.

Jason Gibbs 24:04
Well, the raley's actually relatively abundant in some areas and.
It's kind of defining feature is that it's like at a really rugose.
For sculpturing.
So if you're thinking in like standard dialect, this.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know if this thing shot very well.
But it's kind of so, yeah, the character is basically mysap sternum entirely coarsely rugose, and it's it's kind of like if you took, like, something like for Sony eye and made it entirely black.
That's kind of what you're looking at.
So here's the Messiah that's kind of upside down, but the.

Droege, Sam 25:02
Share screen screen problem.

Jason Gibbs 25:05
It's.
Oops.
Yeah.
Sorry, you'd like a a reminder single time.

Droege, Sam 25:13
There we go.

Jason Gibbs 25:14
There we go.
So, uh, if you look at the means of the sternum, which is kind of visible here, this is just like completely coarse wrinkles through those.
Umm, not not a lot of these.
No species in this key are kind of weekly rugulose state.

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Jason Gibbs 25:35
You know, they have some fine wrinkles, but it's not.
It doesn't stand up and this is like a Raisin, you know, just like a really religious, umm.
And punctures are fairly coarse on the scutum and the proposition which initially be visible when this specimen is also very forcefully sculptured, so it kind of reeks havoc with the trying to distinguish the subgenera because.
Usually the photic asteroid we talked about them having, like in a broad sense, we talk about them having carinate for podia.
OK.
Any like this did not.
So they try to.
Five years.
So you can sort of see.
There is really poor sculpturing on the prodigium and it. Carina.
Don't go straight up like in a Spota Gasper.
Really, they're kind of like out to the side of it.
Then there's these really strong oblique Carina, that kind of come across here.
You can see my mouse.
Umm, so it gives us a appearance, a really close sculpture.
And that is, yeah.

Droege, Sam 26:57
Hey Jason, do you want to maybe mention in a very broad way.
So for example, the mail picked her alley and the female pectoral.

Jason Gibbs 27:06
So you.

Droege, Sam 27:07
I looked very close to one another and other groups of these dark ones do not.

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Jason Gibbs 27:12
It.

Droege, Sam 27:14
What's the pattern?

Jason Gibbs 27:19
But so in a lot of the traditional Hemi hallitus the the males have relatively short flagellum meters, so they're intended to not look very long.
Umm so I can should be about.
OK.

Droege, Sam 27:39
Which which is often the case in like dialectos group.
Let's just in contrast, you can you can spot them a mile away and it's it's often every once in while.

Jason Gibbs 27:44
I'll see it.

Droege, Sam 27:50
I'm like, oh, wait a minute.
This is a mail with pectorale for example, but I think also Neil and bonus.

Jason Gibbs 27:54
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's if I if I have a mail here I can show you.
Ohh we I'll have a mail here in a SEC.
Let me see Hector, Hector valley.

Droege, Sam 28:18
OK.
And then other groups develop a lot of yellow on the rim of the clipeus.

Jason Gibbs 28:33
That.
Problem with the problem with these is hard to find the mails because they don't stand out and then.
I don't know.

Droege, Sam 28:45
You can pull them up from discover life.
I just put a link in the chat.

Jason Gibbs 28:51
But I'm having trouble finding a male pectorale, but I can find.

Droege, Sam 28:59
AJ patient Claire just put a a mail a link to a mail on in the chat for people.
If you can't find one, and I think the key thing is is like it's super similar and the scapes often are a little shorter, as is often the case, but because it's got shorter on average segments than, say, some of the other lazy blossom groups, they can trick you up.

Jason Gibbs 29:33
OK, this is not the.
This is not effectively couldn't find a picker rally, but I I found the.
Australians.
Which I think this is a male 1234567891011.
Yeah.
So this is a male luster ends.

Droege, Sam 30:02
So people should be aware that if Jason can't eyeball it and say it's a male or female, it's it's gonna be tricky.

Jason Gibbs 30:02
And.

Droege, Sam 30:10
So you gotta watch out.

Jason Gibbs 30:12
Yeah.
So this is kind of true in a lot of like the heavy, the the most of the heavy hill like this, the foxy eye group is an exception to this.
But usually the the male and tenant has 11 flagellum meters with the flagellum is relatively short, so it has the sort of female like appearance.

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Jason Gibbs 30:32
And in a few of these, like pectoralis, Magnolia bonuses right lustre hands, the faces are also entirely black.
And so, hey, you don't have a lot to go on basically this, you know, without spotting them by eye is a little bit tricky.

Droege, Sam 30:51
Right.

Jason Gibbs 30:51
And of course, they're not very.

Droege, Sam 30:52
And they don't necessarily, they don't necessarily slim down as much as, say, again, the dialectos group males do so that they're still pretty robust even on the abdomen.

Jason Gibbs 31:04
Yeah.
So you have to look closely.
You'll let me look this one for males.
But there are some.
Like I think you might have covered things like so Pinky.

Droege, Sam 31:21
Mm-hmm.

Jason Gibbs 31:22
The last time that group so pink eye, Swank eye, and Federici, they also have relatively short antenna.

Droege, Sam 31:25
Yep.

Jason Gibbs 31:31
But their males have, like kind of these sort of macrocephalic heads.
So they really have lots of yellow and big heads, so they stand out a little bit obviously.

Droege, Sam 31:35
Yeah.

Jason Gibbs 31:41
I'm gonna jump back to the key to see where we are and then ohm figure out what to look at next.
Anyone has any questions?
You feel free to stop me, but OK, so this is we're getting into some other sort of nearish kind of stuff.
So the next couplet is pro.
The pronotum has this sort of sharp, uh, angle, that sort of extends umm, kind of, from the prone, the dorsal lateral.
Angle down across.
Uh, the side of the head?
Umm this can be a hard one to sort of visualize.
Umm, but we'll see if I can find these discussions.

Droege, Sam 32:27
It's similar to Andrina, so when you know the when we talk and answer codes and a couple other species where there is for whatever reason, this raised often very sharp and sometimes that's an indication of species differences in running down the pronotal collar from that pronotal angle.

Jason Gibbs 32:47
Oops.

Droege, Sam 32:58
Pardon.
Claim.
Umm. Planking.

Jason Gibbs 33:05
You're my best to be acceptable.

Droege, Sam 33:06
Swanky would be like.

Jason Gibbs 33:12
Let's see if I can, it's visible.
And for this.

Droege, Sam 33:30
When you see that sharp angle in any of these lazy blossoms, or you know it's a air quote, good species like ohh.
This is interesting.
Yeah, you'll have to figure it out from there, but the more most common case for the most common species are the pronotal collar.
Is a smooth horse collar type of thing where there's no really defining bridge or angle is Jason is pointing out.
Same thing would be true of the parasitic dialectos species.
Well, most of them right, I think in a few odds and ends like header enanthem.

Jason Gibbs 34:14
I I'm not sure how it it's a hard thing to show in two dimensions like I was.
This is something I wanna be able to rotate the specimen around, because then you can see the the transition of where the light is shining and reflecting off or be where it goes black and so it's easy to see, but you're basically looking right here.

Droege, Sam 34:22
Uh-huh.

Jason Gibbs 34:33
So you see, this was really bold kind of hot spot where the light is.
And then there's this kind of edge right here where it goes straight to black.
That's where basically where you're looking, and if it's a rounded specimen, then that transition of light to dark should just kind of be gradual because the light is just kind of gonna bounce off one surface into the gradually sort of decay as it kind of goes around the bend.
Whereas when they're that Corona is there, it's just a sharp deviation.
That's kind of what we're looking for.

Droege, Sam 35:02
Can you can you sharpen that up a smidge?

Jason Gibbs 35:06
I'm trying a little bit but.

Droege, Sam 35:09
Yeah.

Jason Gibbs 35:12
Be like, oh, hang on, it's not Blige here could change.
These are just just flew into my bead.
That red strings appeared out of nowhere.

Droege, Sam 35:23
Wow, look at that, you know.

Jason Gibbs 35:27
Hydrostatic forces.
Uh, yeah.
So it's hard.
Yeah.
Again, it's kind of hard to, but it's gonna.
Very good.
My brain works this way, but right here when my mouse is, that's an edge.

Droege, Sam 35:48
Umm yeah, this is always a tough one for people.
Starting out is to see that, and it's a great character, but it's one of those things where working with known specimens is particularly useful.
Rather than than trying to make up the presence of a sharp edge when none exists, as when you're starting out.

Jason Gibbs 36:10
Yeah.
And it's kind of independent.
So it so if you look if you use like the last day of losson key like beginning 1986, it's a character that pops up periodically for certain species and it occurs in our app for that.
All of them in the 2013 keys are like here we go like this.
None of these decoding asteroid have this character, and it is also something that you see in the parasitic file like this.
Especially it seems to be connected to macrocephaly.
So in the Henry Hill liptus, all of the species, I think it's fair to say that have this character in the female of macrocephalic chamales.
Uh, and then the inverse.
If you're looking at dialectics, if you the way to find dialing parasitic dilectus males is that they have this character, so their heads are not Microsoft like, but it carries over from the other opposite sex.
So I think that's what's going on here.
This is a carryover from the fact that males have this.

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Jason Gibbs 37:13
OK, I'm sorry but that little red string and made my specimen look less attractive.

Droege, Sam 37:19
Are you are you wearing red?

Jason Gibbs 37:22
No, it just it just flew in.
It's even like it enclosed in a little like diffuser.
So it just appeared out of nowhere.

Droege, Sam 37:28
Hmm.

Jason Gibbs 37:30
Umm OK so.
This is good because I the we're at couplet UH-4.

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Jason Gibbs 37:40
So we jumped.
It's got a sharp comma, so gonna jump to a couple of five in the inner spur with approximately 15 to 20 teeth.

Droege, Sam 37:44
The.

Jason Gibbs 37:48
Uh, super.
Clear sparsely punk dates.
Umm.
There's other things that aren't in this piece, so this is actually the species we have in front of us now is this last year we lost some picked and atom.
Umm, which is a relatively.
Relatively uncommon bee kind of mid latitudes and it's a specialist on physalis, so if you have any ground cherry blooming anywhere near you go look UPS to this.
Have two bees?
Umm, you can kind of see here.
Maybe just slightly on the means at this tournament is quite smooth.
You can kind of see some.

Droege, Sam 38:28
Need a share their.

Jason Gibbs 38:30
Yeah.
Sorry I'm trying.
And.
But.
So it's a relatively smooth bee.
I'll see if I can show you the Spurs.
Express our part to see.

Droege, Sam 38:58
So I'm I'm unclear on what the last bee was.
I thought it was swanky or swing swanky, but was it?

Jason Gibbs 39:05
Now we are looking at Picton Atom.

Droege, Sam 39:08
You know before that.

Jason Gibbs 39:12
Uh, we had picked her alley.

Droege, Sam 39:12
You know.

Jason Gibbs 39:14
You looking for this?

Droege, Sam 39:15
So then this is pectinata.

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Droege, Sam 39:17
It was.
It's the same as last time.
OK, because it has the the sharp Carina too.

Jason Gibbs 39:30
And try to show you the spurs.
But it still might be a little tricky.

Droege, Sam 39:38
Yeah.
So those birds are a great character and a lot of times, though, I get very frustrated, particularly if you have the usual crumpled up specimen where the legs fold in next to the body or against each other.
Sometimes it's hard to see that inner tibial spur very clearly.
It's not a quick.

Jason Gibbs 40:01
Yeah.
I'm in the house.
You were struggling here.

Droege, Sam 40:06
And you may not have even enough magnification on that microscope.

Jason Gibbs 40:31
Whilst, but I'm not there yet.
Yeah, it it's.
And most most last you've bossom like dialect disks and so.
Any like this tend to have affectionate intermitted tibial spurs so that.

Droege, Sam 41:03
So you can really see big teeth essentially.

Jason Gibbs 41:07
At so yeah, so normally you have these sort of you know the first tooth is really big and then it gets a little bit smaller and a little smaller and you have like three or four of these could almost like little fingers.
Uh, where is this?
The there's a little bit of focus, but there's just these little tiny fine teeth.
That in your spirit.
So it's quite different than anything else that you will see.
Uh in Eastern massive wasn't.
So pretty distinctive.
It's a it's a very recognizable bee.
If you find it, but they're they're pretty rare.
OK.

Droege, Sam 41:46
Yeah, we've done a lot of collecting on for sales and grow it here at the lab and we've yet to come across that species even though it is known from the state.

Jason Gibbs 42:02
See if I can get them back.
Face yes.
Got a relatively kind of slightly elongate face with very smooth, kind of shiny bee.
Yeah, pretty distinctive.
Yeah, it was.
Uh Charlson was the one who cheated.
Feed in that it was maybe A5 Spice Alice specialist and I was at Cornell and and I just first time I found five sales growing.
Sure enough, he was on it, so I think it's pretty, pretty reliable.
This kind of the range of this B is not very well understood and that it kind of goes if you look at the.
If you look at the 2013 paper, is this this kind of like straight line that kind of goes from like mid latitudes to?
You kind of towards Illinois, just kind of like just East West.
There's like no north, South kind of spread to it.
Umm, it gets into Minnesota.
That's what as far as it goes, as far as we know.
So more people need to get out and look at physalis.
If you don't get kept in atom, you'll get some collides and heard about that or just.

Droege, Sam 43:27
Yeah, for sales.
Right.
If it's Alice's very weedy, almost in lots of circumstances, so it's around and at the ranges super extensive.

Jason Gibbs 43:44
Yeah.
I think for me at least my like my challenge with that is because the flowers kind of was kind of greenish yellow and it's upside down that it's easy to walk by, it, not lose it.

Droege, Sam 43:53
Yeah.
Yeah, that's also true.

Jason Gibbs 43:58
But it's worth, it's worth looking at if you find it.
OK.
Umm, yeah, there's other bees that specialize on, too.
OK, so the the the standard state is that you have the initial inner spirit that has like four or five teeth and you know the the one to closest to the bee proximal is much longer than the width of the spur itself.
Umm, so that's where we normally go.
I think you guys covered so Pinky last time.
So I'm gonna jump past that.

Droege, Sam 44:25
Yeah.

Jason Gibbs 44:26
Umm, the other ones that we have?
Thank God.
So Swink eye and fit aranci are tend to be.
They're they're almost.
That's right.
This is a Swank eye.
Who?
Uh, I'm so much sharing so right.

Droege, Sam 45:15
Sure.

Jason Gibbs 45:17
Share once shared just.
So it's Swank eyes sometimes has a like an orange that is oma.
Umm.
And your seller or maybe a little bit expanded and they tend to fly?
Kind of later in the day and so.
They're kind of moving toward it seems like they're moving towards, like poetic asteroid restrict sense kind of behavior.
Uh, but they have normal scope of.
You can sort of see that scope up here.
It's a plumose, almost standard scope.
Also, they're not.
They don't have that.
Those rate like hairs, it'd be really easy.
It's a mistake.
Please for like I'll do sorian style especially whenever they have like a brown that is the first time I saw Swink guy.
I thought I had found some undescribed species for the gastropods.

Droege, Sam 46:25
We have a male or female on deck.

Jason Gibbs 46:27
What's that?

Droege, Sam 46:28
Or I guess sofa.
So it's, you know, female.

Jason Gibbs 46:30
Yeah, this is a thing.
Yep, this is a female. Umm.

Droege, Sam 46:34
Do you get parts, Mark forms and and the yellow brown forms like in so pensi you do, but does that true for swanky?
The.

Jason Gibbs 46:48
Uh, yeah, sweet guy has brown and red forms.
Yeah.
Let's see.
This is the mail.
Pull that out of focus.
Umm.
And.
Even things making sounds so like OK.
So unlike some of the other heavy like this get really bright yellow mark, but it might be as bright and the mandibles are quite large long.
They kind of extend.
Uh, it's quite far and and the the clipeus is quite flat.
So it's kind of almost like a state you see in some of the last you've lost something.
Mails that were speaking about subgenus Classic Lawson.
And this is a character.
The gene has a little bit wide, but this is this is kind of.
Uh, this kind of face shape that collectible mark the the big kind of like pointy manuals is similar in males.
So Pinky smells of federacy.
It's kind of like there are huge.
They're kind of a policy related group of species.
Don't know if I have.

Droege, Sam 48:44
Can you explain in like so?

Jason Gibbs 48:44
Or.

Droege, Sam 48:45
This is some obscure language in the key umm, I fell apparel area punctate and show the pronotum with the Carina ending posterior of the illegal sulcus.

Jason Gibbs 49:00
Yeah.
I'm gonna see if I can show you something along those lines, but that's that's a bit subtle.
But they all builds.
It's a male.

Droege, Sam 49:16
Yeah.
Doesn't.
Uh, like Mitchell?
Give that a a different name.
For my.

Jason Gibbs 49:22
I think, Bradley, I might be, is describes it.
The see if I can get this in focus for you folks.

Droege, Sam 49:50
It's basically a mound just below the four wing on the mizpe sternum or the plural.

Jason Gibbs 49:50
What?
There's a I don't think this is in the key, but there's another way of telling the part.
Swink eye in Federici.
Umm, this is a federal agency and the meta the length of the podium, kind of the longitudinal length quite short.
It distinctly shorter than this new Tellem.

Droege, Sam 50:30
Oh yeah.

Jason Gibbs 50:34
Whereas in a Swink eye, it's this wonder it's more similar to the life of the sweet talking.
Umm, I've never seen a federaci with a red metasoma, although I wouldn't put it past them.
Umm so I I originally I thought ohh swanky has got a red metasoma inferences black but there are black.
But they're not very they're not as common as the red phone as far as like.
Umm, it would be very hard to show you the from neutral character that's in the the key.
See and jump back to the key to see if there's anything else to go off of.

Droege, Sam 51:19
And at the Hyper Emerald, Hyper, Hyper, Hyper, hyper immoral, emeron and also just a quick question to Jason is are all these three so Quincy, Umm Federale and Umm swanky.

Jason Gibbs 51:24
Uh, yes.
Right.

Droege, Sam 51:39
Are they all sand specialists?

Jason Gibbs 51:42
Uh, as far as I know.
So.
Uh, I think one of the longest series that I saw working on this paper was from the Indiana Lake Shore Sand Dune, Marshall Park, or whatever it's called.
Umm, we get Swank eye here in Manitoba, but in, like in our internal sand dunes that we see up here.
Umm.
Centered sees.
So it's one guy seems to extend a little bit farther N it kind of goes up into like Alberta even and federaci seems to be a little bit more localized in the Great Plains.
Uh, it's my colors.

Droege, Sam 52:27
Yeah, I've only seen comments.

Jason Gibbs 52:27
Better entity is from feed or text.
The type of button.

Droege, Sam 52:31
Yeah, I've.
I've only seen these in sand sand areas.

Jason Gibbs 52:35
Yeah.
Yeah, and yeah.
So there are they can be abundant in if you find the right location, but generally speaking you don't see them in collections, cause the restricted habitats and they seem to like to fly kind of outside of normal working hours some extent.

Droege, Sam 52:59
Yeah, they will show up.
They will show up in bowl surveys, though.

Jason Gibbs 53:02
Yeah.
Ohh.
I wouldn't say going back to pectin, Adam for a second pectin.
Adam males are very have a very extremely weird macro stuff like heads.
Umm, but they're incredibly rare collections, so I sort of suspect that they're probably hanging out in the nest.
We see them very rarely.
I've seen maybe two or three by life.

Droege, Sam 53:42
So Claire says there's a comment about in the in the comment sections, or she's interested in the defining better the what is it?
The hypo.
Uh, and type of neuron or I always get that hypo ephemeral area?

Jason Gibbs 53:55
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll see if I can find a specimen.
Like where it's not blocked by a leg or only.

Droege, Sam 54:08
Can you give us words also to define it?
Is this like the anterior part of the meat that the sternum or questionmark?
There.

Jason Gibbs 54:17
Uh.

Droege, Sam 54:17
It's like a little hill now below the junction of the wing and the plural.

Jason Gibbs 54:25
You're looking for.
Let's see if I can share.
OK.
Yeah.

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Droege, Sam 54:43
This is also a useful character in CODIS, yeah.

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Jason Gibbs 54:50
OK, so this is that means the sternum.
Here, here's your tegula.
I hope everyone can see that there is this uh pre episternal groove that runs down uh.
We can sort of see this thing sort of pairs that that's basically where it is.
That's a preposterous events down here and then the back.
You have the but epistolarum.
That's this kind of plate here.
It's kind of narrow thing that runs down to the hind hind coxa there's the mid coxa and right.
You said you see my mouse.

Droege, Sam 55:26
Yeah, I am, yes.

Jason Gibbs 55:27
Yeah, correct.
Yeah, right where my mouse is.
That's that's.
That's a structure called the scrobe.
So it's kind of this little like pit indentation area and there's a scroll groove that kind of runs front to back along that.
And this little box right here.
That's the hypoechoic neural area.
So hypo means above ephemeron.
Is this the structure?
So it's this, it's the top part of that.
So right below the tabular there's a sort of square.
It's kind of defined below by the scroll of the roof.

Droege, Sam 56:04
And it's almost always rinsed alright.

Jason Gibbs 56:04
That's weird.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's because of.
Yeah, because there's this.
There's a group below it.
This is it's kind of like a mound.
It's, you know, it's defined in the back by this, you know, the the separation between the Meese episternal and the menaphos sternum.
And there's the pre episternal group that runs in front of it.
Spiral groove below it, and so it's it's it's got like a ditch of like a all the way around it.
So this is kind of kind of like raised area, but yeah, the the sculpture in here.
Sometimes differs from the sculpture on the rest of these epiceram.
So like in some of this for codes as Phillies, lettuce, and towns eye, it's relatively smooth.
And others just kind of wrinkles and then swink eye can't really see it very well here, but it's relatively smooth.

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Jason Gibbs 56:57
Just teams.
Punctures.
I guess that's what the key says.
Umm, so it's it's not a character that I I use too many too often for local blossom, but occasionally it's just.
But that's the hypoechoic neural area.

Droege, Sam 57:18
Ohh.

Jason Gibbs 57:18
I use the phone of the lobe here.
Alright yourself.
So this is the top part of the music was.

Droege, Sam 57:30
Now we are.
At.
At 2:00 o'clock you want to wrap it up here?
Or were there any more questions?
Or did anyone want to see Veterancy again?
So we can finish out that couplet.
Right.
Once going twice.
On May wants to share that they're hiring a postdoc to work on pollinator ecology, and it's crazy.
Who is it?

Hongmei Li-Byarlay 58:17
Hi, it's me.
So I work at Central State University where HP CU1819 line grant.

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Hongmei Li-Byarlay 58:28
We got this USDA funding to hire a post doc.
The postdoc will work on the sale flowers and silphium and also other pollinators come to see a film.
So there's part of it is to all the B identifications.
If any of you know any good, you know, PhD students graduating or anybody, look for post docs.
Please let them know we have a other job hasn't posted yet, but I have a link to uh Google form.
So somebody can fill out the form and when we have the job posting ready, I'll just send to them is that yes.

Droege, Sam 59:16
So I just a quick question.
Why silphium?
Why?

Hongmei Li-Byarlay 59:21
Uh.

Droege, Sam 59:21
You know, that's kind of narrow.

Hongmei Li-Byarlay 59:23
Yeah.
So Sylvia, it's in a kind of like a sunflower.
Umm.
Type of smaller and we're working.

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Hongmei Li-Byarlay 59:34
We're collaborating with Ebony Morel from the Land Institute in Kansas.
So they are doing a lot of breeding cultivate of silphium and we're trying to introduce this plan to Ohio for conserve for soil conservation, for pollinator health for, you know, try to have more habitat of good polling there to habitat for, for the land here in Ohio.

Droege, Sam 1:00:06
It is a they can be very aggressive or thuggish, and I recently read a a paper I'm I think I have this right that they introduce one of the silphium species to Poland.
I think it was as a biomass.
Plant which is.

Hongmei Li-Byarlay 1:00:27
Yes.
So, right.

Droege, Sam 1:00:30
Go ahead.

Hongmei Li-Byarlay 1:00:30
And there's also with the Land Institute.
They have silphium studies in Argentina.
I think I'm trying to remember South America in in Kansas variety places.
So we just wrote this proposal and we thought we'll give a try and and the first time we wrote it and we got it.
So yeah, so we we are working with ten different farms now they have different design on the plans and pollinator population and we want to compare them.

Droege, Sam 1:00:52
Now, now.

Hongmei Li-Byarlay 1:01:07
Yeah.

Droege, Sam 1:01:07
Yeah.

Hongmei Li-Byarlay 1:01:07
And also study the special honey out of the bees.

Droege, Sam 1:01:13
Yeah, that'll be super interesting.

Hongmei Li-Byarlay 1:01:13
This comparison of, yeah, amount, you know, different bee pollinators, honey bees and other wild bees.
So I post the link in there anybody it's interested or tell anyone you know.
So we try to hire a good person to work on this project.
It's a three year project.

Droege, Sam 1:01:35
Like ohh.

Hongmei Li-Byarlay 1:01:35
Yeah.
Thank you so much.

Droege, Sam 1:01:38
And Sam, do you want to mention recruiting experts?
Yeah.
So Claire and I had a discussion today particularly, you know, coming into the holidays.
So it's we tend to like what are we going to talk about today and then let's call Jason or Mike arduous or whatever.
So we thought that we would try and schedule things out and amidst that we assembled a list of of taxonomists of, I don't know, Claire, did you post that at all?
I did not.
OK.
And who we're going to get in contact in addition to Jason and several of the other people.
So if anyone has any particular taxonomists they would like to recommend or would like to hear from, will talk to them.

Jason Gibbs 1:02:23
Right.

Droege, Sam 1:02:24
So you know, we haven't gotten, we just put that list together, but we're gonna do things like see if we can get Mike angle to talk about bees and amber get Molly Rightmyer back on the talk show circuit to talk about Tribulus and Tom Warner.
Ferko on EPS Zach Portman on Macro Terra and Perdida and and other people.
So we're just looking for a diversity of experts, ohm and or people with lots of experience identifying bees.
So we're open to all kinds of stuff.
We have a longer list.
It's not just those folks.
Terry Griswold, Corey Sheffield, Lawrence Packer, and we're not just restricting ourselves to the east where very interested because there are a lot of people interested in Western species too to bring that in.

Jason Gibbs 1:03:13
You know.

Droege, Sam 1:03:17
So you can email us or you can drop it in the chat.
Who you would like to see, or what groups you're interested in that we haven't covered very much, we still have no mada, but my collection.
And Amada is at the Smithsonian right now.
So umm, we'll try and bring that back and then I would love to spend 5 weeks at least on nomada.
It's my favorite group.
So one class per species, right?
Well, whatever a species is like, the problem with nomada, you get the bidentate group and the molecular stuff is all over the map.
And same is true of the white CT things things like prestonia pygmy as AI Illinois and see what are what are those, you know, is a really good question and a lot of things in the past were color pattern oriented like ohh this has six spots on the abdomen and this has eight.
So let's call them something different.
And in the molecular stuff for some of those groups does not behave well anyway.
So delightful, delightful, mysterious group.
And there's a lot of rarity and interesting things to Jason's been involved in several uncommon.
Nomada things.

Jason Gibbs 1:04:43
Causing chaos mobile.

Droege, Sam 1:04:45
Yeah.
And then you go out West and it's like a different whole different ball game of undescribed species.
Anyway, that's what I got.
Thank you, Jason, allowable.

Jason Gibbs 1:05:03
You're welcome.
Hope it was helpful.

Droege, Sam 1:05:06
Yeah, it definitely is.
And people are we're, you know, we're talking to people and people use the the online recordings all the time.
So it's a good reference deck for people beginning as a lot of people can't necessarily attend live.

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Droege, Sam 1:05:21
Yeah, I'm behind on uploads and I swear I've gotten an email every day.
OK.
Yeah, right.
Thanks everyone.
By now.

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