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Maffei, Clare J
I go back to the conversation about Andrina taxonomy and.
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Maffei, Clare J
Everybody, we're here for Mega Kylie, wrap up.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh we are.
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Maffei, Clare J
Umm, if that's what we wanna be doing, you feel free. I have my e-mail open. If
you have pictures that you want to send me, I can screen share them. You also
are able to screen share them. I don't think I've set any settings that way.
So.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, this is kind of like open office hours.
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Maffei, Clare J
And though?
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. And so I guess just to wrap up the endrina, yeah, I'm in the middle of
starting to write up bees of Maryland and I'm, you know, kind of stuck with a
whole bunch of like, I'll just wait till the end to put in what?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
This subgenera.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
What's going to be the sub genre? Or maybe I I don't include the subgenre.
Maybe I just include the species and authors as a you know.
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Droege, Sam
I'm not sure what the adding the subgenera to the paper would would do at this
point.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
So I don't know how's how are the bees of Missouri going, Mike?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, we keep every year, we keep finding one or two new ones.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm. And Ken McCarty, who's who worked for state parks. He's a.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, kind of their natural community specialist and controls everything, but
he's just finished A5 year study of state parks in Missouri, all with net, all
collecting with Nets and all flowers. So you got a huge database and we're
working on that.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Working on a paper about all that, but you know things like.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh celiac's texana.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.
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Droege, Sam
Cool.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And the formula texana things that were not recorded from Missouri before he's
he's found these. And then I and a couple, you know, this is an undescribed
like they're opsis and an undescribed glades.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm, so yeah, it's things are moving along. It's fun.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. What's that collides on? What does it have a A a preference?
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. OK.
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Droege, Sam
Uh-huh.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Cool.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, I'm. It's on dalia. It's on Dalia, and it looks it would keep it would
key out to Roberts and I, but it it isn't. When you, the genitalia are
different and there's a bunch of details and we've got enough specimens for
around the state. That's that's for real. And that's distinct. And I've got a
couple specimens from Oklahoma as well.
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Droege, Sam
All right.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's a cool.
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Droege, Sam
Just one quick question, since it's a chatty day hyleas fedoryka, what do you
know about that one? We've I just ran into a we've I've run into two recently,
one in Delaware.
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Droege, Sam
Act now Cuba, just a big gardens and then another on the edge of a tidal
freshwater marsh in a vain trap which seems to be good for rare hylaeus
interestingly.
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Droege, Sam
Umm. And you know, like I don't have any records for DC or Maryland at all and
there's just not that many, but I see them every once in a while, but I can't
put a pattern together.
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Droege, Sam
You did.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there are a handful from Missouri and almost all of them are from what I
would call riparian corridors on Willow on Salix.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh on Willow. OK, well that would that would fit, I mean fit certainly this
one. But and then the one at mall Cuba, there's Willow around. So it may be.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Right.
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Droege, Sam
Right.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And they seem to be undervolting, you know, I mean those other modestus group,
those seem to have several generations a year. But Fedorka we only find in the
early part of the year and again it's just a only half a dozen specimens in
localities, but that's seems to be consistent.
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Droege, Sam
And also it was probably similar. I my guess would be if we when we get more
information.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
What?
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Droege, Sam
We have these other tree ones like sparseness. I think is a tree one and maybe
the floridana or georgica. I confused it too. I think it's floridanus
floridana.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
For data.
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Droege, Sam
I've heard Dennis. Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, we've sparseness is at least over this in the Midwest is always on Apache
species and not just yellow ones, but it's always always on.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, and these herbaceous things and and forests and.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Woodlands.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, for.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That once again, one generation year here.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. And she we're get picking up in these canopy traps now that people are
doing canopy traps now and it just seems like.
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Droege, Sam
Maybe it's the vein trap thing, but elevated and in wooded kinds of
environments so.
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Droege, Sam
Anyway, another always, always something interesting.
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Droege, Sam
All right, maybe we should open it up to people with any kind of questions.
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Droege, Sam
Or photographs. Or, you know, if you want us to talk more about particular
aspects of the guide. But I really, I think.
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Droege, Sam
Clear and I talked about this earlier that people can send in pictures.
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Droege, Sam
And then maybe before each week you know we the three of us can look at these
pictures. If there's a question and get as far as we can and have that you know
be a feature of the talks where we just do one sort of what is this?
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Droege, Sam
Kind of thing just to walk through what we're thinking about in terms of an
identification.
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Droege, Sam
But.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, sounds good.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. So let's.
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Maffei, Clare J
Elliot just sent some in.
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Maffei, Clare J
Umm, so I'm gonna. I'll do a screen share and I'll show you these three seconds
to download them. I'll sort of point to the chat. Caterina shared a link to
Lawrence Packers book coming out soon on be families and Sam, did you want to
say something about the York classes?
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Droege, Sam
Oh yeah. So we were talking about that before. A lot of people were here. But
there's a link in the chat now to Lawrence Packer, and I think also.
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Droege, Sam
Is it Amro Zayed? I can't recall his partner in DNA crime down there are
putting together taxonomic talks. Really good has a big widespread audience,
and they're bringing in taxonomies from around the world and they're covering
sort of big picture taxonomy issues. And we just spoke about all the kinds of
changes that are probably coming ahead for the mining bees. And Drina group at
the.
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Droege, Sam
At this subgenus level, so something to do while you're pinning these maybe is
is to listen in on these things.
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Droege, Sam
Saint Clair. Did you say? There's there's something we should be looking at. Or
you're you're getting.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, I'm. I just downloaded the pictures. I'm bringing them up.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
So OK, let's.
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Maffei, Clare J
Which one should we start with and I'll make it bigger.
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Droege, Sam
And we hear where and these are from.
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Maffei, Clare J
Where are they?
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Elliott G (Guest)
Yeah. Can you, can you hear me?
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah. Elliot, can you figure things? Yep.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Elliott G (Guest)
And so these are from Albuquerque, NM, uh, visiting helianthus. I can also send
pictures of the females that I think are the same species, which are generally
a little bit larger and and kind of triangular abdomens.
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Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah. Which one?
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
Look at the.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Good. Claire, can you enlarge? Uh, uh, the first one or the second one? That's
the top two. I mean, it looks at A at a glance, it looks like Polaris, but I
don't. I don't know if it is.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. Yeah. Look at that. Expanded the expanded last antennal segment there.
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Maffei, Clare J
This.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
For four days of tyrosine, yeah.
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Droege, Sam
And Mike, you're probably better at subgenera and kinds of things out that way.
But I'm I'm seeing expanded less antennal segment and big, Super wide front,
expanded Base Itarsi and things.
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Maffei, Clare J
That that's it.
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Droege, Sam
So that that matches Polaris you think?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, I mean, it could.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It would be nice to have a little more in focus at that front leg polar cares.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That was a, maybe even. Ohh, wait. Here we go. There's one that shows the back
end.
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Maffei, Clare J
Hang on the back end.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yes.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's not. It's not public areas. Yeah, the last very last photo with teeth
with.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that is.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, that looks like parallela.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
With that, that T6 being round rounded without a notch.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
So that's not to say.
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Droege, Sam
Right. And it may have maybe turned if we had another shot, you'd look to see
if it had a flattened area or turned up area at the very end. Ohh, can we see
that there?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Are the.
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Maffei, Clare J
And it looks.
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Maffei, Clare J
This kind of flattened.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Can you focus on the mid based Tarsis at all?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Just.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Maffei, Clare J
Here we go any further.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.
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Droege, Sam
It doesn't look expanded.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
No it doesn't.
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Droege, Sam
Wait, is that as the would parallelus have and expanded mid base Itarsi?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I can't remember off the top of my head.
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Droege, Sam
Right.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean there are.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
How big was the be actually?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Whoever was.
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Elliott G (Guest)
So uh.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Elliott G (Guest)
These are a little bit smaller than polypterus. The ones that I that I know for
sure, Polaris.
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Droege, Sam
End up parallelus would be.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
About Polariser a little bit bigger.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And behave in that size range.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, and but.
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Maffei, Clare J
Ohh wait, I want to.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. And in New Mexico, of course, you're getting additional things.
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Maffei, Clare J
You were asking for the mid base intercity. I was not at the mid base atterson.
We can't see that there.
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Droege, Sam
Oh, OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
I was. I had these mistaken and I was going to that one. So let's see if.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, yeah. Parallels occurs out there.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm but.
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Maffei, Clare J
All. We can't see the man.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And that should key out if that's what it is. It should key out pretty.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I I suppose it's just a photo. You didn't. Did you collect it?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Elliott G (Guest)
No, I I didn't collect any this year, but it is a is on my target for next
year.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah. What's going on at the very last tergal segment, the the, you know or
actually the sorry, the sternal segment would be illuminating.
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Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
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Droege, Sam
But I don't. We're not gonna be able to see any of that here, cause none of the
none of that's visible.
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Maffei, Clare J
So what's our final final take?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, you know, I I think I think those sodas are good enough if it is
parallel.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
That lateral view right there would would because look at that mid based Ataris
as very along long fringe.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
An unusually long fringe of hairs on the posterior margin.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
And yeah, I've got a bunch of parallelism sitting around here, I think.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, I can take a look and see if it if we're in the ballpark.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
But that's just tentative.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, always. The problem with photos.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Can be, yeah.
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Elliott G (Guest)
So you're so just for my for my notes, you're focusing on? Of course, the shape
of the final target. And then.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
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Elliott G (Guest)
The the shape of the basic Tarsis and the.
0:12:29.890 --> 0:12:30.230
Elliott G (Guest)
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
What the shape and also the extensive plumose city on the posterior margin,
that's pretty unusual. And then the front based Tarsis too. I just can't, I
don't look at parallel that not enough to have that locked into my head, but at
a glance that's where I start.
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Maffei, Clare J
Do we want to, like pull up?
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Maffei, Clare J
Umm, the Discover Life page and see if we have any.
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Maffei, Clare J
Thing there that jumps out.
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Droege, Sam
I can do that.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.
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Droege, Sam
And we can look at the distribution and stuff, but I, you know, Mike, I'm is
almost certainly right there.
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Maffei, Clare J
We might have pictures up there of.
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Maffei, Clare J
The characters that we, you know we've we wanted to be looking at.
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Droege, Sam
OK. I guess I'll share my screen here.
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Maffei, Clare J
And anybody else who wants to send him pictures.
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Droege, Sam
In or as questions or and it doesn't have to be too. You know, we're doing
freeform here because we're trying to figure out, you know, what people are
interested in doing and and learning. And so we can work on and answer
questions and pretty much anything.
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Droege, Sam
Well, having to do with bees, of course. Alright, so.
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Droege, Sam
I think can you see this now, Claire?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK.
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Maffei, Clare J
All good.
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Droege, Sam
All right, so there's Matale Parallela.
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Droege, Sam
Really, a western species in lot of ways. And so it's all over the New Mexico.
We can go to the species page here.
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Droege, Sam
And see.
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Droege, Sam
There's female.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, thanks so.
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Droege, Sam
There are there are described subgenera you can see here on the female why
basic Tarsis do we have males?
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Not seeing any.
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Droege, Sam
On the males here we have.
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Droege, Sam
You can always a lot of times. There's more pictures than you think and
discover life on that. You can look at the thumbnails and see if we can pick
up.
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Droege, Sam
Anything.
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Droege, Sam
Here.
0:14:41.780 --> 0:14:52.80
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, uh Parallela has those. The males have those pronounced teeth at the
end of the tergite at the last end and I didn't see that.
0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:53.570
Droege, Sam
Yeah, this.
0:14:55.260 --> 0:14:56.110
Mike Arduser (Guest)
We would have seen that.
0:14:59.110 --> 0:14:59.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So.
0:15:1.30 --> 0:15:1.450
Droege, Sam
True.
0:15:0.750 --> 0:15:4.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And I mean, we would have seen those in the photo on there. I didn't see him.
0:15:4.840 --> 0:15:5.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And plus.
0:15:4.730 --> 0:15:13.220
Droege, Sam
What about? What's the the mega Kylie? It's not a dendo being with a also has
southern.
0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:14.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alba tarsus.
0:15:14.710 --> 0:15:15.200
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:15:17.420 --> 0:15:29.170
Droege, Sam
And also what about that expanded antennal segment? Does that put it into, you
know like Fordis has that, but I don't, I'm unclear as to what other groups
have it.
0:15:30.820 --> 0:15:31.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
What?
0:15:32.470 --> 0:15:32.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Orders.
0:15:34.220 --> 0:15:38.850
Droege, Sam
We can look up a Fortis here too and get the subgenus and then.
0:15:41.10 --> 0:15:48.740
Droege, Sam
This is this is the kind of thing I do all the time. What where is that? And
how does it fit in? So there's the distribution of Fortis.
0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.970
Droege, Sam
Interestingly, it does go to the West and.
0:15:57.950 --> 0:15:58.260
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's.
0:15:54.330 --> 0:16:0.360
Droege, Sam
Here the subgenus would be phenos Taurus and I think if I click on this.
0:16:2.640 --> 0:16:3.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
OK, we.
0:16:1.480 --> 0:16:9.630
Droege, Sam
We would get another thing augustini, which I have known nothing about. Ohh but
ohh look at this.
0:16:14.500 --> 0:16:16.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, that that fits best.
0:16:16.150 --> 0:16:22.180
Droege, Sam
Right. But I don't know that we have anything in the well, let's see.
0:16:25.490 --> 0:16:29.40
Droege, Sam
Yeah. I don't even have any of the literature in here yet for that one.
0:16:31.590 --> 0:16:37.90
Droege, Sam
Interesting. Mitchell called it sub Fortis, so it's pretty darn gonna be pretty
darn close to Fortis.
0:16:38.870 --> 0:16:44.120
Droege, Sam
Let's go. Maybe go back to Fortis and look at what the if we can see a picture
of its tail end.
0:16:47.110 --> 0:16:48.740
Droege, Sam
Uh, if I. Oh, here's some mails.
0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:56.520
Droege, Sam
All right. Well, let's look at this one, so hind.
0:16:57.350 --> 0:17:1.820
Droege, Sam
A little bit difficult to see the middle, but it looks like it may have a.
0:17:3.380 --> 0:17:5.10
Droege, Sam
Time. Vex.
0:17:6.130 --> 0:17:6.820
Droege, Sam
And.
0:17:10.730 --> 0:17:11.90
Droege, Sam
It's.
0:17:11.990 --> 0:17:12.410
Droege, Sam
There we go.
0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.700
Droege, Sam
And here it is from the top. Feeling can't really see.
0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:24.820
Droege, Sam
It looks like this. I mean in this picture it's tan or, but this is maybe
actually the.
0:17:26.250 --> 0:17:26.690
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:17:28.110 --> 0:17:29.220
Droege, Sam
Type specimen.
0:17:30.70 --> 0:17:31.160
Droege, Sam
So it's going to be old.
0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:39.320
Droege, Sam
Where you can see that expanded little bit at the end, but again I'm not sure.
0:17:40.550 --> 0:17:45.150
Droege, Sam
Who else has expanded those expanded ends to the antennae? If you?
0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:48.110
Droege, Sam
Does it OK?
0:17:50.290 --> 0:17:50.580
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:52.390
Droege, Sam
But look.
0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:52.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean it, it shows up in a couple other groups. Yeah, but but not as a group
character. It's just some of the species have it to.
0:17:53.850 --> 0:17:58.280
Droege, Sam
Here is one of our pictures and so interestingly here is.
0:17:56.450 --> 0:17:59.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, look at that mid bit. Yeah, exactly, yeah.
0:17:59.90 --> 0:18:1.940
Droege, Sam
Yeah, here's this huge plumey thing.
0:18:2.600 --> 0:18:11.230
Droege, Sam
Rear end. Let's see if we can. We can click on that and that's a little too
much discover. Life is a little clunky. Ohh, that's it right there.
0:18:11.940 --> 0:18:12.660
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep, Yep.
0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:14.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That works.
0:18:13.220 --> 0:18:19.320
Droege, Sam
So could could be so I guess the question is, is it?
0:18:20.970 --> 0:18:25.40
Droege, Sam
Well, things to look at or this fordis and what was the?
0:18:25.690 --> 0:18:26.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Agostini.
0:18:26.730 --> 0:18:27.260
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:18:28.410 --> 0:18:34.440
Droege, Sam
And see if there's some stuff so you know, we could take a little jaunt over
to.
0:18:36.0 --> 0:18:37.290
Droege, Sam
This the web.
0:18:38.990 --> 0:18:42.280
Droege, Sam
What was it augustini? Something like that.
0:18:42.410 --> 0:18:42.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:18:43.660 --> 0:18:44.310
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Augustine.
0:18:46.410 --> 0:18:48.790
Droege, Sam
And and.
0:18:50.870 --> 0:18:51.960
Droege, Sam
Go to images.
0:18:54.430 --> 0:18:57.680
Droege, Sam
Now there's a picture, but that's the female.
0:18:59.870 --> 0:19:2.140
Droege, Sam
And is this the mail?
0:19:3.660 --> 0:19:4.330
Droege, Sam
It might be.
0:19:5.230 --> 0:19:5.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I can't tell.
0:19:11.580 --> 0:19:15.320
Droege, Sam
Doesn't seem to want to open. It's always a bold picture.
0:19:16.830 --> 0:19:18.680
Droege, Sam
So those are generally small.
0:19:19.990 --> 0:19:20.380
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:19:22.500 --> 0:19:34.950
Droege, Sam
But it's got. So that's theoretically this the species I can't seem to make
this picture get any bigger, but that rear end and some of these other
characters and the inflated.
0:19:35.690 --> 0:19:36.200
Droege, Sam
Tip.
0:19:38.910 --> 0:19:39.810
Droege, Sam
All right, I think.
0:19:40.530 --> 0:19:42.200
Droege, Sam
Eliot, you're going to have to get a specimen.
0:19:45.380 --> 0:19:45.890
Elliott G (Guest)
I.
0:19:46.30 --> 0:19:46.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That.
0:19:45.90 --> 0:19:47.140
Maffei, Clare J
Seems like a pretty reasonable got to.
0:19:47.130 --> 0:19:48.180
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That looks good though.
0:19:55.860 --> 0:19:56.260
Maffei, Clare J
Ah.
0:19:49.70 --> 0:19:56.580
Elliott G (Guest)
I will. I it's on the list now and I did send Claire to female photos on.
0:19:57.130 --> 0:19:57.760
Maffei, Clare J
I see them.
0:19:58.320 --> 0:19:58.810
Droege, Sam
Oh.
0:19:57.300 --> 0:20:5.610
Elliott G (Guest)
So though I don't know that they'll actually show anything, because a lot of
the the females are much faster than they fly around, you know.
0:20:5.710 --> 0:20:6.190
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:20:7.770 --> 0:20:8.170
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:20:10.230 --> 0:20:13.890
Droege, Sam
And I don't know. Mike, do you know is Fortis a sunflower?
0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:16.190
Droege, Sam
OK, alright.
0:20:14.0 --> 0:20:17.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes it is. Yes, very much totally.
0:20:18.300 --> 0:20:21.0
Droege, Sam
So it would make sense here in terms of picture.
0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:24.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But but but for Fortis, you know is all the ones that I have seen.
0:20:25.700 --> 0:20:26.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Even old ones.
0:20:28.20 --> 0:20:30.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I have a orangish yellowish.
0:20:31.260 --> 0:20:32.420
Droege, Sam
Test. Mm-hmm.
0:20:30.830 --> 0:20:34.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pubescence. Yeah. Yeah. And that the photo.
0:20:38.50 --> 0:20:38.680
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:20:36.0 --> 0:20:39.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Look to me pretty much pure wife or pay pay also.
0:20:40.40 --> 0:20:45.250
Droege, Sam
But the the photos, poor as they were, that we had looked.
0:20:49.610 --> 0:20:50.60
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
0:20:46.770 --> 0:20:52.30
Droege, Sam
More like of Augustini looked more like this so.
0:20:52.220 --> 0:20:52.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I agree.
0:20:53.180 --> 0:20:54.730
Droege, Sam
Leaning in that direction.
0:20:58.310 --> 0:21:0.210
Droege, Sam
Can you blow up one of those clear?
0:21:0.980 --> 0:21:2.90
Maffei, Clare J
Any preference which one?
0:21:3.160 --> 0:21:3.990
Droege, Sam
I don't think so.
0:21:10.930 --> 0:21:11.300
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:21:15.70 --> 0:21:17.600
Droege, Sam
Do you have access to a collection down there, Elliot?
0:21:31.290 --> 0:21:32.430
Droege, Sam
Ohh karens.
0:21:20.310 --> 0:21:33.780
Elliott G (Guest)
Sort of. I've been helping at the UNM when most of their collection is an
ongoing monitoring study at Sevilleta National Wildlife Refuge with, yeah, with
Karen, right?
0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:33.920
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:21:35.110 --> 0:21:35.700
Elliott G (Guest)
Uh.
0:21:35.420 --> 0:21:35.810
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:21:36.630 --> 0:21:36.940
Droege, Sam
And.
0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.430
Elliott G (Guest)
And so things are in various states of processing and and identification.
0:21:40.970 --> 0:21:54.610
Droege, Sam
OK. I guess you could go over to Flagstaff, but it's probably quite a trek and
see or just ask them if they have any of those specimens. And then if you're
over in that area, check them out.
0:21:59.250 --> 0:22:0.520
Droege, Sam
I guess it's Northern Arizona.
0:22:1.400 --> 0:22:2.230
Droege, Sam
With Neil.
0:22:4.170 --> 0:22:8.130
Elliott G (Guest)
Yeah, well, we don't consider that too far. It's just four hours on the
Interstate.
0:22:8.850 --> 0:22:9.290
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:22:10.770 --> 0:22:11.920
Maffei, Clare J
Just four hours.
0:22:11.970 --> 0:22:13.360
Droege, Sam
Yeah. What is it? Nothing.
0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.10
Maffei, Clare J
So these pictures are also Elliott.
0:22:20.130 --> 0:22:21.490
Maffei, Clare J
Any new information about them?
0:22:22.940 --> 0:22:23.570
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:22:25.860 --> 0:22:26.790
Droege, Sam
Not for me.
0:22:26.940 --> 0:22:27.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I I don't.
0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:34.810
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So this you know.
0:22:35.490 --> 0:22:57.780
Droege, Sam
I think it's same for Mike. You know, sort of our our final destination in any
identification string is comparison with known specimens or specimens. We have
high confidence in and strings of specimens or better than singletons for lots
of different reasons that one specimen may or may not show our present. Well,
the characters you're looking for.
0:23:1.340 --> 0:23:5.10
Droege, Sam
So collections were thumbs up on those.
0:23:6.960 --> 0:23:8.800
Elliott G (Guest)
Alright. Well, thanks for talking through that.
0:23:9.470 --> 0:23:9.780
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:23:10.470 --> 0:23:11.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Thanks for the photo.
0:23:11.970 --> 0:23:14.360
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah, interesting. I learned things.
0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:18.690
Maffei, Clare J
Eric, unmute your question.
0:23:26.50 --> 0:23:26.460
Droege, Sam
So I'm.
0:23:27.790 --> 0:23:28.830
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Hey, guys. Can you hear me?
0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:30.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes.
0:23:30.910 --> 0:23:32.900
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Great. So.
0:23:34.90 --> 0:23:45.270
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Latin Manus and Fordis has been a bit of an issue for us. We're not confident
which one we have. Is there something easy to look at between those two species
here in South Dakota?
0:23:46.590 --> 0:23:48.310
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Separate, especially the females.
0:23:49.10 --> 0:23:49.430
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:23:49.750 --> 0:23:50.980
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
I don't catch a lot of mails.
0:23:56.500 --> 0:23:56.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.
0:24:6.100 --> 0:24:6.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No.
0:23:54.490 --> 0:24:8.210
Droege, Sam
Might take I I know when I see Latin Manus, which is in the east, it's got the
that huge sinus on the the mandible. But is that Fortis have that too? I don't
I don't, I rarely see them, yeah.
0:24:8.420 --> 0:24:13.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
No, the the mandibles should separate the if you can see them should separate
those two.
0:24:14.90 --> 0:24:17.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm. And also T.
0:24:18.170 --> 0:24:21.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Six of the females in profile.
0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:33.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Latin Manus is kind of it's not straight. It kind of dips in Fortis. It's
because we just saw it. It's in lateral view.
0:24:34.290 --> 0:24:35.180
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's straight.
0:24:35.950 --> 0:24:36.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If that makes any sense.
0:24:38.630 --> 0:24:39.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But let.
0:24:54.970 --> 0:24:55.340
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I.
0:24:55.540 --> 0:25:2.970
Droege, Sam
More than a lot, but I think let amanus is like maybe not even really having
hair bands, but just covered with hair.
0:25:2.420 --> 0:25:12.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Lots of there. Yeah, I think I think you're right on that exam, but there's a
complicating factor in South Dakota. You should also have para Herta.
0:25:13.900 --> 0:25:14.230
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:25:13.510 --> 0:25:19.630
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Which looks just like Latin manus and the females I I I don't feel comfortable
separating them.
0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:26.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm so both depending if you're in central, South Dakota or West of there,
you're going to have heard of for sure.
0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:28.110
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:25:28.730 --> 0:25:29.810
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so.
0:25:31.60 --> 0:25:36.330
Droege, Sam
Eric, are you working mostly with the females or you have both males and
females at these things?
0:25:44.730 --> 0:25:45.40
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:25:47.230 --> 0:25:47.830
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, yeah.
0:25:40.660 --> 0:25:55.530
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Actually, I sent you some samples of them to get some verification. We went
from 4 to back to Latin Manis. We started. We thought they were Fortis and we
we switched over to a lot of Manus after looking at mails that we had captured.
0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:6.210
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Yeah, I have quite a few females, like I said, but very few males to to work
with and I have no reference collection, so I'm kind of.
0:26:6.610 --> 0:26:6.970
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:26:6.490 --> 0:26:7.70
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.
0:26:8.70 --> 0:26:8.740
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Guessing.
0:26:8.30 --> 0:26:17.480
Droege, Sam
You're also, if I recall, you're in South eastern, South Dakota, which would be
much more Latin Manus territory.
0:26:17.510 --> 0:26:17.780
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:26:18.260 --> 0:26:25.310
Droege, Sam
And Fortis is sort of a high dollar, more pretty, you know Western Prairie.
0:26:26.110 --> 0:26:30.860
Droege, Sam
Which, you know, good big natural area kind of thing and a lot of man is coming
occur kind of anywhere.
0:26:31.860 --> 0:26:32.290
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
OK.
0:26:32.230 --> 0:26:38.640
Droege, Sam
So just overall, and did we, did we look at your space, sorry to say this, did
we look at your specimens yet or not?
0:26:38.510 --> 0:26:39.970
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
You're working on them.
0:26:40.270 --> 0:26:40.790
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:26:42.420 --> 0:26:43.610
Droege, Sam
Ohh tires. Got him OK.
0:26:53.910 --> 0:26:54.210
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:56.180
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
0:26:40.300 --> 0:26:56.690
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, I've gone through the the melissodes and all of that that you checked
that was that. But Eric, we had a lot of fun looking at the nomiya you sent
yesterday. I don't think. Sam, you were around for that, but all the interns
got really excited about seeing the nomia.
0:26:58.130 --> 0:26:58.400
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
0:26:58.300 --> 0:26:58.700
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Cool.
0:26:57.10 --> 0:27:2.740
Droege, Sam
Yeah, cool. Which was it? What? Universitatis, or which one was it? Yeah.
0:27:1.670 --> 0:27:3.40
Maffei, Clare J
Umm yeah.
0:27:2.390 --> 0:27:3.360
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh yeah yeah.
0:27:4.110 --> 0:27:4.690
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:27:4.190 --> 0:27:4.950
Maffei, Clare J
It was really pretty.
0:27:5.690 --> 0:27:6.500
Droege, Sam
Very blingy.
0:27:7.730 --> 0:27:11.210
Droege, Sam
Is that is that the only one in the area?
0:27:11.980 --> 0:27:14.500
Droege, Sam
Up there in the northern part of the Prairie, Mike.
0:27:16.110 --> 0:27:17.570
Droege, Sam
Is Manny. I get up there?
0:27:19.140 --> 0:27:19.520
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:27:23.130 --> 0:27:23.530
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:27:17.820 --> 0:27:25.890
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I don't think so. Uh. Don't know. Yeah. And we have universities here in
Missouri, too, in the western part. It's a legume, pretty much a legume.
0:27:27.220 --> 0:27:33.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But we also have nevadensis which has multiple subspecies and I think it.
0:27:33.850 --> 0:27:34.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Might be up there.
0:27:35.650 --> 0:27:37.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And it's a. It's a sad thing.
0:27:41.790 --> 0:27:42.120
Droege, Sam
Great.
0:27:39.900 --> 0:27:42.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Water university. This is necessary.
0:27:43.500 --> 0:27:48.770
Droege, Sam
And Eric, are you working in sandy environments at all? You don't know or?
0:27:48.110 --> 0:27:52.360
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Not really. Mostly crop some trees.
0:27:52.870 --> 0:27:53.350
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:27:53.500 --> 0:27:54.230
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Prairie.
0:27:54.940 --> 0:27:55.300
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:27:55.730 --> 0:28:0.180
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Yeah. So a lot of what we sent you as far as bees, it's.
0:28:14.710 --> 0:28:15.50
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:28:15.750 --> 0:28:16.60
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:28:1.470 --> 0:28:27.110
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Onesie, twosies. We only caught one of a particular B, so I'm hoping that a lot
of the bees that we sent you are actually newbies to our our area and maybe we
can get discover life showing a little bit of what we have up here too. So but
like I said, without a reference, I'm even with this, you know, let Humanis and
fordis, it's really hard to tell the difference that you know size and and
hairs and all that kind of stuff.
0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:33.210
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Well, they have one or, you know very few males are caught. It's it's really
hard to work with so.
0:28:33.620 --> 0:28:35.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
For Fortis in normal.
0:28:42.90 --> 0:28:42.520
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
OK.
0:28:36.970 --> 0:28:50.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Cases for this should be much larger than later menus. In B terms, you know, I
mean if you put them side by side, the average later manis and the average
Fortis would be very different in size.
0:28:52.980 --> 0:28:53.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Shoot.
0:28:50.430 --> 0:28:54.280
Droege, Sam
So for this must be one of the largest, maybe the largest mega Kylie.
0:28:54.350 --> 0:28:57.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, I don't know the bigger one in the US.
0:28:59.40 --> 0:29:0.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
This is pretty bad, yeah.
0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:2.430
Droege, Sam
OK. Yeah, cause Latin manus is in the east, might be the biggest one in the
east.
0:29:7.470 --> 0:29:8.350
Maffei, Clare J
That's what we're here for.
0:29:26.830 --> 0:29:27.180
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I mean.
0:29:29.130 --> 0:29:29.530
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:29:3.820 --> 0:29:31.300
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
I don't want to take up all your time here, but as far as you know, size when
you brought that up, does environmental factors from one year to the next, does
that change size of, let's say Fortis it's it's very large one year and then
it's it's hurting for a resources. So maybe the offspring are little small the
next year, does it change anything like that that it could make it more
difficult to identify some of these based off of size?
0:29:38.130 --> 0:29:38.410
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:29:48.610 --> 0:29:48.920
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:29:32.350 --> 0:29:52.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, I don't. I've got quite a few for artists from around the Midwest,
and they're all big for different years and different sites. So I mean, not
they're not exactly the same. But I mean, they're generally 20 yards away. You
know, that's what it is because it's just, it's on a sunflower and it's just
this huge mega Kylie.
0:29:54.300 --> 0:30:12.180
Droege, Sam
In terms of size differences, you know, bumblebees do that a lot, and then every
once in a while, male serotina maybe just male cow karatas you just get this
really teeny male calcarata that.
0:30:12.870 --> 0:30:36.900
Droege, Sam
You know, it's just, you know, runty. And then I almost never see any. I I
would rarely see. I think a lot of variation in size and most of the other
species that maybe, you know, like collectus, like legatus. So some of the the
1st F1 I'll call it female can be pretty hulking.
0:30:38.80 --> 0:30:40.240
Droege, Sam
But yeah, most things.
0:30:40.950 --> 0:30:44.390
Droege, Sam
I don't know what other things vary in terms of their sizes.
0:30:44.470 --> 0:31:0.140
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, maybe Kylie brevis. I mean does vary a lot in size relatively, and
they're big ones and ones that are almost. You know, that quite half the size,
but I've just noticed that thing really varies a lot in size compared to a lot
of other mega Kylie.
0:31:5.430 --> 0:31:6.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Right, right, right.
0:31:2.780 --> 0:31:8.180
Droege, Sam
Well, yeah. And with their coloration too. So who knows what's going on in
there?
0:31:9.640 --> 0:31:9.990
Droege, Sam
Hmm.
0:31:9.500 --> 0:31:11.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But the other thing Eric, you know Fortis.
0:31:12.430 --> 0:31:15.100
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know in general is not a white.
0:31:16.530 --> 0:31:18.520
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Pale haired species. It's got this.
0:31:19.220 --> 0:31:20.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yellowish oranges.
0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:25.790
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Yeah.
0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:28.820
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Gas to the air is it should be pretty obvious that yes, but then it's different
different from Latinas.
0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:33.880
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:36.220
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
I I gotta dig a little bit, but I know I took photos of the abdomen and stuff
of of what I was calling let Humanis.
0:31:39.100 --> 0:31:39.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh.
0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:40.640
Droege, Sam
Hmm.
0:31:40.260 --> 0:31:40.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.
0:31:36.820 --> 0:31:40.990
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
And it's very orange. The hairs on its abdomen are very orange, so.
0:31:42.80 --> 0:31:46.550
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
That's why I'm really confused. So that's why I sent him off to you guys to
help me out.
0:31:59.250 --> 0:31:59.470
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:31:46.190 --> 0:31:59.970
Droege, Sam
OK, well, I look forward to seeing it after Claire's. Looking at it and we'll
because I don't think Ford is right. I could be wrong. I'm not sure if Fortis
is in discover life guides at this point. It's just it's one of those.
0:32:1.0 --> 0:32:9.680
Droege, Sam
Western towards eastern, so I'll have to take a look too. But you know we're
constantly adding and bumping up guides and things so.
0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.470
Droege, Sam
Uh, we can add it to the list if it's not in there.
0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:14.690
Beckendorf, Eric - ARS
Awesome. Thanks guys. Thank you.
0:32:15.490 --> 0:32:16.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Alex.
0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:35.230
Droege, Sam
Yeah, we're always interested. And right now we're working with David Bittiger
and Margarita from Penn State and Rob Gene to some extent, already on going
through stateless and matching it against the Discover life.
0:32:36.570 --> 0:33:5.800
Droege, Sam
Species. So I think most of you know that we overscore we would call it the
species within a state. So the idea is to look at a JSON States and say you
know blah blah blah could show up here. So we're gonna score it for possibly
being present in the state. But every once in a while, particularly with like
what Mike was talking about early on, you get these big jumps and distributions
like who even suspected that?
0:33:6.420 --> 0:33:35.910
Droege, Sam
X would be there. So a good example is Gene Scarpulla, who can get a linked if
I think he's on this most of the time. Gene, you can put a link in the chat. He
did a just published a paper on Lazy glosson semi serum and we have 3 specimens
from very different time periods and in the Chesapeake Bay area and the nearest
record was is Wisconsin. So and there's.
0:33:36.410 --> 0:33:47.920
Droege, Sam
There's numerous examples where there's specimens that are in the Eastern Shore
of Maryland, maybe only because we're looking a lot, but some of them are old.
0:33:49.20 --> 0:33:56.840
Droege, Sam
That the the nearest record is way out in the Midwest, some kind of residual
grasslands.
0:33:58.10 --> 0:33:58.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, there's a pervert.
0:33:57.20 --> 0:33:59.740
Droege, Sam
Uh. From the dry period.
0:34:0.160 --> 0:34:5.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Perdida one or two perdidas. I think you guys have out there that converse
surprising.
0:34:6.710 --> 0:34:12.520
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Like, well, yeah, there's quite you can go through actually quite a list
like of printed a swanky.
0:34:13.740 --> 0:34:32.770
Droege, Sam
Big hiatus. And then they there's a population not in Maryland, but in Long
Island. Like you go to the end of Long Island within sight of New York City and
there is unbelievable in terms of the numbers that fall into the bull traps on
numbers there and a few other places. Some of the Cali opsis.
0:34:34.210 --> 0:34:43.170
Droege, Sam
Uh, we've gotten some of the Midwestern Holt besides. Yeah, I can cite a
numerous examples of multiple state jumps.
0:34:44.340 --> 0:34:52.130
Droege, Sam
So what's going on? Hard to say, just really a lot of it might just simply be
not enough boots on the ground.
0:34:53.90 --> 0:35:6.620
Droege, Sam
And there could be populations in between, but who looks in Kentucky and Tennessee,
for example, for a lot of these kinds of things where the stuff that's in
Missouri should be showing up in some of their glades and whatnot, I would
think.
0:35:8.430 --> 0:35:18.150
Droege, Sam
The stuff in southern Illinois that you've been involved in, Mike, has really
been kind of illuminating like ohh you know, we thought Illinois was really
well known, but.
0:35:20.470 --> 0:35:20.940
Maffei, Clare J
So.
0:35:20.370 --> 0:35:21.460
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, it's been surprising.
0:35:26.580 --> 0:35:26.840
Droege, Sam
No.
0:35:22.740 --> 0:35:30.830
Maffei, Clare J
I was. I was gonna interact. Jeans not on. So I'm gonna look for the paper.
What was the leasing? Awesome. What?
0:35:31.490 --> 0:35:31.920
Maffei, Clare J
Was this?
0:35:32.890 --> 0:35:33.260
Maffei, Clare J
OK.
0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:38.800
Maffei, Clare J
I know.
0:35:31.180 --> 0:35:38.910
Droege, Sam
A semi cerium and he just sent me a PDF of it. I can't believe she's not on but
he.
0:35:39.670 --> 0:35:43.100
Droege, Sam
Umm, he's just COVID holed up so.
0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:43.350
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
0:35:43.750 --> 0:35:49.590
Droege, Sam
But it just got published in Maryland entomology. No, it was insect mundi.
0:35:51.110 --> 0:35:51.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yep.
0:35:50.350 --> 0:35:59.160
Droege, Sam
Umm. And about that really nicely, nicely done. Paper and talks about it and
you know other records and things like that too.
0:36:0.450 --> 0:36:10.630
Maffei, Clare J
I'm gonna try to find the link for you all, but David, you can unmute and ask
about the endrina stuff. Sam, if you wanna click the links in the chat, I think
that's what.
0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:13.640
Maffei, Clare J
What we got going on?
0:36:14.510 --> 0:36:16.810
Droege, Sam
This one interesting. Ohh OK, I see.
0:36:17.890 --> 0:36:18.570
Maffei, Clare J
It's our friend.
0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:19.460
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.50
DC (Guest)
Yes, hi, can you hear me?
0:36:20.790 --> 0:36:21.870
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah.
0:36:24.650 --> 0:36:25.160
Droege, Sam
Oh, here we go.
0:36:22.50 --> 0:36:41.170
DC (Guest)
Cool. Yeah. So both of these from discover life. OK, the the first andrina one
there it it seems to be super helpful to know about the humor angle, humoral
angle, and the pronotal Ridge. And I look at this from every angle after I rip
all that little hairs off so I can see it.
0:36:51.130 --> 0:36:51.510
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:36:41.980 --> 0:36:52.310
DC (Guest)
And it's still not crystal clear to me. So what are we looking at it be the in the
adrenal link, it's the first image and the fifth image different views.
0:37:22.390 --> 0:37:22.750
DC (Guest)
Hmm.
0:36:53.880 --> 0:37:24.10
Droege, Sam
All right. So I'll do some orientation here and we may need another view which
you may have here. So head, thorax, pronotal, pronotum, I guess, and this would
be the caller area and it looks very narrow when the head the head is recessing
onto this area, it's a little bit pulled out as it would be my perspective on
this right now. And so at recesses and is.
0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:29.900
Droege, Sam
Is sick, sat in there and this is the pronotal lobe.
0:37:31.340 --> 0:37:36.550
Droege, Sam
And this would be the area that the humoral angle would live in.
0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:38.760
Droege, Sam
And so.
0:37:40.730 --> 0:37:44.520
Droege, Sam
I don't it. I can't tell if this is the.
0:37:46.310 --> 0:37:59.570
Droege, Sam
Uh, the just the, I guess I'm. I'm flailing on the terminology. Is this the the
flange that often occurs there? I guess that's that's the humoral angle.
0:38:0.260 --> 0:38:1.670
Droege, Sam
Alright, Mike, you take over.
0:38:6.710 --> 0:38:7.260
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:38:1.530 --> 0:38:9.50
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. You're. Yeah, you're right. You're you. You were pointing to where it
should be. If it were there, the humoral angle, and.
0:38:9.850 --> 0:38:19.90
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, it's, you know what it's going to be difficult from from photos, but I
mean, I don't see it. I mean, there's but that could be the angle. It could be
the angle of the photo.
0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:23.770
Droege, Sam
No.
0:38:26.980 --> 0:38:27.530
Droege, Sam
So.
0:38:21.350 --> 0:38:27.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, now I think I do. So I just can't be. I don't know. I can't. I can't be
sure, but that's where it would be.
0:38:28.310 --> 0:38:37.820
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So there's a couple of a couple things. So Mike, this is a good
conversation because so for example, if we're talking algo chlorosis or Diane
Phyllium.
0:38:38.900 --> 0:38:48.250
Droege, Sam
There's this mighty flange that comes up that I think is is is also called the
humoral angle.
0:38:49.490 --> 0:38:52.340
Droege, Sam
Umm for what is that called?
0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:57.180
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:39:0.510 --> 0:39:0.960
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:38:51.430 --> 0:39:2.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's sometimes it's. I think it's difficult different terms and different
works, but it also continues on to the pronotal lobe. So it's also pronotal
lamella.
0:39:2.950 --> 0:39:3.520
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:39:3.540 --> 0:39:12.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
In Excel, in an extreme case, it's on the on the edge of the lobe, and then
beyond more internally.
0:39:13.590 --> 0:39:13.810
Droege, Sam
Me.
0:39:16.350 --> 0:39:17.290
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So.
0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:18.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But that's where it would be got you. And that's the extreme case.
0:39:18.630 --> 0:39:35.80
Droege, Sam
So yeah, and this is a good one. It took me a number of years to get
comfortable and looking at these because so a lot of times they'll be a angle
or a raised line, sharp or not sharp in this area here sometimes.
0:39:37.70 --> 0:39:43.970
Droege, Sam
Fencing off down at an angle like this, and it can be all sorts of sizes and
shapes. So.
0:39:45.610 --> 0:39:56.90
Droege, Sam
The like. So let's take Andrina cressoni, which just has a very subtle line,
which I love because it's like.
0:39:56.730 --> 0:40:27.420
Droege, Sam
The Cressoni is kind of generic looking of a heavily pitted abdomen, and it
could be several things, but that line always separates them out and but it's,
you know, one of these things that is really difficult to accurately describe,
but it's just this little raised line and other times it's huge and sharp like
in the males in particular. So males usually have a much we were talking about
andrina cressoni female.
0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:35.870
Droege, Sam
In the the in terminology wise, these pronotal angles or.
0:40:46.710 --> 0:40:47.480
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Yep.
0:40:37.950 --> 0:40:50.800
Droege, Sam
Humeral angles that occur in this area are often much more accentuated, I would
say in the mails, and they're rounded over for whatever reason and the females.
0:40:52.300 --> 0:40:55.250
Droege, Sam
Maybe we should we go to your other one, David?
0:40:56.170 --> 0:40:56.480
Droege, Sam
And it.
0:41:5.730 --> 0:41:5.950
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:40:55.860 --> 0:41:9.950
DC (Guest)
Yeah, it's it's probably pretty similar. I I can say right away that what
you're telling me now is super helpful when I hear you saying things like it
took me several years and when you say it can be very subtle, it's like very
empowering to me.
0:41:37.990 --> 0:41:38.600
DC (Guest)
Yes.
0:41:9.740 --> 0:41:40.490
Droege, Sam
Well, it it can be subtle and other times it's it can be really, really obvious
too. And so we have an in between category because sometimes like let's say
andrina Banksy, it's not a sharp angle, but it's not a simple smooth. I call
them horse collars in those areas. And the other problem is like, here's the
head. Here's the thorax. Well, where you wanna look is right in there. So a lot
of the time.
0:41:40.570 --> 0:41:58.540
Droege, Sam
You only your peering down the microscope in this direction into there or want
the head if you're lucky, is cocked one way or the other, and you have to look
into there and or you have to snap the head off with a few people are gonna do.
0:42:9.180 --> 0:42:9.490
DC (Guest)
Hmm.
0:42:0.290 --> 0:42:16.820
Droege, Sam
To see something that you're not sure of with a lot of hairs around, but it's a
great it's a great character. I mean, I'm always looking at the pro nodal
collar area to see if there's any ridges or humeral angles or whatever.
0:42:17.460 --> 0:42:50.210
Droege, Sam
The terminology probably could use your work, David, in terms of coming up with
a whole series of shots that illuminate nothing, like the melon. So a good one.
We were talking about before in the eastern would be in mail andrina you have
most of the females have nothing. It's just this, you know, big smooth horse
collar and then perplexed A has I even I think of them as little ears. They're
so pronounced out here.
0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:50.430
DC (Guest)
Umm.
0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:53.940
Droege, Sam
Projecting away, but do you have?
0:42:54.870 --> 0:42:58.320
Droege, Sam
Uh, so here's the other one. Is this the same species?
0:43:0.580 --> 0:43:0.910
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:3.890
DC (Guest)
I'm not sure it looks a little bit different, but it's got the very same architecture.
0:43:3.970 --> 0:43:4.370
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:43:5.180 --> 0:43:6.850
Droege, Sam
Mike, you wanna add anything here?
0:43:13.310 --> 0:43:13.710
DC (Guest)
Mm-hmm.
0:43:7.20 --> 0:43:16.960
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah. Now looking at from this viewpoint, you know, you see the pronotal lobe
and then from the base of the upper base of the lobe.
0:43:17.700 --> 0:43:33.380
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You see the smooth, relatively smooth transition of the collar towards the back
of the head, and that there were a pronotal humoral angle there. It wouldn't be
so nice, and even there would be a.
0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:35.10
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh.
0:43:36.720 --> 0:43:40.350
Droege, Sam
In this area there would be something.
0:43:42.510 --> 0:43:42.850
DC (Guest)
OK.
0:43:40.130 --> 0:43:46.700
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yes, yeah, yeah, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be even and smooth. There would be
a disruption in the.
0:43:47.310 --> 0:43:50.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, the that? The brickler Sam's.
0:43:54.80 --> 0:43:54.440
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:44:0.650 --> 0:44:1.250
DC (Guest)
Great.
0:43:51.720 --> 0:44:1.330
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The cursor is and it would, yeah, be. It might be very subtle, but it might be
very dramatic. And sometimes it's a strong right angle. I mean, you can't miss
it, but it's not.
0:44:7.390 --> 0:44:7.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:44:0.510 --> 0:44:26.200
Droege, Sam
Yeah. So you go like so, so this collar would go out and then sharply down, and
there might even be a raised Corina or line. The angle is so sharp and other
times it's just faint at a. Like, you took a piece of sheet Mendel metal and
bent it strongly. It's not priest yet, but it's still not a smooth curve.
0:44:28.850 --> 0:44:29.440
DC (Guest)
OK.
0:44:27.670 --> 0:44:44.330
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Boy, we could use the whole series of these to illuminate cause I I told
you it it took me a long time and many specimens and I had the national
collection to look at, to be like ohh and reverse engineering the discover life
guides is a useful way.
0:45:2.610 --> 0:45:3.280
DC (Guest)
Mm-hmm.
0:44:45.230 --> 0:45:5.800
Droege, Sam
To explore something like that. So what you want is a good solid specimen that
you know has a has this feature and you would use. Well, we can do it. So
because I'm still shared here, let's go to might as well go to andrina. So
we'll go to the guides.
0:45:7.660 --> 0:45:8.850
Droege, Sam
And.
0:45:9.910 --> 0:45:12.540
Droege, Sam
And just going to hit the bumblebee.
0:45:13.730 --> 0:45:20.40
Droege, Sam
And we can jump down to the B identification ones. Here's andrina females.
0:45:21.10 --> 0:45:32.930
Droege, Sam
And we can go to and you can do this. This is something that I think a lot of
you already know. You can go right to the menu on any guide and hit has and
then let's find that.
0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:42.300
Droege, Sam
Uh yeah, so ohh similar in both intensity. OK, so this is.
0:45:41.700 --> 0:45:43.200
DC (Guest)
There you go. That's good.
0:45:43.100 --> 0:45:43.560
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:45:45.550 --> 0:45:46.240
Droege, Sam
Let's see what did.
0:45:45.660 --> 0:45:47.720
DC (Guest)
Ohh that OK, that's for specific.
0:45:49.390 --> 0:45:50.170
DC (Guest)
'cause yeah.
0:45:48.300 --> 0:45:51.790
Droege, Sam
OK, that's for a specific. It's talking about one we want the.
0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:59.250
Droege, Sam
Yeah, you can see how it comes up a lot in these species. Ones. I wonder if I
call it.
0:46:0.860 --> 0:46:1.370
Droege, Sam
Uh.
0:46:6.560 --> 0:46:6.950
DC (Guest)
Cool.
0:46:4.470 --> 0:46:32.400
Droege, Sam
There we go. OK, so here. This is the pro nodal. You have three choices
basically where equivocating here like, well, it's not sharp and it's not
smooth and a lot of things are well, we can look. So we can say who has been
scored for that and we can see that 288 had been scored for something week. How
many have been scored for absent.
0:46:33.950 --> 0:46:35.260
Droege, Sam
236.
0:47:3.400 --> 0:47:3.690
DC (Guest)
Yeah.
0:46:36.70 --> 0:47:6.560
Droege, Sam
I think there was 500 originally and then who has been scored for squared off
only 114. So when you have a squared off one that's good. But now we can switch
from has to only. So this would give us if they're gonna retain that check.
This would give us a list of species that are not scored for more than one
category. In other words, they would be the best candidates. See there's only
36 that are scored there.
0:47:6.680 --> 0:47:13.870
Droege, Sam
So this is the list to find a specimen of cause it should have a really good
example.
0:47:14.810 --> 0:47:16.480
Droege, Sam
Of the corners.
0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:18.280
DC (Guest)
Right.
0:47:19.180 --> 0:47:19.880
Droege, Sam
Are you getting?
0:47:20.700 --> 0:47:20.990
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:47:23.370 --> 0:47:23.870
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:28.190
DC (Guest)
And I don't think I I don't have any one of these to look at or even a photo.
So I haven't ever seen perhaps that very distinct.
0:47:28.10 --> 0:47:28.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Hmm.
0:47:29.330 --> 0:47:29.720
DC (Guest)
Treat.
0:47:29.770 --> 0:47:31.40
Droege, Sam
Yeah. OK.
0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:35.720
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:47:30.670 --> 0:47:40.680
DC (Guest)
But I can say I'm I'm pretty motivated Sam to start, even popping heads off and
getting really clear images of this stuff from every angle cause it it it is
difficult.
0:47:53.180 --> 0:47:54.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh, totally.
0:47:41.850 --> 0:47:55.320
Droege, Sam
It isn't difficult and it really, and that would be a great for everybody
because it's a great, they're great characters. And Mike, how you know when
you're looking at it andrina, you're.
0:47:54.690 --> 0:47:56.40
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's the first thing I look for.
0:47:56.630 --> 0:47:58.20
DC (Guest)
Wow. Yeah. OK.
0:48:17.500 --> 0:48:18.120
DC (Guest)
Right and.
0:47:56.350 --> 0:48:19.210
Droege, Sam
Yeah, yeah. And and and then then the presentation is often tricky. So it takes
a while because you often don't get access to the pro node or collar area
really well because the head is, you know, back or tilted up or its hairy and
all of the above. But usually you can see it.
0:48:32.220 --> 0:48:32.560
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:48:39.170 --> 0:48:39.410
Mike Arduser (Guest)
To.
0:48:20.370 --> 0:48:50.600
DC (Guest)
Yeah. And Sam, I'm just gonna offer this, this one sort of general notion that
when when we mount specimens, I'm starting to appreciate what you have to pay
attention to when you mount it. So if you can expose the pronotal, you know,
angle here, that's probably really helpful for this group. And if you're
looking at propanediol services for lasioglossum, you kind of want to push
their abdomens down. And if it's mega Kylie, you wanna see the mandibles? Like,
it's really helpful in advance of.
0:48:52.730 --> 0:48:52.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The.
0:48:50.670 --> 0:48:53.740
DC (Guest)
Trying to diagnose them, if you know how to mount them.
0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:54.580
Droege, Sam
Right.
0:48:56.40 --> 0:48:56.510
DC (Guest)
Yeah.
0:48:54.90 --> 0:49:0.990
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You hit the nail on the head. I mean preparation is, is everything. It's gonna
save. You can save you hours of frustration and.
0:49:5.410 --> 0:49:5.830
DC (Guest)
Umm.
0:49:1.450 --> 0:49:6.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, that because I do just what you've described, that's what I do and because
it's.
0:49:6.210 --> 0:49:8.490
Droege, Sam
Do you manipulate the head mic at all?
0:49:10.990 --> 0:49:11.290
Droege, Sam
And like.
0:49:8.230 --> 0:49:27.720
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh yeah? Well, now it depends on certain groups. Yeah, I I wanna. I wanna be
able to see the pronotum and maybe the occipital Corina. So I spend depending
on the group that we're pinning, I might spend a minute or two under the scope
arranging things on that specimen before it. Then, as I think it.
0:49:28.300 --> 0:49:28.900
Droege, Sam
Wow.
0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:29.370
DC (Guest)
Yeah.
0:49:29.850 --> 0:49:31.20
Droege, Sam
Yeah, what about?
0:49:37.290 --> 0:49:37.560
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:49:39.310 --> 0:49:39.770
DC (Guest)
Yeah.
0:49:29.970 --> 0:49:41.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Because otherwise I otherwise you might spend an hour you'd down when he tried
to identify it, trying to see things. And so David, he's. Yeah, he's absolutely
right. He's learned the hard way.
0:49:43.310 --> 0:49:43.770
DC (Guest)
Indeed.
0:49:46.30 --> 0:49:46.670
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh that.
0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:48.250
Droege, Sam
Yeah. And or or you end up with a pile of of species, yeah.
0:49:47.770 --> 0:49:49.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Question. Question marks. Yeah.
0:49:57.290 --> 0:49:58.350
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I do. I do.
0:49:59.890 --> 0:50:0.240
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I do.
0:49:49.890 --> 0:50:2.920
Droege, Sam
So what about on osmia males? Do you pull out the the abdominal segment so that
the sternites are exposed? So maybe explain to people a little bit about that.
0:50:3.550 --> 0:50:5.210
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, yeah, with mail, osmi is.
0:50:6.160 --> 0:50:6.640
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm.
0:50:8.280 --> 0:50:9.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You have upside down.
0:50:11.80 --> 0:50:14.770
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And so you can see the underside of the abdomen and then I take a pin.
0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:19.620
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Could it be could be a zero or two or three or four depending on the size of
the?
0:50:20.410 --> 0:50:28.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Osnia specimen and carefully under the scope, insert it into the back end and
pull.
0:50:30.630 --> 0:50:33.350
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Do you have a little curved up tip to it?
0:50:38.330 --> 0:50:38.720
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:50:32.670 --> 0:50:41.950
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know, I I don't. And I used to do that, but then it gets snagged. And
sometimes things pull off and become detached. Or when you don't want them to.
0:50:42.740 --> 0:50:46.390
Mike Arduser (Guest)
So yeah, I mean that helped with osmia males.
0:50:46.730 --> 0:50:47.30
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:50:48.170 --> 0:50:48.680
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:50:47.630 --> 0:50:48.800
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It makes a big difference.
0:50:51.490 --> 0:50:52.130
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:50:53.190 --> 0:50:54.510
Droege, Sam
OK, well.
0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:58.70
Droege, Sam
I look forward to more of your work, David and.
0:50:59.260 --> 0:51:2.980
Droege, Sam
I'm I have to say a lazy planner.
0:51:4.760 --> 0:51:18.510
Droege, Sam
Or she's Sinner, Pinner, Pinner. And we're, we're, like, get a bunch of them
processing if some of them aren't identifiable, like ohh wait, so be it. We
just have we're just, you know, trucking through so many.
0:51:19.420 --> 0:51:33.610
Droege, Sam
And yeah, so we've had to, we've a bunch as species for that and then or again
something that we never do if it's species of species is you can relax them,
but that is another whole round of work.
0:51:34.650 --> 0:51:43.450
Droege, Sam
And Mike, you even pin if I recall, cause I know Rob, Rob, Gene, doesn't your
your student you even pin underneath the microscope, right?
0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:46.440
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
0:51:43.260 --> 0:52:8.970
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh I yeah, I did. Well, not bumblebees. I wouldn't. I mean, but most yeah.
Most things I do because in the process you're also it might be identifying it
at the same time you're pinning it. So it's kind of. But yeah, I do it under
the scope and partly because of my aging eyesight. But you know, it's some of
these little mail lazy blossoms or mail.
0:52:9.70 --> 0:52:14.980
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But it is. I mean Yikes, you have, you know, they're little tiny things, four
or five, 6 millimeters.
0:52:23.30 --> 0:52:23.340
Droege, Sam
Great.
0:52:16.130 --> 0:52:25.0
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And you want to make sure when you're just pulling the abdomen and the
genitalia, that you're not, things don't go flying and you lose what you're
trying to.
0:52:26.620 --> 0:52:30.650
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Wow. So I yeah, I just think it helps down the road, you know.
0:52:30.670 --> 0:52:39.600
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Now do you store prior to pinning? Are you throwing everything in your
Clorox creosol containers or are you putting them in the freezer?
0:52:40.450 --> 0:52:41.430
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I.
0:52:41.710 --> 0:52:45.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
I do both, but I I you know if I put stuff.
0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.490
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Uh, in in the glorious all relaxer.
0:52:55.260 --> 0:52:55.740
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:52:50.610 --> 0:52:57.300
Mike Arduser (Guest)
If I have any suspicion that it's something that I'm gonna need to look at,
genitalia or very dependables.
0:52:58.340 --> 0:52:59.190
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know what, I.
0:53:9.850 --> 0:53:10.140
Droege, Sam
Great.
0:53:0.260 --> 0:53:16.20
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And especially if I'm collecting in a new place or sampling in a new place that
I have never been before, everything goes in there, because who knows what
you're going to find, and that just postpones the pinning process a day or two,
but it makes it easy to me. It makes it easier.
0:53:17.340 --> 0:53:21.270
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The mandibles to spread in the genitalia, come out and.
0:53:22.530 --> 0:53:23.960
Droege, Sam
So the Clorox creosol.
0:53:25.190 --> 0:53:31.550
Droege, Sam
Uh, you know, sauna and makes it. It has.
0:53:32.750 --> 0:53:42.680
Droege, Sam
It not only recovers dried things, but also just makes pinning and pulling
things out in general, even though the specimen may be relatively fresh. Is
that what you're saying?
0:53:42.670 --> 0:53:45.500
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Correct, correct. And it sometimes and this.
0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:53.260
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:53:45.580 --> 0:53:58.370
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Work well with specimens you might distend the abdomen and the genitalia, but
then like an accordion, it goes. You know it's back. And So what? The caloric
area saw seems to do is basically.
0:53:59.980 --> 0:54:12.400
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Stop that from happening. It does. It does something to the muscles and the
other soft tissues. That makes it just much easier to pull stuff without it
disappearing again.
0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:16.950
Droege, Sam
Yep. So by equip is gone. Where do you get your Clorox creosol?
0:54:17.170 --> 0:54:19.880
Mike Arduser (Guest)
It's a good question, but Bioquell.
0:54:20.810 --> 0:54:21.910
Mike Arduser (Guest)
When they did sell it.
0:54:27.900 --> 0:54:28.270
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:54:23.670 --> 0:54:30.510
Mike Arduser (Guest)
They basically give you a lifetime supply because you don't need much and it
lasts for year. It last for years and.
0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:32.710
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You know.
0:54:36.60 --> 0:54:36.380
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:45.560
Mike Arduser (Guest)
But I, but I don't know where to get it now. I I really don't. But other people
have used in the old days phenol, so anything that prevents mold and bacteria
growth that's also part of the.
0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:48.750
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Helpful thing that work resolve does it.
0:54:49.580 --> 0:54:53.570
Mike Arduser (Guest)
You can leave stuff in that relaxer for weeks and months on end, and it doesn't
get.
0:54:54.260 --> 0:54:55.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Covered with mold.
0:54:57.380 --> 0:54:58.450
Droege, Sam
Yep. Good.
0:55:0.290 --> 0:55:6.350
Droege, Sam
And cleared. We have other questions or anything here or David, do you have
more to add or ask about?
0:55:7.960 --> 0:55:10.650
DC (Guest)
Well, I do have that. The second one that was in my.
0:55:12.50 --> 0:55:14.820
DC (Guest)
Chat item which is about a serotina.
0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:16.770
DC (Guest)
If you click on that one.
0:55:17.510 --> 0:55:19.330
DC (Guest)
Yeah, it's it's a photo.
0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:24.20
Droege, Sam
OK. Is that a picture? Is there a picture in there too? OK, alright. Let me go
to the chat.
0:55:25.90 --> 0:55:26.240
Droege, Sam
And.
0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:29.400
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:55:30.940 --> 0:55:32.880
Droege, Sam
I for some reason I'm not.
0:55:33.620 --> 0:55:35.820
Droege, Sam
Oh, here, this, this one, OK.
0:55:35.140 --> 0:55:36.210
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, there you go.
0:55:33.860 --> 0:55:36.380
DC (Guest)
It's got two lengths. There you go. That one, that one.
0:55:39.910 --> 0:55:41.580
Droege, Sam
And this would be in Oregon 1, right?
0:55:42.510 --> 0:55:45.570
DC (Guest)
No, this is that I was in Pennsylvania. So this is from there.
0:55:45.10 --> 0:55:49.300
Droege, Sam
Ohhh, alright, that's our skill set. Ohh I have it says I have to log in.
0:55:49.590 --> 0:55:52.650
DC (Guest)
Around in it. Let's see. I don't know why that is.
0:55:53.380 --> 0:55:53.960
Droege, Sam
And.
0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:54.730
DC (Guest)
Uh.
0:55:55.730 --> 0:55:56.630
Droege, Sam
Well, it's.
0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:57.230
DC (Guest)
OK.
0:55:57.960 --> 0:55:58.450
DC (Guest)
So be it.
0:55:57.520 --> 0:55:59.630
Droege, Sam
I don't know if it will OK.
0:56:1.260 --> 0:56:2.730
DC (Guest)
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
0:56:1.100 --> 0:56:4.640
Droege, Sam
I doubt I'm not on SmugMug, so yeah.
0:56:12.540 --> 0:56:12.970
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:56:4.20 --> 0:56:14.590
DC (Guest)
No, no, I don't know why that is. It shouldn't. I can possibly fix that in a
minute. Because what's interesting about it to me, can I share my screen by
chance?
0:56:14.780 --> 0:56:15.890
Droege, Sam
Uh where?
0:56:18.0 --> 0:56:18.350
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:56:15.820 --> 0:56:20.670
Maffei, Clare J
I think you should be able to Umm here. I'll just make you a presenter just in
case.
0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:25.620
DC (Guest)
OK, let me see how that works. I'm looking for the one called request control.
0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:27.210
DC (Guest)
And hoping that.
0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:30.130
Maffei, Clare J
There.
0:56:26.450 --> 0:56:38.840
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Well, we have. We have a one or two days of Serotonina just eastern
Serotonina to really drill in on the nuance of of splitting those apart.
0:56:39.350 --> 0:56:40.760
Maffei, Clare J
Maybe we'll do that next.
0:56:41.380 --> 0:56:41.890
Droege, Sam
We could.
0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:42.600
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
0:56:41.890 --> 0:56:43.260
DC (Guest)
That would be really cool.
0:56:42.40 --> 0:56:44.390
Maffei, Clare J
Did we? Yeah. Did we make a decision for what's next?
0:56:43.210 --> 0:56:45.20
Droege, Sam
We can. We can see if.
0:56:44.730 --> 0:56:45.830
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That's a good idea, Claire.
0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:45.970
Maffei, Clare J
You have notes.
0:56:46.350 --> 0:56:48.200
Droege, Sam
If Sarah is available.
0:56:50.430 --> 0:56:51.200
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah, that'd be cool.
0:56:50.750 --> 0:56:53.870
DC (Guest)
OK, I don't see a request control, Claire, so.
0:56:53.980 --> 0:57:0.10
Maffei, Clare J
Ohh OK I just made you a presenter. Is there any? Like there's no share up in
like the upper right for you it now.
0:57:0.10 --> 0:57:3.860
DC (Guest)
Upper right. There might well be. Let's see, there's these little.
0:57:2.570 --> 0:57:3.970
Maffei, Clare J
See share screen or something.
0:57:5.470 --> 0:57:5.720
DC (Guest)
Uh.
0:57:7.420 --> 0:57:7.840
DC (Guest)
OK.
0:57:7.230 --> 0:57:8.70
Maffei, Clare J
And that's probably help.
0:57:4.680 --> 0:57:8.560
Droege, Sam
Oh wait, I'm sharing something to stop sharing. OK, Mario.
0:57:8.800 --> 0:57:12.170
DC (Guest)
Yeah, it probably does. OK, let's see. You're a presenter.
0:57:17.20 --> 0:57:17.330
Maffei, Clare J
No.
0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:17.550
DC (Guest)
I can share learn more. Am I sharing already? No.
0:57:17.590 --> 0:57:18.940
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Yep.
0:57:18.810 --> 0:57:19.390
DC (Guest)
OK.
0:57:18.630 --> 0:57:20.40
Maffei, Clare J
But you should have the power to.
0:57:21.190 --> 0:57:22.880
DC (Guest)
If I can figure it out.
0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:24.550
DC (Guest)
Damn.
0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:30.80
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
0:57:26.820 --> 0:57:30.470
DC (Guest)
I wish you guys would do zoom. You know, I'd so familiar with it.
0:57:31.260 --> 0:57:31.800
DC (Guest)
Uh.
0:57:30.20 --> 0:57:32.150
Droege, Sam
Umm, government doesn't.
0:57:31.450 --> 0:57:34.580
Maffei, Clare J
I will say it is 2:00 o'clock on the dot. I wasn't paying attention.
0:57:35.190 --> 0:57:35.710
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:57:36.660 --> 0:57:38.30
Maffei, Clare J
So maybe next time.
0:57:39.780 --> 0:57:40.160
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
0:57:49.50 --> 0:57:49.410
Droege, Sam
Umm.
0:57:52.780 --> 0:57:53.120
Droege, Sam
Mm-hmm.
0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:55.750
DC (Guest)
OK, well, well, you know, I can send this. I can send this you later. Because
what's interesting about it is it's one of these classic things where I have
two possible images on discover life and they look almost identical to me. And
then I make a really clean photograph of T7 and it doesn't look like either
picture. So.
0:57:55.970 --> 0:57:56.320
Droege, Sam
Hmm.
0:57:56.850 --> 0:57:58.240
DC (Guest)
This is this is yeah.
0:57:57.330 --> 0:58:0.320
Droege, Sam
Yeah, tea. It's a male, I presume, right?
0:58:5.720 --> 0:58:6.350
Droege, Sam
Really.
0:58:5.930 --> 0:58:6.370
Maffei, Clare J
OK.
0:58:0.340 --> 0:58:7.960
DC (Guest)
Yes it is. It is. And I sent Claire. I sent you the the actual image in an
e-mail yesterday. So.
0:58:7.430 --> 0:58:16.740
Droege, Sam
Really, actually, we we should be able to just from an image of the flange on
T7 tell you pretty sure what it is.
0:58:17.710 --> 0:58:19.370
DC (Guest)
That'd be fantastic. Yeah. Look.
0:58:24.820 --> 0:58:25.890
DC (Guest)
To OK.
0:58:17.860 --> 0:58:26.70
Droege, Sam
So can you click? Can you click the share? See on on my screen it's up next to
the leave button, but is it not on yours?
0:58:26.770 --> 0:58:28.350
DC (Guest)
I see. I just.
0:58:27.340 --> 0:58:28.470
Droege, Sam
At the upper right corner.
0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:33.410
DC (Guest)
Upper right corner. Gosh darn it, there's nothing in my upper right corner.
0:58:33.370 --> 0:58:34.330
Droege, Sam
Uh hmm.
0:58:35.420 --> 0:58:35.840
Droege, Sam
OK.
0:58:34.260 --> 0:58:38.520
DC (Guest)
It's blank. I'm awesome, but clear if you have your e-mail, it's in your
e-mail.
0:58:42.580 --> 0:58:49.940
Maffei, Clare J
I think we should definitely get to that, and I also I'm gonna be mindful of
the.
0:58:52.730 --> 0:58:55.340
Maffei, Clare J
Let's see if I can open this really quick, but.
0:58:54.180 --> 0:58:56.570
DC (Guest)
Yeah, it's fine. It's far far from urgent.
0:58:59.740 --> 0:59:1.450
Maffei, Clare J
I want to make it be able make it bigger.
0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:3.30
Droege, Sam
Well, it might be it. I. It sounds fun to me because.
0:59:2.670 --> 0:59:3.350
Maffei, Clare J
It does sound.
0:59:10.150 --> 0:59:10.460
Maffei, Clare J
Yeah.
0:59:3.40 --> 0:59:17.690
DC (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah. To me it is too. And I'm really interested in Sarah Tina because
I've looked at it for the Western species, which aren't represented in the key.
And the key is really spare. It doesn't have a lot. There you go, OK.
0:59:23.510 --> 0:59:25.770
Droege, Sam
Umm is that a mail?
0:59:27.300 --> 0:59:30.800
DC (Guest)
Oh God, I hope so. It has a really big triangular.
0:59:30.260 --> 0:59:31.200
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Umm yeah.
0:59:31.410 --> 0:59:32.880
DC (Guest)
Uh, you know femur.
0:59:32.10 --> 0:59:33.340
Droege, Sam
Yeah. Ohh there's the.
0:59:34.530 --> 0:59:35.450
Droege, Sam
Right. OK.
0:59:36.380 --> 0:59:36.860
Droege, Sam
Well.
0:59:38.80 --> 0:59:40.60
Droege, Sam
So it's not strenuous.
0:59:41.50 --> 0:59:43.650
Droege, Sam
And I would say it's also not dupla.
0:59:45.260 --> 0:59:45.700
Droege, Sam
And.
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DC (Guest)
OK, calcarata.
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Droege, Sam
Pardon.
0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:49.430
DC (Guest)
Khakhar karada.
0:59:53.330 --> 0:59:53.840
DC (Guest)
Yeah.
0:59:48.900 --> 0:59:56.750
Droege, Sam
Well, could be micmac me or Cal cow calcarata, I would say I would lean more
towards calcarata. What about you, Mike?
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah, I guess so likes it. It's be nice to have a slightly different view, but
I mean it looks it it, it looks like it's several times wider than long these
easily. So that's where it would put it calculated.
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DC (Guest)
Yeah. What I'm hoping for is that either one of you will say, you idiot, it's
so obvious.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well.
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Droege, Sam
Ohh no.
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Maffei, Clare J
Ah.
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DC (Guest)
Like, did you? Do you see why those pictures don't or the descriptions don't
really equate to what I'm looking at.
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Droege, Sam
I would say with serotonin of it's a you know, you gotta look at a lot of
specimens and.
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DC (Guest)
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, true.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Well, if it's, you know, David, if it's calcarata, I mean the, the, the hind
femur is gonna have this big huge tooth sticking out and make mochi does.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Oh oh, there. Well, there you go. There you go.
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Droege, Sam
No.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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DC (Guest)
Yeah, yeah. Which is, which is what it is. It has a huge symmetrical tooth.
Yeah. OK, if that character gets me there, then now I know.
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Droege, Sam
It so it has the the just to be sure it has the on the femur. It's a triangular
pointy thing with a greatest width being in the center of the female, right?
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
What?
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Droege, Sam
OK. Yeah.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
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DC (Guest)
Yeah, it's symmetrical. Yeah. Yeah, I I think that character is solid. Cool.
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Droege, Sam
Yeah, definitely, definitely calcarata. The other one that has that is at the
opposite pole is strenuous, has that, first of all, it's very small, but you
can get weirdly, as we spoke of weirdly small call paradas, but the flange is
minute. It's basically as wide as it is long.
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DC (Guest)
OK.
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DC (Guest)
Helpful. Yeah, good.
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Droege, Sam
Really obvious. Yeah. So calcarata check.
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DC (Guest)
OK.
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Droege, Sam
Then you get into like Calcarata versus Mick Mackey females. Now we have
something to talk about.
1:1:49.680 --> 1:2:2.920
Droege, Sam
But the whole group is a lot of fun and I, you know, it's the kind of thing.
It's fun now that I've looked at probably 20,000 specimens, and I'm like, I
think I got this so.
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Droege, Sam
But I keep saying that.
1:2:6.750 --> 1:2:7.860
Droege, Sam
It then.
1:2:8.960 --> 1:2:12.890
Droege, Sam
Then Santa Rehan keeps coming up with new species.
1:2:13.620 --> 1:2:21.430
Droege, Sam
So or or saying well you know there Floridana could be up there in Maryland.
I've got some records with DNA on them and like no.
1:2:23.220 --> 1:2:23.420
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Yeah.
1:2:22.860 --> 1:2:29.860
Droege, Sam
And it's not necessarily the color that Mitchell says. So floridana is my
mystery one right now just because.
1:2:29.100 --> 1:2:31.170
Mike Arduser (Guest)
That showed showed up in southern Illinois.
1:2:32.680 --> 1:2:32.940
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Sorry.
1:2:31.880 --> 1:2:38.380
Droege, Sam
Yeah, but how did you tell it from the long white mark on the female or what?
1:2:38.860 --> 1:2:42.930
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Ohh, there were several things because I think they're both sexes the.
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Droege, Sam
Umm.
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Droege, Sam
No. OK.
1:2:43.10 --> 1:2:48.920
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Very, it was. And it these were incredibly bright blue. I mean, they just, like
jumped like, wow.
1:2:53.190 --> 1:2:53.680
Mike Arduser (Guest)
The dark.
1:2:54.570 --> 1:2:56.220
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Darker wings, yeah.
1:2:51.410 --> 1:3:11.40
Droege, Sam
OK. Well, that's good. That's that's something I see in the Deep South. Yeah, I
see it in the Deep South. And then they're supposed to be these ones that are
in the Mid-Atlantic. And I'm like, I don't really, you know, I'm not really
seeing anything that strikes me that way. And then if course, I start imagining
I see them so.
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Droege, Sam
Alright, well.
1:3:15.190 --> 1:3:21.160
Droege, Sam
This was fun. And so, yeah, maybe we can. We can do a someone's mystery.
1:3:22.680 --> 1:3:31.50
Droege, Sam
Picture each time and then get into the endless. We'll be here for years. I
mean, really, how could we not?
1:3:31.130 --> 1:3:33.640
Maffei, Clare J
Great. So that was three months on Mega Kylie.
1:3:34.290 --> 1:3:34.700
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
1:3:36.400 --> 1:3:37.120
Droege, Sam
All right.
1:3:36.300 --> 1:3:37.130
Mike Arduser (Guest)
And we've ever since.
1:3:37.330 --> 1:3:39.980
Maffei, Clare J
OK. Well, I'll wrap up the recording.
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Maffei, Clare J
And.
1:3:42.160 --> 1:3:42.850
Mike Arduser (Guest)
Thank you, Claire.
1:3:43.240 --> 1:3:43.630
Droege, Sam
Yeah.
1:3:43.700 --> 1:3:44.40
DC (Guest)
And.
1:3:43.250 --> 1:3:45.170
Maffei, Clare J
What do we decide? What we're starting next week?
1:3:47.130 --> 1:3:59.380
Droege, Sam
Umm well, I could e-mail Sandra and she may not be available at the drop of the
hat, but she'd be a good person to start off that whole serotonina conversation
and have her involved.
1:4:1.120 --> 1:4:1.620
Droege, Sam
And.
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Maffei, Clare J
Ohh no, I think we decided we were gonna keep going with the family.
1:4:4.950 --> 1:4:6.610
Maffei, Clare J
Isn't that the note I made last time?
1:4:8.50 --> 1:4:10.150
Droege, Sam
I don't know well with hop lydis.
1:4:9.980 --> 1:4:14.480
Maffei, Clare J
You can do. No. Yeah, like we would just keep going with PM Mega calladine
just.
1:4:15.970 --> 1:4:19.430
Maffei, Clare J
Day of the theme, but we can do whatever we want.
1:4:22.840 --> 1:4:23.270
Maffei, Clare J
OK.
1:4:20.260 --> 1:4:23.590
Droege, Sam
Alright, so maybe we'll discuss or something.
1:4:24.900 --> 1:4:25.400
Droege, Sam
And then.
1:4:29.660 --> 1:4:30.580
Droege, Sam
Yeah. No, totally.
1:4:24.590 --> 1:4:31.730
DC (Guest)
And can I ask a I'm sorry, Sam, once you're done, can I talk to Mike for a
second? As long as we're on the call, that'd be great.
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Droege, Sam
OK.
1:4:31.530 --> 1:4:32.980
Maffei, Clare J
All right, I'm stopping the recording.
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Mike Arduser (Guest)
Good. Thanks very much, Claire.